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#1 billybatts

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 04:08 AM

Hello all - I am 1 month post taper of Klonopin. Took over 4 months liquid titration. 

 

I was given the neurontin to take to assist with the withdrawal process. I take anywhere between 300-900 mg every other day to every third day over the past 3 month. However, I think I am having a bad reaction. I feel suicidal and cry all the time. Since I was not taking alot and was not taking it every day, can I just take a week of oif work and let it get out of my system? Considering it makes me have those horrible suicidal thoughts, I would prefer not to taper, but if you feel that is better let me know. I am so not ready to taper another med and deal with more withdrawls after the hell of the Klonopion, but I need to do what is safest and best for me. Im close to losing my job from suffering job performance due to the Klonopin taper/withdrawl and the fact I sleep once every three days. My brain is a mess. Please help me!


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Occasional Xanax - Jan 2012 to Sept 2016. 
Quit drinking August 2016 after 25 yrs
Sept 1,2016 Put on Klonopin 2.5 MG
Sept 20, 2016 - C/T Klonopin - Bad move! Had to reinstate after a little over a month. All the rescue doses were a sign this was a failure. 
Nov 2016 - Reinstate @ 1mg, liquid taper .008 daily liquid over 4 months. Hardly any symptoms during taper. Maybe 3-5 bad days
Feb 28th 2017 - Jump!


#2 billybatts

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 09:32 AM

Hello all - I am 1 month post taper of Klonopin. Took over 5 months liquid titration. 

 

I was given the neurontin to take to assist with the withdrawal process. I take anywhere between 300-900 mg every other day to every third day over the past 3 month. However, I think I am having a bad reaction. I feel suicidal and cry all the time. (This never happened while tapering the klonopin, so the only thing different is the addition of gabapentin) Since I was not taking a large dose, and was not taking it every day, can I just not take it any more?? My last dose was 300mg about 60 hrs ago. Considering it makes me have those horrible suicidal thoughts, I would prefer not to taper and be gone with this med asap. I do not like what this does to me mentally. If you feel that is better that I taper let me know, however the severity of the mental issues from this are overwhelming. I am so not ready to taper another med and deal with more withdrawals after the hell of the Klonopin, but I need to do what is safest and best for me. Im close to losing my job from suffering job performance due to the Klonopin taper/withdrawl and the fact I sleep once every three days. My brain is a mess.

 

Should I have already started feeling awful by now if C/T was going to be an issue? When will I know I should reinstate?

 

Please help me!


Occasional Xanax - Jan 2012 to Sept 2016. 
Quit drinking August 2016 after 25 yrs
Sept 1,2016 Put on Klonopin 2.5 MG
Sept 20, 2016 - C/T Klonopin - Bad move! Had to reinstate after a little over a month. All the rescue doses were a sign this was a failure. 
Nov 2016 - Reinstate @ 1mg, liquid taper .008 daily liquid over 4 months. Hardly any symptoms during taper. Maybe 3-5 bad days
Feb 28th 2017 - Jump!


#3 scallywag

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 05:11 PM

billybatts -- Welcome to Surviving Antidepressants (SA)
 
Benzos are a beast in a class of their own. As far as I know, 4 months is a fast taper off Klonopin. The symptoms you are experiencing are likely withdrawal symptoms, not side effects of the Neurontin (gabapentin).  I'm sorry that you are having to deal with them.
 
Taking Neurontin inconsistently -- varying doses and skipping days -- is probably causing more problems. Medications that affect the CNS (central nervous system) such as psychiatric medications often have short half-lives and are best when the same dose is taken at the same time every day.
 
Please tell us more about your Klonopin taper:
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Posted 31 March 2017 - 03:34 AM

Hi, billybatts.

 

As Scallywag stated, once we know more about your drug history, we can better assist.

 

I wanted to add some information about Klonopin and benzo withdrawal. Even though you are off it now, knowing symptoms that are common may place your mind at ease about what you are going through. 

 

 

The Ashton Manual - list of benzo withdrawal symptoms

 

Ashton and beyond in benzo tapering

 

Please let us know more, and we can better advise you. 

