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#1 rapunzel2

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Posted 17 December 2016 - 06:21 AM

It's a question for those people who have started slow tapering from the beginning (and not for those who discovered the forum after too fast taper). 

 

It has taken me 3,5 years to reduce from:

- 40mg fluoxetine to 6mg

- 50mg quetiapine to 7,25mg

 

It seems to get harder on the low doses, so even if I dream that it will take me 1 more year, more realistically, it will rather be 2 more years ( I really hope not more). 

 

So my taper will probably take 5,5 years. All this time filled with unpleasant, disturbing withdrawal symptoms, which prohibit my functioning. 

 

Why I'm asking such question - I read from the forum all the time that people do slow tapers (10% decreases) and they finish their tapers in 2-3 years. It seems that even in this context here, I'm having much harder time than average, and it takes me longer to withdraw. I want to compare myself to others and see what is the estimated time for other members.

 

I understand that estimate is estimate and it's not possible to know how the reality will play out. but still, it will be interesting to me. 


in 2002- cipramil for half a year, ended it uneventfully. in 2006 - citalopram for half a year, ended in horrific state, ditched the drugs CT. 2006-2008 not feeling well but drug free. in 2008 prozac 20mg + quetiapine 25mg. 2009 tried to stop, ended up in hole after couple of months, started zoloft. 2009-2011 zoloft 50mg. went to 25mg in 2011 summer, it resulted in half a year horrible suffering. reinstated, changed drugs, nothing happened. by 2012 beginning suddenly felt great and CT meds. after 4 months came suddenly most horrible human suffering that's possible. started tapering slowly, GFCF diet and Hardy Nutritionals vitamins in 2013 summer. 

current medications: 1) fluoxetine and quetiapine since Aug 2012; 2) Daily Essential Nutrients by Hardy Nutritionals 10 capsules / since May 2013 + omega3; 3) Gluten-free-casein-free diet since june 2013; 4) free form amino acid complex 3 capsules 5) milk thistle 6) niacin 1500mg

25. april'13 fluoxetine 40mg -> 36mg (10%); 25. may'13 fluoxetine 36mg -> 32mg (1 month inbetween, 11%); 4. july'13 fluoxetine 32mg-> 28mg (5,5 weeks, 13%); 27. july'13 quetiapine 50 -> 45mg (10%); 15. aug'13 fluoxetine 28mg -> 24mg (6 weeks, 14%); 29. sept'13 quetiapine 45 -> 40mg (1,5 months, 11%); 14. oct'13 quetiapine 40mg -> 35mg (2 weeks, 13%); 16. oct'13 quetiapine 35mg -> 40mg; 17. oct'13 fluoxetine 24mg -> 22 mg (8%); 4. feb’14 fluoxetine 22mg -> 21mg (3,5 months hold inbetween, 5% cut); 21. feb'14 fluoxetine 21mg -> 20,5mg (2,5 weeks, 2,4% cut); 27 feb'14 fluoxetine 20,5mg -> 20mg (1 week, 2,4% cut); 30 mar'14 fluoxetine 20mg -> 19,5mg (4,5 weeks, 2,4% cut); 17 may'14 quetiapine 40mg -> 31mg (22% cut); 31 may'14 fluoxetine 19,5mg -> 17,56mg (9,9%); 13 july'14 quetiapine 31mg -> 25mg (19% cut); 19 july'14 quetiapine 25mg -> 18, 75mg (25% cut, 6 days); 28. july'14 quetiapine 18,75mg -> 22mg (-15%); 9. aug'14 fluoxetine 17,52mg -> 17,12mg (2,3% cut, 10 weeks, over 2 months); 19. aug'14 back to 17,52mg due to bad withdrawal symptoms; 20. oct'14 fluoxetine 17,52 -> 17,2mg (1,8% cut); 28. nov'14 fluoxetine 17,2 -> 15,6 (9,8%); 9. feb’15 fluoxetine 15,6 -> 14,4 (7,7%); 3. may’15 quetiapine 22mg -> 19mg (-14%); 27. may’15 fluoxetine 14,4mg -> 12,6mg (-12,5%, 1,8mg); 2. july’15 fluoxetine 12,6mg -> 10,6mg (15,9%, 2mg); 26. oct'15 fluoxetine 10,6mg - 9mg (15%, 1,6mg); 18. jan'16 quetiapine 18mg -> 15mg (17%); 16. mar'16 fluoxetine 9mg -> 7,4mg (18%); 22.may'16 fluoxetine 7,4mg -> 6mg (19%); 19.sept'16 quetiapine 12,5 -> 11,25 (10%); 26. sept'16 quetiapine 11,25 -> 10,25 (9%), 3 oct'16 quetiapine 10,25 -> 9,25 (10%); 10 oc'16 quetiapine 9,25-> 8,25mg (11%), 14 nov'16 quetiapine 8,25 -> 7,25 (12%). 

