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Which is more difficult to withdraw-- ssri vs. benzo

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#1 LexAnger

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 03:47 PM

I was recently referred to benzo buddies http://www.benzobudd....php?board=89.0for more success stories. I found tons success stories just for the year of 2017, and most are from much shorter tapering (less than a year).

Wow, so we who are on ssri are in the worst hit of all, in the order of street drugs, benzo, SSirs with increasing difficulty in withdrawal???!!!

This new awareness is very heart hardening.
<p>2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg, first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, slight improvement with pain2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR2016 Feb., started fast taper for the drug toxicity caused by the one dose of 4.2mg, dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, sliding Down to 0.13mg by 2/13, then 0.07mg since 2/18, 0.06mg 2/20-3/17, 0.13mg 3/18

#2 LexAnger

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 03:54 PM

Anyone know the difference in how the two works/interfaces/damage the brain?
And why ssri the most difficult to stop?
<p>2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg, first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, slight improvement with pain2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR2016 Feb., started fast taper for the drug toxicity caused by the one dose of 4.2mg, dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, sliding Down to 0.13mg by 2/13, then 0.07mg since 2/18, 0.06mg 2/20-3/17, 0.13mg 3/18

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 04:21 PM

Good question.  I would love to know this myself.


Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986, prescribed for ulcerative colitis pain.  CT 1991, experienced bad flare-up of colitis, reinstated a few months later.  Jan. 27, 2016, began every-3-weeks 10% taper.  At 30 mg began experiencing dizziness; at 25 mg experiencing anxiety as well as insomnia; at 19 mg - more anxiety; at 15 mg - more anxiety; August 30 discovered SA, updosed to 25 mg and holding there.    

 

Lorazepam 1 mg for colitis-related stress 1986.  CT 1992, reinstated a few months later.  CT approx. 2000 with no difficulty.  Since 2011 1mg for insomnia at bedtime. Decreased to .75 mg mid-2015 with no difficulty.  September 28, 2016, increased to 1.5 mg in a split dose of .5 mg, morning, afternoon and bedtime to alleviate anxiety.

 

Lexapro 20 mg. since 2004 for depression.  January 6, 2017, began 2.5% taper per week for four weeks with 2-week hold. Jan. 6 19.5 mg, Jan 13 19 mg, Jan. 20 18.5 mg, Jan. 27 18 mg, Feb. 3 two-week hold, Feb. 18 17.5  mg, Feb. 25 17.1 mg, Mar. 4 16.7 mg, Mar. 11 16.3mg, Mar. 18 two-week hold

 

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 05:10 PM

Whichever one you are currently trying to get off!


Podcasts:    Let's Talk Withdrawal

 

Antidepressants:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft; Cipramil CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks soon after)

Pristiq:  50mg mid 2012, 100mg beg 2014 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)     Current:  Pristiq 28mg (from 3 March 17)

 

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 05:54 PM

SSRI and benzo withdrawal are eerily similar. In this article in "The Guardian," Dr. Peter Gøtzsche writes:

 

I began to realise the scale of the problem when I was persuaded seven years ago to become a tutor for a PhD thesis on whether history was repeating itself, by comparing benzodiazepines ("mother's little helper") with SSRIs. This research has established that people get as hooked on SSRIs as they did on benzodiazepines, and 37 of 42 withdrawal symptoms were the same for SSRIs as for benzodiazepines.

 

The full article is here:  Psychiatric drugs are doing us more harm than good

 

And here is the study in the PubMed database:

 

What is the difference between dependence and withdrawal reactions? A comparison of benzodiazepines and selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors.

 


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After 30 years of polydrug use, completely med free May 22, 2015.

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I am not a medical professional, and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. 

 

 


#6 Madeleine

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 08:37 AM

One thing about benzo withdrawal, and maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that if you taper benzos slowly as professor Ashton directs, or slower, and get to the lowest doses, and don't feel a lot of symptoms along the way, then you jump off, if you don't feel withdrawal symptoms right off, you won't feel some out of the blue 3-5 months later. With SSRI stories, it seems people get off, feel okay for a few months, then get hit with symptoms, often quite bad, several months later.  Have others noticed this? If this is indeed the case, why is that? 


