btdt Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 https://www.madinamerica.com/2016/08/interview-researcher-runs-trial-antidepressant-withdrawal/ I asked for it didn't I ... I did I once said I should not have to rely on an internet group like SA or any other website to survive a health issue and for it to be the only decent help available to me... I said that once now an attempt is being made to give me what I ask for... and now I don't want it... why well they are cherry picking only the healthy well people will be looked at. if you had a sar your out in the cold...if your getting a divorce cause your dopamine went too low and you began risk taking and acting up... your not allowed. So right off the bat they are taking out the people who have had a real problem with antidepressants...those I might add who are in the most dire need and tossing them aside. That is where they real help is needed at exactly those places broken by these drugs... hence I am sure they will come to the wrong conclusions...that give the stamp of approval to the long term use of these meds and lower the number of people suffering wd to the those tossed in the heap at the beginning. They will offer a resource like SA for the ones who make the grade.... no I did not read it all I don't need to... I have seen this sort of "study" before....designed to keep the lies going and the drugs selling. Could I be wrong ya could be am I no. It does mention SA and CEP Whitaker and Joanna Moncrieff as resources.... can they take all the good from all these people and still come up with the wrong answer... it depends on who is paying for the trial... and what the real intent is. And who is paying for it... who is paying for this? I don't know but I do believe it makes a difference. Yes call me jaded I wear the title with pride at this point. I suspect the real intent may be to deal with those who have not had a reaction and drugged higher to treat the reaction.. or had a reaction and had it identified but with the long term affects of a reaction not understood and trivialised. So if you start with the cream of the crop your going to get the best case scenario.... unfortunately that will not out the reactions or the worst things they drugs do... only the simple wd... which I guess should be studied. I think we know most of what needs to be know about this already we need some help with reactions... how to recover why it takes so long and much more public noise about identifying reactions to keep people from being harmed further sometimes being drugs for decades... all starting from a reaction that made them crazy. Yes I am never satisfied... the reactions are damaging too many people and until these drugs are reigned in prescribing harnessed more people who are not mentally ill are going to get caught in the widely flung net because the dangers of these drugs are muzzled. If you read the first comment at the link above I think it says about the same but as what I am talking about here.. in a completely different way. I don't want to see the cream of the crop be studied with the rest of us left in the woods... while the medical community washes there hands of us as write offs while still handing out these drugs willy nilly. Basically allows things to go on as they are since they now have an answer for wd... just do it right bingo... that is not the entire story. It is a chapter... not the book. It is however what this trial will look at and it will cherry pick the people. As with all other studies we have to wait and see I guess... seems to me this one is way too limited. Just my opinion. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 the first post from replies "TRM123 on August 3, 2016 at 5:31 pm said: Why is AKATHISIA in inverted comma’s?This is the most dangerous of the array of toxicities of SSRI’s and evidence continues to be published linking SSRIs / psycholeptic induced suicidality and homicidality to cytochrome CYP 450 genomic variants. This indicates impaired metabolism of SSRIs causing AKATHISIA and it’s catastrophic sequalae. Hence it’s relevance in forensic psychiatry.I fear that this acute, life threatening, and indeed life destroying neurotoxic, extra-pyramidal movement disorder is poorly recognised and under-diagnosed.In the UK it is seldom “yellow carded.”It is perhaps more likely to be misdiagnosed as a Serious Mental Illness and then made worse by detention and enforced further toxicity with SSRI’/SNRI’s and antipsychotics. This diagnostic failure is because these medications, via akathisia, can cause extreme and unusual psychological and behaviour changes dominated by overwhelming agitation. As Eikelenboom, Lucire and Fogelman published in the Journal of Forensic and Legal Medicine earlier this year: – “The combination of medication, fluctuating restlessness, suicidality, aggression and toxic hallucination are pathognomonic of akathisia. We cannot find any other diagnosis in medical taxonomy that combines suicidal and aggressive thoughts with medication, nor any other that recedes when the culprit drug has been taken away”. Once this is acknowledged maybe we can make some real headway. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Will one person please respond to this so I know that my posts are not blocked or something I am starting to think all my posts are blocked as there is never any response to any of them.... or is it that I am out of touch. At such a late stage of wd that I no longer can talk endlessly about wd symptoms maybe that is why long time protracted wd people just stop coming here our interests in the symptoms wains after a decade we no longer believe this is just a wd issue this long term but damage that will likely last forever. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz11 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Relax btdt, sounds like you are moving into the next wdl phase being...'paranoia' lol !! Great post im just reading it now ....give me a chance will you !! We dont all read at the btdt rate of a thousand miles an hour Just read this We are excluding people with a history of recurrent depression that keeps relapsing (more than two previous episodes), those who have ongoing risk factors, life events and difficulties in their lives that are likely to make relapse more common, those under psychiatric care, and those with a history of psychiatric comorbidity. Otherwise we are very happy to work with them. I guarantee that recurring depression that keeps relapsing is simply withdrawal symptoms. These are the very people who they should be helping for goodness sake!! And as you said those whose lives have been shipwrecked are now being discarded on the waste heap of ever growing iatrogenically ruined. anyway back to the reading.... Hey good to see ou are back in action again i wa beginning to wonder what had happened to you. nz11 Later Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz11 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Now i am getting disappointed, The primary outcome will be measured at six months, but we are going to be measuring depression more frequently than that – every six weeks. We are going to use the PHQ2 every week and the PHQ9 every six weeks to measure depression and if the PHQ2 is positive for depression that will trigger a conversation with a mental health worker to decide if the participant needs to go back to see their doctor. The PHQ9 is simply a clever pharma drag net to get more people drugged said to be 'validated' and written by a man called R Sptizer who was tasked with overseeing the writing of DSM-III, it was Pfizer from memory who i believe hired him to write the phq9 questionnaire and then call it validated all funded by pfizer of course. A person who is a bit more fidgety than normal can get a 'depression' diagnosis. Havent seen a phq2 before. I wonder what pharma company wrote and funded that then? im sure they paid some big gun a small fortune to have it 'validated'. Now here is the thing ...there is not one question in the phq9 that refers to symptoms caused by drug withdrawal which masquerade as depression so these researchers are once again going to be calling wdl 'relapse' are they not. Look if they want to know what wdl is like then why dont they get 50 healthy people perhaps doctors and feed them all an ssri for a year then CT them and then get them to take out a notepad and pencil and start noting the manifestations. the primary outcome is measured at 6 months what does that mean? taper schedules are not longer than 6 months? Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz11 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Dee Mangin, from the University of Otago, New Zealand, who has carried out a placebo controlled trial of withdrawal from antidepressants. She has a protocol from that study that looks at those factors and is quite successful at distinguishing between withdrawal and depression....This hasn’t been published yet, but it is about to come out. A placebo controlled trial on wdl. Does that mean some people may think they are tapering but in actual fact arent tapering at all ? Well i look forward to reading this study. nz11 Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz11 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Lets cut to the chase very roughly speaking, what we’re advising people here is this: If you’ve been on antidepressants for a few weeks, it’s going to take days to get off them; if you’ve been on them for a few months, you’re going to need weeks to get off them; and if you’ve been on a few years, you’re going to need months to get off them. This creates an expectation that helps prevent coming off them too quickly. I cant help but think that with these taper specifics may produce a lot of 'depressed' withdrawal suffering people . Cessation will be measured by the proportion of people who stop their antidepressant during the trial. We are hoping that at least 20% will be able to stop their antidepressant compared to about 7%, which is the figure you get for usual care over a single year. Gee currently they can only get 7% of people to stop their ads.....this is scary stuff.... I wonder how many of these are followed for longer than a year and i wonder how many succumb to wdl symptoms or the triggering of wdl symptoms in the second yr and ri.That would mean the 7% is actually overstated. i assume days means less than a week weeks means less than a month and Months means less than a year. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz11 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Tapering procedures also differ by antidepressant and some of them have more problems than others. Fluoxetine, with a long half-life, doesn’t tend to create quite as many problems if you stop it slowly, and you can go on to liquid form in order to drop your dose in degrees. Paroxetine, on the other hand, has a short half-life, and that can cause a lot of problems. We don’t really prescribe a lot of paroxetine here these days. Citalopram and sertraline are probably somewhere in the middle. So it varies with the drug, it varies with the individual, and you need to be prepared to stop them slowly and monitor the patients while they stop them. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz11 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Is it my imagination or does it seem that akathisia in withdrawal is being totally overlooked or dismissed? It seems that people think you only get akathisia on start up. While I haven’t seen as much on this related to withdrawal, I wouldn’t be surprised to see that people get anxious and that might make them more impulsive. !?!! Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz11 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Tapering procedures also differ by antidepressant and some of them have more problems than others. Fluoxetine, with a long half-life, doesn’t tend to create quite as many problems if you stop it slowly, and you can go on to liquid form in order to drop your dose in degrees. Paroxetine, on the other hand, has a short half-life, and that can cause a lot of problems. We don’t really prescribe a lot of paroxetine here these days. Citalopram and sertraline are probably somewhere in the middle. So it varies with the drug, it varies with the individual, and you need to be prepared to stop them slowly and monitor the patients while they stop them. The all have problems Tony very serious problems regardless of the half life. "We don’t really prescribe a lot of paroxetine here these days." Go on about that ... Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 I'd be interested to see if they differentiate between multiple episodes pre and post meds, but it seems not? 2005 St John's Wort / 2006-2012 Lexapro 20mg, 2 failed attempts to stop, tapered over 4.5 months in early 2012 January 2013 started Sertraline, over time worked up to 100mg July 2014 Sertraline dropped from 100mg to 75mg, held for six months, slower tapering until 2019 22 Dec 3.2mg 2020 Sertraline 19 Jan 3.1mg, 26 Jan 3.0mg; 1 Mar 2.9, 7 Mar 2.8, May (some drops here) 24 May 2.5, May 29 2.4, June 21 2.3, June 28 2.2mg, July 4 2.1mg, July 24 (or maybe a bit before) 2mg, early Nov switched to home made suspension; 29 Nov 1.8mg; approx 25 Dec 1.6mg) 2021 Some time in about Jan/Feb realised probably on more like 1.8mg and poss mixing error in making suspension; doses after 10 Feb accurate; 10 Feb 1.6mg; 7 Mar 1.4, continued monthly 10% drops until 1mg, then dropped 0.1mg monthly. May 2022,0.1mg, now dropping 0.01mg per week 29 August 2022 - first day of zero! My thread here at SA: https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/1775-bubbles/page/21/ Current: Armour Thyroid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz11 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 i was saddened to read this Luke Montagu of CEP, for instance, will tell you that some of his problems have been permanent really. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz11 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 I am sure that there will be people who are unable to come off of antidepressants and that that will be one of our outcomes in this study. i am glad they are going to be noting this and not hiding it. If their taper schedule max's out at 6 months then these numbers could be very high. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz11 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 btdt are you out there. Apologies for my cheeky comments. Glad you are posting again i was missing you. Peace Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 I like your cheeky comments never change for me I love you the way you are perfect! as for this study it was a while back that I read it I am not here much cause I have a movement disorder and or something I am tired a lot frustrated as hell a lot and confused about where to move to next what next is and many other implications.... it is all my stuff none of it to do with anything you have ever said please know that. It did not take me long reading this to see this was another pig they were putting a dress on... and naming it "Enchanted" a pig by any other name is a pig no disrespect to pigs. Maybe they read here and thought they better get a jump on a study before we crowd funded a ton of cash and hire Glenmullen to do a read study... as if.... I have been doing this a long time I am jaded and I am when I am working right up on this stuff I have a list in such situations and they did not make the cut with this study... if they are going to do and do it properly great if they are going to do it like previous studies well why bother reading it.... just more of the same. Headge the wd flurry people maybe talking about and say we have all the answers to it.. when they just put a dress on it and they picked the cutest of pigs of course and put some lipstick on it too.... I am thinking of being a vegetarian some days I shift back and forth as I feel sorry for the animals and the way they are raised ect.... likely not good for me either but at this moment I think I could eat some bacon and just forget about this study it is more pharma slight of hand and I am sick and tired of it. I do enjoy watching you pick things apart with your great worker