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#37 kerrip

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:23 AM

Alex, I hope you don't mind me asking, but how did the niacinamide not agree with you? I do take Xanax a couple of times a week so I am curious. I tried 500 mg niacinamide two nights ago but I didn't notice anything. Last night I took 750 mg and it took me forever to fall asleep, but I was feeling amped up before I took it so I doubt it was the niacinamide that kept me up, but who knows. Thanks, k
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 11:50 AM

As I understand it, you can take holy basil only a couple of days at a time, or the effect wears off.
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 11:58 AM

Alex,

I hope you don't mind me asking, but how did the niacinamide not agree with you? I do take Xanax a couple of times a week so I am curious.

I am very sensitive to the effects of my benzos. For instance, alcohol in small amounts causes a withdrawal effect for a few days after drinking. Niacinamide caused a similar feeling, a benzo w/d feeling, the day after taking.

I take the exact same dose of Valium and konopin every day without exception.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 12:56 PM

Thanks Alex, That is helpful, I am going to continue trying out the niacinamide, but I will keep an eye out for that next day W/D symptom.
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Started 50 mgs Trazodone in June but am starting to taper off due to bad eye twitching, suspected Trazodone is the cause. Went to 25 mg in October and then 12.5 in December and then 0mg on Dec 20th.

Reinstated citalopram at 10 mgs on Nov 26th, then up to 20 mgs on Dec 3rd. Started kindling reaction on Dec 10th. Decided a very quick taper to 10 mgs for a 2 days and then 5mgs for a 2 more. Holding at 2.5 mg and beginning to stabilize. Reinstated trazodone to 12.5 mgs.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 12:50 PM

I think I started a topic about this somewhere else but I'm not sure where. Some studies have shown that especially with older females, using melatonin supplements can cause an increase in cortisol. I've experimented with it myself (I'm a postmenopausal female) and found that for me, at least, there's a definite correlation between how much melatonin I use and how bad my morning cortisol surge is. (Although the main thing that affects my morning cortisol surge is my benzo taper.) I still use very small amounts of melatonin but quite cautiously. You might want to experiment with this for yourself. I also take ashwagandha, which sometimes seems to help, although I'm not really certain.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 03:36 PM

so since it was posted somewhere on here to not stimulate the adrenals, what exactly does that entail? Like any type of so called adrenal support supplement? I ask because my adrenals have been acting up lately. Like I didnt have so many problems with my cortisol for a long time until now. I have been off AD for four months and a week ago decided to try an adrenal support supplement from Gaia herbs (http://www.gaiaherbs...Adrenal-Health-). It seemed to help with my stress response, but lately I have been waking up super early with the cortisol anxiety and am worried I am overstimulating them or something. I actually only take half the recommended does because the full dose made me feel a bit weird.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 06:18 PM

Correct, zepp. When your adrenals are doing such a good job of producing cortisol, the anxiety hormone, as they do in antidepressant withdrawal, if you stimulate them, you will get an unpleasant increase in anxiety or wakefulness. Don't take adrenal support supplements, adrenal extract, adrenal tonics, or anything containing licorice.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 08:41 PM

I haven't been able to find niacinamide or nicotinic acid alone, only a small amount in a multi B vitamin pill. I'm still taking Seriphos. One before going to bed, one when I wake up too early. I take the Seriphos at night and some magnesium chloride. In the morning I take the seriphos and sometimes more magnesium, and sometimes 1mg of melatonin if it's still dark outside (which I really shouldn't... but it does help me go back to sleep). The combined Seriphos and magnesium in the morning seem to really help me ward off the horrible morning anxiety.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 06:36 PM

Correct, zepp. When your adrenals are doing such a good job of producing cortisol, the anxiety hormone, as they do in antidepressant withdrawal, if you stimulate them, you will get an unpleasant increase in anxiety or wakefulness.