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#7 LexAnger

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 09:51 AM

Great info, sheep! Thanks very for for sharing!

Somehow I'm still very interested in why there are more success stories fro benzo withdrawal than ssri withdrawal. And on average much shorter timeline for benzo withdrawal.

another question, I read some ppl use benzo to help with ssri withdrawal. Dose it really help and why? I used benzo for sleep before ssri time for many years on and Off and never had problem to stop or any side effects. If benzo indeed can help with ssri withdrawal, would it be a good idea to take benzo for those who don't have benzo withdrawal?

I will look into more mechanism how benzo works, at the meantime, would appreciate any thoughts and input.
<p>2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg, first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, slight improvement with pain2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR2016 Feb., started fast taper for the drug toxicity caused by the one dose of 4.2mg, dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, sliding Down to 0.13mg by 2/13, then 0.07mg since 2/18, 0.06mg 2/20-3/17, 0.13mg 3/18

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 11:30 AM

Great info, sheep! Thanks very for for sharing!

Somehow I'm still very interested in why there are more success stories fro benzo withdrawal than ssri withdrawal. And on average much shorter timeline for benzo withdrawal.

another question, I read some ppl use benzo to help with ssri withdrawal. Dose it really help and why? I used benzo for sleep before ssri time for many years on and Off and never had problem to stop or any side effects. If benzo indeed can help with ssri withdrawal, would it be a good idea to take benzo for those who don't have benzo withdrawal?

I will look into more mechanism how benzo works, at the meantime, would appreciate any thoughts and input.

 

 

From reading the Benzo Buddies forum, it seems like people there find SSRIs to be easier to wean off from more than benzos. A lot of them also take SSRIs to help with their benzo withdrawals, especially for insomnia. But for us here at the SA forum, we find the opposite to be true - that SSRIs seems harder to get off than benzos. 

 

I dunno if adding a benzo to the mix would help with withdrawals from an SSRI. It might but I would be very hesitant on adding anymore psychoactive drugs into our systems. I just know that benzos work on the GABA receptors while SSRIs work on the serotonin receptors. And damaging both of those receptors causes VERY similar effects in withdrawal. I can definitely relate a lot more to the people on benzo buddies because their symptoms match mine a lot. 

 

It does seem like people do tend to recover faster from benzos but there are many factors to take into account like the person's taper schedule, their genetics, if they CT'd multiple times, etc. A lot of people there are also in protracted WD too - some still suffering 5-6 years later. Some people are just luckier than others. 


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August 2016: decreased back to 20mg
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Posted 16 March 2017 - 12:55 PM

Great info, sheep! Thanks very for for sharing!

Somehow I'm still very interested in why there are more success stories fro benzo withdrawal than ssri withdrawal. And on average much shorter timeline for benzo withdrawal.

another question, I read some ppl use benzo to help with ssri withdrawal. Dose it really help and why? I used benzo for sleep before ssri time for many years on and Off and never had problem to stop or any side effects. If benzo indeed can help with ssri withdrawal, would it be a good idea to take benzo for those who don't have benzo withdrawal?

I will look into more mechanism how benzo works, at the meantime, would appreciate any thoughts and input.

 

I think we are all very different - there is absolutely no rule to rely on. 

 

Personally, I am having an easier time getting off SSRIs (at least Escitalopram) than Benzos.

 

I also think Benzobuddies is a much larger community than SA, hence the number of people reporting to write their success story. It is about numbers really, neither SA nor Benzobuddies are a true representation of the population - members have been drawn to such websites mostly because of their trouble coming off respective types of drugs. 

 

Professor Heather Ashton pioneered researched into benzodiazepine withdrawal and did indeed suggest taking antidepressants to counteract the chemically induced depression from withdrawal but A/Ds were fairly new at the time and thought to be "less addictive"...

 

I understand you took benzos on occasion, before the A/Ds. I'm glad you never suffered side effects or withdrawal but I (personally) don't think benzos are "safe" even if taken occasionally and no more than 2 to 4 weeks... I am not sure adding another drug for your CNS to cope with would be such a good idea.. but you know my angle lol, I am very much "anti-benzo"...   

 

Why are you considering benzos anyway? Anxiety? Insomnia?... 

