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#1 Altostrata

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:22 AM

Magnesium can be calming and reduce anxiety, like a calcium channel blocker. I can't believe we don't have a topic about magnesium!
 
Our diets often don't supply us with enough magnesium, which is important for nervous system health and autonomic regulation, as well as just about every operation in the body.
 
Don't overdo taking magnesium -- too much will give you diarrhea. Start with 25mg. (I was never able to take more than 50mg-75mg at a time, but others can take much more.) To start, you will want to get 100mg tablets you can cut up or 100mg capsules you can open, so you can try a lower dose and gradually increase if you wish.
 
Drug stores most often carry magnesium carbonate, but magnesium citrate is a type that's gentler on your stomach and absorbs well.

Some people think magnesium glycinate, a chelate, has even better absorption, is easier on the gut, and has other health benefits. See Chris Kresser http://chriskresser...._prevention.pdf

Purchase Albion magnesium glycinate if you can find it. Be sure to look for an authentic Albion process magnesium glycinate chelate. These products are carried by Bluebonnet, Designs for Health, Life Zone, Metagenics, Olymp Laboratories (Poland), Optimal Nutrients, Solgar, Swanson, Trophic (Canada), and other brands.

Another option is homemade magnesium bicarbonate water, see http://survivinganti...dpost__p__53698

I found if I dissolved magnesium citrate in ice water and sipped it, this reduced withdrawal anxiety quite a bit.

Some people get magnesium by taking hot baths in Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate). Others rub on magnesium oil. The magnesium is absorbed through the skin. This is a another way of taking magnesium.

If you take too much magnesium, you will know because you'll get stomach cramps or diarrhea. Reduce the amount you're taking if these things occur.


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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:44 AM

There is also liquid magnesium. Not sure what that is. Magnesium is muscle relaxant, maybe you mentioned that. Used alot w horses as calmative that doesn't test (as opposed to valerian). Thiamin also calming. Magnesium is also a primary nutrient in horses w metabolic disorders (Insulin Resistance, Cushings, ACTH, cortisol abnormalities). If only i could correlate this random knowledge...
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 06:58 PM

You're doing a pretty good job, Bar!
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:13 PM

Magnesium's effects on me are potent. 25mg produces a drunk-like, slouching state of stupor/listlessness sometimes accompanied by muscle cramping. I wonder if it would be beneficial to use very small doses to reacquire a tolerance.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:42 PM

Alex, Perhaps a short epsom salt bath might be a way to absorb magnesium while avoiding your GI system.? I've been surprised by how quickly it is absorbed thru skin, so do be cautious w that if you try. I usually use a full small box (like a mini carton of milk) in a warm bath--a fairly heavy dose.
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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:38 AM

Right, alex, maybe a little less would give you some benefits? I've heard the effects of magnesium absorbed through the skin are gentler. On the other hand, everyone is different and some people just can't take mag. Usually, though, it is well-tolerated (as they say), even among people with withdrawal hypersensitivity.
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 10:29 AM

I just realized that my brain zaps came back after I started taking Magnesium. Still not sure if it's the Magnesium or not though. Has anyone had this happen?
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 05:47 PM

That seems odd, but you can always conduct an experiment. Don't take the mag for a few days and see if you get zaps anyway. After a while with no zaps, try the mag again.
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Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:17 PM

I've tried taking 10mg at night. It sure helps me sleep but I wake up dizzy and feeling like my brain is rattling in my skull. This disorientation gets worse, walking in a straight line becomes harder. Morning 2 is worse than 1 and three will bring more disorientation than 2. I've not taken past three consecutive nights for reasons sufficiently explained by commonsense. Alex

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 06:22 PM

Lol!
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 11:25 AM

Maybe try 5mg? How about a little in a nice bath, Alex?
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Posted 24 December 2011 - 01:50 PM

I am going to try magnesium baths a bit. That's a good idea. Alex

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 04:06 PM

FYI--i just bought epsom salt lotion at CVS Will report back
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Posted 25 December 2011 - 02:35 PM

I'd like to find out about that! I didn't know it existed.
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Posted 25 December 2011 - 03:11 PM

It's new or so says the sticker on the bottle I used some on my neck and it seemed to relax the muscles a bit I came across another topical magnesium spray in a pharmacy in Texas NOTE: Do not spray mag salt on freshly shaven legs or _________ (fill in body part) CVS store brand
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Posted 25 December 2011 - 04:07 PM

Here are instructions on how to make your own Epsom salts lotion http://www.thegfcfla...om-salt-lotion/ And how to make magnesium cream http://www.herbal-tr...sium-cream.html (you can skip the lavender oil) Hmmm, I have tons of mag citrate capsules, maybe I'll try this.
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Posted 25 December 2011 - 06:50 PM