 


#2 Lakelander82

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Posted 17 December 2016 - 04:11 PM

Look at the speed of my taper since late August...painstaking wouldn't be the word....
May 2007 - October 2007 Citalopram 20 mg od. 1st Antidepressant ever taken. No problem with fast taper and no withdrawal effects. No antidepressants for over 5 years.

January 2013 started Citalopram 20mg.
March 2014 Switched to Sertraline 50 mg od.
23rd June 2016 started taper 45mg
23rd July 2016 40.5 mg of Sertraline
23rd August 36.45 mg of Sertraline
27th September 34.65 mg
24th October 32.90 mg
28th November 31.26 mg
4th January 32mg

#3 LexAnger

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 12:29 AM

Valid question! I thought about it too myself.

Although each individual can be quite different, and the experts estimates are 2-4 years for CTers. From what I learned for both slow taper and CT, the everage # year is similar, 4-6 years for full coverage, assuming the starting dose is the normal recommended dose, single drug, and no big extra accidents along the way.

I'm at my 4th year going to the 5th yr, never been at high dose but did increas dose couple times during taper, so not a steady taper, I'm at 1 mg Lexapro and thinking 2 more years until full recovery, with 1 more year to reach zero and the other one for post zero fine tune.

I feel your estimate of two more years very rational, leaxopro is 2+ more potency than Prozac.

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.
2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg
2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain
2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg, first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain
2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, slight improvement with pain
2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on
2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.
2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR
2016 Feb., started fast taper for the drug toxicity caused by the one dose of 4.2mg, dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday
2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg
2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.5mg, 1/21--0.3mg, 1/22--0.25mg,


#4 AmyK

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 08:25 AM

It has taken me 5.5 years from 25 mg zoloft to 0.24 mg. I am super sensitive, I know that. I have dropped by 5 % every month, except when I came under 2 mg. Then I have dropped when I felt ready, sometimes only after seven - ten days.

One just have to throw the calendar out. Now on this tiny dose I almost dont feel the drop. And I can see the end of all this.

Best of luck.

Tapering Zoloft since 2011. Current dose: 0,15 mg

0,19 mg 10 January 0,20 mg 3 January 0,224 mg 20 December 0,24 mg 10 December 0,27 mg 3 December 0,29 mg 22 November 0,33 mg 11 November 0,635 mg 30 October 0,64 mg 20 October 0,645 mg 7 October 0,65 25 September 0,653 mg 15 September 0,658 mg 25 August 0,675 mg 15 August 0,68 mg 9 August 0,685 mg 2 August 0,69 mg 20 July 0,70 mg 1 July 0,71 mg 20 June 0,72 mg 8 June 0,75 mg 9 May 0,77 mg 25 April 0,81 mg 10 April 0,82 mg 2 April 0,84 mg 22 March 0,86 mg 12 March 0,92 mg 17 February 0,94 mg 5 February 0,96 mg 27 January 0,97 mg 11 January 2016 0,98 mg 25 December

2015: 2,35 to 1,01 mg
2014: 4,9 to 2,5 mg
2013: 9,1 to 5,1 mg
2012: 15,7 to 9,7 mg
2011: Started on 25 mg - then 50 mg- dropped to 25- to 12.5 mg - back to 25 mg - after 18.75 mg started tiny tapering to 16.6 mg

Started on 25 mg Zoloft in March 2011 due to stressrelated tinnitus that gave me panicattacks, then after two weeks up to 50 mg, which dose I was only on for five weeks. Had a terrible reaction to Zoloft from start, but was told to "hold on". After four months on 25 mg/12 mg/18,75 mg I was stuck. Therefore the long taper. Crazy, I know... Super sensitive to drops and have dropped by 4-6 % from the prevoius dose all the way from 17,5 mg.


