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#1 nz11

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 11:57 AM

http://www.reuters.c...g-idUSKBN14V24J

 

Well i thought it was literal which we all know it is but it seems its simply about charging too much for drugs and they want them cheaper cant help but feel they have missed the target here.

If these drugs become cheaper i wonder what that means ...more people taking them, thats a bad thing !

But if it means they charge the government less does that mean the patients have to pay more. That means more people forced to taper off to save money....hey thats a good thing.

 

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump on Wednesday said pharmaceutical companies are "getting away with murder" in what they charge the government for medicines, and promised that would change, sending drugs stocks sharply lower.


2000 amitryptaline, nortriptaline venlafaxine clonazepam for  arm pain from keyboard use, told I had a chemical imbalance it would fix my arm was just a matter of finding the right med for me not informed of the nature of these drugs assured safe and not addictive, CT off Effexor after being told to double the dose on reporting adverse effects...later ..uncharacteristic psych panic tearful presented to doctor to get answers. Given paroxetine no questions asked 'safe and not addictive' next please.2001-2010 paroxetine (paxil) 2 failed attempts to quit, a learned helplessness set in. Feb 10 - Sept 10,  8 month clueless taper, hell. Doc said I had underlying depression .. I said that's not right' then found online support group and the truth!...overcome with inconceivable humiliation and outrage. 28 Sept 10 drug free ...  daily psych and emotional torture beginning in the waking hours of the morning receding somewhat in the evening only to start up again the next day. 28 Sept 12 (24 months) Stabilizing  (What an indescribable unimaginable non-functional nightmare). sleep issues start up at 3 yrs  waking daily at 2am -4.30am)28 Sept 15 (5yrs drug free), cf, cmw, insomnia  horrifying pssd continues, still feel Rip van Winkle-ish, cognitively doing heaps better. 28 Sept 16 after 6 yrs start working again on a casual basis.

 

The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease.' - Thomas A. Edison

 

“Paroxetine is not safe, it is not effective and it meets every known definition of addictive.” McLaren, N, (2016) 'Psychiatry as bullsh*t’ p55..."Psychiatry is stuffed full of 'deep nonsense' better known as bullsh*t." McLaren 2016

 

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

See  my intro post #451 for the xanax back story and for a CV -GSKs.  Come on guys get taperwise see a TaperMe Schedule

 For a staggeringly shocking 'prozac back story' see the truth post #523

 

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 04:49 AM

NZ11, I mean no offense but even Hitler/Mussolini had a few redeeming qualities.   And in case anyone thinks I am being extremely unfair, google the concerns the Holocaust Museum and Germany have expressed on similar notes.

 

If he was a "normal" politician, that would be a good thing but he isn't.

 

I know this wasn't the response you were expecting but I have to state the truth as I see it.


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#3 nz11

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Posted 15 January 2017 - 12:36 AM

No offense taken.

You are totally entitled to your opinion.

He won he election fair and square so he's the president .....thats how democracy works right.

As Hillary said lets give the guy a chance.

 

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2000 amitryptaline, nortriptaline venlafaxine clonazepam for  arm pain from keyboard use, told I had a chemical imbalance it would fix my arm was just a matter of finding the right med for me not informed of the nature of these drugs assured safe and not addictive, CT off Effexor after being told to double the dose on reporting adverse effects...later ..uncharacteristic psych panic tearful presented to doctor to get answers. Given paroxetine no questions asked 'safe and not addictive' next please.2001-2010 paroxetine (paxil) 2 failed attempts to quit, a learned helplessness set in. Feb 10 - Sept 10,  8 month clueless taper, hell. Doc said I had underlying depression .. I said that's not right' then found online support group and the truth!...overcome with inconceivable humiliation and outrage. 28 Sept 10 drug free ...  daily psych and emotional torture beginning in the waking hours of the morning receding somewhat in the evening only to start up again the next day. 28 Sept 12 (24 months) Stabilizing  (What an indescribable unimaginable non-functional nightmare). sleep issues start up at 3 yrs  waking daily at 2am -4.30am)28 Sept 15 (5yrs drug free), cf, cmw, insomnia  horrifying pssd continues, still feel Rip van Winkle-ish, cognitively doing heaps better. 28 Sept 16 after 6 yrs start working again on a casual basis.

