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#1 Kay

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 03:36 PM

After many years I am working on getting off Effexor (Venlafaxine) XR 75mg. Four days ago I switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to Venlafaxine 75mg, and am feeling some withdrawal symptoms! Emotionally upset, and constipation and gas. Should I be splitting this non-extended tablet and taking it every 12 hours? If anyone knows, please let me know. 

 

I am planning to taper very slowly, in small increments. Will see how it goes.

 

Also, seven years ago I began developing a neck spasm, which developed and was diagnosed as Cervical Dystonia, also called Spastic Torticollis. It is painful and debilitating. Also have at this point soreness in my neck muscles, and spine, these symptoms have developed since the past year of not sleeping well (another symptom). Only in recent months I began to find that the drug may have caused this condition.


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


#2 SquirrellyGirl

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 04:23 PM

Hi Kay - welcome to SA!  Thank you for filling out your signature block!  Could you fill us in on which supplements you are taking?

 

It is very common for people to have symptoms rise up from switching from one version of a drug to another (dry to liquid as well), from switching from name brand to generic, from one generic to another, etc.  May I ask why you switched to the non-extended release version?

 

Yes, the regular version should be taken twice a day due to the relatively short half life of Effexor.

 

I am tapering venlafaxine myself.  At SA we recommend a 10% taper, so it is good that you have come here before beginning. You may have already seen this but here is a thread on tapering Effexor:

 

Tips for tapering off Effexor (venlafaxine)

 

Preparing to taper

 

I am on a generic that is the extended release with little balls inside the capsules.  I find this easier to deal with than the regular release tablets.  A lot of us find it easiest to get the milligram jeweler's scale and weigh doses in addition to counting beads.  With the tablets, you would either have to weigh crumbs which means breaking the tablets down, or you can make a liquid from the tablet and use an oral syringe.  I'll be doing the bead counting/weighing until it gets difficult to get an accurate weight, and then likely switch to the immediate release and make a liquid.  It's going to take effort no matter which way you go at it, but worth it to save your nervous system from the ravages of withdrawal!

 

Using a digital scale to measure doses

Counting beads in a capsule versus weighing

How to make a liquid from tablets or capsules

 

Use your thread as a place to document your journey.  If you bookmark it, you'll be able to find it more easily.  You can also click "Follow" above, and you will will be notified of any responses to your thread.  

 

You will find all kinds of knowledgeable guidance and support here, so I'm very glad that you found SA!

 

SG

 

 

 

 


Prozac 1995-1999, don't remember the dosage; Wellbutrin 1999-2002? Don't remember dosage though it was in the 300 mgs range
Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history.  Did fast taper, don't remember details, around August 2014.
Took Sam-E 200 mg AM and 500 mg L-tryptophan PM Sept.2014 to January 2015

Doing poorly, put on Viibryd 10 mg for 1 wk, 20 mg for several days, BAD ANXIETY, fast taper to 0 in a week; back on Sam-E 200 mg AM and L-tryptophan 500 mg PM until April 10, 2015; doing very badly, put on Remeron 7.5 mg start April 15-April 30, 2015; Increased Remeron from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly,

June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened!  On p-doc's orders went up to 75 mg Effexor June 11-12, then back to 37.5 mg when I realized all the hell I had been through before was WD from Effexor!  Joined SA and began tapering both too soon one month later.

8/22/15: Effexor to 30.75 mg, Remeron to 22 mg. 9/9/15 Effexor 30 mg/Remeron 21 mg. 9/24/15: Remeron 19 mg. 10/25/16: Remeron 17 mg. 11/14/15:  Effexor 28.5 mg 12/2/15: Remeron 16 mg. 12/5/15: Effexor 28.1 mg. 12/17/15: Remeron 15 mg. 1/26/16: Remeron 14 mg. 3/22/16, Remeron 13.5 mg and Effexor 25.9 mg (had nudged it down by fraction of a mg since Dec).  4/28/16: Remeron 13 mg, Effexor 25.5 mg.  5/21/16: Remeron 12 mg, Effexor 24.75 mg.  6/17/16, Effexor 23.25 mg, Remeron 11.6 mg. 7/12/16:  Remeron 11 mg, Effexor 22.12 mg.  9/22/16:  Effexor 19.5 mg, Remeron 9 mg.  As of 4/12/17:  Effexor 12.4 mg  Remeron 5.9 mg.

 

My intro: http://survivinganti...e-2#entry196679

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.


#3 SquirrellyGirl

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 04:27 PM

Oh, I meant to add that muscular-skeletal issues are common with these drugs.  Surf around the Symptoms & Self-Care forum and you will find that out!  I have in hind-sight realized that I have had a lot of odd side effects from Effexor that I never made the connection on, and Peter Breggin calls that "spellbinding," not seeing the negatives of the drug as being caused by the drug.  I had a bad, stabbing pain just under the edge of my rib-cage on the right side that I've seen others mention, as well as horrible plantar fasciitis that lasted years, clumsiness (poor hand control), bruxism, fidgeting, etc. so it does not surprise me that you think your neck issue is related to the drug!

