Area-1255's Introduction

[Area1255]

Let me just start by saying that Survivingantidepressants is a great forum. I was lurking here for a while, I think maybe here and there in the past I may have glanced at some informational articles. The people who put this together are very noble people. Everyone who is participating here, who is taking their time to help others, make a perfect example of a magnificent human being.

 

The world needs more communities like this, to help those in need and to support those who may not have needed it before. 

Sometimes the world can be very dark, and when closed-mindedness predominates, then obviously people see what repercussions result, but enough of that... here's my introduction.

 

I am a 29-year-old an Writer, for multiple nootropic vendor's and also some freelance work for companies in Buffalo, NY. I am also a part-time Construction worker in the Buffalo/Erie county  WFe. I am a graduate of biochemistry from UB and have a degree in I.T from Cedar Valley. 

 

I have joined this forum as I would like to lend a hand to those in need, and as a support character specifically for those who are afflicted with Post-SSRI-Sexual Dysfunction and Anhedonia. As a lead researcher in this area (PSSD) , I have compiled much information on the topic. I have also seen the work of Dr.Healy, and concur with *some* of his findings, he is a very smart man as well.

 

Additionally, there are many off-branch doctor's who believe in the existence of this condition, though not all from the same country or even medical community, but nevertheless, their conducted research has helped shed new light on this awful condition.

 

I myself could have seen the negative effects of SSRI's (3 years of fluvoxamine for OCD) , I am largely recovered but that doesn't mean I don't experience nagging symptoms and anhedonia here and there. With that being said, I feel for the pain and sadness that so many are still experiencing and would like to help.

 

With regard to withdrawal, I have some experience and knowledge within that area as well, and know first hand of the awful 'brain`zaps that characterize it. As well as the Anxiety, fits and despair. 

 

So again, I'd like to extend my hand to this community and for all of those who have questions and concerns relating to this topic.

 

Alright? 

 

That's it. 

[Bruin]

Hi Area1255......I am pretty much a newbie but welcome to the forum and thank you for your offer of support and help.

[SquirrellyGirl]

Hi Area 1255, 

 

Welcome to SA!  It helps others to know what your experience with these meds is, where you have come from, so perhaps you could take a crack at filling out your signature block?  Please put your Withdrawal History in Signature  This allows those whose threads you post on see your history at a glance, and knowing that you have succeeded in coming off these meds will help reassure and give confidence.

 

Maybe you could give us an overview here as well?

 

We can always use more help reassuring newbies, lending them a compassionate "ear" and giving them hope that recovery is possible.

 

SG

[ChessieCat]

Hi Area-1255

 

Your quote (below) from this post.  I would like to ask if you are aware of the:

 

history of antidepressants - read Anatomy of an Epidemic by Dr Peter Breggin

 

or the way the DSM is created and updated Video:  The DSM:  Psychiatry's Deadliest Scam and Video:  Dr James Davies:  The Origins of the DSM

 

and how clinical trials are hand picked for the best ones Antidepressants and the Placebo Effect (article by Irving Kirsch, author of The Emperor's New Drugs:  Exploding the Antidepressant Myth) and Video:  Irving Kirsch:  Emperor's New Drugs:  Antidepressants and the Placebo Effect

 

and two interviews with an ex-drug rep of 15 years: Video:  Ex-Big Pharma Rep:  We’re Trained To Misinform -The Drugs ARE Dangerous  and Interview:  Confessions of an Rx Drug Pusher

 

Until I became a member here and reviewed all the above information (and more) I thought that pharmaceutical companies had our best interests at heart.  Not any more.  What I've learned in the last 6 months even made me question what drugs I was offered for my dog.

 

I have recently read Gwen Olsen's book Confessions of an Rx Drug Pusher and she mentions a drug which they knew caused another issue and when it was mentioned they said oh that's okay, we can then medicate for that as well.  $$$$$$

 

Pristiq was created because Effexor was coming off patent.  The difference between the two is minimal but enough for Pfizer to be able to have Pristiq patented and therefore earn them more $$$$$$$

 

So I disagree with your statement which I have bolded below

 

 

Well given the amount of research that has been poured into Depression, as an increasing phenomenon, the demand comes from the People, perhaps indirectly. If Depression was never diagnosed, and never seen as a mental condition, then there would be no treatments available, SSRI's are just one action against the occurrence, sure, they keep the industry going, but without which, much suffering would endure harder. Even if we were to assume that such individuals may encounter alternative healing, or spiritual existence, or perhaps eventually 'snap out of` a bad moment in their lives, this can not be an excuse to not do anything at all, or to just procrastinate, everything in a man or woman's life is a stepping stone, some people find that a medication helps to improve their outlook, and later aspire to become powerful musicians, and artists...

