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#1 rapunzel2

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Posted 17 December 2016 - 06:21 AM

It's a question for those people who have started slow tapering from the beginning (and not for those who discovered the forum after too fast taper). 

 

It has taken me 3,5 years to reduce from:

- 40mg fluoxetine to 6mg

- 50mg quetiapine to 7,25mg

 

It seems to get harder on the low doses, so even if I dream that it will take me 1 more year, more realistically, it will rather be 2 more years ( I really hope not more). 

 

So my taper will probably take 5,5 years. All this time filled with unpleasant, disturbing withdrawal symptoms, which prohibit my functioning. 

 

Why I'm asking such question - I read from the forum all the time that people do slow tapers (10% decreases) and they finish their tapers in 2-3 years. It seems that even in this context here, I'm having much harder time than average, and it takes me longer to withdraw. I want to compare myself to others and see what is the estimated time for other members.

 

I understand that estimate is estimate and it's not possible to know how the reality will play out. but still, it will be interesting to me. 


in 2002- cipramil for half a year, ended it uneventfully. in 2006 - citalopram for half a year, ended in horrific state, ditched the drugs CT. 2006-2008 not feeling well but drug free. in 2008 prozac 20mg + quetiapine 25mg. 2009 tried to stop, ended up in hole after couple of months, started zoloft. 2009-2011 zoloft 50mg. went to 25mg in 2011 summer, it resulted in half a year horrible suffering. reinstated, changed drugs, nothing happened. by 2012 beginning suddenly felt great and CT meds. after 4 months came suddenly most horrible human suffering that's possible. started tapering slowly, GFCF diet and Hardy Nutritionals vitamins in 2013 summer. 

current medications: 1) fluoxetine and quetiapine since Aug 2012; 2) Daily Essential Nutrients by Hardy Nutritionals 10 capsules / since May 2013 + omega3; 3) Gluten-free-casein-free diet since june 2013; 4) free form amino acid complex 3 capsules 5) milk thistle 6) niacin 1500mg

25. april'13 fluoxetine 40mg -> 36mg (10%); 25. may'13 fluoxetine 36mg -> 32mg (1 month inbetween, 11%); 4. july'13 fluoxetine 32mg-> 28mg (5,5 weeks, 13%); 27. july'13 quetiapine 50 -> 45mg (10%); 15. aug'13 fluoxetine 28mg -> 24mg (6 weeks, 14%); 29. sept'13 quetiapine 45 -> 40mg (1,5 months, 11%); 14. oct'13 quetiapine 40mg -> 35mg (2 weeks, 13%); 16. oct'13 quetiapine 35mg -> 40mg; 17. oct'13 fluoxetine 24mg -> 22 mg (8%); 4. feb’14 fluoxetine 22mg -> 21mg (3,5 months hold inbetween, 5% cut); 21. feb'14 fluoxetine 21mg -> 20,5mg (2,5 weeks, 2,4% cut); 27 feb'14 fluoxetine 20,5mg -> 20mg (1 week, 2,4% cut); 30 mar'14 fluoxetine 20mg -> 19,5mg (4,5 weeks, 2,4% cut); 17 may'14 quetiapine 40mg -> 31mg (22% cut); 31 may'14 fluoxetine 19,5mg -> 17,56mg (9,9%); 13 july'14 quetiapine 31mg -> 25mg (19% cut); 19 july'14 quetiapine 25mg -> 18, 75mg (25% cut, 6 days); 28. july'14 quetiapine 18,75mg -> 22mg (-15%); 9. aug'14 fluoxetine 17,52mg -> 17,12mg (2,3% cut, 10 weeks, over 2 months); 19. aug'14 back to 17,52mg due to bad withdrawal symptoms; 20. oct'14 fluoxetine 17,52 -> 17,2mg (1,8% cut); 28. nov'14 fluoxetine 17,2 -> 15,6 (9,8%); 9. feb’15 fluoxetine 15,6 -> 14,4 (7,7%); 3. may’15 quetiapine 22mg -> 19mg (-14%); 27. may’15 fluoxetine 14,4mg -> 12,6mg (-12,5%, 1,8mg); 2. july’15 fluoxetine 12,6mg -> 10,6mg (15,9%, 2mg); 26. oct'15 fluoxetine 10,6mg - 9mg (15%, 1,6mg); 18. jan'16 quetiapine 18mg -> 15mg (17%); 16. mar'16 fluoxetine 9mg -> 7,4mg (18%); 22.may'16 fluoxetine 7,4mg -> 6mg (19%); 19.sept'16 quetiapine 12,5 -> 11,25 (10%); 26. sept'16 quetiapine 11,25 -> 10,25 (9%), 3 oct'16 quetiapine 10,25 -> 9,25 (10%); 10 oc'16 quetiapine 9,25-> 8,25mg (11%), 14 nov'16 quetiapine 8,25 -> 7,25 (12%); 9 Jan'17 fluoxetine 6mg -> 5,8mg (3%): 18 jan fluoxetine 5,8mg -> 5,6mg (3%); 6 feb fluoxetine 5,6mg -> 5,4mg (4%); 19 feb fluoxetine 5,4mg -> 5,2mg (4%); 5 mar fluox 5,2 -> 5,0 (4%). 

 


#2 Lakelander82

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Posted 17 December 2016 - 04:11 PM

Look at the speed of my taper since late August...painstaking wouldn't be the word....
May 2007 - October 2007 Citalopram 20 mg od. 1st Antidepressant ever taken. No problem with fast taper and no withdrawal effects. No antidepressants for over 5 years.

January 2013 started Citalopram 20mg.
March 2014 Switched to Sertraline 50 mg od.
23rd June 2016 started taper 45mg
23rd July 2016 40.5 mg of Sertraline
23rd August 36.45 mg of Sertraline
27th September 34.65 mg
24th October 32.90 mg
28th November 31.26 mg
4th January 32mg
25th Feb 31 mg 22nd March 30mg

#3 LexAnger

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 12:29 AM

Valid question! I thought about it too myself.

Although each individual can be quite different, and the experts estimates are 2-4 years for CTers. From what I learned for both slow taper and CT, the everage # year is similar, 4-6 years for full coverage, assuming the starting dose is the normal recommended dose, single drug, and no big extra accidents along the way.

I'm at my 4th year going to the 5th yr, never been at high dose but did increas dose couple times during taper, so not a steady taper, I'm at 1 mg Lexapro and thinking 2 more years until full recovery, with 1 more year to reach zero and the other one for post zero fine tune.