 

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Prozac 1995-1999, don't remember the dosage; Wellbutrin 1999-2002? Don't remember dosage though it was in the 300 mgs range
Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history.  Did fast taper, don't remember details, around August 2014.
Took Sam-E 200 mg AM and 500 mg L-tryptophan PM Sept.2014 to January 2015

Doing poorly, put on Viibryd 10 mg for 1 wk, 20 mg for several days, BAD ANXIETY, fast taper to 0 in a week; back on Sam-E 200 mg AM and L-tryptophan 500 mg PM until April 10, 2015; doing very badly, put on Remeron 7.5 mg start April 15-April 30, 2015; Increased Remeron from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly,

June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened!  On p-doc's orders went up to 75 mg Effexor June 11-12, then back to 37.5 mg when I realized all the hell I had been through before was WD from Effexor!  Joined SA and began tapering both too soon one month later.

8/22/15: Effexor to 30.75 mg, Remeron to 22 mg. 9/9/15 Effexor 30 mg/Remeron 21 mg. 9/24/15: Remeron 19 mg. 10/25/16: Remeron 17 mg. 11/14/15:  Effexor 28.5 mg 12/2/15: Remeron 16 mg. 12/5/15: Effexor 28.1 mg. 12/17/15: Remeron 15 mg. 1/26/16: Remeron 14 mg. 3/22/16, Remeron 13.5 mg and Effexor 25.9 mg (had nudged it down by fraction of a mg since Dec).  4/28/16: Remeron 13 mg, Effexor 25.5 mg.  5/21/16: Remeron 12 mg, Effexor 24.75 mg.  6/17/16, Effexor 23.25 mg, Remeron 11.6 mg. 7/12/16:  Remeron 11 mg, Effexor 22.12 mg.  9/22/16:  Effexor 19.5 mg, Remeron 9 mg.  As of 4/12/17:  Effexor 12.4 mg  Remeron 5.9 mg.

 

My intro: http://survivinganti...e-2#entry196679

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.


#4 ChessieCat

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 04:41 PM

Hi Kay,

 

Welcome to SA from me too.  The members here are very supportive and encouraging and there is a wealth of information here too.

 

You might find these helpful as well:

 

Introduction to AD Withdrawal Syndrome

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

Dr Joseph Glenmullen's Symptoms Checklist

 

Brain Remodelling (Rhi's Description of Brain Healing)


Video:  Healing From Antidepressants - Patterns of Recovery

 

It's great that you have found SA now so you can taper the recommended way.  Please ask questions here in your Intro/Update topic.  It's also helpful if you update your signature with the date and dose change as you go so that your drug history remains current and can be seen at a glance.


Podcasts:    Let's Talk Withdrawal

 

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Pristiq:  50mg mid 2012, 100mg beg 2014 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)     Current:  Pristiq 25mg (from 21 April 2017)

 

Tapering history & graph

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

 

I've still got a way to go ... but I've already come a long way!!!

 

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.


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Posted 25 April 2016 - 06:22 PM

Hi Kay......I am pretty new here but a big welcome...it is a wonderful community. I think you are doing it in completely the right way 

by going slowly. I came off too fast and the withdrawal has become protracted. If I had come across this site earlier it would have 

been a different story but am grateful to have found it now. The very best to you in your journey to free yourself from Effexor. 


Anti Depressants for  25 years. Valium between 2006 to 7 tapered off over a month without too bad withdrawals.

For last 15 years 150 mg of Effexor and 30 mg of Mirtazapine. Occasional short term benzo use without habituation.

March 2015 stopped Effexor after rapid taper. 6 weeks. 

One month fluoxetine June 2015...stopped CT July 2015.

October 2013 to December 2015 Zopiclone 15 mg at night,

Dec 2015 to Early March 2016 Lyrica 75 mg at night. 

Stopped too quickly as  adverse side effects.

January to May 2016 tapered Zopiclone to 7.5mg 

Crossed over to Valium and now ..March 28th 2017 Benzo Free.

Also on 30 mg Mirtazapine and holding until have finished Benzo taper.

IN protracted WD from Effexor.

 


#6 KarenB

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 09:53 PM

Hello Kay - just popping in here to say welcome from another effexor taperer.  You're getting all the good info before you begin, so the odds are on your side. 

 

Welcome to s/a,

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2010 May Fluoxetine 20mg. Raging mostly stops, become more functional.
2011 February Escitalopram 10mg (sudden switch). 2012 January Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Early June Feeling great, decide to taper. Doc advises alternate days 20mg/10mg for 4 weeks.  Late June Steady. Drop to 10mg daily. Early July Not coping, raging, flu symptoms, shaky, anxious, low, spaced-out, self-destructive.  Mid July Return to alternate days 20mg/10mg - minimal improvement. Early August Return to full dose 20mg. Lost.
2014 February Switch to Venlafaxine. (First reduced Esc. to 10mg/day for a week) Feb-April Lost, 'light' self-harm, exhausted.
April Increase Ven. to 150mg/day. Dizzy. July 75mg twice a day to improve dizziness. Deep depression remains.  2015 Feb Vigilant dose spacing partially eases dizziness. Mar Switch to Effexor 75mg 2x/day. May Cut 10% to 135mg - bad w/d 2 mths, held 1 mth.  Aug 1.3% cut - bad 1mth, held 1mth. Oct 4 wkly 0.4% cuts held 6 weeks. Jan 2016 2 wkly 0.4% cuts. 8 month hold. Sept Wkly cuts: 0.5%, 3 1% cuts.  Oct 4 wkly 1% cuts, hold 3-4 weeks.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamins E & C, magnesium, iron, MSM, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.  My story of healing: ContinuedHealing

***I am not a doctor or counselor; please do your own research and be prepared to take responsibility for decisions you make.*** 

           'The possibility of renewal exists so long as life exists.'  Dr Gabor Mate.