Especially for people who can't tolerate the digestive discomfort of taking it orally, that seems like a good idea.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 11:38 AM

I'm too lazy to go to the trouble of dissolving the mag in warm water and mixing it into lotion. Last night, I mixed 600mg mag citrate into about 50mL of some thick body lotion. Mag salts are 55% soluble in water, the body lotion had water as its first ingredient. The mixture was a little grainy going on, but seemed to dissolve fine on my skin. I'd say my experiment was a success. I think this would be particularly good to use if you have muscle cramps in your legs. It might even relax tightness in the chest, if it's caused by muscle tightness, or jaw clenching.
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Posted 26 December 2011 - 11:50 AM

Lol ;) I'm impressed ~i didn't even think to make it on my own
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Posted 26 December 2011 - 06:17 PM

There is something called "magnesium oil" which is really just magnesium chloride dissolved in as little water as possible (called oil because it feels oily). I think you can also do it with magnesium sulfate. I'm going to try it for my weird neck & lower back pain. Also, check out this site: http://www.ancient-m...esium-chloride/ I found it while I was looking for the differences between magnesium chloride (which I can get really easily and cheaply) and magnesium citrate. IGNORE THE STUFF THEY ARE SELLING, AS YOU CAN MAKE IT YOURSELF FOR MUCH CHEAPER. The info on the site is interesting. I'm still researching it since a lot of people are making a whole lot of claims for magnesium and sometimes they seem exaggerated, but this site seems well-documented (at least they list their sources so you can fact-check). There is a chart on the page that compares the bioavailability of different types of magnesium, and apparently magnesium chloride is very good in that respect. When I'm less tired I'll try to make a list of the more interesting claims.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 09:59 AM

Interesting. Next time I buy magnesium, I'll have to look for mag chloride. I've found Magnesium gluconate, Magnesium lactate, and Magnesium malate are readily available on the Web, too. Agree you can mix up your own mag oil. The instructions above about warming up some water and dissolving magnesium salts in it basically tell you how. It's very simple. You could do it in an old soy sauce bottle and put your own cute label on it. By the way, I found that the mag citrate mixed into my hand cream has dissolved further but caused the hand cream to separate, so there's some water in it now. I rubbed it on my achy knees and I do believe it made them feel warm and took the ache away.
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Posted 27 December 2011 - 11:18 AM

Yes ~ warm is exactly what I felt with the cvs cream • comforting
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Posted 01 January 2012 - 02:03 AM

I've been using mag chloride oil lately. I have also been taking supplements. I remain sensitiive but far less so than I was before. In October I started drinking coffee again to help with gastrointestinal problems. But by late November I started having problems. Digging around online, I suspected my problem was some sort of an electrolyte imbalance due to the combo of being on a reflux diet and the increased urinary excretion of electrolytes caused by caffeine. I overdid it a bit, probably taking 300 mg of magnesium via ingestion and dermal submersion. I was also thrown in jail. I think the magnesium is somewhat dehydrating and definitely sedating. Also my short term memory has been crap and some research turned up possible interaction with benzos that would impair memory. I will probably see my doctor this week because it has now been a month... Usually he is clueless. He's a really nice man though and seems concerned about me and my brain. The waters are just not charted so it's often a mutual waste of time. Finally, has anyone had any eye twitching that resolved with mag therapy? Allex

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 01:22 PM

Mag *is* dehydrating -- it draws water into the gut, which is how an excessive amount can cause diarrhea. I'm finding rubbing the mag mixture on my knees is taking away about 90% of my knee pain. It's a miracle! I thought I was heading for knee replacement for sure. I guess it turns out to be tight muscles, no surprise, since so many of my aches and pains seem to be from that. (The mag made the thick body cream completely separate into a mixture of the consistency of milk. Mag must counteract the emulsifier. Most of that body cream turned out to be water, exactly as indicated on the label, water being listed as the first ingredient. But it still works fine.) I had eye twitching on and off for quite a while, also some eye watering and drooling on the same side of my mouth as the eye twitching. One might surmise a nerve on that side was involved. But it all did go away. alex, how about rubbing a little mag cream on the side of your face near your eye? I wouldn't put it very close to the eye. Maybe it will calm the region.
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Posted 02 January 2012 - 03:05 PM

I've been trying to research how much magnesium I should be taking, as I I was starting to think I might have been overdoing it. So far, I've come up with a couple of interesting facts I thought I should share:

1. The amount of "elemental magnesium" in different types of magnesium supplements REALLY varies. So, 100mg of say, magnesium oxide is not equivalent to 100mg of magnesium citrate. The amounts of elemental magnesium for different magnesium preparations are the following:

Magnesium oxide 60%
Magnesium citrate 16%
Magnesium chloride 12%
Magnesium lactate 12%
Magnesium sulfate 10%

(source: http://ods.od.nih.go...heets/magnesium)

So this is something to consider when you are calculating how much to take each day. I found one site that recommends not taking more than 490mg of elemental magnesium a day (~40 mEq).