 

Best wishes  :)

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- Escitalopram: 60mg ...
- Diazepam: 10mg bedtime prescribed, no c/o
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2010: New Life in the UK - psychologically much better
GP wants to lower Escitalopram (side effects on heart) -> 2011 to 2014: come down from 60 to 15mg in 5mg steps (I had no idea)
January 2014: (after dropping from 20mg to 15mg Esc.: withdrawal symptoms seem to disappear) but plagued with exhaustion ever since - "Excessive Daytime Sleepiness" rather than CFS type (??)
 
December 2014: I decide to taper off Benzos...
 
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- Venlafaxine(MR):  75 mg      (no change) 
- Escitalopram:       0              (tapered last 15mg Nov-Feb 2017 - feeling OK)
- Diazepam:             7 mg       (tapered from 10 mg August 2016)
- Clonazepam:         0.2 mg   (actively tapering, daily dry micro-taper) 
 
No longer anorexic nor depressed, but apathetic/flat and exhausted (excessive daytime sleepiness).
 
Varied balanced diet, no processed/refined foods. Plenty water. Yoga & Mindfulness.
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#10 ChessieCat

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 01:23 PM

"I think we are all very different - there is absolutely no rule to rely on."

 

I think this is it in a nutshell.  And as Alto says, we are each an experiment where N=1.

 

Also, it may be that people forget the intensity of their previous experience.  As an example, when we aren't feeling well with a certain issue we sometimes think this is the worst and think that we would be better able to deal with a different symptom, however when the symptom changes, then it becomes the worst.

 

This is why I made my comment above "Whichever one you are currently trying to get off!"

 

I don't really think it matters which one is easier or worst or whatever.  The only thing that I think matters is the current situation and getting through it.


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Pristiq:  50mg mid 2012, 100mg beg 2014 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)     Current:  Pristiq 28mg (from 3 March 17)

 

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#11 LexAnger

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 03:18 PM

Thanks all for chiming in and the great info and input!! Seriously I learned a lot!

My thinking is based on the assumption ( or fact?), 1), that special genes each individual has determines if one is in the group of problematic withdrawal either from ssri or benzo or both, and 2) one drugs can help with the withdrawl from other.

If both hold true, then it can be an option or even solution for those who are in difficult withdrawal from one but potential not from the other. For example, I took benzo not just occasionally, my mom, sisters, myself have been taking it years for sleeping problems and now one ever had problems except for dependency on it for sleep, which is fine.

After all, after learning more about how benzo works ( On GABA receptors), and the effect they have ( sedation), I know now that even the assumptions are true, I won't be a solution for my case. My Lexapro withdrawal is everything else but not anxiety or insomnia which are what benzo can help.

Thanks everyone for the good learning!!

Lex
<p>2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg, first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, slight improvement with pain2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR2016 Feb., started fast taper for the drug toxicity caused by the one dose of 4.2mg, dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, sliding Down to 0.13mg by 2/13, then 0.07mg since 2/18, 0.06mg 2/20-3/17, 0.13mg 3/18

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:40 AM

I would like to add something to this conversation.  I was pulled off 3 AD's CT starting October 2015, and then in April 2016, my doc advised, me it was okay to switch from one benzo to another in one day.  If you follow the Ashton Manual, you will know switching Benzo's takes weeks and weeks to do a proper crosstaper.

 

Now to get on my soapbox.  I did a lot of reading and research on the below info, plus info from those who have even been mods for BB- feel free to correct anything, this is my opinion only re BB...

