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#37 JanCarol

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 08:49 PM

Regarding thoughts;
 

 I've spent so much money on therapy for this kind of thing , and I'm baffled on how HARD it is to apply the necessary strategies in early wd. I'm guessing it gets easier in later stages of wd . 

 

Yah, what helps most is to build up a practice.  The practice gives you a savings account at your wellness bank, to draw upon in times of stress.

 

It IS hard to do Mindfulness while thrashing about with symptoms.  But the moment you start feeling better, start again to build up a practice so that the next time you fall down, you can withdraw from your wellness savings account.

 

Examples of things that I have heard people being sensitive to when in withdrawal:  Light, sound, rhythm, music, TV (fast screen switches), news, Facebook, gluten, dairy, cheese, smells, exercise, caffeine, alcohol.  In fact, ALL recreational mind altering should stop:  no alcohol, no recreational drugs, until you are stable. 

 

Like with a dietary allergy, you may be able to bring these things back into your life later.  So it's not like you're never going to eat pizza again - just maybe not while you are in withdrawal!  You say you are eating, but I'm asking you to look at what you are eating.

 

Some of us can have immediate reaction:  that cottage cheese made me feel funny, or for some reason I really like hot tea right now.  90% of our body's serotonin is in the gut - so paying attention to your gut is a key piece to healing.

 

if I reinstate and it fails does that mean I'm going to be so bad I cant leave the house ?  I know nobody can answer that ..I actually get tremendous hope when people say if they were me they would tough it out , and when people tell me they would reinstate I feel panic ..

 

This may be your intuition guiding you.   I will play "devil's advocate" to see how it feels.  If I can soothe your fears, then maybe it's just panic and fear, and not your intuition.

 

A trial reinstatment of 1 mg Celexa might knock you about for a week or two if it fails, and you just quit it, and will likely settle down.  And you will know that you tried, and whether or not it's a successful strategy.  There are quite a few who have been relieved from reinstatement, like Addax, Jemima, Bayboy, and Weebles - and it's not like going back to square one.  Tapering off of 1 mg, is much better than tapering off of 10, or even 5 mg.

 

Please note that I am not recommending a reinstatement of Lexapro, like DrugFreeProf suggests.  I would not recommend that at this point.

 

Here's a way to look at it.  July 2016 you started your fast taper.  If you had been tapering 10% like we recommend here at SA, you would be at a dose of Lexapro of between 6.9mg and 7.4 mg, or higher.  This is equivalent to between 13.8 mg and 14.8 mg of Celexa.  So you see how tiny a dose I am suggesting?

 

Does that reduce the fear?

 

It is awesome that you are seeing bright spots, areas of functioning.  It's amazing how well we can get by on limited functioning.

 

It's your choice.  Let me lay it out:

 

1.  Continue as you are, ride it like a bad roller-coaster that you got on, but there's no way to get off until the ride is finished.

2.  Start working with Magnesium and Omega-3 fish oil to see if it makes your bright spots brighter (but that may take enough time to close your window of opportunity for reinstatement)

or

3.  Reinstate 1 mg Celexa (not Lexapro) to see if it makes the bumpy ride a little smoother.

 

You can do #2 - no matter what you do - the reason I put it in options like this, is that the window of opportunity for reinstatement may be closing (we never know for sure when that is), and working with mag and fish oil - normally my first recommendation - may delay your reinstatment too long.

 

So - how do you respond / react to my "devil's advocate"?  (I'm not telling you to reinstate, I'm asking how you feel about reinstating, with a little more information to guide you)

 

ALWAYS, as Shep says, work on your Non Drug Techniques for Coping with Emotional Symptoms - find what helps you to feel better, and you will use these skills the rest of your life.

 

I hope you see the sun today!


"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.

 

Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!