 


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Developed dependency and stayed on cocktails of drugs for nearly 30 years.

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Last drug cocktail: Seroquel, Halcion, Klonopin, Sonata, Vibrydd, and Dexetrine

After 30 years of polydrug use, completely med free May 22, 2015.

Remaining symptoms: dp/dr with memory problems and insomnia

 

I am not a medical professional, and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. 

 

 


#5 billybatts

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 04:56 PM

Hi, billybatts.

 

As Scallywag stated, once we know more about your drug history, we can better assist.

 

I wanted to add some information about Klonopin and benzo withdrawal. Even though you are off it now, knowing symptoms that are common may place your mind at ease about what you are going through. 

 

 

The Ashton Manual - list of benzo withdrawal symptoms

 

Ashton and beyond in benzo tapering

 

Please let us know more, and we can better advise you. 

 

 

 

 

I am sorry! I thought I placed this in my signature!

 

Occasional Xanax - Jan 2012 to Sept 2016. 
Quit drinking August 2016 after 25 yrs
Sept 1,2016 Put on Klonopin 2.5 MG
Sept 20, 2016 - C/T Klonopin - Bad move! Had to reinstate after a little over a month. All the rescue doses were a sign this was a failure. 
Nov 2016 - Reinstate @ 1mg, liquid taper .008 daily liquid over 4 months. Hardly any symptoms during taper. Maybe 3-5 bad days
Feb 28th 2017 - Jump!

All hell breaks loose after jump. 

 

So I am about 1 month and 4 days post jump. I sleep once every 3-4 days. I know this is normal after just jumping from benzos and will eventually return. I was taking neurontin PRN during the taper and post jump, but i think my CNS sensitivity without the Klonopin is making interdose withdrawl of neurontin more prevelant. I tried to go a few days without taking any and it was absolutely awful. I think I may have even had a seizure. I dont remember what happened but I started shaking really strangely then blacked out. So I started the neurontin and now divided the doses among the entire day. I feel much better after 24 hrs. Almost normal. So that means it was the gabapentin. 

 

So how do I get off this crap? Im so disheartened that I now have another taper. I was told by my doctor I can just stop taking this junk. Oh well. In total I was really on it like 4 months, but was dosing every 3 days or so. So I didnt really take alot. I am reading some places say 10% a month and some people are sucessful much faster. What are your thoughts considering my short time on it? My CNS is still fragile from the K. Maybe stabalize for a week or 2 at 900 mg per day first?


Occasional Xanax - Jan 2012 to Sept 2016. 
Quit drinking August 2016 after 25 yrs
Sept 1,2016 Put on Klonopin 2.5 MG
Sept 20, 2016 - C/T Klonopin - Bad move! Had to reinstate after a little over a month. All the rescue doses were a sign this was a failure. 
Nov 2016 - Reinstate @ 1mg, liquid taper .008 daily liquid over 4 months. Hardly any symptoms during taper. Maybe 3-5 bad days
Feb 28th 2017 - Jump!


#6 Petunia

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 09:07 PM

Hi billybatts,

I'm sorry you are finding yourself in this difficult situation, but glad you found us.

 

If I were you I would stay on your current, daily Neurontin dose for at least 2 weeks. If this is helping with symptoms and enabling you to keep your job. This this would be sensible, if keeping your job is important to you.

 

Only you can decide when you are stable enough to begin a new taper. But a good guide would be when you have had two weeks free from symptoms or with consistent but minor, tolerable symptoms. Personally,  would stay on it longer if its enabling you to continue to function. Wait until you are feeling good and stable again.

 

If the Neurontin is masking residual benzo withdrawal, then its going to return when you stop taking it. So you will want to start very slowly to see how it will effect you.

 

Here is the relevant topic:  Tips for tapering off Neurontin (gabapentin)

 

Read through the thread, there are comments from someone who was also given neurontin for benzo withdrawal, and was about to start a taper.

 

I'm sorry you were misinformed by your doctor, unfortunately, most of them don't yet know the truth about the long term effects of these drugs, withdrawal problems, or how to help their patients come off them safely.