 

The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease.' - Thomas A. Edison

 

“Paroxetine is not safe, it is not effective and it meets every known definition of addictive.” McLaren, N, (2016) 'Psychiatry as bullsh*t’ p55..."Psychiatry is stuffed full of 'deep nonsense' better known as bullsh*t." McLaren 2016

 

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

See  my intro post #451 for the xanax back story and for a CV -GSKs.  Come on guys get taperwise see a TaperMe Schedule

 For a staggeringly shocking 'prozac back story' see the truth post #523

 

"If I were an enemy combatant and the NZ army did this to me someone would be dragged to the Hague and jailed!"  nz11


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Posted 15 January 2017 - 02:17 AM

Came across this saying recently very good explanation I thought .

 

DEMOCRACY is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 04:38 AM

Trump made already some good things. I read he wants to let check out if the vaccination does not cause autism. That is great. I think he is courageous. I thought already if we should not write him to let check the antidepressants - that they are harmful. Because he comes from normal people, he would have more understanding for it. I dont think that he is bad. I like him.
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Posted 15 January 2017 - 05:48 PM

Anything that might make these and all drugs less profitable can't be a bad thing.

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 04:47 AM

No offense taken.

You are totally entitled to your opinion.

He won he election fair and square so he's the president .....thats how democracy works right.

As Hillary said lets give the guy a chance.

 

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Actually, there is alot of evidence that Russia and FBI Director Comey influenced the election.   And even if you disagree, there is alot of evidence that he has put himself in a highly compromised position with Russia.   So no, I don't think he won the election fair and square.

 

Hmm, if a politician won in New Zealand who reminded you of Hitler won, would you want to give him a chance?   Because when you start normalizing behavior, that is how dictators consolidate power and do away with Freedom.


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Posted 16 January 2017 - 04:54 AM

Trump made already some good things. I read he wants to let check out if the vaccination does not cause autism. That is great. I think he is courageous. I thought already if we should not write him to let check the antidepressants - that they are harmful. Because he comes from normal people, he would have more understanding for it. I dont think that he is bad. I like him.rMaf

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Not to be blunt but many people liked Hitler when he came to power.  No, he doesn't come from a normal population he is a billionaire a million times over.   And see this article about the wealth of his cabinet picks.

 

http://thehill.com/b...ird-of-american


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Posted 16 January 2017 - 04:57 AM

Anything that might make these and all drugs less profitable can't be a bad thing.

Not going to do much good if people are going to lose their health insurance coverage.   And with Democratic and Republicans politicians beholden to big pharma, I seriously doubt they are going to cut drug prices.    And because they are already obscenely priced, even if a cut occurred, I doubt they would be affordable, particularly if people lose their health insurance coverage due to the threat of the ACA being repealed.


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Posted 16 January 2017 - 04:28 PM

Not going to do much good if people are going to lose their health insurance coverage. 

That could be a blessing in disguise ...people might be forced to taper off the chemicals that they dont need. Isnt that a good thing.

 

Actually, there is alot of evidence that Russia and FBI Director Comey influenced the election.  

How?

Are you saying Russia hacked the polling booths and changed votes from Hillary to Trump? If thats the case sounds like Trump needs to build several walls!

If i was a american i would have voted for Hillary. But it sounds like the democrats have been their own worst enemy here.

So what if their emails were hacked ...why didnt they have protection in place and they should be more professional and not say anything in email land that you wouldnt say in public. And so what if the dirt got dumped on Hillary heaps of it got dumped on Trump and i was very surprised he survived it. Are you telling me those woman who came forward were saying vote republican?

 

Hmm, if a politician won in New Zealand who reminded you of Hitler won, would you want to give him a chance?   Because when you start normalizing behavior, that is how dictators consolidate power and do away with Freedom.

Yes i would cos thats called democracy.

If you live in a democratic country and end up with a dictator then all i can say is you just got the president you deserved. Clearly most people love dictators in america so thats who you got (your words) then. 

 

Im beginning to warm to Trump.

I bet i knew what he wanted to say the other day but didnt ...He wanted to say, 'so what and America has never tried to influence other countries election processes?' ..'or hack others' ? Come on man !