I feel your estimate of two more years very rational, leaxopro is 2+ more potency than Prozac.
<p>2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg, first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, slight improvement with pain2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR2016 Feb., started fast taper for the drug toxicity caused by the one dose of 4.2mg, dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, sliding Down to 0.13mg by 2/13, then 0.07mg since 2/18, 0.06mg 2/20-3/17, 0.13mg 3/18

#4 AmyK

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 08:25 AM

It has taken me 5.5 years from 25 mg zoloft to 0.24 mg. I am super sensitive, I know that. I have dropped by 5 % every month, except when I came under 2 mg. Then I have dropped when I felt ready, sometimes only after seven - ten days.

One just have to throw the calendar out. Now on this tiny dose I almost dont feel the drop. And I can see the end of all this.

Best of luck.

Tapering Zoloft since 2011. Current dose: 0,013 mg

 

0,019 mg 22 March 0,039 mg 18 March? 0,052 mg 16 March 0,079 mg 4 March 0,086 1 March 0,099 mg 22 February 0,11 mg 15 February 0,13 mg 6 February 0,145 mg 24 January 0,15 mg 19 January 0,19 mg 10 January 0,20 mg 3 January

 

2016: 0,98 to 0,22 mg

2015: 2,35 to 1,01 mg

2014: 4,9 to 2,5 mg

2013: 9,1 to 5,1 mg

2012: 15,7 to 9,7 mg

2011: Started on 25 mg - then 50 mg- dropped to 25- to 12.5 mg - back to 25 mg - after 18.75 mg started tiny tapering to 16.6 mg

 

Started on 25 mg Zoloft in March 2011 due to stressrelated tinnitus that gave me panicattacks, then after two weeks up to 50 mg, which dose I was only on for five weeks. Had a terrible reaction to Zoloft from start, but was told to "hold on". After four months on 25 mg/12 mg/18,75 mg I was stuck. Therefore the long taper. Crazy, I know... Super sensitive to drops and have dropped by 4-6 % from the prevoius dose all the way from 17,5 mg.


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 08:11 PM

It has taken me 2 years to taper from 37.50 of Remeron to 1.75mgs.   It has taken me 19 months to taper from 200mgs of Lamictal to 22.50 mgs.

 

I was on the full dose of each medication for 11 months a piece. 

 

I estimate I will be off the Remeron by end of January 2017 and the Lamictal in the late Spring/early Summer of 2017.  


September 2013-April 2014: After the death of my mom in July 2012.-became very depressed in September of 2013. Given a series of antidepressants very quickly from about 4 different psychiatrists in a 6 month period. Each one was from 1 day to 10 days at the most. My body could not handle it-I had Zoloft 4 days, Lexapro-1 day, Nortriptyline-10 days, Liquid Prozac, 1 week, Cymbalta 1 week.

December 2013-September 2014: Put on Xanax after a reaction to the Lexapro, averaging .50-1mg per day. Switched to Clonazepam-midway averaging about 0.25-0.50 daily.

June 2014: Jan/Feb 2015: Put on 7.5 Remeron titrate up to 41.25mgs 

September 2014-July 2015: Put on 25mgs of Lamictal titrate up to 200mgs daily. Also stopped the Clonzepam- never felt the wd I had experienced when I tried to stop it before (knowing nothing about withdrawal) because the Lamictal calmed me down.

 

Currently: Tapering both medications together using micro cuts. Started tapering Remeron in January 2015,  Started tapering Lamictal July 2015 Main wd symptoms-sweating, nausea, headaches, deep crying, anxiety. 12/21/16 Remeron 1.6 Lamictal 22.50 mgs 1/19/17 Remeron 1.2mgs, Lamictal 22.50mg 2/12/17 Remeron 1.2 Lamictal 21.25 mgs  3/4/17 Remeron 0.85  Lamictal 21.25 3/14 Remeron 0.85  Lamictal 20mgs

 

Additional Support: Acupuncture with Reflexology, Alanon, L-Theanine for anxiety as needed, Estradial patch 0.025, Bio-indentical Progesterone cream 150-200  Armour Thyroid 90mgs.


#6 blazesboylan

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Posted 24 December 2016 - 03:00 AM

Hello,

 

I started tapering roughly 2.5 years ago. It has taken me that time to go from 300 mg Effexor to 65 mg which is where I am now. When I started out I never thought that it would take this long though. I have had to re-instate on some occasions.

 

I was talking risperidone at one point and my doctor switched me over to olanzapine about 14 months ago. I have been tapering that (the olanzapine) also although I have been primarily focussed on the Effexor.

 

I haven't made any changes to the mirtazapine at all. My plan is is to taper off the effexor and olanzapine completely and then start tapering the mirtazapine. I suppose that realistically I am looking at other two years potentially.

 

It does take a long time I suppose but slowly wins the race in this game.

 

Merry Christmas  :)


Previously - zopiclone, risperidone, lyrica (pregabalin), ativan (lorezapam)
 
16/May/2016 - 90mg Effexor, 5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
07/Jun/2016 -  80mg Effexor, 5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
25/Jun/2016 -  80mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
04/Jul/2016 -  72mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
01/Aug/2016 -  65mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
12/Aug/2016 -  75mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
03/Oct/2016 -  70mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
29/Oct/2016 -  65mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
25/Nov/2016 -  65mg Effexor, 4mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
25/Dec/2016 -  60mg Effexor, 3.6mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
18/Jan/2017 -  60mg Effexor, 5.25mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
27/Mar/2017 -  54mg Effexor, 5.25mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
 
Valium (diazepam) as needed. Not daily. Rarely in fact.
 
Note : I would really hope that nobody uses my tapering history as a guideline. It seems to be working for me (at the moment) but might not work well for somebody else tapering similar medications.

 


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Posted 26 December 2016 - 09:44 AM

Started Lyrica in Feb. 2015. I've been tapering off of Lyrica since April 2015. Was at 450mg when I started and am now at 35mg/day.
It has been the greatest challenge of my life. Starting to think about when to jump off. I'm guessing I'll jump from 5mg. The thing that concerns me is that it seems to be getting more difficult as the dosages get smaller. My logic assumed it would get easier as the dosage got below the lowest effective prescription doses thinking my CNS just wouldn't notice. Apparently I'm wrong. Once this is all over and I am well again I plan on making an appointment with the original doctor who prescribed this drug to me (to ease the transition off of Zoloft) and tell him my story, with many pages of others' stories of withdrawal in tow. He told me that Lyrica was non habit forming and easy to discontinue. I wonder what he would say to the family of yet another Lyrica user who committed suicide right before xmas that I just read about on the Lyrica Survivors FB page. Perhaps he'll think twice before casually putting yet another person in this prison cell...
On Zoloft 150mg-200mg from 1991-Nov. 2014. Weaned off over 40+ weeks (too fast unbeknownst to me at the time) Protracted withdrawal began in Jan. 2015 Currently weaning off Lyrica (pregabalin). Started Apr. 2015. titrated up to 400mg/day. <p>"The quality of your life is determined by the amount of uncertainty you can comfortably live with" -- Anthony Robbins

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Posted 27 December 2016 - 04:26 AM

I managed to go from 75mg Lyrica to zero and I don't think that I had any major discontinuation issues if any.

