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I was on paxil during adolescent development.  Does paxil affect electrolyte balance?  I have this strange problem where I drink 200oz of gatorade/day.  They say it is POTS -which they also said in the mid 90s(while on paxil).  Given that GSK received the biggest fine in the history of the Justice Department, for lying about paxil safety in children, is it possible this 'pots' was caused, and still is, from paxil?  Hope I'm making sense. 

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paxil prozac zoloft cymbalta effexor trazodone wellbutrin methylphenidate amitriptyline desipramine doxepin seroquel buspar clonazepam depakote(high doses) geodon lamictal neurontin strattera escitalopram.  Some of these drugs I have been on multiple times.  It is hard to remember. 

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do APs and/or anti-depressants deplete vitamins/minerals? i have heard that they have and i am beginning to believe that they do. any ideas? 

In March 2016 i suffered from a paranoia/schizophrenic episode which resulted in me taking risperidone/risperdal 3mg for about 3 weeks along with a couple 7mg long acting injections.  i had an intense withdrawal after stopping cold turkey and i have been off risperidone ever since then.

 

 

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Hello, 

I am curious if there is any study or experience that can address me toward some depletions to investigate. I mean, after Ssri, do you think there are some specific electrolytes, mineral, hormones es, proteins to check through the blood test? Which are more likely to be depleted after Ssri? 

Cipralex starts : Mid- May 2013 10mg

Cipralex dose increased: July 2013 20mg

First attempt to quit : December 2013 ( very fast tapering, all happened in 1 month)

I started again cipralex: January 2014 10 mg

Cipralex dose increased: March 2014 20mg

Cipralex discontinuation: Between June and Agust 2014 I discontinued cipralex (about 3 or 3,5 months tapering)

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This is just one of many articles on this specific topic.  I would exercise extreme caution and use the very lowest doses and no combos, preferably after testing.  

https://www.optimallivingdynamics.com/blog/7-important-nutrients-depleted-by-psychiatric-drugs-antidepressants-antipsychotics-stimulants-benzodiazepines-induced-guide-vitamins-medications

 

There are tests for Micronutrient Deficiencies, usually used by Functional Medicine and other Alternative Practitioners.  Spectracell is one company.  

 

You can search on "Drug-induced Nutrient Deficiencies" and find a plethora of information.  

Pristiq tapered over 8 months ending Spring 2011 after 18 years of polydrugging that began w/Zoloft for fatigue/general malaise (not mood). CURRENT: 1mg Klonopin qhs (SSRI bruxism), 75mg trazodone qhs, various hormonesLitigation for 11 years for Work-related injury, settled 2004. Involuntary medical retirement in 2001 (age 39). 2012 - brain MRI showing diffuse, chronic cerebrovascular damage/demyelination possibly vasculitis/cerebritis. Dx w/autoimmune polyendocrine failure.<p>2013 - Dx w/CNS Sjogren's Lupus (FANA antibodies first appeared in 1997 but missed by doc).

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Thank you very much Barbarannamated. Actually, I did some test last year and I was low in via D and B12. I will do them again shortly. 

Cipralex starts : Mid- May 2013 10mg

Cipralex dose increased: July 2013 20mg

First attempt to quit : December 2013 ( very fast tapering, all happened in 1 month)

I started again cipralex: January 2014 10 mg

Cipralex dose increased: March 2014 20mg

Cipralex discontinuation: Between June and Agust 2014 I discontinued cipralex (about 3 or 3,5 months tapering)

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Interestingly i had a full spectrum blood test done for number of things including liver function, baseline & viral activity. It doesn't cost anything here in Australia for these blood tests (Medicare) so my doctor had a bunch of them run - They took a fair bit of blood for it all! This was about 2.5 months into my withdrawal. 

Magnesium, B12, Iron, Vitamin D, Folate, Sodium, Bicarbonate, Urea, Creatinine, Calcium, Phosphate, Glucose (Fasting)all returned within normal range. Exception was Vitamin D was a little low but still within range.

Thyroid function tested, diabetes etc. All came back as fine.

Tested for viral activity & blood cultures also cam back good.

 

The most bothering symptons for me has been brain fog & derealization. If anyone has tips on how to deal with these let me know =)

Paroxatine - 2004-2006

Effexor XR 75mg 2006 - 2016 (Discontinued Feb 2016) - Withdrawal for 6 months.

Effexor XR 75mg Re-instated June 2017 (Discontinued Dec 2017)

Effexor XR 2-3 mg Re-instated March 10 2018 - 1 day (Didn't work)

Effexor XR 2mg Reinstated (Again) May 11 2018. 6 Beads

July 2018 - 0.0mg of Effexor. Zilch

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alchemist, what is the source of your information and how reliable is it?