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 08:11 PM

It has taken me 2 years to taper from 37.50 of Remeron to 1.75mgs.   It has taken me 19 months to taper from 200mgs of Lamictal to 22.50 mgs.

 

I was on the full dose of each medication for 11 months a piece. 

 

I estimate I will be off the Remeron by end of January 2017 and the Lamictal in the late Spring/early Summer of 2017.  


September 2013-April 2014: After the death of my mom in July 2012.-became very depressed in September of 2013. Given a series of antidepressants very quickly from about 4 different psychiatrists in a 4 month period. Each one was from 1 day to 10 days at the most. My body could not handle it-I had Zoloft 4 days, Lexapro-1 day, Nortriptyline-10 days, Liquid Prozac, 1 week, Cymbalta 1 week.

December 2013-September 2014: Put on Xanax after a reaction to the Lexapro, averaging .50-1mg per day. Switched to Clonazepam-midway averaging about 0.25-0.50 daily.

June 2014: Jan/Feb 2015: Put on 7.5 Remeron titrate up to 41.25mgs  September 2014-July 2015: Put on 25mgs of Lamictal titrate up to 200mgs daily. Also stopped the Clonzepam- never felt the wd I had experienced when I tried to stop it before (knowing nothing about withdrawal) because the Lamictal calmed me down.

 

Currently: Tapering both medications together using micro cuts. Started tapering Remeron in January 2015,  Started tapering Lamictal July 2015 Main wd symptoms-sweating, nausea, headaches, deep crying, anxiety. 12/21 Remeron 1.6 Lamictal 22.50 mgs 1/19/17 Remeron 1.2mgs, Lamictal 22.50mg

 

Additional Support: Acupuncture with Reflexology  Alanon, L-Theanine for anxiety as needed, Estradial patch 0.025, Bio-indentical Progesterone cream 150-200  Armour Thyroid 90mgs.


#6 blazesboylan

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Posted 24 December 2016 - 03:00 AM

Hello,

 

I started tapering roughly 2.5 years ago. It has taken me that time to go from 300 mg Effexor to 65 mg which is where I am now. When I started out I never thought that it would take this long though. I have had to re-instate on some occasions.

 

I was talking risperidone at one point and my doctor switched me over to olanzapine about 14 months ago. I have been tapering that (the olanzapine) also although I have been primarily focussed on the Effexor.

 

I haven't made any changes to the mirtazapine at all. My plan is is to taper off the effexor and olanzapine completely and then start tapering the mirtazapine. I suppose that realistically I am looking at other two years potentially.

 

It does take a long time I suppose but slowly wins the race in this game.

 

Merry Christmas  :)


Previously - zopiclone, risperidone, lyrica (pregabalin), ativan (lorezapam)
 
30/Apr/2016 - 90mg Effexor, 5.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
16/May/2016 - 90mg Effexor, 5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
07/Jun/2016 -  80mg Effexor, 5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
25/Jun/2016 -  80mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
04/Jul/2016 -  72mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
01/Aug/2016 -  65mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
12/Aug/2016 -  75mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
03/Oct/2016 -  70mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
29/Oct/2016 -  65mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
25/Nov/2016 -  65mg Effexor, 4mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
25/Dec/2016 -  60mg Effexor, 3.6mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
18/Jan/2017 -  60mg Effexor, 5.25mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
 
Valium (diazepam) as needed. Not daily.
 
Note : I would really hope that nobody uses my tapering history as a guideline. It seems to be working for me (at the moment) but might not work well for somebody else tapering similar medications.

