Reincarnation Anyone?

[tezza]

Hi basil,

 

Funny, I was thinking about that earlier today. Sometimes I think too much...LOL..

 

I know a couple that had a baby recently, he was born with a rare disease that causes his skin to get blisters all over. He was born into a sort of 'rough' family, if you know what I mean. I wondered if he was a terrible person in a past life.

 

I have always been tender hearted and tried to help people, then got taken advantage of. I can't be mean to people, I never could. Lately, I've had a few very mean thoughts, though! Not concerning anyone here, just someone I helped in a big way and was, ultimately, betrayed by. This person was doing me so wrong the whole time I was helping her. I gave her a home, bought everything she needed, even though it meant I had to sacrifice my own needs.

 

She was stealing from me and I've realized more and more things that she took, lately. I knew some things as it was going on. She was even stealing SOMAS outta my pill box. I finally started locking my bedroom door and she got ready to move out.

 

Thanks to me, however, she has a very good job. She has a very nice home, she has a great life! I used to think she was so sweet and could do no wrong. I don't wish anything bad on her but I can't help wondering...sigh...

 

I sure hope you and I get rewarded for having good hearts! It really doesn't seem fair! It does make me wonder if I was a bad person in a past life and that's why I'm going through so much hell now. Oh Lord, I don't want to ever do anything wrong again!

 

I'm still blessed, though. I'm not rich but I'm not really poor. I have a decent home and car, etc...I have plenty to eat and I can get my meds, I can't complain in those areas. It's just that I've never had many trustworthy friends.

 

I'm a super loyal person and I expect others to return that loyalty but it doesn't happen. I think I have SUCKER written on my forehead and back. Why do I always end up getting so hurt and betrayed?!?!?

 

Sorry for the rant, this was just one of the issues I've been struggling to let go of.

[basildev]

Trust me Tezza, you are DEFINITELY a good person and you deserve all the happiness and success in the world.

 

I don't think there'd be a person on this forum who wouldn't agree with me on this point.

 

As for the whole Karma thing - well, the theory is that we have ALL been 'bad' people throughout many lifetimes (I'm talking thousands upon thousands). We have all stolen, murdered, deceived. We have all been each others mothers, fathers siblings, pets, etc....over and over again. Each time something good happens to us we are reaping the rewards of our past karma. Likewise, each time we experience suffering we are burning karmic seeds of the past.

 

If you sat down with a Buddhist teacher and tried to unravel the knots of karma though, they would tell you 'don't even try - it's far too complicated!'

 

All you can do is what you're doing right now - live in accordance with your own values.

 

In any case my favourite saying is 'how other people treat me is their karma; how I react is mine'.

 

Your former friend, while she may seem to be happy on the surface, is truly struggling. Think about it; when you're truly happy, what do you want for other people? Nothing but happiness, that's what. Happy people don't lie for their own benefit or manipulate others. It's just not in their nature.

 

As for friends...well you have me, and I'm very loyal and trustworthy:)

 

xx

[tezza]

Thank you basil! I will hold onto you! I believe you because I can feel what you are saying.

 

Everything you said makes sense and I feel better about it, not that I want her to be unhappy. I don't wish unhappiness on anyone.

 

You definitely know a lot about this. I've just, in the last few years, begun to accept the fact that we have all been here before. I've always been a Bible believer but didn't realize that it's actually talked about in the Bible. Someone posted links to the scriptures in an earlier message.

 

I had already thought about those scriptures having this meaning. Others believe reincarnation is Biblical too.

 

I never thought I had been a murderer, thief or any of that but I suppose we have all been everything as you said.

 

I need to get some books and read up.

 

Thank you!

[basildev]

No worries!

 

I was raised Catholic but started to look to the Buddhist teachings only in the last 5 years. They help me enormously.

 

I think many religions are so swallowed up by dogma that we forget the true messages of all the great spiritual teachers of our time. It's only when we go back to the source that we see they've actually all got a lot in common!

 

Hugs to you my friend

 

xx

[basildev]

PS:

 

I've had a past life regression - it was fascinating!

[Nikki]

Basil/Tezza there is a CD by Dr. Brian Weiss which goes thru a guided regression session. I heard a small amount of it and I really liked it.

 

I don't know if I believe in reincarnation. It's fascinating. I am Catholic and I choose to believe that there is a Heaven and when we pass on we "all meet again." That gives me comfort.

 

When I have had to put down a dog, I always whisper that to them, "We will meet again" and someday I really want to see them again along with others.

 

Nikki

[basildev]

I'm not sure either Nikki.

 

But I definitely believe in Karma. I find it impossible to believe that there's nothing after this life.

[tezza]

None of us can say with certainty what happens to our spirit after death. We can only speculate. There are SOME truths among the different religions.

 

Nikki, I believe there is a Heaven, too. I believe in the Judgement, I believe in the Bible. The Bible has been translated many times and certain parts have been omitted, as Rhi stated earlier, in this thread.

 

I don't say anyone is right or that anyone is wrong, concerning this subject because we simply can't know for sure.