#7 Kay

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 12:31 PM

Thanks very much to everyone for posting welcomes here. I am grateful for your responses, and the information and resources you have listed.

 

I have started on the supplements sold at theroadback program, and following their instructions have switched over to the non-release form of Venlafaxine. Today is day six of making that switch. I have felt some reaction (as mentioned in my previous post) but today am feeling fine. 

 

I plan to stay on this dosage for four weeks, then to try stepping down to 65mg. I will let you know how it goes.  :unsure:

 

Thanks again to everyone who posted.


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


#8 Petunia

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 03:24 AM

Hi Kay,

When you say you have switched to the non-release form, do you mean you are now taking instant release? Instant release Venlafaxine is usually taken 2 or 3 times a day due to its shorter half life. Have you divided your dose since switching?

 

Taking this form 2 or 3 times a day will help it to stay stable in your blood, will keep your nervous system stable and help avoid symptoms.

 

Please see: Tips for tapering off Effexor (venlafaxine)  especially the section on how to taper instant release Effexor (venlafaxine)

 

It would be great if you let us know you are doing this.

 

Petunia.


I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

 

My Introduction Thread

 

Full Drug and Withdrawal History

 

Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety)

Xanax PRN

Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes animal25.gif

 

Supplements which seem to help:  High doses of Vitamin C, Magnesium, Garlic and Ginger.  Taurine, Vit D3, L-Theanine and Inositol. I'm one of the rare people who react badly to fish oil.

 

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

 

VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from?



VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made?



VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes?



VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects?

VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes

 

 

 


#9 Kay

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 01:15 PM

Hello Petunia!

 

i appreciate your post. I'm concerned, I don't want to alienate other group members because I've been following theroadback program. 

 

Today, 4pm my neck is really spasming and hurting. Those are my two big health issues the neck condition and not getting good sleep, which has been ongoing for about a year now. Over the months without good sleep my neck has become more painful.

 

I am dividing the dosages, taking one in the morning and the other in the evening.  :mellow:


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


#10 JanCarol

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Posted 01 May 2016 - 10:12 AM

Hey Kay - welcome!
 

You won't alienate anyone by following TheRoadBack stuff.  It's your body, and it's your money.  As long as you don't try to sell it to the rest of us!  I am going to discuss some differences between SA and TheRoadBack, though.  

 

We have not found many who have had success with it, we have had more than a few who came here in a mess because of it.  The supplements are expensive multivitamin / minerals, coupled with shotgun approach one-size-fits-all amino acids.  While vitamins, minerals, and aminos have their place in recovery, we are more cautious at SA.  Vitamins can be overstimulating, and aminos - different conditions warrant different aminos at different times of day - it's individual (not one size fits all).  Additionally, if any of the supplements contain 5HtP or Tryptophan, it could be destabilising and cause more problems instead of reduction of symptoms (I'm sorry, I haven't looked at the supplements for this program for years).

 

For one thing, I'm baffled by the switch to immediate release.  And they didn't tell you to take it multiple times per day?  This emphasizes to me that they don't understand how withdrawal works, and they do not understand "harm reduction."  As long as they get paid, they are willing to experiment on you just as much as the doctors did.  They are preying on the pain that so many people feel when they try to get off the drugs.  This sort of advice comes from people who believe that "doing something" has to be better than "doing nothing," even if it gets you into trouble.

 

At SA, we practice Harm Reduction:  minimizing symptoms so that your life is disrupted by withdrawal as little as possible.

 

We can offer you our best suggestions here, but it may conflict with what you are being told by TheRoadBack.  You are welcome to take our suggestions (like Petunia's suggestion that regular Effexor dose be split and taken 2-3 times a day) and consider them against TheRoadBack.  Everyone is different.  Maybe on some issues, you will find their advice fits you better, but on other issues, our advice will make more sense or feel better for you.  It's up to you to decide.

 

The same goes for doctors - most doctors do not understand withdrawal, especially not protracted withdrawal.  So sometimes what you hear on SA is not what your doctor is telling you.  It's up to you to decide what is best for you, whether it is TheRoadBack, your doctor, or the Harm Reduction protocols here at SA.  Or maybe finding your own path in the middle of these.

 

We do not have any profit motive, we are all volunteers here - survivors who want to help others do it better than we did.  We also don't want to make your decisions for you - taking responsibility for your own health and decisions (as opposed to just surrendering your power to the doctors' "standard of care" protocols) is a key piece to your healing.