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Posted 18 March 2017 - 10:20 PM

Thank you Jan,
I really appreciate the time and information you have given me. This is ( as everybody here knows ) the most challenging experiences I've EVER had to face in my entire life. I can totally understand when people say once you're done with SSRI WD you can handle anything life throws at you. I just got done searching for time machines on eBay. No luck. I am currently lying in bed with my sleeping daughter, listening to her breathe , and ruminating about the day I walked into the doctors office to get the help I needed 2 years ago. You know ? I can remember the first night I took lex. I remember a thousand thought racing through my mind every second. Like a high speed slide show. The next morning I had the most smashing panic attack of my life. It's was at that moment I should've listened to my body and made the decision on what to do. My daughter is at the age where she is like a cuddly Teddy bear right now. You know the age where you just want to snuggle , hug , and play with and enjoy .. I feel that this poison is going to strip these precious upcoming moments from me and my daughter , and I will never get them back. By the time I feel better she will be grown up more and not be as she is now. Maybe she will be better , more cuddly , more fun who knows. At night I'm more optimistic about this whole terrible situation. Come morning I'm more pessimistic. There is no middle ground right now. I can't rationalize like I could 6 months ago . if there is one good thing coming out of this it's my precious daughter will know the dangers of antidepressants. Her mother warned me not to take them too. Funny thing (not really). I got on the lexapro first , then I got therapy. Ain't life a MF.
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Posted 19 March 2017 - 06:07 AM

Hey Alice 1,

 

Just read through your thread, and while I can't really offer any advice, I  can just tell you that I'm going through a very similar situation.

Your story is a heartbreaker man, especially with the child involved. This whole experience is hell itself, I think.

 

I was mis diagnosed and put on a potent mix of drugs for a short period. I realised the drugs were destroying me and quit them, but I fear I'm in for a long journey.

Anhedonia is my main issue, I just feel dead inside most of the time. But since I came off the drugs, there are glimmers of light. And I'm convinced the sun will shine again. But this struggle....I can't put it in to words....


late July...lexapro 10 seroquel 25.....due to mild depression......

adverse reaction, suicidal thoughts, hospitalization

 

August....felt that meds were ripping stomach apart....docs didn't believe me..upped meds to seroquel 125, lexapro 20, mirtazapine 30, olanzapine 20

 

stayed on these drugs unitl mid november......severe anhedonia all the time...

 

mid novemeber, began taper.....very small windows of emotion

 

Christmas....off everything by Christmas day......last six weeks, cried and laughed on a number of occasions for first time since taking initial meds....

 

8 occasions of strong emotion over 6 weeks........doubting recovery......


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:55 PM

Alice, you might wear dark or amber glasses for a while, outside and at the computer. Could be that a lessening of light stimulation will be of help.

 

JanCarol gave lots of good tips. As she suggested, 1mg Celexa might do for reinstatement, as a last resort. If you want to try it, do it on a long weekend.

 

Practicing slow meditative breathing might also help, particularly at work, where you might feel under stress. Don't be hard on yourself, most likely the people you work with don't notice your symptoms.


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:42 AM

Alice,

My story is a bit backwards of yours, but remember, every med works on everyone differently.

 

First, I want to straighten out an small blip I saw on your thread.  The half life of medications was spoken about.  First, the half life of a drug is when your body has metabolized HALF of the dose, so once you are beyond that point, if you are on a drug like regular Effexor, half life could be a worry (Effexor XR is the name of long release).   Regular Effexor has a half life of only 8 hours, which means if you tried to dose a drug like that once a day, you would be in withdrawal possibly 16 hours of every 24, so a med like that, you would want to dose 3 times a day, but SSRI's with that short of a half life are rare.  Lexapro has a half life of OVER 24 hours (27-32 hours to be exact), so it does not affect your situation at all.  Celexa ALSO has a half life of over 24 hours (35 hours to be exact!), and it takes 7 days to reach a steady state in the blood.  At any rate you are so long off of Lexapro, the half life of that drug had absolutely no bearing on you what-so-ever once that last dose was 24 hours+ out of your system.  I just did not want you to worry about half life times of medications because it does not even apply to you in ANY way right now.  It only applies when taking the med, and Lexapro or Celexa are fine being dosed once a day. They do NOT have short half lives!