I ended up going to BB and being a member starting about 10 months ago now.  Things seem to have changed a little bit in that time.  BB used to be all about speed of taper, a "symptoms based taper" was pretty much unheard of.  So many people went fro the tapering thread to the protracted withdrawal thread, it was just how things went.  No one understood how, when they followed what the mods said, why they ended up with protracted WD. Their mantra was "you do not begin to heal until the drug is out of your system" (something Heather Ashton apparently said/wrote) one time, and they would argue with you and put you down if you tried to state a different opinion.  We have some members here that feel like they were literally run away from BB for having different beliefs.  A taper was to go like this, you would get a mod to get you started, and then they would tell you to push through the symptoms (not caring if your life was ruined in the process, as I understood things, and I verified this through past members.  The success stories used to all last 2-4 years when I joined.  That scared the hell out of me to be frank.  To read the real stories, please read the protracted withdrawal thread.  It is truly horrific.  It gave me nightmares.  Then I read the micro taper thread and the woman who ran that thread did not allow for symptom breaks longer than a few days.  She threatened you with tolerance if you held for any longer than that, and would say not noce things about wanting to get off of the drugs, and remind the that again, "they did not heal until the drug was out of their system" (NOTE: THIS IS NOT TRUE!), so they were only prolonging their agony.  Many were too weak to stand up for themselves in the shape they were in to do what they needed for themselves and understandably could not hand how she treated them, so they forced themselves to taper how she said.  it was heartbreaking to read those peoples threads, and see them go from functional people to bedridden, unable to work or even care for themselves in some cases.  Only in the last few months did I finally  PERSONALLY start seeing new threads about tapering about people talking about holding as long as they needed, and not being bullied  for speaking out about doing things differently.  The reason I suspect they were so against updosing (but not holds, that does not make sense), was because they treated the Ashton Manual like their bible.  Less was known about neuroplasticity then, and Dr. Ashton came from an addiction medicine background, so she was fully against ANY updosing, however, she did allow holds, something BB was oddly stern against, depending where on the site you went. We obviously have found through so many people that holds do work for some people.  Now other areas of the site spoke ill about the micro taper woman.  I never dealt with her, only read the thread.  Ashton was also for putting prole on AD's to help with the Benzo WD, something we now know does not help, and just gives you something else to WD off later.  I feel the same about adding benzo's to an AD WD, Benzo's are just as hard if not harder depending on your specific makeup and drug/medication past, so think about adding a Benzo like adding a second substance that will suck at least as much as your AD WD did, and many people are affected for upwards of 7 years after coming off of Benzo's+ of not being able to have novocaine, steroids, plus some antibiotics, even ibuprofen and acetaminophen, ANY medications, even narcotics can set you off, and the end time for this happening, no one knows.  It also usually makes people super sensitive to meds that put you out for surgery (like propofol), and in pre-surgery they generally use benzo's, and many people who stop benzo's have them turn paradoxical on them if they try them, even years later, which means instead of calming you down it will rev up your CNS, and it is like the worst hell on earth!  Your CNS revs up, and no one knows when it will stop- there is NO drug to calm this down!  See why I say do not add a benzo to AD WD?  Benzo's only help with sleep for a short time, and you can be physically addicted in just a couple of weeks of regular use.  Guidelines from the manufacturers say that use should be under a few weeks total, if that tells you anything.

 

Now to AD vs Benzo WD's

 

My doc agreed to help take me off of my 3 AD's, and then put me on a different one, as everything had pooped out on me.  I was on one of the 3 for 7 years, and the other 2 for about 4 or 5 years.  He agreed to help me come off of the AD's and place me on another one.  He did a virtual CT (with less than 3 weeks for each drug, on SA, this is CT.  I was on a high dose Wellbutrin, and SNRI, and 2 SSRI's, Trazodone, and Pristiq.  SO I came off all of them, and my doc suddenly has a change of heart, will not prescribe a single SSRI, but has NO ISSUES prescribing what I think is the MOST addictive Benzo out there, XANAX!!! I had started this whole thing in October, and my anxiety was so bad by the beginning of December, he put me on Xanax.  The symptoms that came on after that were worsening over time were the expected, worsening depression, fatigue, anorexia, loss of interest in anything, agoraphobia, and severe SI.  My doc's reasoning was that I needed a psychiatrist to prescribe a single AD.  I was in no state to find a P-doc, as every time I tried to talk to one, I would cry too hard, and the receptionist could not understand me.  Luckily I had the idea to see my GP, so the psychiatry dept in my local hospital totally stopped taking new patients because they lost one doc, so my GP saw me, and prescribed Lexapro.  This suffering was over regarding the depression.  Note:  My doc did give me the name on ONE psychiatrist, but hen he was not accepting patients, he refused to help me. Hw was going through sever personal crises at home, but I was left in the cold.