 

I had been on 150mg prior to that. I dropped to 75mg and stayed there for a couple of months. Then zero.

 

Everyone is different I suppose. I wouldn't recommend that anyone else tries the same. Perhaps I was lucky. I am generally more cautious with my tapering.


Previously - zopiclone, risperidone, lyrica (pregabalin), ativan (lorezapam)
 
16/May/2016 - 90mg Effexor, 5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
07/Jun/2016 -  80mg Effexor, 5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
25/Jun/2016 -  80mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
04/Jul/2016 -  72mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
01/Aug/2016 -  65mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
12/Aug/2016 -  75mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
03/Oct/2016 -  70mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
29/Oct/2016 -  65mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
25/Nov/2016 -  65mg Effexor, 4mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
25/Dec/2016 -  60mg Effexor, 3.6mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
18/Jan/2017 -  60mg Effexor, 5.25mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
27/Mar/2017 -  54mg Effexor, 5.25mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpine
 
Valium (diazepam) as needed. Not daily. Rarely in fact.
 
Note : I would really hope that nobody uses my tapering history as a guideline. It seems to be working for me (at the moment) but might not work well for somebody else tapering similar medications.

 


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Posted 15 January 2017 - 06:29 PM

Thanks for sharing Blazes. What can I say? I guess you're lucky:)
On Zoloft 150mg-200mg from 1991-Nov. 2014. Weaned off over 40+ weeks (too fast unbeknownst to me at the time) Protracted withdrawal began in Jan. 2015 Currently weaning off Lyrica (pregabalin). Started Apr. 2015. titrated up to 400mg/day. <p>"The quality of your life is determined by the amount of uncertainty you can comfortably live with" -- Anthony Robbins

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 06:47 PM

I've been tapering off Effexor roughly 3 years I think from 75 mg now at 3 beads with 1 minor reinstatement. All had been going well. Also tapering Risperdal 1 cut every 4-5 months or so. I expect it'll take me another year or so tone off both comfortably.

.5 mgs. Risperdal, Feb. 1/16 10% cut or less., mild w/d symptoms (cut too much), Apr. 1/16 5% or less cut, no w/d symptoms, May 15/16 5% or less cut, no w/d symptoms, Sept. 1/16 less than .25 mgs., no w/d symptoms, feeling great.  Risperdal tablets are disintegrating so shaving tiny tiny amounts is how I do it.

 

2012 to Aug./15 tapered 75 mgs. Effexor to nothing, felt great for 3 months then hit an anxiety patch late Oct., couldn't sleep, shaky all the time, couldn't concentrate. Nov. 1/15 reinstated tiny fraction, Feb. 1/16 8 beads, June 1/16 4 beads, Sept. 1/16 3 beads, no w/d symptoms, Feb. 10/16 2 beads, great no w/d symptoms, taking this really really slow.

 

200 mgs. Trazodone for sleep.  Will taper very slowly when Effexor and Risperdal are done with proven stability.

Taking Magnesium Citrate, Omega 3 Fish Oil  and Ashwagandha (has calming effect, promotes good sleep & feel energized)


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Posted 26 January 2017 - 05:24 AM

I have had a set back. I have been tapering now for almost two years, withdrawing for a very much longer time than that... 

 

My current positive voice says: 

 

I have less of the drug in me now than I did three years ago. So I must be healing right? 

My biggest thing is that during my 'big crash' about two years ago... i went through a lot of what i call 'sleep trauma'. So now,... I can't tolerate not sleeping. At least, not when I am suffering extra withdrawal anxiety. 

 

So for me, I have to withdraw SUPER small bits. And every now and then, so far, I try a little bit more. Although I am not going to do that again. I so nearly crashed when a huge external event really threw me two weeks ago. I am still recovering. I lost... Months of withdrawal work. I had to 'updose'. Life happens. You have to deal with stuff. You are human, so you do what you can. 

 

When I am experiencing positive thoughts I think, WOW, I didn't lose that much time, and my withdrawal symptoms are receding. So I am doing great!

 

When the times get bad...

 

It's back to praying and hoping. I don't even believe in god. Not really. Not in the 'out there, guy in the sky' kind of way. I love to read Deepak Chopra and Eckhart Tolle, and other spiritual teachers. They give me some hope back. I try to find ways to bring myself back into the 'now'. It is very hard to do.

 

But anyway, I am going on about it, feeling sorry for myself, as we all do at times.

 

The point I wanted to get at was...

 

I think I am tapering even slower than you, Repunlzel! SO you are doing AMAZINGLY WELL, from my viewpoint. Plus, you don't have tow other drugs to taper from afterwards... You are AMAZING! Seriously!

 

-TJ 


I know I can handle this moment, simply because I AM handling this moment. 

 

*Current: 2017 January Seroquel 10.75 Pax 5mg Dormonoct 2 mg ( holding up-dose due to life circumstances) 

 

*My full withdrawal history so far, up to Jan 2017 here in my intro (post #65)

*My Blog: tjdeepthinker@wordpress.com

 

...and we can SING about LOVE together...

:rolleyes: 


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Posted 26 January 2017 - 09:07 AM

thanks a lot, tjdeepthinker! :) It does feel very exciting to be already on quite low dosages!