 

Another thing which you may find helpful, is this:  if you wish to taper off the drugs, it is important to address the reason you went on them in the first place.  You will need to replace the drug with other coping mechanisms, other strategies, other techniques.  It is hard work - there is no easy path!  But here are some tools to help you:

 

Non Drug Techniques for Coping with Emotional Symptoms

 

and some descriptions of withdrawal, and how to prepare for it:

Healing from Antidepressants: Patterns of Recovery (Toxic Antidepressants)

 

Psych Central 6 Ways to Prepare for Antidepressant Withdrawal

 

Welcome to SA!  I hope we can be helpful to you!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At SA, we practice Harm Reduction:  minimizing symptoms so that your life is disrupted by withdrawal as little as possible.


"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.

 

Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!


#11 JanCarol

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Posted 01 May 2016 - 10:14 AM

PS - musculo-skeletal problems can be from a magnesium deficiency, and fish oil can help with inflammation and pain.  

 

Magnesium and Omega-3 fish oil

 

Epsom Salts - Another Way to Relax with Magnesium


"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.

 

Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!


#12 Kay

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Posted 17 May 2016 - 10:31 AM

My symptoms are worse, beginning yesterday, real bad night of sleep, and neck spasm continues to be more active today, body pain. I tapered off theroadback supplements, ending 10 days ago...wondering if that might have something to do with it. I took some more of the supplements today to see if it might help...haven't noticed any real improvement... Have been on the Venlafaxine 75mg for several weeks now, and planning to reduce to 70mg in 4 days. Just feeling miserable, in pain today, and sleep deprived. My neck is quite sore, and the spasm continues to pull.


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


#13 KarenB

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Posted 17 May 2016 - 02:56 PM

Hello Kay,

 

It could easily just be a 'wave' of symptoms, as this is the pattern of healing:  The Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilsation.  

 

I would suggest continuing to hold until you feel more stabilsed again, especially as you have just made changes with your supplements.  See Keep it Simple, Keep it Slow, Keep it Stable.

 

Did you start magnesium or fish oil yet?  They do help some people quite a lot. 

 

Karen


2010 May Fluoxetine 20mg. Raging mostly stops, become more functional.
2011 February Escitalopram 10mg (sudden switch). 2012 January Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Early June Feeling great, decide to taper. Doc advises alternate days 20mg/10mg for 4 weeks.  Late June Steady. Drop to 10mg daily. Early July Not coping, raging, flu symptoms, shaky, anxious, low, spaced-out, self-destructive.  Mid July Return to alternate days 20mg/10mg - minimal improvement. Early August Return to full dose 20mg. Lost.
2014 February Switch to Venlafaxine. (First reduced Esc. to 10mg/day for a week) Feb-April Lost, 'light' self-harm, exhausted.
April Increase Ven. to 150mg/day. Dizzy. July 75mg twice a day to improve dizziness. Deep depression remains.  2015 Feb Vigilant dose spacing partially eases dizziness. Mar Switch to Effexor 75mg 2x/day. May Cut 10% to 135mg - bad w/d 2 mths, held 1 mth.  Aug 1.3% cut - bad 1mth, held 1mth. Oct 4 wkly 0.4% cuts held 6 weeks. Jan 2016 2 wkly 0.4% cuts. 8 month hold. Sept Wkly cuts: 0.5%, 3 1% cuts.  Oct 4 wkly 1% cuts, hold 3-4 weeks.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamins E & C, magnesium, iron, MSM, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.  My story of healing: ContinuedHealing

***I am not a doctor or counselor; please do your own research and be prepared to take responsibility for decisions you make.*** 

           'The possibility of renewal exists so long as life exists.'  Dr Gabor Mate.


#14 Kay

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Posted 18 May 2016 - 03:10 PM

Thanks so much Karen.

 

I do put magnesium in water on my skin several times a week. 

 

Interestingly, this morning I took two Omega 3 fish oil gel caps, and it very noticeably reduced the spasm in my neck. This is huge, I've never experienced anything reducing it before. I ordered some more high quality omega 3 algae caps from a local naturopath here today. So definitely planning to continue taking the omega 3!!!

 

And feeling better today! Thanks again.

 

Kay


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


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Posted 20 May 2016 - 07:42 AM

Thanks so much Karen.

 

I do put magnesium in water on my skin several times a week. 

 

Interestingly, this morning I took two Omega 3 fish oil gel caps, and it very noticeably reduced the spasm in my neck. This is huge, I've never experienced anything reducing it before. I ordered some more high quality omega 3 algae caps from a local naturopath here today. So definitely planning to continue taking the omega 3!!!

 

And feeling better today! Thanks again.

 

Kay

Hi Kay, I tapered off Effexor, it can be rough but it can be done, fish oils helped me and organic  wheat grass and I also took vit c and vit d, I was on Effexor for only two years. My only advice to you is take one day at a time and keep going.


I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years.
Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16

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Posted 20 May 2016 - 09:53 AM

Thanks dowdaller. I don't even remember when exactly I started taking the Effexor XR, over 10 years as best as I can remember. It's scary to be working on this. Is it normal for people who aren't reducing the med to have side effects? At this point I haven't slept well in a year, have had the dystonia (neck spasm) for seven years (which has become more painful due to lack of sleep) and also body aches. 

 

I'm resuming taking some of theroadback supplements, in order to support transitioning tomorrow to 70mg from 75mg. Hoping I won't get too messed up. We'll see...

 

I am having quite a few superfood supplements in smoothies every morning, including right now Barley Grass and a # of others. 