 

Now I have been on Celexa, and it was so weak, it did nothing for me.  it was like taking a placebo.  I am not telling you this to force your hand one way or the other about reinstatement, I am only providing information about what happened to me, nothing more.  My doc removed me from 3 AD's (2 SSRI's and 1 SNRI, giving about 2.5 weeks each to get off of each of the 3 (and had agreed to put me on something else, then reneged. so I handled the panic, and depression, and the SI as long as I could, and finally (before I knew ANYTHING about AD's, long before I was a member here), 4 months later, I was put on Lexapro, a different med (the 3 I was on before were Pristiq, Bupropion, and Trazodone), so I switched to a totally different med 4 mos out, and had no issue with the new AD.  Now if you are nervous about starting even on that low of a dose of Celexa, please know that the COMMON dose of Celexa starts at 20mg/day (I went up to 40 and felt nothing).  You are starting so low (if you choose to), that I cannot imagine you having any major issues as the dose is so tiny.  That said, it is your decision.  I just do not want anyone to scare you into making one decision or another, I wanted you to have all of the information is all.  I have no stake in which you choose.

 

I wish you the very best!!!

Skeeter


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 09:48 PM

Hey Alice1 !

 I just got done searching for time machines on eBay. No luck.

 

:D at least you are keeping your sense of humour about you!  This will serve you well!

 

 Funny thing (not really). I got on the lexapro first , then I got therapy. Ain't life a MF. 

 

Well - I was treated with the view that it was pointless going into therapy until the drugs started working!  Ain't that a thing?  

 

Like the therapists didn't want to see me until I was no longer "at my worst."  They actually told me that therapy wouldn't work until I was "out of crisis."

 

Isn't it interesting, that they only wanted to talk to a numbed mind?

 

Alto suggested breathing - I have just looked it up for another member - see if you can find a technique that suits you here:  Pranayama - Yogic Breathing

 

I hear so many glimpses of positive things from you - sometimes achingly so (your cuddly daughter) - that I have great hope for your recovery.

 

It does get better, it just takes longer than you want it to (sorry about the time machine - but I hear the DeLoreans are available for private purchase?).

 

I hope you see the sun today.


"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.

 

Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!


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Posted 27 March 2017 - 02:14 PM

Hi there, just want to say your not alone!!!!We are all in this together.
I've started taking antidepressants in 2001. I took Cipramil for 3 years. Elflexor for 1 year. Lexapro 10mg - 20mg since 1992 approximately.

STARTING DOSE 20mg Lexapro 2016

19mg Lexapro (3rd January 2016)-Taper 5%
18mg Lexapro (8th February 2O16)-Taper 5%
17mg Lexapro (? March 2016) - Taper 5% -
16mg (16th May 2016) Taper 5 %
17mg (21st August 2016) + 5%
16mg (3rd January 2017) - 5%
15mg (4th February 2017) -5
STOPPING TAPERING FOR 6 MONTHS

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 06:44 PM

Hello everyone.
I've read the threads on Prilosec (PPI) and I'm still at a lose. I do take Prilosec 20mg for acid reflux. I have bad acid reflux. I understand about the risks involved upon taking PPI's , however I m still not sure if I should taper off ppi while in wd. I had a blood test but never asked for specific information about vitamin deficiencies. I'm not even sure if the blood test I took would give that data. I'm eating , sleeping , and exercising (gently) and avoiding alcohol and caffeine. I'm implementing the non drug techniques and every other coping tool the best I can. Now I'm wondering if it's important to taper this prilosec. I read all the info on the threads and still can't determine if I should taper ppi now or wait until a little more stable. I'm not asking for my diaper to be changed I just would like to hear the professional opinions ( per my case ) from the mods if possible. If it's too much trouble I understand and will continue and make no changes. Thank you.
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Posted 31 March 2017 - 08:40 PM

What are your symptoms, if any?