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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Hi Altostrata, the information can be found in the book "Antidepressants, Antipsychotics and Stimulants." Written by Dr. David W. Tanton, Ph.D 

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Provide a link, please, so we don't have to Google it.

 

Merged similar topics.

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Here is link to a UK site.

£603 if you want a used one.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Antidepressants-Antipsychotics-Stimulants-Dangerous-Soaring/dp/0977270327

Born 1945. 

1999 - First Effexor/Venlafaxine. 

2016 Withdrawal research. Effexor.  13Jul - 212.5mg;  6Aug - 200.0mg;  24Aug - 187.5mg;  13Sep - 175.0mg;  3Oct - 162.5mg;  26Oct - 150mg 

2017  9Jan - 150.00mg;  23Mar - 137.50mg;  24Apr - 125.00mg;  31May - 112.50mg holding;  3Sep - 100.00mg;  20Sep - 93.75mg;  20Oct - 87.5mg;  12Nov - 81.25mg;  13 Dec - 75.00mg

2018  18Jan - 69.1mg; 16Feb - 62.5mg; 16March - 57.5mg (-8%); 22Apr - 56.3mg(-2%); CRASHED - Updose 29May - 62.5mg; Updose - 1Jul - 75.0mg. Updose - 2Aug - 87.5mg. Updose - 27Aug - 100.0mg. Updose - 11Oct 112.5mg. Updose - 6Nov 125.00mg. 

2019 Updoses 19 Jan - 150.0mg. 1April - 162.5mg. 24 April - Feeling better - doing tasks, getting outside.  7 May - usual depression questionnaire gives "probably no depression" result.

Supps/Vits  Omega 3;  Chelated Magnesium;  Prebiotics/Probiotics, Vit D3. 

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We await Alto's views on this, of course.

2 out of the mere 3 reviews do not inspire confidence, to say the least! 

Born 1945. 

1999 - First Effexor/Venlafaxine. 

2016 Withdrawal research. Effexor.  13Jul - 212.5mg;  6Aug - 200.0mg;  24Aug - 187.5mg;  13Sep - 175.0mg;  3Oct - 162.5mg;  26Oct - 150mg 

2017  9Jan - 150.00mg;  23Mar - 137.50mg;  24Apr - 125.00mg;  31May - 112.50mg holding;  3Sep - 100.00mg;  20Sep - 93.75mg;  20Oct - 87.5mg;  12Nov - 81.25mg;  13 Dec - 75.00mg

2018  18Jan - 69.1mg; 16Feb - 62.5mg; 16March - 57.5mg (-8%); 22Apr - 56.3mg(-2%); CRASHED - Updose 29May - 62.5mg; Updose - 1Jul - 75.0mg. Updose - 2Aug - 87.5mg. Updose - 27Aug - 100.0mg. Updose - 11Oct 112.5mg. Updose - 6Nov 125.00mg. 

2019 Updoses 19 Jan - 150.0mg. 1April - 162.5mg. 24 April - Feeling better - doing tasks, getting outside.  7 May - usual depression questionnaire gives "probably no depression" result.

Supps/Vits  Omega 3;  Chelated Magnesium;  Prebiotics/Probiotics, Vit D3. 

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I was low in potassium, sodium, magnesium (VERY SERIOUS) and Zinc - and this is WESTERN medicine standards, which is totally screwed up. 

 

So YES it is very true that prescription drugs interfere with our bodies ability to absorb nutrients. That was 100% true in my case. You don’t have to believe it, but adding these things (including essential minerals - all of them) has helped calm my system tremendously. 

 

Our soil is also depleted so it’s hard to get some of these micronutrients from food. 

 

Rachel - 1998-2012 Prozac 20mg

2012-2014 Prozac 40mg

Sept 17 Remeron 15mg, March ‘18 7.5mg

Jan 31 - Feb 13 1/4 - 1mg Ativan

Jan 31 - feb 5 - 2mg Prozac, 4mg feb 7

feb 10 - 10mg rem, Feb 27 - 7.5mg rem

Feb 27 - March 6th - 5mg Baclofen 

March 12th - Keppra 250mg

March 24 - 30mg phenobarbital 

 

 

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On 8/9/2016 at 8:36 PM, VitaminB said:

Hope you will not be harmed by anything in this post. I have no credentials! 