 

Yes one day at a time, keep it simple, keep it safe, keep it stable...

 

Thanks to everyone, grateful for this community! 


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


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Posted 20 May 2016 - 02:01 PM

I know if you drop your dose anything can happen in terms of side effects. I used mindfullness body scan to get to sleep with some lavender on my pillow. 5mgs should be okay, its hard but not impossible. Just take it hour by hour. I always feel better in the evening. Once I get to evening time I know its another day done and tommorow may be awee bit better. Good luck..
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Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16

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Posted 21 May 2016 - 09:06 AM

Thank you Dowdaller. Good luck to you as well   :)


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


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Posted 07 June 2016 - 06:01 PM

Tuesday June 7 2016, Taper Day 18 from Venlafaxine 75mg to 70mg

 

Last evening I had a huge burger pattie for dinner, made from ground beef bought from the supermarket, and today my neck spasm was at its worst. It's now just before 9pm, and feeling a mild sensation of the "flu like" feelings, achy. Suspect that there was toxins in the burger, and so it triggered worsening of my symptoms? A bit scary.

 

I have a question, I am waiting for four weeks on 70mg to pass before stepping down to 65mg, since generally I'm fairly stable with symptoms (or should I reconsider after my experience today)? Since I'm in pain daily with the neck condition, I am anxious to reduce, hoping for relief. Already, I have had a couple days with some window of improvement in the neck problem (out of 18 days on 70mg).I wonder what others in the group think, about stepping down to the 65mg after 25 days on 70? I know I'm taking small steps, after last year trying on my own and making a bit of a mess of it, I am taking a more cautious route. Curious to hear if anyone has any suggestions for me. Thanks!


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


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Posted 07 June 2016 - 08:20 PM

I would wait and see if things settle out with this blip.  If this was a one day blip, it would probably be fine to continue as planned, but if it lasts longer, then I'd push your taper date out a bit.

 

Stressors of all kinds can trigger WD symptoms.

 

Have you tried Emotional Freedom Techniques (tapping) for the pain?  I'm curious to know if that might help.  I've used it for insomnia, usually takes a few rounds to drop me back to sleep, so might take a few for this as well. http://www.emofree.c...-to-do-eft.html

 

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Prozac 1995-1999, don't remember the dosage; Wellbutrin 1999-2002? Don't remember dosage though it was in the 300 mgs range
Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history.  Did fast taper, don't remember details, around August 2014.
Took Sam-E 200 mg AM and 500 mg L-tryptophan PM Sept.2014 to January 2015

Doing poorly, put on Viibryd 10 mg for 1 wk, 20 mg for several days, BAD ANXIETY, fast taper to 0 in a week; back on Sam-E 200 mg AM and L-tryptophan 500 mg PM until April 10, 2015; doing very badly, put on Remeron 7.5 mg start April 15-April 30, 2015; Increased Remeron from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly,

June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened!  On p-doc's orders went up to 75 mg Effexor June 11-12, then back to 37.5 mg when I realized all the hell I had been through before was WD from Effexor!  Joined SA and began tapering both too soon one month later.

8/22/15: Effexor to 30.75 mg, Remeron to 22 mg. 9/9/15 Effexor 30 mg/Remeron 21 mg. 9/24/15: Remeron 19 mg. 10/25/16: Remeron 17 mg. 11/14/15:  Effexor 28.5 mg 12/2/15: Remeron 16 mg. 12/5/15: Effexor 28.1 mg. 12/17/15: Remeron 15 mg. 1/26/16: Remeron 14 mg. 3/22/16, Remeron 13.5 mg and Effexor 25.9 mg (had nudged it down by fraction of a mg since Dec).  4/28/16: Remeron 13 mg, Effexor 25.5 mg.  5/21/16: Remeron 12 mg, Effexor 24.75 mg.  6/17/16, Effexor 23.25 mg, Remeron 11.6 mg. 7/12/16:  Remeron 11 mg, Effexor 22.12 mg.  9/22/16:  Effexor 19.5 mg, Remeron 9 mg.  As of 4/12/17:  Effexor 12.4 mg  Remeron 5.9 mg.

 

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Posted 08 June 2016 - 04:53 AM

Tuesday June 7 2016, Taper Day 18 from Venlafaxine 75mg to 70mg

 

Last evening I had a huge burger pattie for dinner, made from ground beef bought from the supermarket, and today my neck spasm was at its worst. It's now just before 9pm, and feeling a mild sensation of the "flu like" feelings, achy. Suspect that there was toxins in the burger, and so it triggered worsening of my symptoms? A bit scary.

 

I have a question, I am waiting for four weeks on 70mg to pass before stepping down to 65mg, since generally I'm fairly stable with symptoms (or should I reconsider after my experience today)? Since I'm in pain daily with the neck condition, I am anxious to reduce, hoping for relief. Already, I have had a couple days with some window of improvement in the neck problem (out of 18 days on 70mg).I wonder what others in the group think, about stepping down to the 65mg after 25 days on 70? I know I'm taking small steps, after last year trying on my own and making a bit of a mess of it, I am taking a more cautious route. Curious to hear if anyone has any suggestions for me. Thanks!