That does not mean I, nor anyone else who understands these medications totally agrees with them in terms of their research. I believe there are some flaws in the research itself, and I do think the side-effects often outweigh the benefits, but this is not every case, and the entire `big pharma' should not be condemned for or as a whole held responsible for, the effects of a few pills/brands. 

[Altostrata]

Welcome, Area.

 

This site is not specifically about PSSD. We do have members who have suffered from PSSD as well as other aspects of withdrawal syndrome.

 

We try to support people with withdrawal syndrome problems in general, we don't pursue any treatments or cures for PSSD, because none of us is sufficiently knowledgeable to address this very complex condition.

 

There are several forums and sites whose members are experimenting with treatments and might be more aligned with your interests.

 

Yes, what is your experience with psychiatric drugs?

[Area1255]

Welcome, Area.

 

This site is not specifically about PSSD. We do have members who have suffered from PSSD as well as other aspects of withdrawal syndrome.

 

We try to support people with withdrawal syndrome problems in general, we don't pursue any treatments or cures for PSSD, because none of us is sufficiently knowledgeable to address this very complex condition.

 

There are several forums and sites whose members are experimenting with treatments and might be more aligned with your interests.

 

Yes, what is your experience with psychiatric drugs?

 

My experience is with Luvox (Fluvoxamine) for 3 years. It was prescribed for OCD back when I was younger, and it was honestly my most awful encounter with the the class of drugs. The withdrawal was hard and long, and I almost felt flu-like, had yanking and skin sensations when withdrawing, terrible insomnia, and night sweats. Absolutely awful. I will never touch an SSRI again. 

 

So Yes, I have experience with them and some others. 

[Area1255]

I didn't mean to make it sound like I was signing up only with the intention of talking about PSSD. I was merely outlining it as one of my current areas of research. Regardless, I just aim to be a solid support character as I do have a lot of experience with Psychiatric drugs as said above.

[btdt]

Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for 

 

Drugs makers think they can drug human beings and make enough loot to take over the world...but humanity exists because people care about one another enough to help each other and that my friend was there first or none of us would be here. 

Welcome

[Area1255]

Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for 

 

Drugs makers think they can drug human beings and make enough loot to take over the world...but humanity exists because people care about one another enough to help each other and that my friend was there first or none of us would be here. 

Welcome

Well that reference, or , quote, is really metaphorical, I think it just describes the paradox of humanity. Darkness is even subjective, as light is. It doesn't always have to mean |good or evil|, it could merely mean literally in terms of Physics, or existentionalism, the existence and collaboration of light and darkness itself. You could even go into astrophysics, and interacting massive particles, but of course, in Pratchett's case it was likely the former points. 

 

When light does get to darkness though, light wins, it consumes and outshines darkness more than the sum of darknesses points originally, largely.

In human prospects, we see that the prevail of crusaders of truth and justice eventually shines through, evil people do indeed eventually see their end, and the triumph of honest and noble men.

 

 

“Remember that all through history, there have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they seem invincible. But in the end, they always fall. Always.”

― Mahatma Gandhi, The Story of My Experiments With Truth

 

[Petunia]

Welcome from me too Area,
 
I'm sorry you had some bad experiences with psych drugs in the past, that's the main purpose of this site, to help people taper off them properly and to support those who have come off too fast and are experiencing withdrawal symptoms.
 

My experience is with Luvox (Fluvoxamine) for 3 years. It was prescribed for OCD back when I was younger, and it was honestly my most awful encounter with the the class of drugs. The withdrawal was hard and long, and I almost felt flu-like, had yanking and skin sensations when withdrawing, terrible insomnia, and night sweats. Absolutely awful. I will never touch an SSRI again. 
 
So Yes, I have experience with them and some others.

 

How did you stop taking the Luxox? How long did your withdrawal symptoms last for? When did you last take it and would you say you are completely recovered now?