 


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Posted 26 December 2016 - 09:44 AM

Started Lyrica in Feb. 2015. I've been tapering off of Lyrica since April 2015. Was at 450mg when I started and am now at 35mg/day.
It has been the greatest challenge of my life. Starting to think about when to jump off. I'm guessing I'll jump from 5mg. The thing that concerns me is that it seems to be getting more difficult as the dosages get smaller. My logic assumed it would get easier as the dosage got below the lowest effective prescription doses thinking my CNS just wouldn't notice. Apparently I'm wrong. Once this is all over and I am well again I plan on making an appointment with the original doctor who prescribed this drug to me (to ease the transition off of Zoloft) and tell him my story, with many pages of others' stories of withdrawal in tow. He told me that Lyrica was non habit forming and easy to discontinue. I wonder what he would say to the family of yet another Lyrica user who committed suicide right before xmas that I just read about on the Lyrica Survivors FB page. Perhaps he'll think twice before casually putting yet another person in this prison cell...
On Zoloft 150mg-200mg from 1991-Nov. 2014. Weaned off over 40+ weeks (too fast unbeknownst to me at the time) Protracted withdrawal began in Jan. 2015 Currently weaning off Lyrica (pregabalin). Started Apr. 2015. titrated up to 400mg/day. <p>"The quality of your life is determined by the amount of uncertainty you can comfortably live with" -- Anthony Robbins

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Posted 27 December 2016 - 04:26 AM

I managed to go from 75mg Lyrica to zero and I don't think that I had any major discontinuation issues if any.

 

I had been on 150mg prior to that. I dropped to 75mg and stayed there for a couple of months. Then zero.

 

Everyone is different I suppose. I wouldn't recommend that anyone else tries the same. Perhaps I was lucky. I am generally more cautious with my tapering.


Previously - zopiclone, risperidone, lyrica (pregabalin), ativan (lorezapam)
 
30/Apr/2016 - 90mg Effexor, 5.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
16/May/2016 - 90mg Effexor, 5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
07/Jun/2016 -  80mg Effexor, 5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
25/Jun/2016 -  80mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
04/Jul/2016 -  72mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
01/Aug/2016 -  65mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
12/Aug/2016 -  75mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
03/Oct/2016 -  70mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
29/Oct/2016 -  65mg Effexor, 4.5mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
25/Nov/2016 -  65mg Effexor, 4mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
25/Dec/2016 -  60mg Effexor, 3.6mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
18/Jan/2017 -  60mg Effexor, 5.25mg olanzapine, 15mg mirtazpaine
 
Valium (diazepam) as needed. Not daily.
 
Note : I would really hope that nobody uses my tapering history as a guideline. It seems to be working for me (at the moment) but might not work well for somebody else tapering similar medications.

 


#9 Asjf

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Posted 15 January 2017 - 06:29 PM

Thanks for sharing Blazes. What can I say? I guess you're lucky:)
On Zoloft 150mg-200mg from 1991-Nov. 2014. Weaned off over 40+ weeks (too fast unbeknownst to me at the time) Protracted withdrawal began in Jan. 2015 Currently weaning off Lyrica (pregabalin). Started Apr. 2015. titrated up to 400mg/day. <p>"The quality of your life is determined by the amount of uncertainty you can comfortably live with" -- Anthony Robbins

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 06:47 PM

I've been tapering off Effexor roughly 3 years I think from 75 mg now at 3 beads with 1 minor reinstatement. All had been going well. Also tapering Risperdal 1 cut every 4-5 months or so. I expect it'll take me another year or so tone off both comfortably.

.5 mgs. Risperdal, Feb. 1/16 10% cut or less., mild w/d symptoms (cut too much), Apr. 1/16 5% or less cut, no w/d symptoms, May 15/16 5% or less cut, no w/d symptoms.  Risperdal tablets are disintegrating so shaving tiny tiny amounts is how I do it.

 

2012 to Aug./15 tapered 75 mgs. Effexor to nothing, felt great for 3 months then hit an anxiety patch late Oct., couldn't sleep, shaky all the time, couldn't concentrate. Nov. 1/15 reinstated tiny fraction, Feb. 1/16 8 beads, June 1/16 4 beads, Sept. 1/16 3 beads, no w/d symptoms, taking this really really slow.

 

200 mgs. Trazodone for sleep.  Will taper very slowly when Effexor and Risperdal are done with proven stability.

Taking Magnesium Citrate, Omega 3 Fish Oil  and Ashwagandha (has calming effect, promotes good sleep & feel energized)