 

You seem to be in good shape, the flu like symptoms come and go,  I find the mental withdrawals are much harder to deal with than the physical pains, I would proceed as planed and see how it goes. This is a marathon not a sprint, and just be prepared for crap days.


I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years.
Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 05:30 PM

Thanks for your responses SquirrellyGirl and dowdaller. Today is day 20 of my beginning my taper from 75 to 70mg. It almost seems like daily I'm switching back and forth from having a relatively good day, to having a day where I feel not so great. I only have 8 more days to reach 28 and then reduce down to the 65mg, so it's not long to wait at this point. I need to adjust to this process and cultivate patience, since it seems it's going to take a fairly long time.

 

Thanks for suggesting EFT, I could work with that more than I have been. For the pain? hmmm. I'm impressed you use it to get back to sleep, I feel it takes too much energy, is too active, so I always just lay there and wait for sleep or just laying there... ^_^  I should work with it more though in the daytime, I'll try it for the pain I haven't done that.

 

I've been researching a bit more and found that what's called Tardive Dyskenesia is often caused by antidepressants. And that's pretty much the condition I have. There's a constant spasm of the one muscle on the side of my neck, and it unbalances everything (turns my head) and all the surrounding muscles can get sore and stiff. It is not fun don't recommend ha. I am looking into creating a lawsuit, because at this point it seems very likely it's caused by the Venlafaxine. To sue the drug company that sells the Effexor XR. I don't know anything about doing this really, but researching it. Definitely feel it would be my right to do.

 

And so hoping that as I reduce the dosage, the neck spasm will heal. Otherwise, I would be continuing to live this way, a rather horrid possibility.

 

Yes,a marathon, not a sprint, and be prepared for the crap days. Need to work on that. 

 

Thanks.


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 10:11 PM

If you are having windows and waves in between cuts, you might try doing 5% every two weeks.  I have found this to work very well with my mirtazapine taper.  Hardly notice anything at all!

 

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Prozac 1995-1999, don't remember the dosage; Wellbutrin 1999-2002? Don't remember dosage though it was in the 300 mgs range
Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history.  Did fast taper, don't remember details, around August 2014.
Took Sam-E 200 mg AM and 500 mg L-tryptophan PM Sept.2014 to January 2015

Doing poorly, put on Viibryd 10 mg for 1 wk, 20 mg for several days, BAD ANXIETY, fast taper to 0 in a week; back on Sam-E 200 mg AM and L-tryptophan 500 mg PM until April 10, 2015; doing very badly, put on Remeron 7.5 mg start April 15-April 30, 2015; Increased Remeron from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly,

June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened!  On p-doc's orders went up to 75 mg Effexor June 11-12, then back to 37.5 mg when I realized all the hell I had been through before was WD from Effexor!  Joined SA and began tapering both too soon one month later.

8/22/15: Effexor to 30.75 mg, Remeron to 22 mg. 9/9/15 Effexor 30 mg/Remeron 21 mg. 9/24/15: Remeron 19 mg. 10/25/16: Remeron 17 mg. 11/14/15:  Effexor 28.5 mg 12/2/15: Remeron 16 mg. 12/5/15: Effexor 28.1 mg. 12/17/15: Remeron 15 mg. 1/26/16: Remeron 14 mg. 3/22/16, Remeron 13.5 mg and Effexor 25.9 mg (had nudged it down by fraction of a mg since Dec).  4/28/16: Remeron 13 mg, Effexor 25.5 mg.  5/21/16: Remeron 12 mg, Effexor 24.75 mg.  6/17/16, Effexor 23.25 mg, Remeron 11.6 mg. 7/12/16:  Remeron 11 mg, Effexor 22.12 mg.  9/22/16:  Effexor 19.5 mg, Remeron 9 mg.  As of 4/12/17:  Effexor 12.4 mg  Remeron 5.9 mg.

 

My intro: http://survivinganti...e-2#entry196679

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.


#24 blazesboylan

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 12:31 PM

Just a quick hello Kay. I am tapering Effexor myself as per my signature. There was a time when I was on 300 mg daily. My signature reflects where I am today. Slowly but surely. I wish you the best of luck.  :)


Previously - zopiclone, risperidone, lyrica (pregabalin), ativan (lorezapam)
 
07/Jun/2016 -  80mg effexor, 5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
25/Jun/2016 -  80mg effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
04/Jul/2016 -  72mg effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
01/Aug/2016 -  65mg effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
12/Aug/2016 -  75mg effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
03/Oct/2016 -  70mg effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
29/Oct/2016 -  65mg effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
25/Nov/2016 -  65mg effexor, 4mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
25/Dec/2016 -  60mg effexor, 3.6mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
18/Jan/2017 -  60mg effexor, 5.25mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
27/Mar/2017 -  54mg effexor, 5.25mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
23/Apr/2017 -  54mg effexor, 7.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
 
valium (diazepam) as needed. Not daily. Rarely in fact.
 
Supplements - Magnesium, Omega-3, L-Theanine, Sterol and Stanols.
 
Note : I would really hope that nobody uses my tapering history as a guideline. It might not work well for somebody else tapering similar medications.