Don't take adrenal support supplements, adrenal extract, adrenal tonics, or anything containing licorice.


ok thanks for the advice. Just lately the morning anxiety has been bothering me and this is unusual for me. This only happened the first couple weeks of my fast taper and went away. Honestly, my adrenals just seem out of whack period and I want to reach for an adrenal support supplement because I have read some positive things about supporting the adrenal glands. Likewise, I read that adrenal dysfunction could be a cause of mental health problems so perhaps one day i can get them checked out. For now I will hold out and see what happens.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:17 PM

Anyone know ways to reduce cortisol levels? Rx or naturally? I just tested positive for high cortisol levels in the a.m. I wake up with a panic in the morning--it is not my mind but those darn adrenals. Am seeing the doctor on Sunday and will appreciate any suggestions. :blink: :b
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:36 PM

Hi Elizabeth. I used to have this, but don't anymore. I had no idea it was related to something biological. I just thought I was paranoid. I just looked online and see this at Women's Health - 6 Tips To Reduce Cortisol

5. Take anti-stress supplements like B vitamins, minerals like calcium, magnesium, chromium and zinc, and antioxidants like vitamin C, alpha lipoic acid, grape seed extract, and Co Q 10. Adaptogen herbs like ginseng, astragalus, eleuthero, schizandra, rhodiola and ashwagandha help the body cope with the side effects of stress and rebalance the metabolism. These supplement and herbs will not only lower cortisol levels but they will also help you decrease the effects of stress on the body by boosting the immune system.

But of course, remember to start out new supplements slow in case it aggravates your CNS.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:51 PM

Hello Elizabeth, Their are some folks who have achieved calming effect with supplements. I don't know much about the lab tests for cortisol or interventions that will affect lab values. I've never tested my cortisol. What sort of test did you use? I have achieved anxiety reduction with exercise, specifically walking -- gently and briskly -- outdoors. I live in a sunny climate, nd right now the weather is amazing. I also have had relative degrees of success, t varying times, with ginger tea, niacinamide, l'theanine... Of course, I recommend caution in the use of supplements if you have symptoms of sensitivity. Finally, magnesium is famous for its calming propensities. I find that mag citrate agrees best with me, but take much smaller doses than the bottle recommends. I'm coming off bad period triggered by an adverse reaction to over supplementation, so I hope you take precautions if you think you're likely to react. Good luck, Alex Ps ... I'd use the search feature as each of the supplements mentioned should have its own dedicated thread. Additionally, there are multiple threads on cortisol, so searching 'cortisol' will also probably have decent yield

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:06 PM

Yes, this very question is discussed here http://survivinganti...ch__1#entry7349

An early morning cortisol spike is a problem for many of us. Also see Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems, scroll down to the sleep problems section.

elizabeth, the saliva tests for cortisol are of limited help. Usually they're done in connection with an expensive supplement program prescribed by a naturopathic practitioner. We don't recommend those expensive supplements; they are not appropriate for people whose nervous systems have been sensitized by withdrawal. Also see http://survivinganti...sist-withdrawal
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:08 PM

Hi Elizabeth, Have you read about blackout curtains to reduce the morning cortisol panics? There is a thread in this section - Early morning wakening with panic and anxiety. I had been doing the opposite - opening curtains to let sun IN. As soon as I blocked early light out, the abrupt awakenings eased. I never measured cortisol levels but my pulse was racing.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:58 PM

Barb, that's very interesting. And a testament to the hyper-reactivity of our nervous systems!

Glad blocking the early morning light worked so well for you. Could you add that to the Early-morning waking with panic or anxiety thread?
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 01:19 PM

Has anyone tried high doses of Seriphos to lower cortisol (~10 capsules a day)? I seem to be a very stubborn case, and I might try it. I have been off Celexa for 4 months, and i was doing well for a couple of weeks (with 4-6 capsules a day) but now my cortisol has shot up the past week. I did take almost a week off of Seriphos when I was feeling better so perhaps that allowed my levels to rise. To be honest though, I am not sure if it is doing anything. I'm sorry I haven't set up my introduction yet, life has just been so busy lately.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 02:39 PM

I havent tried it but am desperate as my AM anxiety is ramping up again and lasting several hours - I have a few decent hours at night although the 6pm hour has been weird with hot flash everyday awhile back and now more of an anger attack for lack of better descriptor - I wondered if it might be related to Sundowning that happens in dementia patients - I have a whole new respect for the Circadian rhythm -
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 03:03 PM

Does Cortisol ever return to normal after years on these drugs. From the majority of posts I've read, it seems so many people have this issue - costisol dumps - big time. Alto do you know anything about this. Are we permanently damaged.....I feel like I am. Hugs

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 03:31 PM

Has anyone tried high doses of Seriphos to lower cortisol (~10 capsules a day)? I seem to be a very stubborn case, and I might try it. I have been off Celexa for 4 months, and i was doing well for a couple of weeks (with 4-6 capsules a day) but now my cortisol has shot up the past week. I did take almost a week off of Seriphos when I was feeling better so perhaps that allowed my levels to rise. To be honest though, I am not sure if it is doing anything....

kerrip, I would not take ~10 capsules of Seriphos, or anything. Start with very low doses to begin with. Try perhaps one capsule a day for a week, then perhaps 2 capsules, morning and evening, for a week. Listen to your body. Don't do anything dramatic.