Please keep notes on paper of your symptoms and the times of your dose(s). This post has a useful format for a daily log:
Take notes of doses and symptoms.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.
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Posted 01 April 2017 - 07:41 AM

My wd symptoms are severe anxiety depression derealization dizziness Akathisia restlessness. Some aches and pains , some burning muscles ... Then I have my normal anxiety about the whole situation. Which just creates this life of fear for me. I feel like I'm a complete stranger to the world I once belonged to. As far as symptoms when I take ppi , I don't have any stomach issues ..I recently changed from the ppi capsule to the pill ...
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Posted 01 April 2017 - 10:10 AM

I will also add that I'm extremely anhedonic. No motivation to do ANYTHING. When I have to run a errand or do a chore I literally have to force myself.
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Posted 01 April 2017 - 01:22 PM

Thanks for summarizing your symptoms. An actual log of symptoms and when they arise is far more useful than a summary. You may see connections between the time of a dose and the time that a symptom worsens or improves. This post has a useful format for a daily log:
Take notes of doses and symptoms.

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2017: 6.3 (58 beads) Feb. 1; 5.6 mg (52) Feb. 22; 5.4 mg (50) Mar. 15; 5.1 mg (47) Mar. 25; 4.9 mg (45) Apr. 5; 4.5 mg (42) Apr. 14;
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Posted 01 April 2017 - 04:08 PM

Oh. Ok. I'm sorry. I didn't realize what you meant. It's kinda hard because everything that started 6 months ago is just more and more intense at 7 months out. I can defiantly see a increase in symptoms when I exercise too much or if I eat too much carbs , but I really can't see any correlation when taking the ppi. I'll still try the dose/symptom timeline chart though.

Thank you Scallywag
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Posted 01 April 2017 - 08:49 PM

As I work on coping through the eighth month of my withdrawal I have to say that I never know what tomorrow will bring .. One day will be fear and dizziness . The next will be DR and depression. It's really like a seven deck shoe at the black jack table. Applying the techniques is a lot of effort . Kinda like a full time job . Lol. Just typing the words "full time job" sends a wave of sadness through me , as if it's a reminder of one of the things I've lost.
 
Meditation seems to be best at night before bed as when I meditate in the afternoon I can literally feel the heat from hell rushing through my senses. I don't know why this happens but I do it anyway. As if I'm trying to expose myself and feel the pain so that I'll somehow "break it in " .. Like a pair of boots ..

 

We did have two good breaks in the last three weeks. Both from 7 pm to bedtime with good sleep. There has been moments where withdrawal is not noticed too. Only to once again notice it. I remember having an hour in the middle of the day around 2 pm where everything cleared off for about an hour. It was so so wonderful yet very sad as well. Kind of like wishing you could be with that loved one who has past for just one more hour , only to experience them passing again.
 
This whole thing is so hard to accept. So so hard . The feelings of fear and panic one minute , then hope and encouragement the next only to shift into the thoughts and images that torture me as I worry about it getting worse. Everybody around me living their life as I wait in misery with a fake smile and a contorted environment. Trying desperately to practice "being with" these feelings day by day only to feel like it's the beginning all over again.


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#51 JanCarol

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Posted 01 April 2017 - 11:29 PM

Hey Alice1 - 

 

I will also add that I'm extremely anhedonic. No motivation to do ANYTHING. When I have to run a errand or do a chore I literally have to force myself. 