 

Did your OCD return after you stopped taking Luvox?  I'm sorry for all the questions but it helps us understand your situation better if you share your drug, tapering and withdrawal history in detail, this is what most of us are interested in learning about.

 

In your first post you mention both PSSD and Anhedonia, did you experience both of these? It would be great if you would describe how they impacted on you and how your recovery from them progressed. I'm personally still experiencing both of these symptoms after being drug free for 3 years, Its comforting to hear of recovery stories.

 

Do you have any tips you could share about how you managed your insomnia and other symptoms as you recovered?

 

When you say you have experience with others, do you mean other psych drugs? Are you taking any medications at the moment?

 

Petunia.

 

[btdt]

Oh my your remind me of me when I could think actually for a time I could not stop thinking.. 

peace my young brainiack I need to sleep

[Area1255]

Welcome from me too Area,

 

I'm sorry you had some bad experiences with psych drugs in the past, that's the main purpose of this site, to help people taper off them properly and to support those who have come off too fast and are experiencing withdrawal symptoms.

 

My experience is with Luvox (Fluvoxamine) for 3 years. It was prescribed for OCD back when I was younger, and it was honestly my most awful encounter with the the class of drugs. The withdrawal was hard and long, and I almost felt flu-like, had yanking and skin sensations when withdrawing, terrible insomnia, and night sweats. Absolutely awful. I will never touch an SSRI again. 

 

So Yes, I have experience with them and some others.

 

How did you stop taking the Luxox? How long did your withdrawal symptoms last for? When did you last take it and would you say you are completely recovered now?

 

Did your OCD return after you stopped taking Luvox?  I'm sorry for all the questions but it helps us understand your situation better if you share your drug, tapering and withdrawal history in detail, this is what most of us are interested in learning about.

 

In your first post you mention both PSSD and Anhedonia, did you experience both of these? It would be great if you would describe how they impacted on you and how your recovery from them progressed. I'm personally still experiencing both of these symptoms after being drug free for 3 years, Its comforting to hear of recovery stories.

 

Do you have any tips you could share about how you managed your insomnia and other symptoms as you recovered?

 

When you say you have experience with others, do you mean other psych drugs? Are you taking any medications at the moment?

 

Petunia.

I gradually tapered off the 300 MG I was on. At first, like a lot of anxious people , I (stupidly) tried cold turkey, that was a horrible move for someone who should've known better. At that point all aformentioned symptoms were hitting hard and fast , and had heart palpitations as well. Then I tapered by reducing 25 mg every 5 days. The 100 mg jump down was after a about a month. Then I gradually continued reducing over the next couple months. I think I was stuck between anticipating being off of it, and the fear of coming off of it too quickly, because the anhedonia was present on it as well, more severe even, and I wasn't enjoying the other psychological side-effects (apathy, neuroticism, passivity, agitation). So perhaps I was being over-cautious, but I was a different person back then (2007).

 

So I've been off of them for a while now. That was second run but it was after that I decided never again. 

I went on klonopine for a short-time (3 weeks) for OCD/Anxiety, and that did not go over well. I became very hot, and very angry on it. Which I understand is an unusual reaction?

 

During my experience of SSRI-side-effects , is when I first got interested in the science of it all. 

Maybe a bit obsessively, but did tons of research I guess as anyone would in that situation.

I started getting hormone blood work due to sexual side-effects, and turn out of high prolactin and all the usuals prompted my continuance and interest in research relating to neurotransmitters . 

 

I honestly, never would have thought back then, that I would have accomplished this much, but recovery was made possible because of support characters (uncle, father, aunts etc). I believe in paying it forward as well. 

 

Research and looking stuff up was a big part in all of this. 

I tried a paleo-diet which was trending at the time, (and sort of still is), and that plus intense work outs and a positive mindset has helped me recover from these side-effects to a great (but not 100%).

 

I still get anhedonia here and there, and some short-term memory issues from SSRI's but are largely resolved. 

I do take supplements but I don't go crazy with them. 

 

As far as other withdrawal effects, they have pretty much dissolved.