 

My thoughts: we may go to Heaven, stay for a time, but in Heaven, time cannot be measured - then it's possible our 'spirit' may be reborn into a new life. The Bible says that John the Baptist came in "the spirit and power of Elijah". There are other passages in the Bible that would lead me to think reincarnation is a real possibility. These are just 'my thoughts' and I'm not trying to persuade any to change their own thoughts.

 

I believe in karma, too; it goes along with the Bible - "Whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap". My daddy used to always say, "What goes around, comes around".

 

I definitely don't believe our spirit dies when our body dies. Neither do I believe our beloved pet's does either. Maybe after we have learned all we need to know or all we can humanly perceive, we get promoted and don't come back to an earthly realm, I don't know.

 

Nikki, I do know God is real and I believe in Him as the "Higher Power" too. We can't comprehend exactly who or what God is, except the Bible says He is a spirit. He is love and all good things come from Him. He cares for us and takes care of us.

 

We are not supposed to judge others because of things they do or things they believe. It's been said on this site MANY times, "Everyone is different", this applies all over the board. As I said, these are my thoughts.

 

God has given me so much love and compassion, in my heart, for others. I love people that I don't like, if you can understand what I mean.

 

Love and hugs to all!

[Petunia]

I know this is an old thread, but I stumbled onto it today and what Shanti wrote here gave another layer of meaning (for me) to this whole withdrawal experience. I have dream-like, shadowy memories of past lives, but of course it could just be my imagination. I'm not sure what I believe these days, but the fact that its a possibility and there is some logic in it.... well, I found it helpful.

 

 I actually don't want to come back, so I'm working on getting off the karma/ reincarnation cycle (Samsara). You eventually come to a point where you've balanced all your karma and you stop reincarnating on this plane. I'm not quite sure where you go from here, but I know it's better, as the Samsara is life-death-life-death.... and I'm tired of the death part, and the karma part. The only reason we even reincarnate is because of karma. So the trick is to balance the karma you've made in the past and stop making anymore. Then you won't have to come back. The ironic good news is that we've balanced a lot of karma going through this w/d hell.

 

 

I don't want to come back either, I feel like I've done this way too many times already.  If this withdrawal gets me closer to not having the eternal part of me (if that actually exists) having to go through any more human experiences here on this planet, then it makes it slightly easier to accept.

 

I'm trying really hard to go through this as gracefully as possible and not harm anyone else in the process.  It gets so difficult at times that I just don't want to be alive, its too much to endure, but on some level I know I'm here for a reason and if I end this life, in order to escape the painful experience, then I'm not only hurting other people and creating more karma, but I'm avoiding what I'm here for and so would probably have to come back again and start over, maybe something even worse next time. 

 

 

 

 

[Junior]

I must come back (pardon the pun) and read this thread properly.  I believe in reincarnation and have had a past-life regression.  I also find that it helps me to cope with this life. By that I mean my belief that we come here to learn certain lessons.  If we don't learn this time around we will have to come back.  I certainly hope I 'graduate' this time around.  With Honours! lol

[Earthworm]

I read many near-death experiences, and a lot of them mention reincarnation. Like in many cases of suicides, people are told they would have to come back to earth and relive all their trials and difficulties that led them to suicide all over again. I read one person mention that they were told during the NDE that they've killed themselves several times over and keep having to relive the same life.

 

That sounds kinda annoying to me. I dunno what to be believe about NDEs. I do believe people aren't lying about their experiences, but I do wonder what the heck the NDEs really are. They seem to be tailored to individual's religion sometimes, but other times not... conservative Christians might visit hell and be told this is where Michael Jackson is spending eternity, while atheists get to meet a loving God who tells them God loves everyone unconditionally and all is dandy.

[Junior]

I had a near-death experience.  I was only 10 years old.  My appendix ruptured while I was on the operating table.

 

I still don't fully understand what happened to me but I know it was real.  I do know that I was guided towards coming back - I didn't want to - because I had things to do. I also knew it was going to be hard and I often think of that when times get tough.

 

In case anyone is interested, this is what I experienced:

I was in recovery and felt very heavy and tired.  They kept making me lift body parts when all I wanted to do was go to sleep.  Eventually I did. When I look back and view it through the eyes of an adult, I think I was floating near the ceiling in a corner of the room.  I don't recall looking down.  Then I wasn't anywhere really.  It was just grey and ...  nothing.  I felt an incredible sense of freedom and knew I was not in my body. Yet "I" was still 'me'. Existing as an energy. I then felt drawn towards something and I found myself travelling very quickly.  That could have been the famous tunnel and the light.  I don't know.  I have always believed that I saw and understood a lot more than I'm allowed to remember.  My next memory was of being counselled by two 'men' in white robes.  I now think of them as my guides.  Eventually I agreed that I had to come back.  Next thing I knew I was hovering near the ceiling in the ward where my body had been moved to.  i woke up and was in my body ....

 

My spiritual beliefs have changed a few times over the course of my life but this is one I hold to.  I don't fully understand it and the context is one that seems to fit best within the concept of reincarnation.  But I know it was real.

[tezza]

I agree with Shanti's explanation too, Petu, and I also understand what you're saying. I'd like to go to the 'next plane' or wherever we 'graduate' to.