The people who harm have the most credentials! It’s so funny when this site has to say “but always check with your Dr. first - YEAH RIGHT” lol

 

Rachel - 1998-2012 Prozac 20mg

2012-2014 Prozac 40mg

Sept 17 Remeron 15mg, March ‘18 7.5mg

Jan 31 - Feb 13 1/4 - 1mg Ativan

Jan 31 - feb 5 - 2mg Prozac, 4mg feb 7

feb 10 - 10mg rem, Feb 27 - 7.5mg rem

Feb 27 - March 6th - 5mg Baclofen 

March 12th - Keppra 250mg

March 24 - 30mg phenobarbital 

 

 

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https://pharmacysolutionsonline.com/drug-induced-nutrient-depletion.php

This is a site that shows the vitamin depletion caused by certain drugs.  I have had specific issues with thiamine and at different times other nutrients stumbling blindly I got lucky a couple of times and found a food high in specific nutrient that greatly helped my healing.  All bran comes to mind for thiamine and perhaps riboflavin .. B1 and B2 are the maybe more common names for these two but there are many.  After being on antidepressants for a number of years I ended up on other drugs to treat other symptoms which I think were caused by long term antidepressant use.  Such as ppi drugs ect.. there is more than likely a few pages at SA listing the drugs common to users of ssri/snri drugs. 

This site is searchable for specific drugs and shows which nutrients are depleted by each drug and the symptoms of that depletion.  It may well be a simple thing that is easily cured however may require more care with diet as there are some tricks along with taking a specific supplement.  As always start at a  low low dose and work your way up even with supplements. One trick I learned was to cut sugar out of my diet I did this because my liver was not happy and learned only yesterday that for some reason sugar and thiamine don't play well together. I did it because I was sick not as a science experiment but over time no sugar and extra thiamine helped there are other pages to search after you get this one under your belt regarding specific nutrients.  For a long time I only ate my nutrients as that is all my body could handle as I learned by trial and error ... (I did not have the benefit of this searchable site) I adjusted as I went.  Trial and error is not the best was to do this and any thing that may speed up the process and cut the suffering time is a gem to me. 

 

I hope you find it useful.  Here is a bit about antidepressants but other psych drugs searches are available for you to do yourself. 

 

Antidepressants

   

Amitriptyline (Elavil), clomipramine (Anafranil), desipramine (Norpramin), doxepin (Adapin), imipramine (Tofranil), nortriptyline (Pamelor)

Coenzyme Q10

Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin)

Decreased protection against cancer and aging, tiredness, congestive heart failure, increased lipid levels

Problems with the skin (acne, scaly skin), eyes (sensitivity to light, cracked, dry mucous membranes

Chlorpromazine (Thorazine), promazine (Sparine), thioridazine (Thioril), fluphenazine (Prolixin), perphenazine, prochlorperazine (Compazine)

Coenzyme Q10

Melatonin

Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin)

Decreased protection against cancer and aging, tiredness, congestive heart failure, increased lipid levels

Insomnia, depression, growth hormone deficiency, blood sugar changes, decreased protection against cancer and aging

Problems with the skin (acne, scaly skin), eyes (sensitivity to light, cracked, dry mucous membranes

phenelzine (Nardil)

Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine)

Depression, insomnia, increased risk for cardiovascular disease, PMS

 

For me Coenzyme Q10 is fine B2 is fine but I am looking at better formulas same with B1 ... B6 I have leaned I cannot metabolize properly and need to take the proper one for my body... you can find out about your specific body needs by doing a 23 and me test... and running it thru other specific tools. We only get one body and it may have some quirks so finding out as much as we can to help it heal best it can is in our best interest.  I hate that this takes so long and how severely (and completely)  it disrupts lives and changes some of our paths forever.  So anything I learn that could possibly shorten the torment I will share... wishing you all peace it is so hard fought for the slightest bit is worth more than all the money in the world to people who can't find any ... peace is my wish for each of you. B

 

ps 

I found a book online from a website called hormones matter both I think are going to help me move forward more in my healing... 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073NCFNLX/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ref_=cm_sw_r_kb_dp_3v7Gzb7N0R25M&amp;linkCode=sl1&amp;tag=hormonesmatte-20&amp;linkId=f3697cc9070aef7f10aa6c43be829880

 

the book is so very expensive I don't think I could ever afford if for those of you still working it may be worth your money to buy. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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https://www.hormonesmatter.com/solving-medically-unsolvable-gene-nutrient-diet-interactions-dysautonomia/

 

Solving the Medically Unsolvable: Gene, Nutrient, and Diet Interactions with Dysautonomia

 

in case you need this page I hope you don't but you might

 

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WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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