Yep.  Perfectly normal.  Difficult, challenging, to have to take a whip to yourself to do it - but - you're doing it!
I find that when I'm really bad, I break down tasks into the tiniest components.  Okay.  Now I will comb my hair.  Okay, I did that.  Now I will feed that cat.  Okay, I did that.  Now I will put on my shoes (that's often the hardest part for me, go figure).  Okay, I did that.  Is there anything else I need to do before I go to the shops?  Oh!  I need that coupon for 2 for 1 milk...Okay.  I have that.  It's a lot of chatter, but with each step - instead of whipping myself to get it done, I'm patting on the back for each little task that gets completed.
It's the same thing, but just a shift in how you approach your tasks.  Carrot, or whip?  And so, therefore, if I get to a certain point in my targets (today I will get this or that done) - I look for rewards (I can sit down and play a game or do nothing or whatever reward I think appropriate).  At one point, I was putting colored stars on my calendar, like a kindergarten teacher.  It made my calendar pretty - and I could visibly see that I wasn't a total waste of space.

 

 

From our PM's on PPI's, you asked:

I've just read the thread on PPI's . I'm really confused. I have taken 20 mg of prilosec for a few years now. I do have really bad acid reflux. I can't figure out if I should taper off ppi during wd or not. I don't have any stomach issues other than a slight dull feeling but I read the b 12 deficiency thing and don't know if tapering prilosec will help or hurt. Can you give me your opinion ? 

 

My short answer was this:

QUICK SUMMARY:  PPI's rob you of more than B12, but having symptoms - not the best time to come off.  ALSO if you are B12 deficient (likely), you may be too sensitive to take B12.

 

It will be a taper - later - when you're ready.  It's great that you are aware of it now.  I found PPI's to be mood destroying (especially when cocktailed with statins and lithium, in my case).  I was taken off PPI's (no taper) by a consulting pharmacist, who said it was going to strip my bones of calcium.  Egads.

 

THERE ARE alternatives to stomach acid.  We usually get the stomach acid problem from eating inflammatory foods.  The biggest one for me is "vegetable oils," mostly rancid (canola, safflower, sunflower) - were originally industrial oils and are used in EVERYTHING.  Touted as "healthy."  Move to olive (cold oil) or coconut (cooking).

 

I haven't visited the PPI thread lately, but if I recall, there are alternatives like DGL discussed there (DeGlycinated Licorice).

 

Okay, I seem to remember alternatives to PPI's besides the DGL.  Some people take a little baking soda in water.  Some people drink a tsp of Apple Cider Vinegar in a cup of water.  Lemon water, is another remedy - again, start with it weak, and build up.  It may seem paradoxical to add acid (ACV and lemon juice) to an "acid stomach," but I assure you that your stomach is meant to be acid, and the discomfort caused by reflux can usually be adjusted by diet.

 

There are so many inflammatory foods that Americans take in.  The beloved french fry - fried in industrial inflammatory oils (canola, safflower, sunflower, corn, soy - all the vegetable oils are inflammatory).  The gmo in "herbicide resistant" corn and soy - which ends up in nearly all packaged and processed foods, as flavourings, preservatives, thickeners, etc.  

 

When I went to America last, after having been sick for so long - I've cleaned up my diet a lot.  I still eat meat, and small amounts of dairy and grain - but in the USA, GMO's are not labeled, and pesticides, herbicides, hormones, antibiotics are a given.  I walked into a grocery, and nearly hyperventilated trying to find something "safe" to eat.  It's not impossible - sticking to fresh fruit & veg, grass fed and/or organic meats (Amish meat is a cheaper option, if you can get it) - helps immensely. 

 

It's just that there's an awful lot of "food" in America today which is not food, it's a "product."  And it's hard - I'm married, and my husband doesn't "believe" in the things I do - so there are a lot of compromises I have to make in order to share a kitchen with him.  You have a whole family, and I can't imagine having daughters who want to eat pizza, potato chips, hamburgers, sodas - if I had those under my nose all the time I'd go spare!  Bad enough to smell hubby's "hot cross buns."

 

Anyhow - all of this for later.  You can start working on the food now, and there's a chance that by the time you are ready to taper off your PPI's (if I recall, you can do it in 25% drops instead of 10%, with shorter holds in between drops).