 

• Lemon Balm helped me a lot and still does with the OCD ( I used to go absolutely crazy turning everything in 3's and doing thousands of pushups a day ). Plus intrusive thoughts have been dulled and it helps tremendously with Insomnia.
• I meditate often during evening times. 
• I take Aniracetam for short-term memory issues here and there, and Deprenyl for anhedonia.
• Other than that I am drug free. Aniracetam is considered a nootropic though, so technically not a drug.
• I eat very very healthy, and eat a lot of vegetables, and put spices on food, and eat a high-protein, high-fat, low-medium carb diet.

[Area1255]

Oh my your remind me of me when I could think actually for a time I could not stop thinking.. 

peace my young brainiack I need to sleep

Haha, yeah, I could kinda tell we are both analytical ba*****.    later. I'm not blowing up your notifications by quoting this right? 

[Area1255]

I'm going to sleep now as well, cya all tomorrow. I admit, I probably posted a little too much today, though a lot of it was in-topic conversations with the guy above me.

[Petunia]

Thanks for sharing more about your experiences, it sounds like you have learned a lot through this experience, which is one positive aspect of it all I suppose. We have another member who has a severe adverse reaction to benzos, similar to you, I think it was Valium she reacts to, but it might be another benzo.
 

• I take Aniracetam for short-term memory issues here and there, and Deprenyl for anhedonia.

I didn't know what Deprenyl was so had to look it up and was surprised to learn it's an anti-depressant, similar to the MAOI Nardil. Only it has more of an effect on dopamine. Do you take this daily? Or use a patch, when did you start using it?
 
Please would you add this to your signature, we like to see what drugs members are currently taking. Are you staying on this or planning to taper off at some time?
 
I've tried using Lemon Balm too, I was hoping it would help with my withdrawal anxiety. I started out with teabags which I had to order from another country. Then when I got an initial good response, I bought some from a garden center and planted it at various places in my garden, hoping that one of them would survive and grow. I've tried using it again, but doesn't seem to help any more, maybe it was a placebo effect. How do you use your lemon balm?

[btdt]

 

Oh my your remind me of me when I could think actually for a time I could not stop thinking.. 

peace my young brainiack I need to sleep

Haha, yeah, I could kinda tell we are both analytical ba*****.    later. I'm not blowing up your notifications by quoting this right? 

 

I don't care if notifications blow up there are usually a lot I don't notice much I know what I want to talk about.  I think the ocd type of thinking could well have been part of my searching ocd is often a part of recovery... so I think anyway.  Some get it worse than others.  

What you may be noticing is a like attracts like here in the obsessiveness of my quest and yours we could really feed each other if I were smart enough to follow you which I doubt I am but I will drag along behind you and check this and that or anything that rings any bells for me. Some may say that we are triggering each others side effects and encouraging something thought to be a bad thing... wd effect but some like me would say use what you have whatever it is... to a point.  

We all have to regulate our own healing systems as they can get out of hand easily it depends on the person.... awareness is key here and I am not so good at that all the time.  I tend to see things after they happen sometimes long after they happen... I have fluctuating cognitive abilities which really sucks when it comes to the wanting to know ... as I can't remember well enough to stay on task and slip and slide all over the place... it is frustrating.

I am glad your here it is nice to see a new perspective and consider new ideas.  I may not be able to keep up with the information you present but I am sure others here can and are so carry on.  

 

I find people that have gone this alone tend to have a lot to say when they first get here so don't worry about the number of posts... I tend to post a lot too.  I don't think it is a bad thing but I am basically a nobody here so who knows what others think... if you don't hear any bad news about it don't worry about it... I have never had a message saying stop posting so much so I doubt you will.

 

It is nice to find people who get where you are coming from especially so if you did it along and you never know you just may find the odd thing on here that inspires you are wakes you up to something profound.  That is how it happened for me on my first wd site... I was stumbling along still  very very sick and one thread woke me up to an entirely new understanding on my life and my situation.  Once awake there was never a moment of consideration to go back.. only forward with a new zeal... you just never know.  I find it happens a lot on sites like this as where else would you find far reaching concepts involving drug effects... no place that is where. You will find your place here I hope you find some surprises along the way that enhance your healing and your life.

 

I am female btw

wishing you peace 

[Area1255]

Thanks for sharing more about your experiences, it sounds like you have learned a lot through this experience, which is one positive aspect of it all I suppose. We have another member who has a severe adverse reaction to benzos, similar to you, I think it was Valium she reacts to, but it might be another benzo.