I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

 

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Full Drug and Withdrawal History

 

Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety)

Xanax PRN

Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes animal25.gif

 

Supplements which seem to help:  High doses of Vitamin C, Magnesium, Garlic and Ginger.  Taurine, Vit D3, L-Theanine and Inositol. I'm one of the rare people who react badly to fish oil.

 

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

 

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VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes?



VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects?

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#7 billybatts

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Posted 01 April 2017 - 07:49 AM

The problem is since staring the gaba, it appears to not be agreeing with me. I feel very out if body, dizzy, memory issues, depressed, emotional, and a strange urge to not live any more. I was never like this. Can I do an accelerated taper you think? Over 1 month with a liquid daily taper? I'm between a rock and a hard place and it is awful. I'm so broken.

Occasional Xanax - Jan 2012 to Sept 2016. 
Quit drinking August 2016 after 25 yrs
Sept 1,2016 Put on Klonopin 2.5 MG
Sept 20, 2016 - C/T Klonopin - Bad move! Had to reinstate after a little over a month. All the rescue doses were a sign this was a failure. 
Nov 2016 - Reinstate @ 1mg, liquid taper .008 daily liquid over 4 months. Hardly any symptoms during taper. Maybe 3-5 bad days
Feb 28th 2017 - Jump!


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Posted 01 April 2017 - 11:40 PM

Hi billybatts,

I'm a bit confused. In one post it sounds like the neurontin was helping, when you started taking it in regular doses...
 

. I tried to go a few days without taking any and it was absolutely awful. I think I may have even had a seizure. I dont remember what happened but I started shaking really strangely then blacked out. So I started the neurontin and now divided the doses among the entire day. I feel much better after 24 hrs. Almost normal.

 
 but here you wrote that it's causing new symptoms...

The problem is since staring the gaba, it appears to not be agreeing with me. I feel very out if body, dizzy, memory issues, depressed, emotional, and a strange urge to not live any more. I was never like this.


In the first post on this thread you wrote "Im close to losing my job from suffering job performance due to the Klonopin taper/withdrawl and the fact I sleep once every three days. My brain is a mess."

 

I'm trying to ascertain if these symptoms could possibly be related to klonopin withdrawal rather than being caused by the neurontin.

 

When exactly did these symptoms start? Are they getting better, worse, or staying about the same?

 

If the start of these symptoms coincided with your jump from klonopin, then they are more likely to be caused by benzo withdrawal. If this is the case, then a fast taper off neurontin now could possibly make you feel even worse.

 

But if you are sure that what you are experiencing now is an adverse reaction to to neurontin, a fast taper off might help, but I don't know.

 

Perhaps you could post your story and current symptoms in our Members-only benzo forum

where members with more experience of benzo withdrawal might be able to help.


I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

 

My Introduction Thread

 

Full Drug and Withdrawal History

 

Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety)

Xanax PRN

Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes animal25.gif

 

Supplements which seem to help:  High doses of Vitamin C, Magnesium, Garlic and Ginger.  Taurine, Vit D3, L-Theanine and Inositol. I'm one of the rare people who react badly to fish oil.

 

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

 

VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from?



VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made?



VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes?



VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects?

VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes

 

 

 


#9 Sk8N883

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 05:45 PM

Sounds a lot like me. Thought gabapentin was helping after a benzo and suboxone withdrawal but now I'm figuring out it can have similar withdrawals to benzodiazepines. I'm guessing more likely if your nervous system has already been compromised by benzos. Feels like I'm starting over.

2001 - 2009 hydrocodone recreationally

2009 - tried to stop had major anxiety and panic attacks, prescribed Xanax daily.. hell followed shorty after(within 2 months)

2009 - Hospitalized for 9 months and given various antidepressants and antipsychotics(Zyprexa, Seroquil, Celexa, Prozac (cant remember the rest)

2010 - finally stabilized on Cymbalta 60mg, Trazadone 50-100mg, Suboxone 16mg

Over time became more and more depressed and anxiety returning..

