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#1 powerback

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 11:19 AM

Hi all I'm on day 3 of tapering off venlafaxine XL 37.5, only 2 beads out at a time,I will get a scales soon because It will only get harder the more I have to count out the beads .I am  going to take it extremely slowly  this time.I did a taper in march 2016 and it lasted till the june and i didn't go beyond 5 beads out each day before going back to 37,5.

Its been a very tough time , I have extreme anxiety,extreme iratibillaty ,intrusive thoughts,. to name a few.

What I have learned since that time is to have compassion for ones self and b very patient when doing the taper .

My advice to everyone is don't ever believe u cant get through it .our nervous system and soul take time to heal

Over the last 3 years I have learned and practice mindfulness ,it is amazing.

It has helped me to calm down during a couple of flights to the UK when starting to panic.

Today I had a bad anxiety attack but I was able to snap out of the attack fairly quickly because I have been practicing it and I recommend   always getting out for a walk in the sun if u can and clear your mind.

Please always keep your mind open to new ways to heal.We all now its hard but don't ever let anyone break your spirit.

Total respect to everyone .

Edited by scallywag, 10 January 2017 - 10:13 AM.
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21​/06/2012 citrol10mg for stress, constant urination ,diazepam 2mg 26/07/2012 .12/07/2012 citroll 20mg,

​24/09/2013 Lexapro 20mg.didnt take them for a week during this year felt extremely strange ,had no idea down to drugs at the time .

​20/10/2014 venlafaxine xl 75mg.09/01/2015 venlafaxine xl 37.5. questioned doctor about drop in dose ,I was told no problem.

​13/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 150mg NEVER TOOK THEM getting wise?.20/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 75mg.19/08/2015 Xanax 250mcg [agitated]

​10/06/2015 venlafaxine 37.5mg.02/03/2016 five beads out for taper only lasted till 06/06/2016 extreme irritability and anxiety. 

​11/11/2016 Xanax 250mcg took them for few days ,fairly distressing time [working nearly impossible].11/11/2016 I was given a prescription for  Zyprexa 2.5mg AND DECIDED  NOT TO GET IT FROM CHEMIST.[my doctor gave them a great sales pitch ,talking about other patients that have benefited ,in witch it just annoyed me ]


#2 KarenB

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 10:22 PM

Welcome Powerback,

 

So glad to hear you are planning a slow taper.  It really does make a huge difference.  I am tapering effexor (brand-name venlafaxine) I tell people that it's hard, but with the right information it can be done. 

 

We recommend a gentle taper, reducing by no more than 10% of your current dose each month.  This allows your brain time to adjust as you go, and lessens any withdrawal.  It is safer than reducing by 2 beads at a time, because eventually that 2 beads will put you over the 10% recommendation.  Tips for tapering Venlafaxine.  The scales are a good idea as it's more accurate to weigh what stays in the capsule, rather than what is taken out (due to capsules varying in weight/number of beads). 

 

Many people find Fish oil and Magnesium useful during withdrawal.   

 

Keep it Simple; Keep it Slow; Keep it Stable

 

It sounds like you have some good methods to deal with things, but if you ever need more this is a great thread:  Non-Drug Techniques to cope with emotional symptoms.

 

Please put your withdrawal history in your signature – all drugs/dates/dosages etc - so we can see your situation easily whenever you post, and help you more accurately.  Thanks.

 

Have a read of those and then you can come back to this thread to discuss things further.  This will be your journal to record your tapering and healing progress, and to ask questions. 