Wishing you healing!


in 2002- cipramil for half a year, ended it uneventfully. in 2006 - citalopram for half a year, ended in horrific state, ditched the drugs CT. 2006-2008 not feeling well but drug free. in 2008 prozac 20mg + quetiapine 25mg. 2009 tried to stop, ended up in hole after couple of months, started zoloft. 2009-2011 zoloft 50mg. went to 25mg in 2011 summer, it resulted in half a year horrible suffering. reinstated, changed drugs, nothing happened. by 2012 beginning suddenly felt great and CT meds. after 4 months came suddenly most horrible human suffering that's possible. started tapering slowly, GFCF diet and Hardy Nutritionals vitamins in 2013 summer. 

current medications: 1) fluoxetine and quetiapine since Aug 2012; 2) Daily Essential Nutrients by Hardy Nutritionals 10 capsules / since May 2013 + omega3; 3) Gluten-free-casein-free diet since june 2013; 4) free form amino acid complex 3 capsules 5) milk thistle 6) niacin 1500mg

25. april'13 fluoxetine 40mg -> 36mg (10%); 25. may'13 fluoxetine 36mg -> 32mg (1 month inbetween, 11%); 4. july'13 fluoxetine 32mg-> 28mg (5,5 weeks, 13%); 27. july'13 quetiapine 50 -> 45mg (10%); 15. aug'13 fluoxetine 28mg -> 24mg (6 weeks, 14%); 29. sept'13 quetiapine 45 -> 40mg (1,5 months, 11%); 14. oct'13 quetiapine 40mg -> 35mg (2 weeks, 13%); 16. oct'13 quetiapine 35mg -> 40mg; 17. oct'13 fluoxetine 24mg -> 22 mg (8%); 4. feb’14 fluoxetine 22mg -> 21mg (3,5 months hold inbetween, 5% cut); 21. feb'14 fluoxetine 21mg -> 20,5mg (2,5 weeks, 2,4% cut); 27 feb'14 fluoxetine 20,5mg -> 20mg (1 week, 2,4% cut); 30 mar'14 fluoxetine 20mg -> 19,5mg (4,5 weeks, 2,4% cut); 17 may'14 quetiapine 40mg -> 31mg (22% cut); 31 may'14 fluoxetine 19,5mg -> 17,56mg (9,9%); 13 july'14 quetiapine 31mg -> 25mg (19% cut); 19 july'14 quetiapine 25mg -> 18, 75mg (25% cut, 6 days); 28. july'14 quetiapine 18,75mg -> 22mg (-15%); 9. aug'14 fluoxetine 17,52mg -> 17,12mg (2,3% cut, 10 weeks, over 2 months); 19. aug'14 back to 17,52mg due to bad withdrawal symptoms; 20. oct'14 fluoxetine 17,52 -> 17,2mg (1,8% cut); 28. nov'14 fluoxetine 17,2 -> 15,6 (9,8%); 9. feb’15 fluoxetine 15,6 -> 14,4 (7,7%); 3. may’15 quetiapine 22mg -> 19mg (-14%); 27. may’15 fluoxetine 14,4mg -> 12,6mg (-12,5%, 1,8mg); 2. july’15 fluoxetine 12,6mg -> 10,6mg (15,9%, 2mg); 26. oct'15 fluoxetine 10,6mg - 9mg (15%, 1,6mg); 18. jan'16 quetiapine 18mg -> 15mg (17%); 16. mar'16 fluoxetine 9mg -> 7,4mg (18%); 22.may'16 fluoxetine 7,4mg -> 6mg (19%); 19.sept'16 quetiapine 12,5 -> 11,25 (10%); 26. sept'16 quetiapine 11,25 -> 10,25 (9%), 3 oct'16 quetiapine 10,25 -> 9,25 (10%); 10 oc'16 quetiapine 9,25-> 8,25mg (11%), 14 nov'16 quetiapine 8,25 -> 7,25 (12%); 9 Jan'17 fluoxetine 6mg -> 5,8mg (3%): 18 jan fluoxetine 5,8mg -> 5,6mg (3%); 6 feb fluoxetine 5,6mg -> 5,4mg (4%); 19 feb fluoxetine 5,4mg -> 5,2mg (4%); 5 mar fluox 5,2 -> 5,0 (4%). 

 


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 06:13 AM

thanks a lot, tjdeepthinker! :) It does feel very exciting to be already on quite low dosages!

Wishing you healing!

Thanks Repunzel. You too! 


I know I can handle this moment, simply because I AM handling this moment. 

 

*Current: 2017 January Seroquel 10.75 Pax 5mg Dormonoct 2 mg ( holding up-dose due to life circumstances) 

 

*My full withdrawal history so far, up to Jan 2017 here in my intro (post #65)

*My Blog: tjdeepthinker@wordpress.com

 

...and we can SING about LOVE together...

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 06:48 PM

3-5 years? That seems so long. Do people trying to kick narcotics take that long? or alcohol?  Seems like the body should be able to get its $#!+ together faster than that.


September 2014 to July 2015 - 20 mg Lexapro, 30mg Mirtazipine

 

August 2015 to November 2016- 10mg Lexapro, 30 mg Mirtazipine

 

Nov. 2016 to present - 10mg Lexapro, 3.75 mg Mirtazipine


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Posted 07 February 2017 - 12:58 AM

We are talking about two totally different forms of WD here. Narcotics and alcohol cause a chemical dependent physical addiction which the body has to clear out or "detox" and then learn to operate without the stimulus of the drug. With ADs/APs the situation is different.  The drug causes physical changes to the brain and nervous system, in fact every system in the body, in effect they "rewire" them to require the presence of the drug to function.  Without the AD/AP the brain is thrown into chaos because it can't function, so the drug must be removed a little at a time to allow the brain to "re-rewire" itself to function normally with out the drug.  It is a slow painful process because every system in the body has been compromised and has to be rebuilt while the body tries to maintain functionality. 

 

Through the painful experience of thousands of people we have been able to determine that, for most people, removing the drug at a rate of 10% of the previous dose every 4-6 weeks will allow them to eventually become drug free while suffering a minimum of  WD symptoms.  This is a general guideline from which each individual must find a variation, which is frequently slower, that works for them.  There will always be exceptions, but we have found that people who try to go faster than these recommendations will eventually have trouble, because the changes caused by each dose reduction have not been fully allowed to resolve themselves and accumulate in the background until one day they cause the entire system to destabilize and experience severe symptoms.  When this happens it is very difficult and very painful to regain stability and the system is sensitized and more likely to loose stability in the future.

 

It's a very daunting prospect to face spending years tapering off of a drug, but it is absolutely critical to take the time required.  When I started my taper five and a half years ago I didn't think it would take nearly this long.  My initial calculations showed it to be a bit over three years.  As I tapered I learned more about the process and discovered the the lower doses were the more sensitive ones and required even more diligence to navigate.  I will be ending my taper soon, and as I have mentioned it will have taken just over five and a half years.  I consider it time well spent.

 

The time has been painful, frustrating, frightening and a lot more. BUT, I have done so much better than friends who, for what ever reason, CTed the same dose of the same drug at the same time.  I am in the process of transitioning, almost symptom free back into life, while they are still suffering with symptoms of acute WD.  The body has a tremendous job to do in sorting itself out and correcting the changes that have been forced on it. It can do it, and do it right, but it must be allowed all the time necessary to do its job, and any effort to speed up the process increases the risk of derailing it.