 

Now for the Benzo.  I was on PRN Valium for a permanent condition which gives me muscle spasms in my arms, and shooting pains.  My doc put me on 3mg of Xanax/day for my severe anxiety.  I was on it a total of 4 months.  By the 2nd month, I had interdose WD, starting 3.5 hours after each dose, and was dosing 8 hours, so it was insane.  It took me a month, but the last 4 weeks I was on Xanax, I went to 4 or 6 hour dosing, and also dropped 1 milligram in the process, it was not too bad, because the more frequent dosing helped, but I still had ID WD ever several hours.  I hardly ever slept.  My GP said she did not prescribe Xanax, so she would give me a 12 week taper cycle to get to zero, that was all she would do for me.  My other doc, said he would let me switch me from 2mg of Xanax to 20mg/day of Valium in one day.  According to the Ashton Manual, 2mg of Xanax is equal to 40mg of Valium!!!!  He gave me no other option, because of other meds I must take for my medical condition.  So in April 2016, I stopped Xanax, which has a half life of about 4 hours (just an average), so by 4 hours, 50% of the medicine was gone out of my system, and I was in full WD.  Over the next 4 months, I had over 50 signs and symptoms, which are spelled out symptom by symptom on my thread, if you have interest: http://survivinganti...eeters-journey/  Now I did not have all of them at once they all came and went, but they put my normal pain condition to shame, and I have one of the most painful conditions know to exist.  It is truly the worst thing I have ever gone through to date.  I went back and started reading my notes form each time a couple of weeks ago, and just remembering those times was so very painful!  I also ended up with GI problems that are not on the list, I do not think, but now nearly a year later, are finally clearing up.  I became lactose intolerant, and also severely sensitive to artificial sugars.  If I had any artificial sugar, I spent the next 8 hours in agony.  I had to avoid everything that said sugarless, dies, low calorie or calorie free.  After learning more about artificial sweeteners, I have no interest in them.  I do know I m not seriously sensitive anymore, though.  Now anyone knows the Ashton Manual, knows that a cross taper takes months to successfully do, but that option was not allowed for me.  So I did a crossover.  it was brutal.

 

So, which WD was worse?  The AD's or the Benzo?

I am sure from the writing, anyone would guess that I would say Benzo.  If you ask me which was more BRUTAL, it was the Benzo.  I was not totally bedridden with the AD, but I was so very physically ill with the Benzo that I could not walk unassisted.  All I could register every moment was PAIN.  Everything was too bright, sounds too loud, I was miserable, but 90% of the symptoms were physical.  With the AD, 90% of the severity was mental.  It was grueling, I could not escape my mind, my rumination, the thoughts of suicide, it was unrelenting.  I had no windows with either, except at the end of the 4th month with the benzo, they started.  I am still healing now.  Neuroemotions are a problem for me, which is not easy, but luckily it does not interfere with my mod work, and if it does, I stop what I am doing so that no one else is affected.  I have had so many people send me PM's. those coming off of AD's. NL/AP's, and say, wow- my symptoms are so similar to what you went though with your Benzo WD.  I have read it in their threads.  it really does depend on the person.  it also depends on the person's outlook.  I had no hope during my AD issues, but I did, despite the physical pain for the Benzo,  I learned what to do to self soothe for short periods of time, so I had short breaks, but with he AD, I had no break.  I had to move my personal protection from my bedside, because I was afraid I would use it during my sleep, or go through a bad moment.  I did not have to hide it from myself, just move it so I was not thinking about its presence constantly. I also still have increased pain. so I do struggle with that.

 

I am sorry this was so long, but I wanted to get this out there in case anyone had interest, since I had the misfortune of doing one right after the other.  it still annoys me off to no end that my doc would not give me a simple SSRI, but without a thought, gave me the MOST addictive benzo (IMHO) out there without the blink of an eye.  I was not well enough to do the research I always do about every med I take, so I do know I have some culpability here.  Please ask any questions you have.


Current meds: Lexapro 20mg, Valium 15mg
Current status: Holding.  Lost loved one recently, so waiting until after holidays to begin taper, will update.
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I am NOT a doctor. My opinions are just that- MY opinions, based on my personal experiences and research, but your experience and reactions may differ greatly, we are all different! I maintain that your doctor is the best place to get info or to get the "go ahead" before changing your medications in any way!






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