One (1) gram of the various magnesium salts contain the following amounts of elemental magnesium:

magnesium chloride: 120 mg (9.8 mEq) elemental magnesium.
magnesium gluconate: 54 mg (4.4 mEq) elemental magnesium.
magnesium lactate: 120 mg (9.8 mEq) elemental magnesium.
magnesium oxide: 603 mg (49.6 mEq) elemental magnesium.
magnesium sulfate: 99 mg (8.1 mEq) elemental magnesium.

(source: http://barttersite.o...h-care-workers/)

2. Even if you are taking more elemental magnesium per milligram of magnesium supplement, it doesn't mean you're getting more magnesium, as the bioavailability really varies. This study showed that magnesium oxide is poorly absorbed (4% fractional absorption) compared to magnesium chloride, lactate and aspartate (summary doesn't have % for these, and I can't find the full text to get more details).

If anyone finds more info that would be great... I'm currently dissolving 50mg of magnesium chloride in 1.5 liters of water and taking 40mL of this a day (10mL in the AM and 30mL in the PM), as recommended by the instructions from the pharmacy (they recommend 80mL total for older adults).

I figure that means each mL gives me 33.33mg of magnesium chloride, meaning I get 1,333.2mg a day. I was worried that was too much, but it's really just 160mg of elemental magnesium. So I could definitely even go up to taking 80 mL of the solution a day. (If someone sees me making some glaring error in my logic here, please do correct me!)

When I was thinking I was taking too much was when I was taking 400mg of magnesium oxide (I messed up and bought that instead of citrate pills) in the morning and the 30mL of m. chloride in the evening. That meant I was getting 240mg elemental mag from the oxide + 120mg from the chloride = 360mg total elemental. So probably not too much either. I might try it again and see if I get the same reaction.

I'm not sure how the bioavailability factors into all of this... the 490mg total recommendation doesn't seem to take it into account... or maybe the differences aren't so great as to affect the general recommendation?

Finally, it appears you absorb magnesium a lot better if you take it in small doses throughout the day: http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/21473800.

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9/11-9/12 Waves and windows of recovery.
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1/13 Best I've ever felt.

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4/14 Have to watch out for triggers, but feel completely normal about 80% of the time.


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Posted 02 January 2012 - 03:17 PM

Here's another study on magnesium absorption.

Conclusion: Mg L-aspartate compensated for magnesium deficit more effectively and faster than all other salts. Mg chloride showed the highest efficiency among inorganic magnesium salts. Both Mg chloride and Mg L-aspartate in combination with vitamin B6 caused statistically significant compensation of magnesium deficit.

'94-'08 On/off ADs. Mostly Zoloft & Wellbutrin, but also Prozac, Celexa, Effexor, etc.
6/08 quit Z & W after tapering, awful anxiety 3 mos. later, reinstated.
11/10 CTed. Severe anxiety 3 mos. later & @ 8 mos. much worse (set off by metronidazole). Anxiety, depression, anhedonia, DP, DR, dizziness, severe insomnia, high serum AM cortisol, flu-like feelings, muscle discomfort.
9/11-9/12 Waves and windows of recovery.
10/12 Awful relapse, DP/DR. Hydrocortisone?
11/12 Improved fairly quickly even though relapse was one of worst waves ever.

1/13 Best I've ever felt.

3/13 A bit of a relapse... then faster and shorter waves and windows.

4/14 Have to watch out for triggers, but feel completely normal about 80% of the time.


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Posted 02 January 2012 - 04:31 PM

Alto ~thats good news on the mag on knees At least 10x/ day I am hearing hubby prescribe Cymbalta for any and all chronic pain in place of antiinflammatories or opiates ~Cymbalta is becoming most prescribed drug for injuries and chronic pain and the thought is sending me thru the roof iii He only approves prescriptions for insurance utilization review so it's not him prescribing but approving doxens of other docs doing it~maddening I told Robert Whitakerabout it and he didn't seem aware of the widespread use outside of psych ~awhole new arena of iatrogenic disability
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Posted 03 January 2012 - 04:26 PM

If you take too much magnesium by mouth at one time, you will get cramping and diarrhea. It's a clear sign to reduce dosage. If you pay attention to that, you can't overdose.
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 02:54 PM

If you take too much magnesium by mouth at one time, you will get cramping and diarrhea.

It's a clear sign to reduce dosage. If you pay attention to that, you can't overdose.


OK, that is great to know. No problem there so far! (I think it actually helps with my digestion, in fact... I used to tend toward constipation). I feel really grateful that I'm able to tolerate high quantities of magnesium. I think it's one of the only things I can take that really has a clear beneficial effect!