 

Here are some more threads you can explore your stomach - 

http://survivinganti...-bloating-gerd/

http://survivinganti...and-gut-health/

 

90% of the body's serotonin is in the gut - so here is a leading question:  did you have the acid reflux before you started the Lexapro?

 

I hope you see the sun today!


"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.

 

Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!


#52 Alice1

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 06:07 PM

Oh yes. I've had acid reflux for a long time. I've usually just eaten tums but when I was eating a roll a day I got on ppi. Only been on prilosec for about a year. I would get heartburn brushing my teeth lol. Or sometimes the smell of food would trigger heartburn. My diet was terrible however and I used to smoke cigarettes. Now I'm on the ecig with minimal nicotine (5% of a normal cig) and holding nicotine taper. Funny how I tapered nicotine but jumped off lex fast. I've fired my therapist btw.
December 2014 - Lexapro 20 mg
August 2016 Med free (6 week taper)

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Posted 16 April 2017 - 05:13 PM

As I work on coping through the eighth month of my withdrawal I have to say that I never know what tomorrow will bring .. One day will be fear and dizziness . The next will be DR and depression. It's really like a seven deck shoe at the black jack table. Applying the techniques is a lot of effort . Kinda like a full time job . Lol. Just typing the words "full time job" sends a wave of sadness through me , as if it's a reminder of one of the things I've lost.
 
Meditation seems to be best at night before bed as when I meditate in the afternoon I can literally feel the heat from hell rushing through my senses. I don't know why this happens but I do it anyway. As if I'm trying to expose myself and feel the pain so that I'll somehow "break it in " .. Like a pair of boots ..
 
We did have two good breaks in the last three weeks. Both from 7 pm to bedtime with good sleep. There has been moments where withdrawal is not noticed too. Only to once again notice it. I remember having an hour in the middle of the day around 2 pm where everything cleared off for about an hour. It was so so wonderful yet very sad as well. Kind of like wishing you could be with that loved one who has past for just one more hour , only to experience them passing again.
 
This whole thing is so hard to accept. So so hard . The feelings of fear and panic one minute , then hope and encouragement the next only to shift into the thoughts and images that torture me as I worry about it getting worse. Everybody around me living their life as I wait in misery with a fake smile and a contorted environment. Trying desperately to practice "being with" these feelings day by day only to feel like it's the beginning all over again.
Save your servant who trusts in you , my God. Let him find in you a fortified tower in the face of the enemy. The Lord is my light and my salvation.


Hi Alice1,

Accepting this is really hard. I think this is the hardest thing we will have to go through. I completely understand you and feel for you as I am in the same position. Fake it until you make it . This is what I am trying to do. Pretend at work in front of friends that everything is fine but in reality it is not . What also sucks is that it is so hard to explain to people . And with time I start sounding like a broken record . So now when I catch up with friends I try to sound cheary and upbeat bc they will not understand and I don't want any pity . And yes not knowing what is coming is so scary but do we have an option ? I mean yes I guess . But personally I don't want to be drugged and numbed for the rest of my life . I want to have kids one day and not be tired and a zombie and I want to feel . So the only option is to move forward . What helps me is to read success stories and actually getting feedback from you guys, and words of encouragement . I was having such a crappy day yesterday and felt so alone and 'not normal there is something wrong with me' and then I got some feedback from this site and it gave me strength and hope . I also think about the future and freak out but now I am learning to take it literary minute by minute . If I think about tomorrow it will drive me crazy. Acceptance patience and courage and time . We will be okay .
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  • Lexapro 20 mg 2007 - 2013 with various attempts to stop.  Most lasted 3 months, was forced to reinstate due to severe symptoms 
  • 2013 found a new Dr and started trying other medications: Prozac, Notryptoline, Effexor, Buspar, Gabapentin, Paxil (each med about 2-4 months).  
  • MOI Nardil  2014 - 2015
  • Lexapro 15 mg 2015 - 04/2016
  • Vibryiid 10 - 15mg 05/16-06/16 