August 2016 - prescribed Klonopin as needed for anxiety(hell followed once again)

October 15 2016 - stopped Klonopin cold turkey(severe acute withdrawal for 2 weeks, zero sleep for 7 days ending in a week long hospital stay

November 1 - December 1, started on Gabapentin 900mg then raised to 1200mg during quick taper off 16mg Suboxone(3 weeks of acute withdrawals in rehab)

January 2017 - stopped Cymbalta 60mg with no taper(seemed to handle ok minus brain zaps for 2 weeks)(no choice.. lost insurance)

January - Late March - seemed to be doing ok, some depression and mild anxiety

currently still taking gabapentin 900mg down from 1200mg on March 29 (hell starting all over again.. so done with the roller coaster of psychiatrists and medications)

 


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 01:20 PM

gabapentin is a nightmare.   it definitely causes extreme psychological disturbance.  knowing this,  one can at least not believe your thoughts and feelings when they are happening.   my depression and suicidal feelings usually happen most intensely on waking.  the sooner I can get up and moving the better.   I try to avoid stressful people, conversation, news, and noisy places.  sometimes the only thing that helps is putting earphones on and watching an intense movie.  ' homeland' was a life saver.   

I have no answers for you,  I have not been able to get off gabapentin and sometimes think it will be a lifetime thing.  LDN seems to help to help me and i am hoping it will help me all the way off.     there is a good supportive Facebook group.   also CBD oil helps people but I am allergic to it.  check the fb group.


many years ago given sinequan for depression bad reaction so tiny dose of meleril to balance... quit after a year or so c/t

years pass no drugs

reg doc had me try all of the  a/d bc of upset due to divorce.  couldn't handle any.  took klonopin to sleep .5 mg  2003

taper klonopin

hooked on tramadol accidentally. 2006-2008 husband had migraines and took them like candy. so i became dependent too.  c/t  2008

diagnosis of porphyria after years of symptoms,  then toxic event made me really ill.

 

gabapentin 300mg every 3 hours , 6x day.

propranolol   180 mg  6x / day

since 2012

clonazepam prescribed as 1 mg / day  but beginning to take more to deal with withdrawals and sleeplessness

 


#11 AwareButStruggling

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:11 PM

Taking Neurontin inconsistently -- varying doses and skipping days -- is probably causing more problems. Medications that affect the CNS (central nervous system) such as psychiatric medications often have short half-lives and are best when the same dose is taken at the same time every day.

 

I would concur with that. Gabapentin is a little different. It is not a benzodiazepine, and it doesn't bind to the receptors that bzd's do, but it is shorter acting than klonopin is (unless you are a rapid metabolizer of Klonopin). I take Gabapentin twice a day (2x300mg), and I feel each dose wearing off after several hours. I do believe it has interdose withdrawals just like the short-acting bzd's like Ativan or Xanax. You might have a dependency on it at this point, so, that may be another reason not to skip days. I've never taken Klonopin, but I assume it's easier to skip days with it because of its intermediate half-life.....

Gabapentin most likely wears off faster than Klonopin. Personally, taking a small dose (100mg) once in a blue moon may not be so bad, but I think it's a whole different ballgame with doses of 300mg and up. I think in those cases, it's much better to take the Gabapentin on a regular basis and find the dose that is not too high, where you feel horrific when you don't take it, but also not too low where you feel horrific in spite of taking it. It's not a "nice" psych drug by any means, but I personally think if that's something that can help you keep off Klonopin (if that is your goal), it may be somewhat helpful. 2.5mg of Klonopin is about 50mg of Valium, by the way, so you may still be dealing with residual symptoms of a Klonopin cold turkey and then the following taper.

 

This is just my purely personal view, but if you need a Glutamate suppressing agent, Gabapentin may be a better choice than Seroquel or Lamictal or Risperdal. Again, just my personal view.


Prozac 1997- 2013, stopped after 1 month short-taper.

Ativan  0.5mg 2010-2012 (on/off use, mostly off than on)

Ativan  0.5mg 2013-2014 (on/off, mostly on than off)

Ativan  up to 2-3mg/day Dec 2014/Jan 2015

Tapered down ativan to 0.54mg/day, 2015-2017

With help of 12.5mg valium, 100mg Metoprolol, 600mg Gabapentin






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