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#145 JanCarol

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 06:45 PM

Hey Sheri - how ya going?

 

You've been taking compounded now for ?? days?


"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.

 

Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!


#146 Sheri755

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 07:00 PM

Hey Jan,

Today is day two on the compounded. Yesterday and most of today was off the chart anxiety and fear.

It's so weird. The anxiety is really low now after meditating. I do a lot of praying when I meditate. I think it's answered prayer. Bruce and I are watching highlights of 2016 on tv and I can actually focus. 😊 It's so nice!

It's already 2017 for you!
I hope you're having a great day so far and wishing you the best year ever!!! ❤
Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs
Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day
Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering.
Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea.
7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effexor after 4 mths of misery. Pooped out after 10 days.
9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden with fear, no appetite or feeling of being full.
10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg)
11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg.
11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime
12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.
Current meds:Effexor XR- 5 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2
mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16, increased to 65 mg.)Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg.

#147 Sheri755

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 09:22 AM

I need help please. I was diagnosed with dry eye a few years ago. Thera Tears are not helping. I already have a cataract and the eye dr said dry eyes could lead to macular degeneration. It's now much worse.

I started Flonase Nasal Spray about two weeks ago for sinus/allergies mucous that sticks to the back of my throat but my main concern is the fluid in my ears. I had a nasty ear infection a few years ago and was told it was the worst he'd ever seen. Antibiotics cleared it up but trying to avoid them, hence the Flonase.

I seem to be more sensitive to the Vyvanse that I'm tapering. I'm very thirsty (drinking lots of water) between 11-2 which is a new symptom.

Vyvanse is very drying. I'm not sure if Flonase could be
contributing or not but I stopped it and pray I don't get an ear infection.

Would it be okay to try Restasis eye drops? Well, I just see that it can take months to help and long term use is necessary. You're worse if you stop...

Very painful dry, burning eyes, possible ear infection. What can I do?
Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs
Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day
Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering.
Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea.
7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effexor after 4 mths of misery. Pooped out after 10 days.
9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden with fear, no appetite or feeling of being full.
10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg)
11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg.
11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime
12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.
Current meds:Effexor XR- 5 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2
mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16, increased to 65 mg.)Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg.

#148 JanCarol

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 10:25 PM

Hi Sheri - 

 

You can get through this!

 

I know very little about this topic, other than to say it is a common symptom for SSRI & withdrawal:  http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/5742-dry-and-painful-eyes/

 

If you want to try the eye drops, try them when you are relaxed.  I don't believe they will spin you into a wave, but then - I'm not you!  I'm only guessing.

 

I suppose you have to weigh whether the risk is worth the benefit, and it sounds like the dry eye may be riskier than the eye drops.  But - like I said, I'm only guessing.

 

Can you make a note on your signature about "move to Compounded Vyvanse 15 mg & date" so we can track this?

 

I hope you feel better soon.


"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.

 

Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!


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Posted 14 March 2017 - 12:13 PM

The cortisol surges are raging throughout the night now. Even during the day while meditating! I have black out drapes and wear a sleep mask. The anxiety is incredibly high. Still bedridden. I'm tapering Vyvanse at 10%. Currently at 9.5. I've been on 5 beads of Effexor since last July. I agree with Alto that I must have developed a sensitivity to Vyvanse or maybe I'm in tolerance with the Effexor.

The anxiety is killing me. Please help. Thank you so much.
Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs
Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day
Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering.
Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea.
7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effexor after 4 mths of misery. Pooped out after 10 days.
9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden with fear, no appetite or feeling of being full.
10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg)
11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg.
11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime
12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.
Current meds:Effexor XR- 5 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2
mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16, increased to 65 mg.)Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg.

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 01:20 PM

Have you tried MagnesiumSome members find that magnesium helps with anxiety.  I personally have found that it takes the edge of my anxiety.  some people use epsom salts in a bath.  JanCarol soaks her feet in a bucket.  Some people dissolve it in water and sip it throughout the day.

 

Yoga for calming (very simple poses can help greatly) some members have reported that "legs up the wall" pose helps their anxiety.

