Administrator Altostrata Posted June 17, 2012 Administrator Share Posted June 17, 2012 Can overmedication lead to paradoxical reactions? Another paper by Jim Phelps, a clinician who observes and learns from patients. Also see Phelps 2011 Tapering antidepressants: Is 3 months slow enough? and Clinicians share information about slow tapering Medical Hypotheses - 14 June 2012 (10.1016/j.mehy.2012.05.029) Treating anxiety by discontinuing antidepressants: A case series James Phelps, Vania Manipod Samaritan Mental Health, Corvallis, OR, USA Abstract at http://www.medical-hypotheses.com/article/S0306-9877%2812%2900252-6/abstract When a patient has symptoms of anxiety, while taking an antidepressant for depression, is it possible that the antidepressant is part of the problem? Can antidepressants cause anxiety? If this were so, even if relatively rare, it would have widespread implications because of the broad use of antidepressants. However, antidepressants are widely used as a treatment for anxiety. Therefore, unless suggestive evidence were to emerge to implicate them as a potential exacerbating factor, broad use of antidepressants would likely continue for patients whose depression has improved but whose anxiety has not responded, or worsened. In that context we present 12 patients whose anxiety diminished substantially when antidepressants were tapered off, as reflected in Clinical Global Improvement Scale scores assigned by their respective clinicians. Mean duration of antidepressant taper was 17 weeks (range 0–48), as suggested by limited prior evidence supporting very slow taper rates for this purpose. Alternative treatments for depression were often used for these patients as antidepressants were tapered, particularly lithium and lamotrigine, but none of the alternatives used are generally regarded as having anti-anxiety effects. Patients with bipolar disorder diagnoses, including schizoaffective disorder, were specifically excluded. In many of these cases, other medications that might have anti-anxiety effects (including buspirone, quetiapine, olanzapine, gabapentin, and diphenhydramine) were also tapered off. Results suggest that antidepressants may actually cause anxiety in some patients with unipolar depression. Alternatively, lamotrigine or lithium may have more anti-anxiety effects than generally recognized; or these patients may have had subtle bipolar disorder despite the absence of symptoms meeting formal criteria, supporting the “bipolar spectrum” perspective on mood disorder diagnosis. This study is limited by the outcome measure used, which assesses anxiety only indirectly in the context of global improvement. However, in view of the broad implications of the findings, these preliminary observations warrant further consideration. Some patients with anxiety may be treatable not by adding medications, but rather by tapering off existing ones. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CymbaltaDrone Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 This was true for me. I developed anxiety while on Cymbalta. It worsened when the dose increased and resolved completely within 6 mths after tapering off the drug. CymbaltaDrone (almost) drug free since mid August 2011 Cymbalta 3 yrs in combo with Wellbutrin 2yrs, Seroquel "as needed" Zoloft prescribed a couple of times during teens You are your own best - and possibly only - health advocate. Nobody cares as much about your health and wellbeing as you do, no matter what they may tell you. You cannot sit back and just "trust" the experts, who may well not care about your health at all. Psychiatry is a horrific fraud being perpetuated on our civilisation. One day, I'm sure it will be exposed. Until then, we've got to share our stories and help each other as we are able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 WOW that is an eye-opener. I think the Celexa (at this dose) is contributing if not causing anxiety. CymbaltaDrone that is amazing. Nikki Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/ Paxil 1997-2004 Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries Lexapro 40mgs Lexapro taper (2years) Imipramine Imipramine and Celexa Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each 45mgs. Serzone 50mgs. Imipramine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarannamated Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Yes, SS/NRIs cause anxiety, as well as agitation and akathisia. These adverse reactions are too often interpreted not as side effects, but as a new diagnosis: "Results suggest that antidepressants may actually cause anxiety in some patients with unipolar depression. Alternatively, lamotrigine or lithium may have more anti-anxiety effects than generally recognized; or these patients may have had subtle bipolar disorder despite the absence of symptoms meeting formal criteria, supporting the 'bipolar spectrum' perspective on mood disorder diagnosis." Pristiq tapered over 8 months ending Spring 2011 after 18 years of polydrugging that began w/Zoloft for fatigue/general malaise (not mood). CURRENT: 1mg Klonopin qhs (SSRI bruxism), 75mg trazodone qhs, various hormonesLitigation for 11 years for Work-related injury, settled 2004. Involuntary medical retirement in 2001 (age 39). 2012 - brain MRI showing diffuse, chronic cerebrovascular damage/demyelination possibly vasculitis/cerebritis. Dx w/autoimmune polyendocrine failure.<p>2013 - Dx w/CNS Sjogren's Lupus (FANA antibodies first appeared in 1997 but missed by doc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 25, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted June 25, 2012 I've had quite a bit of back-and-forth with Dr. Phelps about that. As you all know, I disagree vehemently that antidepressant adverse effects are the same as bipolar disorder. We know lamotrigine is a possibility to treat withdrawal syndrome because it makes the nervous system less reactive via glutamatergic transmission. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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