 

Welcome to SA,

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2010 May Fluoxetine 20mg. Raging mostly stops, become more functional.
2011 February Escitalopram 10mg (sudden switch). 2012 January Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Early June Feeling great, decide to taper. Doc advises alternate days 20mg/10mg for 4 weeks.  Late June Steady. Drop to 10mg daily. Early July Not coping, raging, flu symptoms, shaky, anxious, low, spaced-out, self-destructive.  Mid July Return to alternate days 20mg/10mg - minimal improvement. Early August Return to full dose 20mg. Lost.
2014 February Switch to Venlafaxine. (First reduced Esc. to 10mg/day for a week) Feb-April Lost, 'light' self-harm, exhausted.
April Increase Ven. to 150mg/day. Dizzy. July 75mg twice a day to improve dizziness. Deep depression remains.  2015 Feb Vigilant dose spacing partially eases dizziness. Mar Switch to Effexor 75mg 2x/day. May Cut 10% to 135mg - bad w/d 2 mths, held 1 mth.  Aug 1.3% cut - bad 1mth, held 1mth. Oct 4 wkly 0.4% cuts held 6 weeks. Jan 2016 2 wkly 0.4% cuts. 8 month hold. Sept Wkly cuts: 0.5%, 3 1% cuts.  Oct 4 wkly 1% cuts, hold 3-4 weeks.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamins E & C, magnesium, iron, MSM, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.  My story of healing: ContinuedHealing

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 09:53 AM

Hi karen thanks for reply and the info.My memory not great with withdrawal so keep meaning  to get my exact drug history from my doctor.

I have learned loads since last taper so this time nice and slow.


21​/06/2012 citrol10mg for stress, constant urination ,diazepam 2mg 26/07/2012 .12/07/2012 citroll 20mg,

​24/09/2013 Lexapro 20mg.didnt take them for a week during this year felt extremely strange ,had no idea down to drugs at the time .

​20/10/2014 venlafaxine xl 75mg.09/01/2015 venlafaxine xl 37.5. questioned doctor about drop in dose ,I was told no problem.

​13/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 150mg NEVER TOOK THEM getting wise?.20/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 75mg.19/08/2015 Xanax 250mcg [agitated]

​10/06/2015 venlafaxine 37.5mg.02/03/2016 five beads out for taper only lasted till 06/06/2016 extreme irritability and anxiety. 

​11/11/2016 Xanax 250mcg took them for few days ,fairly distressing time [working nearly impossible].11/11/2016 I was given a prescription for  Zyprexa 2.5mg AND DECIDED  NOT TO GET IT FROM CHEMIST.[my doctor gave them a great sales pitch ,talking about other patients that have benefited ,in witch it just annoyed me ]


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 07:40 PM

Hey powerback - welcome to SA!

 

Do I understand that you are reducing beads on a daily basis?

 

This sounds too fast, still!

 

We have found that - in order to reduce symptoms and be successful in getting off the drugs - that 10% of prior dose - wait a month - is the best method.

 

As you go, sometimes you find you can speed it up, but also - you may have to slow it down.  If you are having symptoms, it is a sign that you are going too fast.  The goal is to sneak the drug out without your nervous system knowing about it, like playing Jenga.  Once your nervous system knows, the tower collapses, and it's hard to put that genie back in the bottle.  (sorry, mixed metaphors!)

 

Additionally, as you get closer to the lower ends of the dose, it is vitally important to slow down.  Your docs may say, "oh, that's a very low dose, just drop off!" but we have learned that the lower ends of the dose occupy the receptors at a higher percentage, so that change in the dose makes a bigger difference.  Here's a more scientific explanation than I could ever give:  The importance of tapering on plasma concentration

 

That's terrific that you've got a mindfulness toolkit!  You have done it like I recommend - if you do a regular practice, then the tools are available for you when you are in distress.  (trying to learn the tools while you are in distress is next to impossible!).  I love the daily sun-walk, too, but here in Australia, that's awfully hot sometimes, but I need it for my sleep cycles, too.

 

so - you will fully understand when I say what I always say:

 

I hope you see the sun today!


"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

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Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 04:18 AM

Hi Jancarol
Thanks so much as I read your reply the pit of my stomach has dropped, the whole time I'm doing it wrong, I c how 2 beads is too much,it should b weekly or monthly. The old me would of went mad and my destructive inner critic would of tore myself apart for making that mistake .I've learned to control the critic once I became aware of it.