Does Cortisol ever return to normal after years on these drugs. From the majority of posts I've read, it seems so many people have this issue - costisol dumps - big time.

Alto do you know anything about this. Are we permanently damaged.....I feel like I am.

Yes, the nervous system and cortisol regulation very gradually return to normal. Do what you can to very gently help them.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:51 PM

I also take ashwagandha, which sometimes seems to help, although I'm not really certain.


Ashwaganda takes six weeks to six months to have an effect according to Stephen Harrad Buhner in his book, Herbal Antibiotics. He recommends it for immune system support, much like Siberian Ginseng, and it's less expensive. He says these are the actions of Ashwaganda (root): "immune tonic, stress-protective, antibacterial, diuretic, antipyretic, astringent, nerve sedative, alterative."

Please keep in mind that herbal remedies are usually not as strong as Big Pharma's pills - nor do they have, for the most part, serious side effects.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:58 PM

I took Phosphatidylserine (100 mg.) for the first time today and I'm feeling almost supernaturally calm, certainly no bad side effects as of yet. I took it about ten hours ago. I'm hopeful that it will have some longer-term effects such as getting rid of the residual morning Cortisol jolt.

Psychotropic drug history: Pristiq 50 mg. (mid-September 2010 through February 2011), Remeron (mid-September 2010 through January 2011), Lexapro 10 mg. (mid-February 2011 through mid-December 2011), Lorazepam (Ativan) 1 mg. as needed mid-September 2010 through early March 2012

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:56 PM

Does Cortisol ever return to normal after years on these drugs. From the majority of posts I've read, it seems so many people have this issue - costisol dumps - big time.

Alto do you know anything about this. Are we permanently damaged.....I feel like I am.

Hugs


I was on an antidepressant for sixteen months. Four months off of Lexapro, and my Cortisol level is normalizing, although it's still a bit high. Wearing a sleep mask and keeping it on until I feel ready to face the day has helped tremendously. If necessary, I wear sunglasses in the house and most definitely outside, even if it's a cloudy day.

That sense of hopelessness is, I think, a withdrawal symptom, especially since recovery takes so long and withdrawal also causes us to be very impatient. Since no one knows how much of the antidepressants or how long you've taken them relates to permanent damage - if any, it's probably better to assume that you will eventually get better even if it seems to be taking a long time.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:36 AM

I took Phosphatidylserine (100 mg.) for the first time today and I'm feeling almost supernaturally calm, certainly no bad side effects as of yet. I took it about ten hours ago. I'm hopeful that it will have some longer-term effects such as getting rid of the residual morning Cortisol jolt.


An update on this post:

I took a Phosphatidylserine cap at bedtime last night and did nor have any screwy dream memory upon awakening. I had also taken one after lunch yesterday and was able to take a nap. I had a dream while napping, but it was pleasant.

My lunchtime dose today has made me very sleepy, and here I am attending a webinar for CPE credit. (Two yawns!) I'm going to try changing this dosing schedule to taking one first thing in the morning when this sedative effect would be more welcome and another with dinner. The directions say it should be "preferably" taken with food, but it seems to work well without it.

Psychotropic drug history: Pristiq 50 mg. (mid-September 2010 through February 2011), Remeron (mid-September 2010 through January 2011), Lexapro 10 mg. (mid-February 2011 through mid-December 2011), Lorazepam (Ativan) 1 mg. as needed mid-September 2010 through early March 2012

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 12:04 PM

Don't know if this belongs here, but I feel like I am under unrelenting bombardment off hyperstress. I am struggling. Mornings are worst but it's pretty constant. Just never ending stress, it seems. By stress I mean fear/anxiety over active adrenal response... Same ol...