2000 amitryptaline, nortriptaline venlafaxine clonazepam for  arm pain from keyboard use, told I had a chemical imbalance it would fix my arm was just a matter of finding the right med for me not informed of the nature of these drugs assured safe and not addictive, CT off Effexor after being told to double the dose on reporting adverse effects...later ..uncharacteristic psych panic tearful presented to doctor to get answers. Given paroxetine no questions asked 'safe and not addictive' next please.2001-2010 paroxetine (paxil) 2 failed attempts to quit, a learned helplessness set in. Feb 10 - Sept 10,  8 month clueless taper, hell. Doc said I had underlying depression .. I said that's not right' then found online support group and the truth!...overcome with inconceivable humiliation and outrage. 28 Sept 10 drug free ...  daily psych and emotional torture beginning in the waking hours of the morning receding somewhat in the evening only to start up again the next day. 28 Sept 12 (24 months) Stabilizing  (What an indescribable unimaginable non-functional nightmare). sleep issues start up at 3 yrs  waking daily at 2am -4.30am)28 Sept 15 (5yrs drug free), cf, cmw, insomnia  horrifying pssd continues, still feel Rip van Winkle-ish, cognitively doing heaps better. 28 Sept 16 after 6 yrs start working again on a casual basis.

 

The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease.' - Thomas A. Edison

 

“Paroxetine is not safe, it is not effective and it meets every known definition of addictive.” McLaren, N, (2016) 'Psychiatry as bullsh*t’ p55..."Psychiatry is stuffed full of 'deep nonsense' better known as bullsh*t." McLaren 2016

 

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

See  my intro post #451 for the xanax back story and for a CV -GSKs.  Come on guys get taperwise see a TaperMe Schedule

 For a staggeringly shocking 'prozac back story' see the truth post #523

 

"If I were an enemy combatant and the NZ army did this to me someone would be dragged to the Hague and jailed!"  nz11


#11 compsports

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 07:02 PM

http://www.politico....-hacking-232625

 

The guy quoted is a conservative former cia officer.   Definitely not a Hillary fan.

 

You are right, we have interfered in elections before.  It wasn't right then and it isn't right now.

 

And the Democrats did do a horsebleep job of putting protections into place when they knew this could be an issue.   But it doesn't justify what happened.

 

No NZ11, if people don't have health insurance coverage and are on costly drugs, they will be forced to cold turkey or taper too quickly.   Are you really in favor of that?   


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Posted 16 January 2017 - 07:05 PM

Not going to do much good if people are going to lose their health insurance coverage. 

That could be a blessing in disguise ...people might be forced to taper off the chemicals that they dont need. Isnt that a good thing.

 

 

It may also mean people lose access to life-saving medicines, like insulin.

 

Im beginning to warm to Trump.

I bet i knew what he wanted to say the other day but didnt ...He wanted to say, 'so what and America has never tried to influence other countries election processes?' ..'or hack others' ?

 

 

If he actually demonstrated that level of thoughtfulness, I would be less worried.  But he has yet to and I am bracing for the worst.  Trump has mocked everyone under the sun.  From whole groups of people to a disabled New York Times journalist (whom he viciously ridiculed by mimicking the spasms the reporter experienced), he shows very little respect for those who do not exist in his circle, which consist of the vast majority of humanity.

 

Unlike other far-right election waves sweeping across the globe, our far-right president elect did not win the popular vote.  He won due to possible cheating and the antiquated Electoral College, which should be abolished. With all the problems that he causes, I am sure people will quickly tire of him.  Fortunately for Trump, the Democrats specialize in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory; they cannot be counted on to lead a spirited opposition to this man.  Unless things radically change, such as people actually voting during the midterm elections, and the emergence of viable third parties, the Donald and his water bearers will be allowed to create chaos for years to come. 

 

Still one of my favorites, NZ! :D


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#13 nz11

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Posted 17 January 2017 - 12:52 AM

You're too kind pluckypony,  arent we having a great discussion. lol

Actually i agree its time america changed its voting system to something more fair and something simple country foreigner folk like me can understand!

I am sure people will quickly tire of him. 

Well i hope not cos id really hate to see  Baldwin out of a job! However at the moment id say fat chance of that !

No doubt about it Alec's job is secure for quite some time...or until the tax returns are released.

 

if people don't have health insurance coverage and are on costly drugs, they will be forced to cold turkey or taper too quickly.   Are you really in favor of that? 

 

Fast tapering or CT no im not in favour of that but what about an insurance phase out period using a given formula say base it on 10% of your previous dose per month that sounds fair and reasonable.

 

No not a good idea for insulin.