My cognitive functioning has been terrible, I could cry with the  symptoms I've been putting up,  I'm going back to 37.5 asap.

I've had to cut down on work because of it and its nearly wrecked me.

Its perfectly clear now :o .

2 months ago I left a job I was on because I couldn't take the noise, its the most distressed I've ever been and my doctor said Zyprexa and thank god I knew enough to say no and I've  had loads of rest over Christmas.

thank u so much

Edited by scallywag, 12 January 2017 - 09:34 AM.
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21​/06/2012 citrol10mg for stress, constant urination ,diazepam 2mg 26/07/2012 .12/07/2012 citroll 20mg,

​24/09/2013 Lexapro 20mg.didnt take them for a week during this year felt extremely strange ,had no idea down to drugs at the time .

​20/10/2014 venlafaxine xl 75mg.09/01/2015 venlafaxine xl 37.5. questioned doctor about drop in dose ,I was told no problem.

​13/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 150mg NEVER TOOK THEM getting wise?.20/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 75mg.19/08/2015 Xanax 250mcg [agitated]

​10/06/2015 venlafaxine 37.5mg.02/03/2016 five beads out for taper only lasted till 06/06/2016 extreme irritability and anxiety. 

​11/11/2016 Xanax 250mcg took them for few days ,fairly distressing time [working nearly impossible].11/11/2016 I was given a prescription for  Zyprexa 2.5mg AND DECIDED  NOT TO GET IT FROM CHEMIST.[my doctor gave them a great sales pitch ,talking about other patients that have benefited ,in witch it just annoyed me ]


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 09:56 AM

Ok back track from 12.18pm today.note to self dont post when extremely confused. Thanks withdrawal :angry:  

2 beads out  from about 60 in the capsule is small taper ye.

 

Anyhow as I said I have to get a scales and do it properly. Thanks for everyone's help.


21​/06/2012 citrol10mg for stress, constant urination ,diazepam 2mg 26/07/2012 .12/07/2012 citroll 20mg,

​24/09/2013 Lexapro 20mg.didnt take them for a week during this year felt extremely strange ,had no idea down to drugs at the time .

​20/10/2014 venlafaxine xl 75mg.09/01/2015 venlafaxine xl 37.5. questioned doctor about drop in dose ,I was told no problem.

​13/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 150mg NEVER TOOK THEM getting wise?.20/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 75mg.19/08/2015 Xanax 250mcg [agitated]

​10/06/2015 venlafaxine 37.5mg.02/03/2016 five beads out for taper only lasted till 06/06/2016 extreme irritability and anxiety. 

​11/11/2016 Xanax 250mcg took them for few days ,fairly distressing time [working nearly impossible].11/11/2016 I was given a prescription for  Zyprexa 2.5mg AND DECIDED  NOT TO GET IT FROM CHEMIST.[my doctor gave them a great sales pitch ,talking about other patients that have benefited ,in witch it just annoyed me ]


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Posted 31 January 2017 - 04:26 AM

Hi all I've been wondering for weeks now if going cold turkey off 37.5 venlafaxine is something to consider,don't think reinstate any use for me .

The past few months have been unbelievable at times ,paranoid ,horrendous anxiety ,irritable,strong depression,panic attacks,2 weeks ago I left a job because of panic and performance anxiety it was horrible feeling having to tell supervisor ,who was great totally understud why.

From reading posts here I realise I'm in the strong symptoms category , apologies if I offend anyone I realise we all going through tough time.

I am loosing my patients,nearly 18 months of this something will give .
I need to say that I'm lucky I have great support and have great coping mechanisms ,when i need peace I go to the hills were I live and walk and it's great, amazing for me.

I have started to look at my diet even further and I believe it's the key to alot of the answers.
Dr John Bergman on u tube ,I'm inspired how he criticise doctors please check out .Take him with a pinch of salt to begin with .
Thanks all just thought I would put it out there.