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 02:19 PM

Just call me Ms. AM Anxiety :rolleyes: Elisabeth I have been dealing with this for years.
I knew there was a saliva test.


5. Take anti-stress supplements like B vitamins, minerals like calcium, magnesium, chromium and zinc, and antioxidants like vitamin C, alpha lipoic acid, grape seed extract, and Co Q 10. Adaptogen herbs like ginseng, astragalus, eleuthero, schizandra, rhodiola and ashwagandha help the body cope with the side effects of stress and rebalance the metabolism. These supplement and herbs will not only lower cortisol levels but they will also help you decrease the effects of stress on the body by boosting the immune system.


When is the best time to take the caclium/magnesium? When I wake up to go to the bathroom which is a few hourse before the AM wake up, so they have a chance to work. Or is it something to take a few times a day?

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 11:28 AM

I'm not sure about the best time to take these, but I found this. Learn the Best Time of Day to Take Vitamins that says they should be taken at bedtime. Hope that helps.
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Posted 06 May 2012 - 11:40 AM

Just call me Ms. AM Anxiety :rolleyes: Elisabeth I have been dealing with this for years.
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5. Take anti-stress supplements like B vitamins, minerals like calcium, magnesium, chromium and zinc, and antioxidants like vitamin C, alpha lipoic acid, grape seed extract, and Co Q 10. Adaptogen herbs like ginseng, astragalus, eleuthero, schizandra, rhodiola and ashwagandha help the body cope with the side effects of stress and rebalance the metabolism. These supplement and herbs will not only lower cortisol levels but they will also help you decrease the effects of stress on the body by boosting the immune system.


When is the best time to take the caclium/magnesium? When I wake up to go to the bathroom which is a few hourse before the AM wake up, so they have a chance to work. Or is it something to take a few times a day?

Hey Nikki,

I have some experience with those supplements I can share.

Cal/Mg: I've read a lot of differing perspectives on how best to supplement both. My personal hunch, but not advice, is that supplemental magnesium is more likely needed and that cal and mag are better taken apart, if one is supplementing with both. I like mag chloride flake footbaths and also Mag Glycerine. Second to those, I like Mag Citrate. I avoid Mag Oxide. Also, I don't currently supplement calcium but I prefer Ca citrate and avoid Ca carbonate.

Ginseng and eleuthero, I find stimulating. These cause nerve pains and increased bp for me. I am planning to try ashwagandha and see how it goes. I will be trying it cautiously.

I have taken some chromium which helps with insulin resistance according to things i have read. Do you have issues there? Also I've found that how I eat at night plays a large role my level of morning anxiety. I eat protein snacks, mostly animal meat fairly regularly and avoid sweets late at night. If I have carbs, I also eat some coco oil and little protein with them.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 11:46 AM


5. Take anti-stress supplements like B vitamins, minerals like calcium, magnesium, chromium and zinc, and antioxidants like vitamin C, alpha lipoic acid, grape seed extract, and Co Q 10. Adaptogen herbs like ginseng, astragalus, eleuthero, schizandra, rhodiola and ashwagandha help the body cope with the side effects of stress and rebalance the metabolism. These supplement and herbs will not only lower cortisol levels but they will also help you decrease the effects of stress on the body by boosting the immune system.



That's an awful lot of stuff.

I reacted badly to B Vitamins during withdrawal and I'm still leery of taking the entire complex. I've taken calcium, magnesium, and Vitamin C for years with no noticeably different effects during withdrawal.

Some of those herbs are not a good idea. Astragalus is a stimulant and Ashwaganda contains nicotine, also a stimulant. I've been studying herbal medicine off and on for quite a few years and I've never even heard of the others listed. Also, here's a article I posted on supplements that interfere with prescription drugs:

http://survivinganti...ntidepressants/

Ginseng is one of them.

Herbal medicine is every bit as powerful as prescription drugs, so please be careful.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 11:54 AM

Thank you for sharing your expertise, Jemima. I also have a tough time handling the Bs. The good news is that my sensitives are improving. And this s good news because I am low in b12, serum levels having dropped another 200+ since mid-Feb. Last year, I could not tolerate b12 at all. It would cause swelling in the inner ear (or whatever) that caused horrible pain and sound amplification. It would do the same with my eyes and ability to tolerate light. I am able to tolerate about 1/4 dose of isolated b12 and found a weak Bcomplex pill that I am able to take. Are you familiar with phosphatidylserine?