 

I can't focus well enough to read these days but I read the book, "Many Mansions" by Edgar Cayce, some time ago. It's a VERY good book and I'd recommend it to anyone.

 

Love and well wishes to ALL!

[tezza]

I must be 'balancing' a LOT of karma. Someone on here once said that they believed whatever we don't conquer in this lifetime we have to come back and do it over again, if I remember that right. I'm very depressed and life is not appealing to me at all. I don't want to end this life only to have to re-live the hell my life seems to have become.

 

I'm physically unable to do a lot, which adds to the depression very much, making me feel almost worthless. I've ALWAYS tried to do the 'right thing' and seem to do or say the wrong things most of the time. I feel like I'm the most hated person in the world and don't understand why, what could I have done to live my final days like this....

 

I've married the same man three times and every time was because of insecurity or need. More out of insecurity the first time and more out of needs the second two times. Financial needs mainly. He'd told me from the beginning (first marriage) I couldn't make it on my own and made sure I couldnt. While divorced he'd take me places I couldn't afford or buy gifts I couldn't afford. I'd make it as long as I could then I'd end up begging him to come back, to marry me again just so I could survive.

 

I've read that souls tend to re-connect in future lives in some way so I guess if that's true he will be in the future. I don't know how to end the cycle of being 'tied' to his soul because I still DEPEND on him for just about everything. When I first began to consider reincarnation I didn't think it was too bad but now it seems very cruel. I tried SO HARD to make it on my own and hate myself for letting his words be true.

 

He even told me I'd end up having a nervous breakdown "just like my mother". I did, and more than once but was only hospitalized once because the other times it occurred I just suffered thru until somehow I'd get past it and be able to pretend I was okay. I've never really been "okay" and now I blame myself for the problems my children have. If I'd gotten help when I was very young maybe their lives wouldn't be so dysfunctional. So I can't help but wonder what karma I've created for any future lives.

[cymbaltawithdrawal5600]

I can feel the misery in your voice and I feel deeply for you Tezza.

 

One thing I am not sure you may have considered is that the whole notion of 'reincarnation' is a man-made construct and even if it IS actually the way of the world and the gospel TRUTH, it is far more complex and far-reaching than just one or 2 lifetimes (or 3 marriages). It is not even mentioned in the bible for very good reason (but that is straying into theology and history and deeper subjects). I think you are torturing yourself unnecessarily with this and it is not helpful to your mental well being. Believing in some stuff is not always good for completing the lessons we have set out for ourselves in this ONE lifetime. Far better to concentrate on living well and with kindness and compassion than to worry about 'karma'.

 

Is there any other way you can begin to look at this where it is not so harmful to you? I can think of many ways but it would do no good to tell you what I see for you must discover your own truths.

 

I have really missed you and was so pleased to see a note from you, even one as 'down' as this. The fact that you are exploring this says a lot for you and nothing much good about your partner. But then, we, as second hand observers, don't know the whole story. Nor do we need to for us to love you just as you are.

 

Be well, sweetie!

[tezza]

Thank you, CW... I am just very depressed and can't seem to crawl out of the deep dark place I am in. As for my partner, he is hard to understand or get to know. He can be nice or at least seem nice, I'm not sure. He is the nicest when I'm at my lowest. He can also be very mean. Thing is, he is the only 'family' I've had since the children grew up. He made me depend on him from our first marriage when I was barely 16 years old.

 

By that I mean he wouldn't allow me to finish school or get a job. I was given his check to pay bills and get groceries, then give him the remaining money back. I had to account for every penny that wasn't returned to him. It didn't bother me, it was just the way it was. When we got the second divorce, he came in one evening with a 'plan' he'd written down. All the money was his, all vehicles his but he'd let me use one, he knew I didn't go anywhere much anyway.

 

I wish this life was over, I really am miserable even though for the most part we exist without a lot of turmoil. We just don't communicate much. I feel so alone and very hopeless. Every time I've tried to be positive, something awful will happen immediately.

 

I've been reading about reincarnation off and on for a while. I do think it's a real possibility. I believe it was taught in the early 'church' but several books were omitted from the Bible and from translations. I don't even know exactly what I believe anymore. I've read that depression is anger turned inward so I must be very angry with myselfs.

 

I try to be kindhearted and so on and so forth because I know what goes around comes around. I've always loved helping others any way I could so I don't understand what I'm 'paying' for unless it is from a previous life. Of course I've made mistakes and bad choices in this life when I wasn't exactly myself but thought I had done more good deeds than bad.

 

Anyway, thank you for your kind words, you are all very special to me.

[mammaP]

Dear Tezza, you are not being punished for anything. You are being controlled and that is not your fault. You are a lovely, kind person and don't deserve any of this. 

You are very well thought of here and those of us who have known you for years are very fond of you,  

Keep coming here and talk to us, we are here for you. 

 

((( Huge squishy Mamma hugs )))

[tezza]

Thank you mP,

 

I love you ALL very much, just as if I know you personally, though we've never actually met. I've been controlled so long that I don't know any other way.

 

Thank you for the squishy hugs and many {{{{hugs}}}} back to you!