 

Audio:  First Aid for Panic (4 minutes)

 

If you are trying to meditate by yourself, you might find it easier to do it along to a video or audio.  Sleep Hypnosis, Guided Meditations, Calming Videos


Let's Talk Withdrawal    Podcasts - James Moore is looking for people to tell their stories

 

Antidepressants:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft; Cipramil CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks soon after)

Pristiq:  50mg mid 2012, 100mg beg 2014 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)     Current:  Pristiq 28mg (from 3 March 17)

 

Tapering history & graph

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

 

I've still got a way to go ... but I've already come a long way!!!

 

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.


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Posted 14 March 2017 - 04:37 PM

Have you tried Magnesium? Some members find that magnesium helps with anxiety. I personally have found that it takes the edge of my anxiety. some people use epsom salts in a bath. JanCarol soaks her feet in a bucket. Some people dissolve it in water and sip it throughout the day.

Yoga for calming (very simple poses can help greatly) some members have reported that "legs up the wall" pose helps their anxiety.

Audio: First Aid for Panic (4 minutes)

If you are trying to meditate by yourself, you might find it easier to do it along to a video or audio. Sleep Hypnosis, Guided Meditations, Calming Videos

Hi Chessie: These are great ideas. I had to stop magnesium last year, even sipping because I'm so sensitive. Also the salt baths turned against me.

Do you have a direct link to the yoga video? I'm not supposed to to back bends because of spondylolisthesis. I have the hardest time navigating on Beyond Meds but would love to see the yoga video. I just looked and didn't see it. :(

I meditate to an audio with headphones/sleep mask. It's very calming during and shortly afterwards.
I did legs on the wall for a few months to bring down the high heart rate which helped but didn't notice anxiety reduction. I'll check out the panic link.

I had facial burning/numbness which stopped a couple of months ago but I've noticed it returning. It seems that I'm scared of everything that I look at.

Thank you again, so very much,
Sheri
Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs
Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day
Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering.
Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea.
7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effexor after 4 mths of misery. Pooped out after 10 days.
9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden with fear, no appetite or feeling of being full.
10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg)
11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg.
11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime
12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.
Current meds:Effexor XR- 5 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2
mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16, increased to 65 mg.)Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg.

#152 brassmonkey

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 05:05 PM

Hi Sheri-- I'm sorry to hear that you're getting hit by such a bad wave.  Those cortisol spikes are no fun at all.  The best thing I can suggest is lots and lots of heavy distraction.  Do anything possible to take your mind off of things. Force yourself out of bed and go outside and talk to the flowers and clouds. Cortisol spikes are a physical thing so they have to work themselves out, but they will.

 

(((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))


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Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 07:14 PM

Hi Sheri-- I'm sorry to hear that you're getting hit by such a bad wave. Those cortisol spikes are no fun at all. The best thing I can suggest is lots and lots of heavy distraction. Do anything possible to take your mind off of things. Force yourself out of bed and go outside and talk to the flowers and clouds. Cortisol spikes are a physical thing so they have to work themselves out, but they will.

(((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))


Hi BrassMonkey,

Thank you. I'm growing so weary...
Big hugs to you also.

Take Care,
Sheri
Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs
Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day
Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering.
Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea.
7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effexor after 4 mths of misery. Pooped out after 10 days.
9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden with fear, no appetite or feeling of being full.
10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg)
11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg.
11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime
12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.
Current meds:Effexor XR- 5 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2
mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16, increased to 65 mg.)Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg.

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 12:06 PM

Hello Dear Moderators:

Please help me understand what's going on. I've been suffering daily, bedridden, HIGH anxiety, for almost a year now in April.

I'm at 9.5 mg on the Vyvanse taper. Hubby said it will be October until I'm off. The doses are minuscule towards the end to zero.
After a year, I'm not sure that my body will hold up another eight months.

Looking back, I wish I had reinstated the 18 mg that I jumped off at. Maybe I wouldn't have pooped out like I did with 5 beads after ten days. But, it's in the past. We do the best we can and move forward.