ethics I am glad somebody does I think I use to do that now I recoil in disgust when I see half baked attempts to keep the truth of this hidden.... it feel extremely disrespectful...like a rapist coming to tell me why he is going to rape all the others he can get his hand on and expecting me to listen and pat him on the back.... or give him a list of names so he can find some more victims to keep on the string for a lifetime. Sorry if I tend to disregard this after the first post I see thru and I don't want to play with them... I know what they are I don't want to associate. They think they know us but they don't one day we will prove that to them...if we can. We know them is the key and we will apply what we know about them and how they do business to their entire enterprise not just these drugs... that is their mistake or so I think. People are waking up I see it all over I may not be around to see the end play and that is ok too. wishing you peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 Now i am getting disappointed, The primary outcome will be measured at six months, but we are going to be measuring depression more frequently than that – every six weeks. We are going to use the PHQ2 every week and the PHQ9 every six weeks to measure depression and if the PHQ2 is positive for depression that will trigger a conversation with a mental health worker to decide if the participant needs to go back to see their doctor. The PHQ9 is simply a clever pharma drag net to get more people drugged said to be 'validated' and written by a man called R Sptizer who was tasked with overseeing the writing of DSM-III, it was Pfizer from memory who i believe hired him to write the phq9 questionnaire and then call it validated all funded by pfizer of course. A person who is a bit more fidgety than normal can get a 'depression' diagnosis. Havent seen a phq2 before. I wonder what pharma company wrote and funded that then? im sure they paid some big gun a small fortune to have it 'validated'. Now here is the thing ...there is not one question in the phq9 that refers to symptoms caused by drug withdrawal which masquerade as depression so these researchers are once again going to be calling wdl 'relapse' are they not. Look if they want to know what wdl is like then why dont they get 50 healthy people perhaps doctors and feed them all an ssri for a year then CT them and then get them to take out a notepad and pencil and start noting the manifestations. the primary outcome is measured at 6 months what does that mean? taper schedules are not longer than 6 months? Look if they want to know what wdl is like then why dont they get 50 healthy people perhaps doctors and feed them all an ssri for a year then CT them and then get them to take out a notepad and pencil and start noting the manifestations In one of my dusty books is a story just like that they gave a group of docs and lab people one pill all was well a good long time... Till one of them started to talk... one pill... I can't recall which drug or which dusty book it is in. and like us when one person started to talk they all chimed in with their own stories. When I find it again I will send you a amazon link to the book. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockingchaircat Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 *We are excluding people with a history of recurrent depression that keeps relapsing (more than two previous episodes), those who have ongoing risk factors, life events and difficulties in their lives that are likely to make relapse more common, those under psychiatric care, and those with a history of psychiatric comorbidity. Otherwise we are very happy to work with them* And in the article I see several several references to the item called: LifeGuide. Reading between the lines- I'd imagine that it's something that will either be charged for, or will end up giving the originator some personal aggrandizement. Get charged every time you call- and goodness gracious- considering that I'm on day 458 of a too rapid taper...the $$$ really would've added up. That's Medicos for ya, making money off of our misery. 1)Zoloft- 6/99 to 8/04 2)Escitalopram- 8/04 to 8/10 3)Citalopram 8/10 to 4/14 (C/T), 4)Paxil a week or so, 5)Wellbutrin a week or so, 6)Reinstated Citalopram- 9/14 to 7/15 Before Taper- Celexa/20 mg....Taper Start- 04/21/15- 15mg....05/26/15- 10 mg...06/22/15- 5 mg...07/18/15- 0mg. http://tinyurl.com/qjfoqe9 Ativan/Lorazepam use/taper 10/14 to 2/15- http://tinyurl.com/ljebp84 Baclofen- Intermittent use of from 2008 till 2014. Some use of Promethazine. Some use of Zofran. Clobetasol Propionate- for Lichen Planus. Some Flexeril use. Ativan- GABA,A receptor Agonist., Baclofen- GABA,B receptor Agonist., Celexa/Lexapro- Serotonin 5-HT1A Receptor Agonist., Zofran- Serotonin 5-HT3 Receptor Agonist..Promethazine- Histamine H1-Receptor Antagonist. Flexeril- Serotonin 5HT2a Antagonist. My self imposed Amino Acid Therapy: Tyrosine 500mg 1xday, Theanine 200 mg 1xday, & Taurine 500 mg 2x day. (All neurotransitter pre-cursors)- seems to have helped me immensely. And of course- eating healthy, including Black Beans for the oligosaccharides for gut health. The attempt to develop a sense of humor and to see things in a humorous light is some kind of trick learned while mastering the Art of Living. - Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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