21​/06/2012 citrol10mg for stress, constant urination ,diazepam 2mg 26/07/2012 .12/07/2012 citroll 20mg,

​24/09/2013 Lexapro 20mg.didnt take them for a week during this year felt extremely strange ,had no idea down to drugs at the time .

​20/10/2014 venlafaxine xl 75mg.09/01/2015 venlafaxine xl 37.5. questioned doctor about drop in dose ,I was told no problem.

​13/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 150mg NEVER TOOK THEM getting wise?.20/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 75mg.19/08/2015 Xanax 250mcg [agitated]

​10/06/2015 venlafaxine 37.5mg.02/03/2016 five beads out for taper only lasted till 06/06/2016 extreme irritability and anxiety. 

​11/11/2016 Xanax 250mcg took them for few days ,fairly distressing time [working nearly impossible].11/11/2016 I was given a prescription for  Zyprexa 2.5mg AND DECIDED  NOT TO GET IT FROM CHEMIST.[my doctor gave them a great sales pitch ,talking about other patients that have benefited ,in witch it just annoyed me ]


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Posted 31 January 2017 - 09:58 AM

powerback -- I've moved your post from a new intro topic you started to your introduction topic (this one) so that all your information, questions and answers are in one place.

 

Cold-turkey off Effexor (venlafaxine) from 37.5 mg is absolutely not advised by anyone informed about how Effexor works.

 

Do not just stop taking Effexor. Your symptoms will almost certainly be made much worse, hard as that is to imagine right now.

 

Question: What dose of Effexor are you taking now?

 

Making changes to improve your nourishment is almost always a good idea. For me, it's been important to make sure that I get sufficient dense protein, i.e. eggs, meat, poultry and fish. Omega 3 fatty acids and magnesium have been helpful for me as well.


This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. 1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad resultsCymbalta (brand name), 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016 20 mg - 7 mg, detailed taper doses in this post; <p>2017: 7.0 (65 beads) 2016-Dec-10;Current dose: 6.3 mg (58 beads) 2017-Feb-01+ Supplements: fish oil (1500 mg EPA/500 mg DHA), Vitamins: D3, K2, C; Minerals: Mg, Se, Cr, I, Vscallywag's Introduction PostOnline spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:55 AM

Hi scallywag ,thanks for your prompt reply .

I am on 37.5 and I appreciate your advice ,I wont b going cold turkey its just so frustrating but I'm doing fine and  have amazing support .

I even had 2 windows in the last week :) .

 

ye my diet is great the last few months and hope to get it even better .I plan to get a proper juicer and flood the body with nutrients.

 

I'm coming up on 2 years off alcohol and for me best thing ever. Very proud.


21​/06/2012 citrol10mg for stress, constant urination ,diazepam 2mg 26/07/2012 .12/07/2012 citroll 20mg,

​24/09/2013 Lexapro 20mg.didnt take them for a week during this year felt extremely strange ,had no idea down to drugs at the time .

​20/10/2014 venlafaxine xl 75mg.09/01/2015 venlafaxine xl 37.5. questioned doctor about drop in dose ,I was told no problem.

​13/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 150mg NEVER TOOK THEM getting wise?.20/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 75mg.19/08/2015 Xanax 250mcg [agitated]

​10/06/2015 venlafaxine 37.5mg.02/03/2016 five beads out for taper only lasted till 06/06/2016 extreme irritability and anxiety. 

​11/11/2016 Xanax 250mcg took them for few days ,fairly distressing time [working nearly impossible].11/11/2016 I was given a prescription for  Zyprexa 2.5mg AND DECIDED  NOT TO GET IT FROM CHEMIST.[my doctor gave them a great sales pitch ,talking about other patients that have benefited ,in witch it just annoyed me ]


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:17 PM

Hi all has anyone got advice or experience about a total change of drug to alleviate symptoms ,currently on 37.5 venlafaxine .

 

Its going on  1.5 years at least ,I'm not freaking out but its going on so long ile admit its getting to annoy me deeply .