Have I reached tolerance with the 5 beads of Effexor?
Would updosing help or would reducing help?


Thank you so very much ❤
Sheri
Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs
Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day
Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering.
Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea.
7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effexor after 4 mths of misery. Pooped out after 10 days.
9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden with fear, no appetite or feeling of being full.
10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg)
11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg.
11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime
12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.
Current meds:Effexor XR- 5 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2
mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16, increased to 65 mg.)Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg.

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 12:56 PM

Have you had your thyroid test recently?  I am aware that this needs to be done regularly.


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Antidepressants:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft; Cipramil CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks soon after)

Pristiq:  50mg mid 2012, 100mg beg 2014 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)     Current:  Pristiq 28mg (from 3 March 17)

 

Tapering history & graph

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

 

I've still got a way to go ... but I've already come a long way!!!

 

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 10:21 PM

Hey Sheri!

 

Thanks for your warm thoughts for my "what's next" in the world of healthcare!  You asked a question on my thread, so I will post it here in full.

 

Dearest Jan, 


I'm soo sorry to hear about this. I was able to read some of it and just know that you will persevere!
I want to take your advice since recently being diagnosed with Hashimoto's and having many cortisol surges nightly since last July. 

Is this a good Thyroid panel to ask for? 
Does it cover everything? 
Should I also ask that cortisol levels be checked?

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Comprehensive Thyroid Panel
Item Catalog Number: LC100018
This panel contains the following tests:

Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH) - Evaluates overall thyroid function
Total Thyroxine (T4) - Measures the total amount of T4 produced by the thyroid gland
Free Thyroxine (T4) - Measures the amount of T4 available to the cells and tissues
Free Tri-iodothyronine (T3) - Measures the amount of T3 (the active form of the hormone) available to the cells and tissues
Reverse T3 - Measures the non-functioning form of the active hormone T3
Thyroglobulin antibody (ATA) - Often measured along with TPO, these antibodies can attack proteins involved in the production of thyroid hormones rendering them dysfunctional
Thyroid Peroxidase antibody (TPO) - Often measured along with ATA, these antibodies can attack proteins involved in the production of thyroid hormones rendering them dysfunctional

I'm praying for you, sweet girl!! ❤ 

 

Hey Sheri - this looks like a great profile!  Can I ask how much it costs?  Can you give me a link, so that I can share this with others?  I'll comment on cortisol in a moment.

 

Do you have any of this information historically?  So that you can compare your numbers to the last reading?  If you can, get whatever previous labs you can from your doctor.

 

One of the most powerful things I have done to take charge of my own understanding - is to keep my labs, right here, by my desk - so that when I read about something, I can look up my most recent labs.

 

ALSO, I can compare those labs over time - ah, this time the T4 was fine, but the T3 was low, even though TSH was almost nothing (and I felt good, but still having symptoms) - the last time - felt great - but T3 & T4 were really high, so she reduced my medication.  

 

Reverse T3 is one I've never gotten, but I may ask for next time.  The description there is accurate, but not precise.  It also shows how much T3 is being BLOCKED and unable to be utilized.  

There are so many very excellent articles here:  http://www.verywell.com

Here are 2 articles about Reverse T3:  

https://www.verywell...eatment-3233184

https://www.verywell...-weight-3976209

 

I spent about 2 weeks just reading articles about thyroid on that website.  Oh gosh, here's another one:

https://www.verywell...roidism-3232996

 

and the website conforms to the HONcode standard for trustworthy health information.

 

Cortisol - is a mixed bag for people in withdrawal.  It tends to be all over the chart.  It only captures a moment in time - so - because cortisol cycles daily, there are things about the cortisol tests which are less than informative.  A cortisol blood test only captures "right now."  A 24 hour spit test - tries to capture a few points in the cycle - but - what if you get the wrong times?

 

The first time I did a cortisol test, I spit at the times on the instructions.  Except they were not in concordance with my sleep cycle.  The spit test made it look like I was dead.  I wasn't (obviously) but it didn't give an accurate reflection of that 24 hour cycle for me.  I also did not take notes (I had a fitbit, which at least recorded my sleep times, but I no longer have that).  