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:40 PM

Are you familiar with phosphatidylserine?


Yes, I just started taking that about two weeks ago, one 100 mg. gelcap a day (after dinner because it tends to make me sleepy). It seems to have helped me focus better and stick to one task rather than getting distracted and doing random multitasking.

One thing I've noticed since feeling so much better is that magnesium really knocks me out. I had been taking a 133 mg. cap after lunch and dinner, but I'm moving that schedule to dinner and bedtime. I've been too drowsy to do anything physical since lunch today. YAWN.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 06:36 PM

Yay, magnesium.

Recently talked to a doctor who's studied withdrawal syndrome. He thinks L-glycine, an amino acid, might be helpful to reduce cortisol-induced hyperalerting.

He said L-glycine acts on the NDMA receptor and redirects glutamate from alerting to consolidating memories. (Don't ask me how this works, I have no idea.) Therefore, theoretically L-glycine may reduce glutamatergic hyperalerting.

(Coincidentally, I've been taking 250mg L-glycine at bedtime over the last month and sleeping better.)

L-glycine's cousin D-serine does this too. D-serine, as in phosphatidylserine.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:52 AM

Interesting. I've read a lot about phosphatidylserine but didnt know that about glycine.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:38 PM

I just started to take phosphitidylserine again today as going back through my journaling when I did take it for the few days I had better days and better sleeps. Do you think glycine would be activating? I tied taurine as I read that it could help anxiety and one dose I knew I could not tolerate it. I tolerate magnesium citrate alright.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:32 PM

From my experience, glycine does not seem to be activating. Try a fraction of a capsule first, it tends to come in 500mg capsules at the smallest dose.
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:35 PM

Merged our two cortisol-fighter topics.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 04:16 PM

The Wikipedia article on cortisol has these suggestions (go to the article to see the footnotes):

Factors generally reducing cortisol levels

  • Magnesium supplementation decreases serum cortisol levels after aerobic exercise,[69][70] but not after resistance training.[71]
  • Omega 3 fatty acids have a dose-dependent effect[72] in slightly reducing cortisol release influenced by mental stress,[73] suppressing the synthesis of interleukin-1 and -6 and enhancing the synthesis of interleukin-2; the former promotes higher CRH release. Omega 6 fatty acids, on the other hand, have an inverse effect on interleukin synthesis.[citation needed]
  • Music therapy can reduce cortisol levels in certain situations.[74]
  • Massage therapy can reduce cortisol.[75]
  • Laughing, and the experience of humour, can lower cortisol levels.[76]
  • Soy-derived phosphatidylserine interacts with cortisol; the correct dose, however, is unclear.[77][78]
  • Black tea may hasten recovery from a high-cortisol condition.[79][80]
  • Regular dancing has been shown to lead to significant decreases in salivary cortisol concentrations.[81]
Factors generally increasing cortisol levels
  • Caffeine may increase cortisol levels.[82]
  • Sleep deprivation[83]
  • Intense (high VO2 max) or prolonged physical exercise stimulates cortisol release to increase gluconeogenesis and maintain blood glucose.[84] Proper nutrition[85] and high-level conditioning[86] can help stabilize cortisol release.
  • The Val/Val variation of the BDNF gene in men, and the Val/Met variation in women, are associated with increased salivary cortisol in a stressful situation.[87]
  • Hypoestrogenism and melatonin supplementation increase cortisol levels in postmenopausal women.[88]
  • Burnout is associated with higher cortisol levels.[89]
  • Severe trauma or stressful events can elevate cortisol levels in the blood for prolonged periods.[90][91]
  • Subcutaneous adipose tissue regenerates cortisol from cortisone.[92]
  • Anorexia nervosa may be associated with increased cortisol levels.[93]
  • The serotonin receptor gene 5HTR2C is associated with increased cortisol production in men.[94]
  • Commuting increases cortisol levels relative to the length of the trip, its predictability and the amount of effort involved.[95]
  • Stimuli associated with sexual intercourse can increase cortisol levels in gilts (a young female pig that has not produced her first litter).[96]
  • Severe calorie restriction causes elevated baseline levels of cortisol.[97]


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