The frustration of the cognitive functioning is great.

 

 Enjoying listen to music as I type this so not all is lost :D 

THANKS


21​/06/2012 citrol10mg for stress, constant urination ,diazepam 2mg 26/07/2012 .12/07/2012 citroll 20mg,

​24/09/2013 Lexapro 20mg.didnt take them for a week during this year felt extremely strange ,had no idea down to drugs at the time .

​20/10/2014 venlafaxine xl 75mg.09/01/2015 venlafaxine xl 37.5. questioned doctor about drop in dose ,I was told no problem.

​13/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 150mg NEVER TOOK THEM getting wise?.20/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 75mg.19/08/2015 Xanax 250mcg [agitated]

​10/06/2015 venlafaxine 37.5mg.02/03/2016 five beads out for taper only lasted till 06/06/2016 extreme irritability and anxiety. 

​11/11/2016 Xanax 250mcg took them for few days ,fairly distressing time [working nearly impossible].11/11/2016 I was given a prescription for  Zyprexa 2.5mg AND DECIDED  NOT TO GET IT FROM CHEMIST.[my doctor gave them a great sales pitch ,talking about other patients that have benefited ,in witch it just annoyed me ]


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:33 PM

Hi,

 

I moved your post to your Intro/Update topic because it is about your own situation and keeps your history in one place.

 

It is generally better to stick with the drug you are on.  If you swap your drug you may end up with withdrawal symptoms from the original drug and start up/side effects from the new drug.  You won't be able to work out what is causing any issues.

 

I am tapering Pristiq (a similar drug to Effexor) and have found that as my dose lowered my memory and thinking processes improved.  However I do have times when these are worse than at other times.

 

I notice from your signature that you took Xanax for several days in November last year.  This may be contributing to the issue/s.


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Pristiq:  50mg mid 2012, 100mg beg 2014 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)     Current:  Pristiq 30mg (from 3 Feb 17)

 

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 02:17 AM

Hi cheesiecat i agree with u on evertyhing u say,its just geting so tireing ,the last few months the fatigue in my brain is masssive ,i can actually feel my eyelids wanting to close,the funny thing is ive got the ability and want to go out exerciseing every day, so using my mindfulness to not allow me to catastrophize is a major help and a must.

The feelling of my brain being wrapped  in cotton wool with headaches is uncomfortable and never ending the last month .

As I write this the sun is coming out and ile b off for walk soon, I'm also eating well and have great support but dam its tough .

THANKS a lot for your help.


21​/06/2012 citrol10mg for stress, constant urination ,diazepam 2mg 26/07/2012 .12/07/2012 citroll 20mg,

​24/09/2013 Lexapro 20mg.didnt take them for a week during this year felt extremely strange ,had no idea down to drugs at the time .

​20/10/2014 venlafaxine xl 75mg.09/01/2015 venlafaxine xl 37.5. questioned doctor about drop in dose ,I was told no problem.

​13/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 150mg NEVER TOOK THEM getting wise?.20/04/2015 venlafaxine xl 75mg.19/08/2015 Xanax 250mcg [agitated]

​10/06/2015 venlafaxine 37.5mg.02/03/2016 five beads out for taper only lasted till 06/06/2016 extreme irritability and anxiety. 

​11/11/2016 Xanax 250mcg took them for few days ,fairly distressing time [working nearly impossible].11/11/2016 I was given a prescription for  Zyprexa 2.5mg AND DECIDED  NOT TO GET IT FROM CHEMIST.[my doctor gave them a great sales pitch ,talking about other patients that have benefited ,in witch it just annoyed me ]


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 02:56 AM

PB. I agree with CC. Changing drugs doesn't necessarily alleviate symptoms - it usually just changes them from one form of side effects/ symptoms to another all the while continuing to destabilize the CNS.

 

Is it possible to update your signature as it is unclear.  eg. .11/11/2016 Zyprexa 2.5mg NEVER TOOK THEM.


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