I will take the 24 hour test again, but I'm in a different place to you.  This time, I will correlate it to my sleep / wake cycle.  I will take notes on paper about when I am comfortable / uncomfortable / eating / drinking / exercising / etc.

 

Remember - I don't have a thyroid or ovaries.  So my adrenals are definitely working hard and sensitive to stress, diet, changes in my environment.  You have a better O-A-T (Ovaries - Adrenal - Thyroid) tripod than I do (my "tripod" has only one leg) - so I would stick with testing and optimising the thyroid, and working with that, and save the cortisol for later. Also - I have been off the drugs for over a year now, so I am (gradually) returning to my base state.

 

It's great to hear from you - sorry I haven't been around to catch up!

 

I have to go for now, but I'll think about your anxiety / Effexor / Vyvanse thing, and try and come up with something intelligible later.

 

My first thought - I wonder if your hormone (estrogen / progesterone / testosterone)  profile has changed in withdrawal, and I wonder if maybe your body is using them differently than before, when you went on them?

 

I'm so sorry this is so hard for you.  What would you say is your "base state"

 

more fatigue?  or more anxious?  are you jittery?  or exhausted?  

 

I remember we were afraid that as you went off the Vyvanse, that you would collapse into a blob of heap of helpless.  Can you give me some adjectives / descriptives (not using diagnosis words - because my heart "thing" could be called "anxiety" but it's really just the way my heart moves) to help me understand better?

 

Hang in there, dear lady - and maybe teach me how to make those love hearts? <3 doesn't seem to get it.


"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.

 

Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 12:16 PM

Hi Jan, I'm very unwell today. I'll do my best. I'm sorry.
Here's the link for the thyroid panel. http://www.lifeexten...anel-Blood-Test
I do have previous labs to compare.

I'm due for my annual exam but riding in the car last Sunday made me feel so off balance. I'll try get in soon. I agree that my hormones need to be checked.

I have a new symptom, for several weeks now that's getting worse. VERY dry mouth with sticky, gooey sour taste. I was awakened every couple of hours last night, sat up holding water in my mouth to no avail. My tongue, soft palette, etc hardens and I'm not able to swallow until the water softens them up a bit. Like a very dry sponge, almost like it could break. There's some burning too.

Hubby gave me Biotene Oral Rinse for dry mouth this morning. It helped but I must be sensitive to it. My heart began pounding with shortness of breath. I also have mitral valve prolapse. I won't be taking any more and don't know how I'm going to be able to sleep now.

My base is high anxiety and obsessive, irrational thoughts. Scared of everything. I'm beginning to feel very tired maybe from cortisol surges 5-6 times during the night now accompanied with being very hot when they wake me.

No motivation. Some days horrible depression. Still no appetite or feeling of being full. Allergy/histamine issue (using Flonase which could be causing the dry mouth. Vyvanse is also notorious)
The only improvement I've seen is with my bowels. Facial burning is somewhat better. It comes and goes.

I could go to an oral surgeon to get the hard/dry mouth checked out but I feel he would give me meds that I can't take and it's extremely difficult to get in the car because of the anxiety and motion.

I feel that I'm losing ground and afraid I've damaged my CNS and adrenals. I'd really like to consider updosing the beads.

Thank you, dear Jan ❤
(The heart is an emoji on my phone)
Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs
Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day
Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering.
Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea.
7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effexor after 4 mths of misery. Pooped out after 10 days.
9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden with fear, no appetite or feeling of being full.
10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg)
11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg.
11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime
12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.
Current meds:Effexor XR- 5 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2
mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16, increased to 65 mg.)Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg.

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 12:29 PM

Have you had your thyroid test recently? I am aware that this needs to be done regularly.


Hi Chessie:

Yes, I was recently diagnosed with Hashimoto's. I go in every three months. He's increased the dosage twice. I'm on 65 mg of Nature Throid.