 


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Posted 10 June 2016 - 02:35 PM

I had no trouble switching from Effexor XR to Venlafaxine (generic)-

but always waited at least 1 month and a half to give withdrawal every chance to show up before another drop. Sometimes I waited months-it has to depend on how you're feeling much more than the calendar.
I divided the dosage in AM and PM dose-but always took the PM 6 hrs after AM. Different schedules will work for different people of course. I reduced the dosage by first rubbing the pill across a piece of sandpaper, then broke it along the indent. The problem is to find a way of measuring to make sure you take off the same amount each day.
Sept 12th 1992-began taking Imipramine (50mgs) for panic attacks.
Stopped Imipramine after 4 months (cold turkey).
7 months later experienced "mysterious" bad flu-like symptoms, although, without upper respiratory problems or fever. Because of this and a day of panic attacks, was put on Prozac (20mgs?) for 2 months and then, when that didn't work-was put back on  Imipramine,  plus Xanax 1 mg (4Xdaily)-October 1993.
March 1999-switched from Imipramine (50mgs) to Celexa.
2008-switched to Pristiq for 3 months, then back to Effexor XR (after bad reaction to the Pristiq).
Sept 1st 2010-Switched from Effexor XR (75mgs) to Effexor Generic (solid form) in preparation for taper.
Nov 15th 2010-Began tapering from 75mgs Effexor Generic.
January 13th 2014-.06mgs
April 17th 2014-      .03mgs
May 11th 2014-       .02mgs
Ended taper October 31st 2014
Oct 4th 2015-11 months post taper and completely back to normal!

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Posted 11 June 2016 - 02:39 PM

Thanks to everyone for your posts.

 

I am blown away by the high dosages (300mg). I also remember a young psychiatrist encouraging me to go up to 150, 200. Like kids playing with fire. So glad at least I reduced to 75mg before getting to the point I'm at. 

 

Glad to hear of success with getting off the Effexor. Good to know about the very small dosages at the end.

 

K


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


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Posted 16 June 2016 - 08:18 AM

Stepping down to Venlafaxine 65mg today  :)


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


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Posted 16 June 2016 - 12:09 PM

Stepping down to Venlafaxine 65mg today  :)

 

The best of luck to you!


Previously - zopiclone, risperidone, lyrica (pregabalin), ativan (lorezapam)
 
07/Jun/2016 -  80mg effexor, 5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
25/Jun/2016 -  80mg effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
04/Jul/2016 -  72mg effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
01/Aug/2016 -  65mg effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
12/Aug/2016 -  75mg effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
03/Oct/2016 -  70mg effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
29/Oct/2016 -  65mg effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
25/Nov/2016 -  65mg effexor, 4mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
25/Dec/2016 -  60mg effexor, 3.6mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
18/Jan/2017 -  60mg effexor, 5.25mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
27/Mar/2017 -  54mg effexor, 5.25mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
23/Apr/2017 -  54mg effexor, 7.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
 
valium (diazepam) as needed. Not daily. Rarely in fact.
 
Supplements - Magnesium, Omega-3, L-Theanine, Sterol and Stanols.
 
Note : I would really hope that nobody uses my tapering history as a guideline. It might not work well for somebody else tapering similar medications.

 


#29 Kay

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 04:50 PM

Today has been difficult. The neck spasm has been at it's worst, and somewhat feeling upset emotionally as well. Rested for two hours midday, took extra supplements (a lot of omega 3 fish oil) no real improvement.

 

It's the sixth day on 65mg. I'm guessing it takes about six days for my system to react to the reduction in dosage. Praying I'll be better tomorrow, since I have a number of errands that need to get done.


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


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Posted 21 June 2016 - 08:46 PM

Ah - sorry it's been a hard day.  Glad you got some rest though - it must help at some level.  Four days to a week is the usual for noticing dose changes.  Maybe you can find a way to have rests between those errands? 


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2011 February Escitalopram 10mg (sudden switch). 2012 January Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Early June Feeling great, decide to taper. Doc advises alternate days 20mg/10mg for 4 weeks.  Late June Steady. Drop to 10mg daily. Early July Not coping, raging, flu symptoms, shaky, anxious, low, spaced-out, self-destructive.  Mid July Return to alternate days 20mg/10mg - minimal improvement. Early August Return to full dose 20mg. Lost.
2014 February Switch to Venlafaxine. (First reduced Esc. to 10mg/day for a week) Feb-April Lost, 'light' self-harm, exhausted.
April Increase Ven. to 150mg/day. Dizzy. July 75mg twice a day to improve dizziness. Deep depression remains.  2015 Feb Vigilant dose spacing partially eases dizziness. Mar Switch to Effexor 75mg 2x/day. May Cut 10% to 135mg - bad w/d 2 mths, held 1 mth.  Aug 1.3% cut - bad 1mth, held 1mth. Oct 4 wkly 0.4% cuts held 6 weeks. Jan 2016 2 wkly 0.4% cuts. 8 month hold. Sept Wkly cuts: 0.5%, 3 1% cuts.  Oct 4 wkly 1% cuts, hold 3-4 weeks.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamins E & C, magnesium, iron, MSM, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.  My story of healing: ContinuedHealing

***I am not a doctor or counselor; please do your own research and be prepared to take responsibility for decisions you make.*** 

           'The possibility of renewal exists so long as life exists.'  Dr Gabor Mate.