Started to withdraw from Vibryiid around mid -June'16 with last dose in in July. Felt pretty good for the whole summer. Some anxiety, dizziness, short fuse, some weakness but okay overall. Comes October - dizziness, spinning, off balance feeling, FATIGUE, anxiety, fear, racing thoughts, insomnia, DP/DR

 

Reinstated 10/31/16 at 2.5 mg lexapro, then increased to 5 mg  Some relief, sleep better, severe DP/DR decreased.  Still very anxious, exhausted, dizzy. 

Switched 12/26/16 Luvox 50 mg (25 mg am and 25 mg pm).  Dizziness, exhaustion, anxiety, DP/DR

1/13/17 switched to one dose of Luvox 50 mg before bed.  EXHAUSTED, dizzy, weakness, off balance, anxiety, DP/DR

1/20/17 Luvox 37.5 mg PM.  Main symptoms: FATIGUE, dizziness, DP/DR, anxiety 

 

Supplements: iron, fish oil, vitamin D, methyl folate, Mitochondiral NRG (for fatigue)


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Posted 16 April 2017 - 05:15 PM

And yes feeling of panic and fear one minute and hope in the next . I just had this moment on Saturday . I was in the shower thinking omg how am I going to make it through the day so tired dizzy racing mind . But then I got out changed looked outside the window took few breaths and I felt a bit of hope .
  • Lexapro 20 mg 2007 - 2013 with various attempts to stop.  Most lasted 3 months, was forced to reinstate due to severe symptoms 
  • 2013 found a new Dr and started trying other medications: Prozac, Notryptoline, Effexor, Buspar, Gabapentin, Paxil (each med about 2-4 months).  
  • MOI Nardil  2014 - 2015
  • Lexapro 15 mg 2015 - 04/2016
  • Vibryiid 10 - 15mg 05/16-06/16 

Started to withdraw from Vibryiid around mid -June'16 with last dose in in July. Felt pretty good for the whole summer. Some anxiety, dizziness, short fuse, some weakness but okay overall. Comes October - dizziness, spinning, off balance feeling, FATIGUE, anxiety, fear, racing thoughts, insomnia, DP/DR

 

Reinstated 10/31/16 at 2.5 mg lexapro, then increased to 5 mg  Some relief, sleep better, severe DP/DR decreased.  Still very anxious, exhausted, dizzy. 

Switched 12/26/16 Luvox 50 mg (25 mg am and 25 mg pm).  Dizziness, exhaustion, anxiety, DP/DR

1/13/17 switched to one dose of Luvox 50 mg before bed.  EXHAUSTED, dizzy, weakness, off balance, anxiety, DP/DR

1/20/17 Luvox 37.5 mg PM.  Main symptoms: FATIGUE, dizziness, DP/DR, anxiety 

 

Supplements: iron, fish oil, vitamin D, methyl folate, Mitochondiral NRG (for fatigue)


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Posted 16 April 2017 - 06:23 PM

Holy smokes Blondiee! You're still working ? I can't wait wait for the day where I can work FULL TIME again. In fact , when I meditate I think about work I've done in the past. Then I get depressed lol. Right now accepting is easy at night than the morning. I'm more optimistic at night for some reason. Probably cortisol. I blame everything on cortisol. Lol. If I get a hangnail I blame cortisol. :) at almost 8 moths off my brilliant taper created by my therapist (who's been fired) and doctor (who's always on vacation) I'm experiencing some crazy feelings of healing. Man , I get so dizzy in the moning . Like this electric brain dizziness. I asked for it though. I'm walking for 20 minutes everyday (gently) and trying to do at least one activity a day. Rathing it being fishing or shopping or taking my daughter to the park. I'm trying to build from that although I'm not sure if my symptoms have peaked. I am getting "half ass " windows every now and then . Sometimes I'll get a few hours of quality window but usually one every two/three weeks. Nights are a litte better (cortisol:) but you are still working so you rock blondiee :).
December 2014 - Lexapro 20 mg
August 2016 Med free (6 week taper)