 

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2000 amitryptaline, nortriptaline venlafaxine clonazepam for  arm pain from keyboard use, told I had a chemical imbalance it would fix my arm was just a matter of finding the right med for me not informed of the nature of these drugs assured safe and not addictive, CT off Effexor after being told to double the dose on reporting adverse effects...later ..uncharacteristic psych panic tearful presented to doctor to get answers. Given paroxetine no questions asked 'safe and not addictive' next please.2001-2010 paroxetine (paxil) 2 failed attempts to quit, a learned helplessness set in. Feb 10 - Sept 10,  8 month clueless taper, hell. Doc said I had underlying depression .. I said that's not right' then found online support group and the truth!...overcome with inconceivable humiliation and outrage. 28 Sept 10 drug free ...  daily psych and emotional torture beginning in the waking hours of the morning receding somewhat in the evening only to start up again the next day. 28 Sept 12 (24 months) Stabilizing  (What an indescribable unimaginable non-functional nightmare). sleep issues start up at 3 yrs  waking daily at 2am -4.30am)28 Sept 15 (5yrs drug free), cf, cmw, insomnia  horrifying pssd continues, still feel Rip van Winkle-ish, cognitively doing heaps better. 28 Sept 16 after 6 yrs start working again on a casual basis.

 

The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease.' - Thomas A. Edison

 

“Paroxetine is not safe, it is not effective and it meets every known definition of addictive.” McLaren, N, (2016) 'Psychiatry as bullsh*t’ p55..."Psychiatry is stuffed full of 'deep nonsense' better known as bullsh*t." McLaren 2016

 

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

See  my intro post #451 for the xanax back story and for a CV -GSKs.  Come on guys get taperwise see a TaperMe Schedule

 For a staggeringly shocking 'prozac back story' see the truth post #523

 

"If I were an enemy combatant and the NZ army did this to me someone would be dragged to the Hague and jailed!"  nz11


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Posted 17 January 2017 - 03:49 AM

PluckyPony,

 

I am actually pleasantly surprised at the Democrats being spirited in their opposition based on their previous history of caving.   I wish all the Democrats in Congress would join the 40 representatives, including my congressman, in boycotting the inauguration but I guess what is more important is that they stand strong opposing horrific cabinet picks and legislation.

 

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Posted 17 January 2017 - 03:12 PM

NZ11, I mean no offense but even Hitler/Mussolini had a few redeeming qualities.   And in case anyone thinks I am being extremely unfair, google the concerns the Holocaust Museum and Germany have expressed on similar notes.

 

If he was a "normal" politician, that would be a good thing but he isn't.

 

I know this wasn't the response you were expecting but I have to state the truth as I see it.

You are okay with slick 'normal' politicians dropping bombs on children every 10 minutes but you are scared of someone who is not a 'normal' politician and compare him to Hitler? That's totally irrational, you should listen to some alternative news sources.

 

Martin Luther Kings Niece endorses and votes Donald Trump, FYI she is a black woman. If Donald Trump is Hitler do you think a black woman (Martin Luther Kings Niece) would vote for him and get on with him? The media is scaring you my friend, the media is owned by the people that own us, we are their slaves and we are refusing to be sheparded into the pen. They are outkasting us with fear mongering, discreditation and driven hate.


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 06:19 PM

Well said fema. Thank God Trump won. Hillary is totally In bed with pharma and anything else she can (but not poor Bill) to have power and money. Our Democratic Party is a bunch of sick and twisted no moral people these days and as a result you have this division never seen before and arguments about what bathrooms to use by people who choose to be not normal. As someone who has been severely harmed by Levaquin and then put on Paxil due to the horrible reaction I had to Levaquin,these people are disgusting. That is almost as bad as the systematic destruction of our country by these crazies on the left so we would all need to depend on the Govt. for everything and you know how efficient and honest our government is...America dodged the fatal bullet on Nov.8 and is suffering from 8 or more years of slow cuts and bleeding from sickos on the left. Like Pelosi saying "you have to pass it to find out what is in it" about the awful healthcare that caused me to lose insurance for the first time ever in my life last year due to all of the companies going under in NY last year. Now I pay $1,850 per month (65% picked up by job thank God) compared to $650 six years ago. Pelosi saying what she said is akin to some stranger handing you a glass of liquid to drink and telling you ,"I'll tell you what you are drinking after you drink it". What normal sane person would drink it?? Well, America drank it and most working people are paying a lot more for less..
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