 

• I take Aniracetam for short-term memory issues here and there, and Deprenyl for anhedonia.

I didn't know what Deprenyl was so had to look it up and was surprised to learn it's an anti-depressant, similar to the MAOI Nardil. Only it has more of an effect on dopamine. Do you take this daily? Or use a patch, when did you start using it?

 

Please would you add this to your signature, we like to see what drugs members are currently taking. Are you staying on this or planning to taper off at some time?

 

I've tried using Lemon Balm too, I was hoping it would help with my withdrawal anxiety. I started out with teabags which I had to order from another country. Then when I got an initial good response, I bought some from a garden center and planted it at various places in my garden, hoping that one of them would survive and grow. I've tried using it again, but doesn't seem to help any more, maybe it was a placebo effect. How do you use your lemon balm?

I will certainly add them to my signature. That's no problem!

I started with a lemon balm liquid solution, then I did capsules (New Chapter) .

Yes, Deprenyl aka Selegiline prevents the breakdown of dopamine. 

I've been using on and off of it for 5 years, it's a very safe medication.

I might go off of it eventually, but it hasn't caused me any side-effects at all really.

[Area1255]

I tend to post a lot too.  I don't think it is a bad thing but I am basically a nobody here so who knows what others think... if you don't hear any bad news about it don't worry about it... I have never had a message saying stop posting so much so I doubt you will.

 

I am female btw

wishing you peace

Yeah, you have quite the post count here. Honestly, I'm not enticed by numbers though as a goal per se. I think there are some people who enjoy posting merely to get their post count up, and these types of people should be banned. My goal here, of course, as anyone can see, is to converse amongst like-minded individuals but most of all, to help people and to share experiences with WD and it's most allied symptoms . 

 

In regards to the posting, I think it was more because I'm a newbie here, even if people know me elsewhere (testshock, longecity etc).

On the other hand, I have to admit that this website is graphically nice. It has a nice template, and on other forums, I've noticed a lot of crap, spam ads up and all kinds of other distracting nuisances. That doesn't seem to be the case here. So that's a good thing. 

[JanCarol]

Hey Area - 

 

I look forward to seeing your updated signature.

 

I've been using lemon balm and green tea (theanine) as well, but usually only as a night time tea.   

 

It is against Surviving Antidepressants policy to post advertisements, of which your Signature is full of them.  You may link to a blog, but not to any commercial products.  Also please update your signature to include your current "nootropics."  

 

I believe that the nootropics of tomorrow are the psych drugs of today, and the LSD of yesterday, and the mushrooms of ancient times.  So, um.  Well, I'm not easily impressed, especially not by "double blind trials" etc. etc.  There are people in this for the money, and it is vital that you do not advertise on this forum in any way.

 

Here at SA it would also be awesome to know the non-drug techniques you may be using.  What kind of meditation?  What kind of workout?  And, as Petunia asked, how do you use lemon balm?  Why do you use it, instead of l-theanine?  

 

And - what can we do for you?  If you are *fine* as you say - this is a site for healing.  How can we help?  Is there information you are looking for?  Or do you already have all the answers you need?

[Area1255]

It is against Surviving Antidepressants policy to post advertisements, of which your Signature is full of them.  You may link to a blog, but not to any commercial products.

Ah, well the second site isn't really products as you can't buy directly from it, I just figured because of my name/company name that it would be good for familiarization purposes , more of a declaration that I'm the same person, so it's not for marketing purposes at all.

 

And, as Petunia asked, how do you use lemon balm?  Why do you use it, instead of l-theanine?

I like both of them I just don't feel the need to use both. I don't want to be too out of it ya know?

 

And - what can we do for you?  If you are *fine* as you say - this is a site for healing.  How can we help?  Is there information you are looking for?  Or do you already have all the answers you need?

Well I'm looking to be a support character, I wouldn't say I have ALL the answers I need. In fact, there is never a day I would call perfect but improvement and recovery go hand in hand with optimism so I wish to confer that to others.

[JanCarol]

Thank you for a more complete drug listing in your sig.

 

Please remove the apparel and clothing link in your sig.  The other is a blog and acceptable (only marginally, as you are using SA membership to promote blog hits and promote supplements)

 

I cannot let you put "name awareness" of any other brand there - no matter whether you can buy it online or not.  Imagine, if everyone listed their favorite brands in their sig?  Nope.  Not on.