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.008mg 03-17-2016

 

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 01:20 AM

Excellent description. this helps with people's understanding that the process of withdrawal from AD is the process of brain re-wire back to its normal state, not that you are cleaning the drug from your body.

When I'm forced to fast taper to almost zero now, I got many congrats which makes me speechless as I though I explained it well stopping the drug in such a way is actually what I try to avoid. Obviously I didn't do a good job explaining.
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Posted 07 February 2017 - 07:19 PM

It would seem that narcotics and alcohol would change brain structure as well. If it were a matter of getting the alcohol or narcotic out, wouldn't healing be instant once that happened?


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 01:52 AM

I've actually read some forums for drug-addicts and discovered that their stories are not as bad as antidepressant survival stories. made me even envy them a bit :) seems that they are able to ditch the drug, then suffer withdrawal for a limited time and then get back on feet. with antidepressants, there is no such shortcut for people who have become extra sensitive. 


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25. april'13 fluoxetine 40mg -> 36mg (10%); 25. may'13 fluoxetine 36mg -> 32mg (1 month inbetween, 11%); 4. july'13 fluoxetine 32mg-> 28mg (5,5 weeks, 13%); 27. july'13 quetiapine 50 -> 45mg (10%); 15. aug'13 fluoxetine 28mg -> 24mg (6 weeks, 14%); 29. sept'13 quetiapine 45 -> 40mg (1,5 months, 11%); 14. oct'13 quetiapine 40mg -> 35mg (2 weeks, 13%); 16. oct'13 quetiapine 35mg -> 40mg; 17. oct'13 fluoxetine 24mg -> 22 mg (8%); 4. feb’14 fluoxetine 22mg -> 21mg (3,5 months hold inbetween, 5% cut); 21. feb'14 fluoxetine 21mg -> 20,5mg (2,5 weeks, 2,4% cut); 27 feb'14 fluoxetine 20,5mg -> 20mg (1 week, 2,4% cut); 30 mar'14 fluoxetine 20mg -> 19,5mg (4,5 weeks, 2,4% cut); 17 may'14 quetiapine 40mg -> 31mg (22% cut); 31 may'14 fluoxetine 19,5mg -> 17,56mg (9,9%); 13 july'14 quetiapine 31mg -> 25mg (19% cut); 19 july'14 quetiapine 25mg -> 18, 75mg (25% cut, 6 days); 28. july'14 quetiapine 18,75mg -> 22mg (-15%); 9. aug'14 fluoxetine 17,52mg -> 17,12mg (2,3% cut, 10 weeks, over 2 months); 19. aug'14 back to 17,52mg due to bad withdrawal symptoms; 20. oct'14 fluoxetine 17,52 -> 17,2mg (1,8% cut); 28. nov'14 fluoxetine 17,2 -> 15,6 (9,8%); 9. feb’15 fluoxetine 15,6 -> 14,4 (7,7%); 3. may’15 quetiapine 22mg -> 19mg (-14%); 27. may’15 fluoxetine 14,4mg -> 12,6mg (-12,5%, 1,8mg); 2. july’15 fluoxetine 12,6mg -> 10,6mg (15,9%, 2mg); 26. oct'15 fluoxetine 10,6mg - 9mg (15%, 1,6mg); 18. jan'16 quetiapine 18mg -> 15mg (17%); 16. mar'16 fluoxetine 9mg -> 7,4mg (18%); 22.may'16 fluoxetine 7,4mg -> 6mg (19%); 19.sept'16 quetiapine 12,5 -> 11,25 (10%); 26. sept'16 quetiapine 11,25 -> 10,25 (9%), 3 oct'16 quetiapine 10,25 -> 9,25 (10%); 10 oc'16 quetiapine 9,25-> 8,25mg (11%), 14 nov'16 quetiapine 8,25 -> 7,25 (12%); 9 Jan'17 fluoxetine 6mg -> 5,8mg (3%): 18 jan fluoxetine 5,8mg -> 5,6mg (3%); 6 feb fluoxetine 5,6mg -> 5,4mg (4%); 19 feb fluoxetine 5,4mg -> 5,2mg (4%); 5 mar fluox 5,2 -> 5,0 (4%). 

 


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 01:07 AM

Hi Brassmonkey,
 
Great to hear you are almost finished! Keep it up! -TJ

I know I can handle this moment, simply because I AM handling this moment. 

 

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*My full withdrawal history so far, up to Jan 2017 here in my intro (post #65)

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Take your time. You are tapering such a high dose and I am unable to taper 7.5mg remeron :(



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Posted 28 February 2017 - 03:21 PM

It has taken me 5.5 years from 25 mg zoloft to 0.24 mg. I am super sensitive, I know that. I have dropped by 5 % every month, except when I came under 2 mg. Then I have dropped when I felt ready, sometimes only after seven - ten days.

One just have to throw the calendar out. Now on this tiny dose I almost dont feel the drop. And I can see the end of all this.

Best of luck.

Hi Amyk,

 

Can you share how are you doing your tapering? I am also in the first reinstatament of zoloft, after a horrorific protractive widhtdrawal, and preparing for stabilization to start taper, but i will only do it until the symptoms are completly clean. Are you using liquid form or or a digital weight measurement do get your microdoses?

 

 

Thank you.


Started zoloft 25 mg on October 2009. Started tapering May 2016 to june 2016, last week at 12,5 mg and quit

Crashed 23 january 2017, severe headache and panic (never had this panic all my life) next morning.Tried to reinstate with prozac 5 mg a day on 25 January 2016, bad choice, got arrhytmias and stopped.

Started propranolol 40 mg as needed on january 2014 - Didnt touch it anymore since January 2017
23/02/17 reinstated to 2 mg, had arritmia at night

24/02/17 changed dose to 0.5 mg - ok

25/02/2017 updose again 1 mg - ok.

26/02/2017 1 mg again, had full night insomnia, like my head was blowing up overstimulated - im sure was side effect zoloft

27/02/2017 skipped dose this day, my brain was overstimulated from last night, i calculated the half lifes from the days before until this day, and even on skipping this day i still had 1.375 mg zoloft on blood.

28/02/2017 stayed at 0.5 mg since then

I know i shouldn´t do this flutuations with the doses upon first reinstating, but at the same time i knew that the ammounts where still close to each other, and my body handled the reducing somehow. Truth said, i felt a little better as soon i reduced to 0.5 mg.