#31 dowdaller

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 02:06 AM

You will adjust, just stick to your routine, keep doing normal stuff. And you will get by.


I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years.
Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16

#32 Kay

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 06:09 AM

Thanks so much Karen and Dowdaller. I am feeling much better today, thankfully. I prayed for strength to do everything today. Thankfully maybe my bad symptoms will only last one day at a time. As we all I'm sure have done, I have to just see how it goes as I go through this process. 

 

I did make a list of things to do when it gets difficult. Resting I think when all else fails is the best medicine. And comedy! :-) Had some of that too. And being the "Observer."

 

Thanks again! So scary!

 

Kay


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:07 PM

Today, day 38 of taper, day 12 of stepping down to 65mg, has been difficult. I don't understand why, it seems, my neck condition, the spasm, is my main symptom? I felt some mild emotional stuff today, but mostly just stronger pulling in my neck. It is so painful. Many muscles are sore, yet the pulling is relentless. Finally now at about 6pm it's lessened slightly. I rested again today, twice, one hour each time. It seems it's more difficult than it was on the step down to 70mg. I am thinking I should stay on 65 for six weeks, instead of four. I am just really "dumbfounded" that my main symptom seems to be this neck condition...


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 02:26 PM

Not sure if it's exactly the same, but I'm having a weird neck thing too.  Always uncomfortably tight, needs constant readjusting/moving, can't get it comfy.  It's been mildly bothersome for over a year, but these last few weeks it's been so much worse.  I've taken to draping a heated wheat-sack round it for some relief.  It does reduce the intensity somewhat. 

 

Good call to have a longer hold between drops.


2010 May Fluoxetine 20mg. Raging mostly stops, become more functional.
2011 February Escitalopram 10mg (sudden switch). 2012 January Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Early June Feeling great, decide to taper. Doc advises alternate days 20mg/10mg for 4 weeks.  Late June Steady. Drop to 10mg daily. Early July Not coping, raging, flu symptoms, shaky, anxious, low, spaced-out, self-destructive.  Mid July Return to alternate days 20mg/10mg - minimal improvement. Early August Return to full dose 20mg. Lost.
2014 February Switch to Venlafaxine. (First reduced Esc. to 10mg/day for a week) Feb-April Lost, 'light' self-harm, exhausted.
April Increase Ven. to 150mg/day. Dizzy. July 75mg twice a day to improve dizziness. Deep depression remains.  2015 Feb Vigilant dose spacing partially eases dizziness. Mar Switch to Effexor 75mg 2x/day. May Cut 10% to 135mg - bad w/d 2 mths, held 1 mth.  Aug 1.3% cut - bad 1mth, held 1mth. Oct 4 wkly 0.4% cuts held 6 weeks. Jan 2016 2 wkly 0.4% cuts. 8 month hold. Sept Wkly cuts: 0.5%, 3 1% cuts.  Oct 4 wkly 1% cuts, hold 3-4 weeks.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamins E & C, magnesium, iron, MSM, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.  My story of healing: ContinuedHealing

***I am not a doctor or counselor; please do your own research and be prepared to take responsibility for decisions you make.*** 

           'The possibility of renewal exists so long as life exists.'  Dr Gabor Mate.


#35 Kay

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 02:42 PM

Karen B I would be wary of that neck condition. Mine started small and grew in the first year, is a neck spasm, an uncontrollable neck spasm on the right side of my neck. Seven years I've had it. I'm working to get off the Venlafaxine since I now strongly suspect it is the cause. Yet I'll have to wait to see if it heals once I get off the med. My condition was diagnosed that first year as Spastic Torticollis, also called Cervical Dystonia. But, recently I've found instances of something called Tardive Dyskenesia linked to antidepressant use, and it's very similar. You can read about that on Dr. Breggin's site www.breggin.com

 

I am feeling better today than yesterday, thankfully. Seems I'm in for a long process with reducing. Grateful for this group.  ^_^ 


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 


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Posted 13 July 2016 - 07:05 AM

Need some advice and support at this point.

 

Day 54 of taper, day 28 of stepping down to 65mg (from 70mg). I'm having some pretty marked bowel issues. For two days nothing, then multiple times in a day followed by next day multiple times and diarrhea. My plan is to continue 65mg for total 42 days, then step down to 61mg. I am literally waiting today, to see if the bowel issues continue. 

 

I would love to hear any feedback, advice on this. Last night was feeling scared, thinking maybe I'll have to go back up to 70mg. And thoughts? As I said I'm still waiting to see how it acts today. 

 

Thanks so much, Kay


April 20 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 50mg

February 12 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 53mg
January 1 2017 Stepping down to Venlafaxine 56mg

 

November 9 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 59mg

September 1 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 62mg

June 16 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 65mg.

May 21 2016 Stepped down to Venlafaxine 70mg. Taking Omega 3 fish oil every day (with food). Taking some other theroadback supplements.

 

April 22 2016 switched from Venlafaxine XR 75mg to: a different brand, Venlafaxine non-extended release 75mg.

 

Taking Effexor XR 75mg, which I've been taking for many years. Tried reducing last year on my own, and began having bad side effects. Planning to try reducing again this year (2016) and am currently taking supplements that are supposed to help (following theroadback.org program). 






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