 

 

Thank you.

[Area1255]

Thank you for a more complete drug listing in your sig.

 

Please remove the apparel and clothing link in your sig.  The other is a blog and acceptable (only marginally, as you are using SA membership to promote blog hits and promote supplements)

 

I cannot let you put "name awareness" of any other brand there - no matter whether you can buy it online or not.  Imagine, if everyone listed their favorite brands in their sig?  Nope.  Not on.

 

 

Thank you.

 

Well the blog is sort of identification as well, wouldn't want someone on here posing either, but we don't have those types of obsessive-stalkers or trolls to deal with much, and when we do, it's usually a spam comment on one of our articles. Regardless, there's a very large wealth of research on our blog and forum.

A lot of it is from other writers we either hire short-term, or friends of mine who decide they want an outlet.

 

Sig is dealt with.

[btdt]

Do you still ever feel like symptoms are bouncing around as in going and coming back or has that all ended except for insomnia?

 

I have a revolving digestive problem when it hits I cannot eat a bite and I am in it now... my answer so far is ensure and stop eating for a time. 

 

Along with it I get so I can't think well and negative mean feelings things fly out of my mouth and I swear to God I was not even thinking them... poor thought and impulse control perhaps but more problematic for me is the feeling of loss of awareness over my own actions thoughts... I feel completely removed from reality.  This is scaring the **** out of me as if feels crazy. I am wondering if it is a reaction to the T3 I can't recall if I was taking it when all of this started or not.  I think I will copy this to my thread as an update.  

peace

[Area1255]

Do you still ever feel like symptoms are bouncing around as in going and coming back or has that all ended except for insomnia?

 

I have a revolving digestive problem when it hits I cannot eat a bite and I am in it now... my answer so far is ensure and stop eating for a time. 

 

Along with it I get so I can't think well and negative mean feelings things fly out of my mouth and I swear to God I was not even thinking them... poor thought and impulse control perhaps but more problematic for me is the feeling of loss of awareness over my own actions thoughts... I feel completely removed from reality.  This is scaring the **** out of me as if feels crazy. I am wondering if it is a reaction to the T3 I can't recall if I was taking it when all of this started or not.  I think I will copy this to my thread as an update.  

peace

Actually Yes, some digestive issues as if some food is digested slower and intestinal transit is slowed, with Caffeine helping that some absolutely. 

I haven't noticed any verbal issues really but I seem more clean in some ways, but I can also say that I'm less enthusiastic in some ways after the run.

[AliG]

Btdt.   Try not to encourage those thoughts and you will find they have less power over you. I'm sorry that you're still struggling.

[Area1255]

Btdt.   Try not to encourage those thoughts and you will find they have less power over you. I'm sorry that you're still struggling.

Aren't you or weren't you on another forum as well? Paxil Progress?

[btdt]

 

Btdt.   Try not to encourage those thoughts and you will find they have less power over you. I'm sorry that you're still struggling.

Aren't you or weren't you on another forum as well? Paxil Progress?

 

Is that question for me.. yes I was at pp... were you there too?

 

I think the anger is from the tylenol #3 when I take more than I should I tend to lose it.. and I am more apt to lose it when I am in a lot of pain... back to T3 but I had to refuse the other drugs offered for pain and sleep... tramadol ... tricylic Ad... and an AP... I actually laughed out loud I did not mean to it just happened...what I said was I have taken all of them .. your information your giving me about them are incorrect... there is wd... there are side effects... end of story

[Area1255]

 

 

Btdt.   Try not to encourage those thoughts and you will find they have less power over you. I'm sorry that you're still struggling.

Aren't you or weren't you on another forum as well? Paxil Progress?

 

Is that question for me.. yes I was at pp... were you there too?

 

I think the anger is from the tylenol #3 when I take more than I should I tend to lose it.. and I am more apt to lose it when I am in a lot of pain... back to T3 but I had to refuse the other drugs offered for pain and sleep... tramadol ... tricylic Ad... and an AP... I actually laughed out loud I did not mean to it just happened...what I said was I have taken all of them .. your information your giving me about them are incorrect... there is wd... there are side effects... end of story

 

I thought I recognized your user name, and yes I sure was. 

On there I was J.Russo.