 


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Posted 28 February 2017 - 05:46 PM

Sertralinsomina: Link to AmyK's introduction topic. She started posting on this site in January 2015.


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#23 AmyK

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 12:11 AM

Hi Sertralininsomnia!
I use a digital scale that can weigh down to 0.001 g (1 mg) and then I titrate in water to be able to get tiny, tiny doses. It can be done!
Best of luck.

Tapering Zoloft since 2011. Current dose: 0,013 mg

 

0,019 mg 22 March 0,039 mg 18 March? 0,052 mg 16 March 0,079 mg 4 March 0,086 1 March 0,099 mg 22 February 0,11 mg 15 February 0,13 mg 6 February 0,145 mg 24 January 0,15 mg 19 January 0,19 mg 10 January 0,20 mg 3 January

 

2016: 0,98 to 0,22 mg

2015: 2,35 to 1,01 mg

2014: 4,9 to 2,5 mg

2013: 9,1 to 5,1 mg

2012: 15,7 to 9,7 mg

2011: Started on 25 mg - then 50 mg- dropped to 25- to 12.5 mg - back to 25 mg - after 18.75 mg started tiny tapering to 16.6 mg

 

Started on 25 mg Zoloft in March 2011 due to stressrelated tinnitus that gave me panicattacks, then after two weeks up to 50 mg, which dose I was only on for five weeks. Had a terrible reaction to Zoloft from start, but was told to "hold on". After four months on 25 mg/12 mg/18,75 mg I was stuck. Therefore the long taper. Crazy, I know... Super sensitive to drops and have dropped by 4-6 % from the prevoius dose all the way from 17,5 mg.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:04 PM

Thank you Amyk and Scallywag,

I see. I think i could do the same with the liquid form. I can get 0.5 mg in liquid and titrate this dose in a small syrup of 10ml container. It would be 0.5mg divided by 10. This way i could manipulate the dose.

I saw in your introduction that you can feel when its time to drop. Does that mean that even if you hold on a specific microdose, your system doest like to hold to much time and starts wd? I tought it was only when we make a drop that wd symptoms would rise?

Started zoloft 25 mg on October 2009. Started tapering May 2016 to june 2016, last week at 12,5 mg and quit

Crashed 23 january 2017, severe headache and panic (never had this panic all my life) next morning.Tried to reinstate with prozac 5 mg a day on 25 January 2016, bad choice, got arrhytmias and stopped.

Started propranolol 40 mg as needed on january 2014 - Didnt touch it anymore since January 2017
23/02/17 reinstated to 2 mg, had arritmia at night

24/02/17 changed dose to 0.5 mg - ok

25/02/2017 updose again 1 mg - ok.

26/02/2017 1 mg again, had full night insomnia, like my head was blowing up overstimulated - im sure was side effect zoloft

27/02/2017 skipped dose this day, my brain was overstimulated from last night, i calculated the half lifes from the days before until this day, and even on skipping this day i still had 1.375 mg zoloft on blood.

28/02/2017 stayed at 0.5 mg since then

I know i shouldn´t do this flutuations with the doses upon first reinstating, but at the same time i knew that the ammounts where still close to each other, and my body handled the reducing somehow. Truth said, i felt a little better as soon i reduced to 0.5 mg.

 


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 11:03 PM

It's like I cant tolerate the drug. I get too much side effects after a while and have to drop. Then I usually feel better. I have never hold the dose more than five weeks. But that's me, it's different for everybody.

Good luck with the titration!

Tapering Zoloft since 2011. Current dose: 0,013 mg

 

0,019 mg 22 March 0,039 mg 18 March? 0,052 mg 16 March 0,079 mg 4 March 0,086 1 March 0,099 mg 22 February 0,11 mg 15 February 0,13 mg 6 February 0,145 mg 24 January 0,15 mg 19 January 0,19 mg 10 January 0,20 mg 3 January

 

2016: 0,98 to 0,22 mg

2015: 2,35 to 1,01 mg

2014: 4,9 to 2,5 mg

2013: 9,1 to 5,1 mg

2012: 15,7 to 9,7 mg

2011: Started on 25 mg - then 50 mg- dropped to 25- to 12.5 mg - back to 25 mg - after 18.75 mg started tiny tapering to 16.6 mg

 

Started on 25 mg Zoloft in March 2011 due to stressrelated tinnitus that gave me panicattacks, then after two weeks up to 50 mg, which dose I was only on for five weeks. Had a terrible reaction to Zoloft from start, but was told to "hold on". After four months on 25 mg/12 mg/18,75 mg I was stuck. Therefore the long taper. Crazy, I know... Super sensitive to drops and have dropped by 4-6 % from the prevoius dose all the way from 17,5 mg.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 10:29 AM

Very interesting. Its like your brain has an alarm to say: time to go down. Its the best alarm we can have because it is based on your nervous system schedule, and not some schedule rule in paper. I would be happy if had such alertness, it would be more precise. What kind of side effects you have Amyk?

Started zoloft 25 mg on October 2009. Started tapering May 2016 to june 2016, last week at 12,5 mg and quit

Crashed 23 january 2017, severe headache and panic (never had this panic all my life) next morning.Tried to reinstate with prozac 5 mg a day on 25 January 2016, bad choice, got arrhytmias and stopped.

Started propranolol 40 mg as needed on january 2014 - Didnt touch it anymore since January 2017
23/02/17 reinstated to 2 mg, had arritmia at night

24/02/17 changed dose to 0.5 mg - ok

25/02/2017 updose again 1 mg - ok.

26/02/2017 1 mg again, had full night insomnia, like my head was blowing up overstimulated - im sure was side effect zoloft

27/02/2017 skipped dose this day, my brain was overstimulated from last night, i calculated the half lifes from the days before until this day, and even on skipping this day i still had 1.375 mg zoloft on blood.

28/02/2017 stayed at 0.5 mg since then

I know i shouldn´t do this flutuations with the doses upon first reinstating, but at the same time i knew that the ammounts where still close to each other, and my body handled the reducing somehow. Truth said, i felt a little better as soon i reduced to 0.5 mg.

 


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 11:06 AM

Yes, it's like an alarm clock. Actually my nervous system never liked zoloft, but when I tried to stop quickly I just couldnt. If I would hold down my job.

My side effects are mostly: head ache, stoned feeling, numbness in foot, blurry vision, burning skin.

Take care!