Thank you!
Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs
Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day
Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering.
Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea.
7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effexor after 4 mths of misery. Pooped out after 10 days.
9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden with fear, no appetite or feeling of being full.
10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg)
11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg.
11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime
12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.
Current meds:Effexor XR- 5 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2
mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16, increased to 65 mg.)Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:41 AM

I'm getting worse. Please help. I've begun shaking with fear. I'm afraid the Barrett's Esophagus will worsen leading to Esophagus cancer from the acid reflux. I'm paralyzed with fear on many things because if I take something I'll only become worse. The sour, burning in my mouth is a constant reminder. If I see the doctor, she will want to scope and drug me with Flagyl to sedate me. She scoped me about five years ago when I was tapering klonopin too fast. I was in horrible shape for about a year afterwards. It was a nightmare.

I can't distract anymore.

I feel stuck with no way out. There are other health issues that need attention but I can't do anything. I'm I shaking now and waving the white flag. Please help me.

Should I go up to seven beads for a few days as Jan mentioned a few months ago for a certain number of days? (4-5?). If I feel better, increase by one bead every few days or every day until I reach a certain amount? What do you recommend?

I'm in desperate mode.

I answered Jan's questions above. Please help.
Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs
Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day
Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering.
Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea.
7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effexor after 4 mths of misery. Pooped out after 10 days.
9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden with fear, no appetite or feeling of being full.
10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg)
11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg.
11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime
12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.
Current meds:Effexor XR- 5 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2
mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16, increased to 65 mg.)Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 10:07 AM

Hey Sheri - 

 

Thanks for the link!  That's a comprehensive panel, and a fair price for getting what you want.

 

Please let me know how your Rev T3 comes out - I'm really curious about that number - they say you can learn a lot from it.

 

Your symptoms - I don't know if an increase will help you.

 

But here's the thing (remember this rule for the future) - you are on a tiny tiny tiny amount of this drug.  

 

You don't need my permission to adjust it - the only thing I will scold you for is if you adjust it frequently and then wonder why you are not stable.

 

If you want, try a 1 bead increase, ever 4 days.  I would suggest that you not go over 10 beads.  But if you sign in and say you went up to 15 and feel better, I will not scold you!  Feeling better is what we're about, right?

 

I really don't know about how the drugs can help you with your medical problems.  I really don't think that it's a magic bullet that's going to eliminate all of your symptoms, but if a slight increase helps, I wouldn't dream of denying you that!

 

(you'll have to talk to Effexor experts - or maybe your hubby knows - how many mg are in 5 beads)

 

I've been listening to the most Powerful meditation you posted - and it really is beautiful.  I love it!  Keep listening to that!  I just heard another one called "Trauma Recovery" that is very beautiful and subtle, and pleasurable.


"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.

 

Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!


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Posted 18 March 2017 - 11:45 AM

Your symptoms - I don't know if an increase will help you.

 

But here's the thing (remember this rule for the future) - you are on a tiny tiny tiny amount of this drug.  

 

You don't need my permission to adjust it - the only thing I will scold you for is if you adjust it frequently and then wonder why you are not stable.

 

If you want, try a 1 bead increase, ever 4 days.  I would suggest that you not go over 10 beads.  But if you sign in and say you went up to 15 and feel better, I will not scold you!  Feeling better is what we're about, right?

 

I really don't know about how the drugs can help you with your medical problems.  I really don't think that it's a magic bullet that's going to eliminate all of your symptoms, but if a slight increase helps, I wouldn't dream of denying you that!

 

(you'll have to talk to Effexor experts - or maybe your hubby knows - how many mg are in 5 beads)

 

Jan, I'm concerned about what you said in a previous reply a few months ago, that you were afraid of poop out at 10 beads, which I don't want. I'd like to get up to a higher dose and after a while taper down very slowly. Is this a wise thing to do? I don't want to get up to the 18 mg that I jumped from only to become more ill.

Scally said in a reply that the high anxiety could be from the Vyvanse or even the 5 beads and I might need to actually reduce the beads. I'm so confused.