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 05:03 AM

Your taper was very quick for sure . And 20 mg is a large dose . From what I read on here the first year is the hardest. You are almost there . Also you were on lexapro for only 2 years you should def heal faster . Great you are doing 20 min a day activity. That is important . And half ass windows are better than none :)
Oye I don't know about rocking it . Work is a struggle for sure
  • Lexapro 20 mg 2007 - 2013 with various attempts to stop.  Most lasted 3 months, was forced to reinstate due to severe symptoms 
  • 2013 found a new Dr and started trying other medications: Prozac, Notryptoline, Effexor, Buspar, Gabapentin, Paxil (each med about 2-4 months).  
  • MOI Nardil  2014 - 2015
  • Lexapro 15 mg 2015 - 04/2016
  • Vibryiid 10 - 15mg 05/16-06/16 

Started to withdraw from Vibryiid around mid -June'16 with last dose in in July. Felt pretty good for the whole summer. Some anxiety, dizziness, short fuse, some weakness but okay overall. Comes October - dizziness, spinning, off balance feeling, FATIGUE, anxiety, fear, racing thoughts, insomnia, DP/DR

 

Reinstated 10/31/16 at 2.5 mg lexapro, then increased to 5 mg  Some relief, sleep better, severe DP/DR decreased.  Still very anxious, exhausted, dizzy. 

Switched 12/26/16 Luvox 50 mg (25 mg am and 25 mg pm).  Dizziness, exhaustion, anxiety, DP/DR

1/13/17 switched to one dose of Luvox 50 mg before bed.  EXHAUSTED, dizzy, weakness, off balance, anxiety, DP/DR

1/20/17 Luvox 37.5 mg PM.  Main symptoms: FATIGUE, dizziness, DP/DR, anxiety 

 

Supplements: iron, fish oil, vitamin D, methyl folate, Mitochondiral NRG (for fatigue)


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 08:29 PM

Ladies and gentlemen ,
I am so so pleased to report some good news on my thread involving my lexapro withdrawal. I am please to report that I have gained exactly one pound :)
I'll take it.
December 2014 - Lexapro 20 mg
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Posted 18 April 2017 - 11:35 PM

Hey Alice!

 

I blame cortisol, too.  If you look at my thread - I just went through a series of heart testing (second set in 2 years).

 

Yep.  Cortisol.

 

 

fishing or shopping or taking my daughter to the park. I'm trying to build from that 

 

That's the way!  Follow your pleasure.  Doing things that you enjoy will lead you through your symptoms - and - you might find that you like yourself better at the end of all this.

 

It's great news that you've gained a bit of weight!  (I've lost about 15 pounds in the past year, but lordy it's been hard work - and only about 45 to go!)

 

I love your attitude - you gotta laugh (to keep from crying) - but that's going to serve you really well in the long run!

I hope you see the sun (or a fish or a puppy or kiss your daughter) today.


"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.

 

Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 11:44 PM

That's amazing Alice1 X you're improvements give us all hope!

late July...lexapro 10 seroquel 25.....due to mild depression......

adverse reaction, suicidal thoughts, hospitalization

 

August....felt that meds were ripping stomach apart....docs didn't believe me..upped meds to seroquel 125, lexapro 20, mirtazapine 30, olanzapine 20

 

stayed on these drugs unitl mid november......severe anhedonia all the time...

 

mid novemeber, began taper.....very small windows of emotion

 

Christmas....off everything by Christmas day......last six weeks, cried and laughed on a number of occasions for first time since taking initial meds....

 

8 occasions of strong emotion over 6 weeks........doubting recovery......






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