Tapering Zoloft since 2011. Current dose: 0,013 mg

 

0,019 mg 22 March 0,039 mg 18 March? 0,052 mg 16 March 0,079 mg 4 March 0,086 1 March 0,099 mg 22 February 0,11 mg 15 February 0,13 mg 6 February 0,145 mg 24 January 0,15 mg 19 January 0,19 mg 10 January 0,20 mg 3 January

 

2016: 0,98 to 0,22 mg

2015: 2,35 to 1,01 mg

2014: 4,9 to 2,5 mg

2013: 9,1 to 5,1 mg

2012: 15,7 to 9,7 mg

2011: Started on 25 mg - then 50 mg- dropped to 25- to 12.5 mg - back to 25 mg - after 18.75 mg started tiny tapering to 16.6 mg

 

Started on 25 mg Zoloft in March 2011 due to stressrelated tinnitus that gave me panicattacks, then after two weeks up to 50 mg, which dose I was only on for five weeks. Had a terrible reaction to Zoloft from start, but was told to "hold on". After four months on 25 mg/12 mg/18,75 mg I was stuck. Therefore the long taper. Crazy, I know... Super sensitive to drops and have dropped by 4-6 % from the prevoius dose all the way from 17,5 mg.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 02:55 PM

When you have those side effects and make the drop, how long your side effects last. One day or more? Or do you notice improvement as soon as you drop? Sorry for making so many questions. I am antecipating my plan to taper since you are on a low dose like me of the same med. My example is a little more different. I had a delayed widhtdrawal after 7 months. So i am afraid that even if i jump off in a very low dose, i dont feel any side effects only to get them delayed after 7 months again, but this time i am afraid that another reinstatement would not work, since i jumped off at a very low micro dose.


Started zoloft 25 mg on October 2009. Started tapering May 2016 to june 2016, last week at 12,5 mg and quit

Crashed 23 january 2017, severe headache and panic (never had this panic all my life) next morning.Tried to reinstate with prozac 5 mg a day on 25 January 2016, bad choice, got arrhytmias and stopped.

Started propranolol 40 mg as needed on january 2014 - Didnt touch it anymore since January 2017
23/02/17 reinstated to 2 mg, had arritmia at night

24/02/17 changed dose to 0.5 mg - ok

25/02/2017 updose again 1 mg - ok.

26/02/2017 1 mg again, had full night insomnia, like my head was blowing up overstimulated - im sure was side effect zoloft

27/02/2017 skipped dose this day, my brain was overstimulated from last night, i calculated the half lifes from the days before until this day, and even on skipping this day i still had 1.375 mg zoloft on blood.

28/02/2017 stayed at 0.5 mg since then

I know i shouldn´t do this flutuations with the doses upon first reinstating, but at the same time i knew that the ammounts where still close to each other, and my body handled the reducing somehow. Truth said, i felt a little better as soon i reduced to 0.5 mg.

 


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 07:16 PM

Hi Sert...

 

Although you're on a low dose, you jumped without tapering that 12.5 from what I can tell.  I'm on 2 beads Effexor and am holding for 6 months, then will drop to 1 and hold maybe for another 6 months and then jump.  I've been tapering well over 3 years now, from 75 mgs. with a taper from less than 17 mgs. from 2 years ago.  I've had no w/d and I sure hope I won't considering how slow and easy I'm taking this.  You should be reducing that 12.5 very gradually over a long period of time so that w/d doesn't hit and hold in between for long periods to stabilize so that your CNS gets used to the changes I think.


.5 mgs. Risperdal, Feb. 1/16 10% cut or less., mild w/d symptoms (cut too much), Apr. 1/16 5% or less cut, no w/d symptoms, May 15/16 5% or less cut, no w/d symptoms, Sept. 1/16 less than .25 mgs., no w/d symptoms, feeling great.  Risperdal tablets are disintegrating so shaving tiny tiny amounts is how I do it.

 

2012 to Aug./15 tapered 75 mgs. Effexor to nothing, felt great for 3 months then hit an anxiety patch late Oct., couldn't sleep, shaky all the time, couldn't concentrate. Nov. 1/15 reinstated tiny fraction, Feb. 1/16 8 beads, June 1/16 4 beads, Sept. 1/16 3 beads, no w/d symptoms, Feb. 10/16 2 beads, great no w/d symptoms, taking this really really slow.

 

200 mgs. Trazodone for sleep.  Will taper very slowly when Effexor and Risperdal are done with proven stability.

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 01:12 AM

They go away almost immidately, Sertralinisomnia.
But you cant compare my process to yours if your body reacts in a different way.
I can see that you reinstated at 2 mg a few days ago. Stabilize real well (throw out the calendar), then consider a tiny drop of maybe 5 %. Stabilization in between drops are crucial. I always feel stabilized before side effects hit again.
Take care.

Tapering Zoloft since 2011. Current dose: 0,013 mg

 

0,019 mg 22 March 0,039 mg 18 March? 0,052 mg 16 March 0,079 mg 4 March 0,086 1 March 0,099 mg 22 February 0,11 mg 15 February 0,13 mg 6 February 0,145 mg 24 January 0,15 mg 19 January 0,19 mg 10 January 0,20 mg 3 January

 

2016: 0,98 to 0,22 mg

2015: 2,35 to 1,01 mg

2014: 4,9 to 2,5 mg

2013: 9,1 to 5,1 mg

2012: 15,7 to 9,7 mg

2011: Started on 25 mg - then 50 mg- dropped to 25- to 12.5 mg - back to 25 mg - after 18.75 mg started tiny tapering to 16.6 mg

 

Started on 25 mg Zoloft in March 2011 due to stressrelated tinnitus that gave me panicattacks, then after two weeks up to 50 mg, which dose I was only on for five weeks. Had a terrible reaction to Zoloft from start, but was told to "hold on". After four months on 25 mg/12 mg/18,75 mg I was stuck. Therefore the long taper. Crazy, I know... Super sensitive to drops and have dropped by 4-6 % from the prevoius dose all the way from 17,5 mg.


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Posted 03 March 2017 - 05:16 AM

Thank you very much Amyk and ppppp9. I appreciated very much your support.


Started zoloft 25 mg on October 2009. Started tapering May 2016 to june 2016, last week at 12,5 mg and quit

Crashed 23 january 2017, severe headache and panic (never had this panic all my life) next morning.Tried to reinstate with prozac 5 mg a day on 25 January 2016, bad choice, got arrhytmias and stopped.

Started propranolol 40 mg as needed on january 2014 - Didnt touch it anymore since January 2017
23/02/17 reinstated to 2 mg, had arritmia at night

24/02/17 changed dose to 0.5 mg - ok

25/02/2017 updose again 1 mg - ok.