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 12:29 PM

I have noticed problems with short term memory since starting mag supplementation. I've found reports online documenting this phenomenon in individuals with extensive history of benzo use. There was some stuff on interaction with NMDA receptors and that this interactions inhibits creation or retention of short term memory. ? In any event it is very noticeable. Since upping my dose to 200mg magnesium i frequently forget things i am not typically forgetful of. Like, where I am walking, where I left things, what I've told people. A short example. I walked upstairs to get my phone. When I returned down I couldn't recall why I made the trip. After a few seconds I remembered it was to retrieve my phone. Still not recalling if I had picked up my phone I checked my pants and jacket pockets as well as the immediate countertops. No phone. So second trip up the stairs repeating "get your phone" over in my head. Finally returned with phone. Memory problems aside, I am doing much better with several symptoms commonly caused by mag deficiency such as bone pain/weakness, ttingling in extremities, hardened, coare skin... Though the symptoms are getting better concerns about memory have paused my mag supplementation program. I will probably restart it though as the symptoms are returning the last couple days I've been without the extra mag. My problems with this started in reaction to a PPI, dexilant, know. To deplete bones of cal and mag and increase risk of fracture and bone disorders. I have not experienced any change in stool consistency or frequency of movements, but the mag is quite sedating and dehydrating. Alex.i

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 12:41 PM

I have noticed problems with short term memory since starting mag supplementation.



Hmm... I have not noticed problems with short term memory so far, if anything I feel it has improved (but have not used benzos very much, and not at all in the past three years except for two or three attempts when I first started going through anxiety). But then again, my short term memory is awful in general. The stuff you describe happens to me all the time. Sometimes I make the same trip two or even three times, returning empty handed! While I was on vacation I even had this weird episode where I SWORE my BF was playing tricks on me because I was looking for something and thought I hadn't found it and then there it was in plain sight and no one else had put it there, so it must have been me... I used to think it was the Wellbutrin. Now I think it's withdrawal, heh! But my mom is like that as well, so maybe it's just how I'm wired.

In any case, that is a tough call, having to choose between bad effects. When my anxiety is bad, I want it gone so bad I'm willing to sacrifice just about anything else. But when it abates, of course I want to have energy, be alert, not have back pain, etc.

I hope you find the right balance!

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6/08 quit Z & W after tapering, awful anxiety 3 mos. later, reinstated.
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Posted 05 January 2012 - 12:53 PM

Yes, it seems for magnesium is touted for improvd memory, so my reaction is atypical. However the correlation is very strong. I've had memory problems but not to this degree or of this sort. The example I gave. Things like that, like placing something I wanted to keep in a trash pile and then not remembering doing it after my mom asks why I wanted to throw the item away. These things were happening multiple times a day, probably ten times each day, which had not been a feature of my w.d... While i have been having problems with memory in w.d my issues were much more with recalling new information than with not remembering my intention in the middle of an action... Wait, why am I running the water in this sink? Totally new and happening in abundance. I assume I'll return to my old level of forgetfulness -- names, reading and not retaining -- which was only a minor nuisance as I stop the mag pills which I should be able to do eventually...

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:36 PM

Here's another study on magnesium absorption.

Conclusion: Mg L-aspartate compensated for magnesium deficit more effectively and faster than all other salts. Mg chloride showed the highest efficiency among inorganic magnesium salts. Both Mg chloride and Mg L-aspartate in combination with vitamin B6 caused statistically significant compensation of magnesium deficit.

Reminds of ZMA which athletes use. Wary of the aspartame though. Then again, right now the mag glycinate I take causes brain stupor. I also wonder about it's absorption in my jacked up intestines.

My rule had been to avoid the aspartates but maybe I'll try...

EDIT: I dug up a link on ZMA from the bodybuilding forum if anyone interested. Funny how it promotes sleep in normals. I think I took something aspartate and was up all night.... Still considering trying it since b6 and zinc are also important to me.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:38 PM

Also, magnesium is a leading ingredient in preparations like maalox. Is it wise to take magnesium around meals if I am having digestive problems. I need all my stomach acid right then, I think. Alex

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 08:37 PM

Did you ever try magnesium chloride orally? The chloride is supposed to help with stomach acid.

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6/08 quit Z & W after tapering, awful anxiety 3 mos. later, reinstated.
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9/11-9/12 Waves and windows of recovery.
10/12 Awful relapse, DP/DR. Hydrocortisone?
11/12 Improved fairly quickly even though relapse was one of worst waves ever.

1/13 Best I've ever felt.

3/13 A bit of a relapse... then faster and shorter waves and windows.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 09:42 PM

By taking it orally? I have some mag chloride oil. I never thought of ingesting it. I'll look into it. Thanks, Nadia

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