I went with my gut and took 7 beads this morning. Now I'm obsessing about what to do. The symptoms have been horrible for so very long. I can't make a rational decision. Maybe I should go back to five beads tomorrow. I would probably get relief from 10 beads but only for a short time, I'm afraid. I don't know...

What would you do if you were me? I'm so scared.

Hubby just said 5 beads are 1.875 mg.


Edited by ChessieCat, 18 March 2017 - 02:28 PM.
fixed up quote

Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs
Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day
Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering.
Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea.
7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effexor after 4 mths of misery. Pooped out after 10 days.
9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden with fear, no appetite or feeling of being full.
10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg)
11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg.
11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime
12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.
Current meds:Effexor XR- 5 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2
mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16, increased to 65 mg.)Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:36 PM

Thank you, Chessie for fixing the quote for me. 😊

Jan,

Thank you for the calming link. I love it!!

I took the seven beads before I got your message. How many should I take in the morning and should I add one in four days or wait longer if this is still the plan?

Thank you for being so patient with me. ❤ (I'll see if there's a link for desktop emojis.)

I hope you're feeling well and having a great day!!
Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs
Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day
Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering.
Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea.
7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effexor after 4 mths of misery. Pooped out after 10 days.
9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden with fear, no appetite or feeling of being full.
10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg)
11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg.
11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime
12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.
Current meds:Effexor XR- 5 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2
mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16, increased to 65 mg.)Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 08:22 PM

Sheri, I'm afraid that if you keep increasing, you'll only be able to get a result from an increase.  I think that's what I meant by "poop out."

 

You may be in "poop out," now.  There is no magic dose.  That's why Scally suggested a decrease.  

 

I know it's confusing - but here's the thing - you've made a decision, let's stick with it and see how it goes.

 

If 7 beads is better, we'll know we're on the right track.

 

If 7 beads is worse, we'll have an idea, too.

 

With the  tapering of the Vyvanse, it's hard to say what is stable for you.  I was hoping we could get through the Vyvanse taper while leaving Efexor alone - but you really are struggling.   Please hold on Vyvanse taper while you make this adjustment to Effexor.  Treat it as a change, and give it a month to settle down before starting tapering again.

 

I wish I could reach through the internets and personally thrash the doctors that did this to you!

 

So - first updose - first day - any changes at all?

 

Breathe, you can get through this!  


"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.

 

Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 01:22 PM

I never dreamed that the anxiety could get worse with just two extra beads of Effexor. I'm going back to five beads tomorrow. The torment is excruciating.
Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs
Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day
Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering.
Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea.
7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effexor after 4 mths of misery. Pooped out after 10 days.
9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden with fear, no appetite or feeling of being full.
10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg)
11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg.
11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime
12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.
Current meds:Effexor XR- 5 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2
mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16, increased to 65 mg.)Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg.

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 06:33 PM

I am so sorry, Sheri.  Well, at least we know not to try that again!

 

Breathe.

 

Breathe again.

 

Steady as she goes.

 

Have you listened to any Claire Weekes lately?

Dr. Claire Weekes - Recovering from a Sensitized Nervous System


"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.

 

Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 09:59 AM

I am so sorry, Sheri. Well, at least we know not to try that again!

Breathe.

Breathe again.

Steady as she goes.

Have you listened to any Claire Weekes lately?
Dr. Claire Weekes - Recovering from a Sensitized Nervous System


Yes, no more of that. Thanks for reminding me of Claire Weekes. I'll read it again. I have her audible on Hope and Help For Your Nerves but may need to get it in print.
Do you have a favorite book of her's?

I'm so exhausted these days but the Vyvanse won't let me nap.

As always, thank you so very much!!
Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs
Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day
Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering.
Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea.
7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effexor after 4 mths of misery. Pooped out after 10 days.
9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden with fear, no appetite or feeling of being full.
10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg)
11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg.
11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime
12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.
Current meds:Effexor XR- 5 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2
mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16, increased to 65 mg.)Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 05:15 AM

Sheri. I noticed that you wanted a yoga video link :  This is what I came up with - I hope it's the right one . If not - it's still a good one to try.

 

https://beyondmeds.c... nervous system

 

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