26/02/2017 1 mg again, had full night insomnia, like my head was blowing up overstimulated - im sure was side effect zoloft

27/02/2017 skipped dose this day, my brain was overstimulated from last night, i calculated the half lifes from the days before until this day, and even on skipping this day i still had 1.375 mg zoloft on blood.

28/02/2017 stayed at 0.5 mg since then

I know i shouldn´t do this flutuations with the doses upon first reinstating, but at the same time i knew that the ammounts where still close to each other, and my body handled the reducing somehow. Truth said, i felt a little better as soon i reduced to 0.5 mg.

 


#32 Cheeky

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 09:26 PM

you guys are amazing, I so wish I could tapper like the rest of you but am very sensitive to changes. I'm going to try again at a 2% decrease and see how I go,


-1995 to 2014 started at 20mg for 10 years and slowly increased it to 50mg Paxil-2014 8th of October 25mg Seraquel Started -2014 Tapered of Aropax from Oct 16th to 22nd Nov in only 1 week-2014 Oct 25th started Cymbalta on 30mg fo 1 week Nov 7th 60mg Cymbalta for 2 weeks and Nov 25th -28th 90mg Cymbalta - plus 50mg Seraquel-Tapered of Cymbalta from Nov 28th to 7th Dec - started Zoloft 50mg on the 8th of Dec-12th Dec 75mg Zoloft 16th Dec 100mg Zoloft and still on the 50mg Seraquel-2015 6th Jan 25mg Seraquel 15th Jan 125mg Zoloft and 50mg seraquel-21st Jan 20mg Paxil plus 50mg Seraquel 24th of Jan 30mg Paxil 27th of Jan 40mg Paxil<p>-started Seraquel Tapper Febuary 24th to 43.7mg then March 29th 37.5mg of seraquel May 6th 31.25mg May 28th 25mg4th Nov 21mg Seraquel 14th feb 12.5 Seraquel and still on 40mg PaxilCurrently 12.5mg Seraquel1st may started my Paxil tapper 5% 38mg 16th June 5% 36.8mg 23rd July 35.5mg August 6th 35mg
August 23rd 34.5mg currently 19th October 40mg Paxil and 50mg Seraquel at night 2nd November 43mg Seraquel

17th March 2017 39.5mg  Paxil and 43mg Seraquel


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:00 AM

A bit over 2.5 years so far. I'm hoping that I can be off in another year. I've prioritised feeling well so it's been slow.


My thread here at AS: http://survivinganti...-bubbles/page-3

2001 Hashimotos diagnosis

2005 St John's Wort

2006 Lexapro 20mg

2 unsuccessful attempts to discontinue

Discontinued successfully over 5 or so months in early 2012

January 2013 started sertraline, over time worked way up to 100mg

July 2014 dropped from 100mg to 75mg, held for several months

January 2015 started to taper to 50mg over several months, held for several months

February 2016 at 35mg

6 March 2016 at 33 mg

(also takes Armour Thyroid plus a small dose T4)


#34 Panicpax

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 10:58 AM

hi everyone
it's so painful.
I tried a few times 2 years each to go down from 20 paxil till i reached 1.6mg once and 3.6mg 2 month ago.
unfortunately I'm back on 20mg with klonopin too that I will taper soon.

but then the question lingers ... if i relapse or have severe withdrawal at low dosages.. why not taper down to let's say 10mg and stay there till they find an antidote... quality of life sucks when u r obsessed about and feeling WD all the time even if mild.. and how do u know u won't be protracted later... other then sexual side effects personally I don't have but go away at a dose of 10 by 70% .

does anyone think there will be an antidote in the next year's to upregulate sert? as flumazinil is for benzos?
neuromodulation?? deep tms?

it's so sad they we all have to suffer like this and feel so disappointed at psychiatry and how they haven't found a solution... yes even though you might say pharma doesn't care but with 15 to 20% of Americans and probably much more countries addicted to ssri's and taken it for decades and suffering severe WD ... there has to be pressure somehow to find an antidote.

there just has to... I dont see anymore hope other then that... because tapering over and over slowly just to end up where u were and going through startups is just hell on earth.

personaly I sometimes hope for a natural cause of death because honeslty... this ain't a life ... whats the purpose without that hope?

october 31st 2007

panic attacks after the trying ambien and recovering from the flu 

paxil 20mg by a psychaitrist 

2 attempts to stop

1st down to 10 then over night switch to prozac ( 2 weeks later total WD relieved after 7 weeks 1 hour after taking 10 of paxil again)

2nd tapered with liquid over 2 year ( down to 1.6mg) then doctor mistaked WD with relapse)( didnt go slow enogh and on 20mg with klonopin 1mg

klonopin only 5 month( made liquid and got off)

 

3rd attemp now

liquid over 2 years reached 3.6mg

my way (0.2mg down a week ) now stuck nd need to go slower.


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 11:28 AM

There is no antidote, no magic bullet.  The only thing that is proven to work is a very slow, careful, controlled reduction of the medication.  It's a frustrating slow, tedious process and is frequently very painful, but it works. For many people this process will create a whole new definition of the word slow.

 

It's entirely up to each individual if they want to reduce to a certain point and hold indefinitely , but it's not recommended here.  These drugs were originally designed for short term use, not a life time.  Eventually everyone taking them will reach tolerance, where the drug stops working but the body requires it to maintain "normal function".  When that happens getting off of them becomes a lot harder.


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.008mg 03-17-2016

 

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Posted 10 March 2017 - 02:24 AM

2 yrs, but I have yet to start it.


Feb 2014 -Cipralex/Escitalopram 10mg daily June 2015 - Started taper, 5mg every other day July 2015 - 5mg every 2 days August 2015 - 5mg every 3 days September 2015 - 5mg every 4 days Sept 14th - Completed tapering, but at 7 weeks "drug free" I suffered serious WD symptoms as a consequence of "incorrect" tapering. Nov 25 2015 - Re-instated Cipralex @ 2.5mg daily. WD symptoms disappeared over a few days. Have been on this dose ever since and am experiencing "windows" and "waves". Nov 15th 2016 Re-started Therapy Jan 19th 2017 Started CBT. Jan 2017 Homeopathic Treatment starts 4th Jan 2017. Mar 2017 Naturopathic Treatment starts - anti-Candida diet starts as diagnosis of Systemic Candida. 24 March 2017 DETOX started for anti-Candida to help "re-set" my gut. April 2017 Gut Cleanse - 6 weeks.
Plan to re-start taper (liquid Cipralex/Escitalopram)