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#1 Altostrata

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:44 PM

ADMIN NOTE This topic is a general discussion of how to make a liquid from drugs. For case-by-case consideration of what YOU should do, please put your questions in an Introductions topic.
 
Do not put those questions in this topic, because such detailed discussion will take it off track and make this topic difficult for others to follow. The moderators will move any questions about YOUR particular case to the Introductions forum. Thank you.
 
For those interested in reviewing pharmacy techniques for making liquid suspensions, see:

 

Pharmlabs Suspensions

 

Suspensions

 

Liquid Dosage Forms Extemporaneously Prepared from Commercially Available Products – Considering New Evidence on Stability- PDF

 

 

Also see
Important topics in the Tapering forum -- find the topic in this list about tapering your specific drug

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?
Using an oral syringe and other tapering techniques
From Current Psychiatry: Tablets that may be split or crushed...
How to cut up tablets or pills
Using a digital scale to measure doses
Making a Celexa solution yourself
 
 
Haywood, 2013 Liquid dosage forms extemporaneously prepared from commercially available products - considering new evidence on stability. (refers to suspensions made with pharmacy liquids)
Liquid medications -- use past expiration?
 
 
 
A liquid preparation of an antidepressant or other psychiatric drug makes controlled tapering much easier. Taking part of your dosage in tablet form and part in liquid form makes the transition from tablet to liquid go smoothly.
 
Some psychiatric drugs are available from the pharmacy as a liquid, many are not. Compounding pharmacies can make liquids from many medications. A prescription is required for both types of liquid.
 
(Some medications, however, cannot be made into a liquid. Extended-release drugs such as Effexor XR, Cymbalta, and Pristiq are protected by a coating that cannot be broken. To find tips for tapering your particular drug, see Important topics in the Tapering forum and FAQ .)

If a compounding pharmacy is not an option, many people make liquid preparations themselves.
 
(This list from a UK medical group confirms that many drugs can be made into liquids: http://stockportccg....Dysphagia.pdf )

Note: Most do-it-yourself liquids are suspensions -- particles of the drug float around in the liquid, and the mixture needs to be shaken for relatively equal distribution of the particles.
 
How to make a medication in tablet or capsule form into a liquid
 
As an overview, here is a video about making a liquid from a naltrexone tablet. Naltrexone is not a psychiatric drug, but the principles are the same:

 
(Refrigeration of the batch is not necessary while the tablets dissolve. Refrigerate the liquid afterwards, though.)
 
Below are general instructions for making your own liquid with water or pharmacy liquid.
 
Basically, you need
- the drug, as a tablet or powder from a capsule
- water or Pharmacy liquids to make suspensions
- a way to measure the amount of water or pharmacy liquid (oral syringe, pipette, measured container or graduated cylinder)
- a clean container with a cap in which to keep your liquid

Try to be very consistent with your method every time you make a batch of liquid -- do everything in the same order, with the same equipment.
 
Assemble your equipment
1. Obtain a way to measure the water or pharmacy liquid

  • A 10cc (10mL) or 20cc (20mL) oral syringe (as seen in the video) OR
  • A 100cc (100mL) medicine bottle from the pharmacy. These usually have markings showing 100cc or mL (ask for the cap with the hole in it, so you can fit the oral syringe in it to draw from the bottle). There should be no charge or a very small charge. OR
  • A graduated cylinder marked with ccs or mLs. Graduated cylinders are more exact than oral syringes or medicine bottles and best for large volumes of liquid)

2. A small clean transparent wide-mouthed jar with a water-tight top or an empty tinted plastic medicine container with a top.
 
3. If your medication is in tablet form, a pill cutter or crusher. (This is optional. You can cut a tablet with a knife and crush it, if necessary, with the back of a spoon.)
 
4. Depending on how much medication you wish to take, a .5mL, 1mL, 5mL, or 10mL oral syringe to take a measured amount of the drug.

How to mix the liquid
 
1. Prepare the drug.
 

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If you want to make your own liquid you may not need to crush the pill. I don't recommend it, because small amounts are lost as powder. First just try putting it in water and see if the pill dissolves on its own. It may take a little while, my one that's coated takes about ten minutes. If it doesn't dissolve in water then try to crush it directly in the container that you're going to be adding water to, so powder won't be lost.
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Alternatively, if your medication is in tablet form, you can

  • cut the tablet up into rough quarters with a pill cutter or knife
  • crush the tablet into powder using a pill crusher or mortar and pestle
  • cut it up and carefully crush it with the back of a spoon on a piece of waxed paper

If your medication is a powder in a capsule, carefully open the capsule above the container and pour the contents into the bottom of the container.

To open a capsule, grasp each end in your fingers and gently twist. The capsule should come apart in the middle. Do this over the open container, to catch the powder in the container.
 
2. Measure the water (or pharmacy liquid)

  • With an oral syringe: Draw room temperature (not hot, not cold) water into an oral syringe and convey it to the container. A 10mL (10cc) or 20mL (20cc) oral syringe is handy for this purpose.[br][br][br]

    For example, if you wish to make 30mL of a solution, fill the 10mL syringe 3 times with clean water and inject it into your container.
  • With a graduated cylinder: For example, if you wish to make 30mL of a solution, fill the graduated cylinder to the 30mL mark and pour it into the container.
  • With a 100cc (100mL) medicine bottle: Fill carefully to the 100cc or 100mL line. You'll have to bring the bottle up to your eye level to do this. Please note the measurements on these bottles are less exact than the graduated cylinder.

To mix, put the cap on the container, tightly, and shake it gently. You will be able to see particles swirling around in the water (some of the filler used in tablets and capsules is insoluble).
 
Wait until the tablet chunks are dissolved before taking a dose.
 
How much liquid should I use to make my suspension?
The only tricky thing about making a solution is creating and remembering the concentration: the ratio of drug to liquid.

The easiest concentration is 1:1 or 1mg medication in 1mL solution. Examples:

  • If you want to take 18mg Prozac, for example, you can mix 20mg with 20mL water and take 18mL, which contains 18mg Prozac.
  • You could put a 10mg Paxil tablet in 10mL water for a 1:1 dilution. There would be 1mg in 1mL and 0.1mg in 0.1mL. The 1:1 dilution would require a small 1mL oral syringe. To reduce 10% from 1.1mg, you would take 1mL. Another 10% reduction would be 0.9mL.
  • You may find a 1:1 dilution to be a little thick or grainy. For convenience, you may wish to make a higher dilution of a 10mg tablet in 20mg water for a 1:2 ratio. There would be 1mg in 2mL and 0.1mg in 0.2mL. If you made this liquid, your dose would be 2.2mL (1.1mg). To reduce by 10%, you would take 2mL (1mg).

For doses of hundreds of milligrams, you may want to make a higher concentration. Examples:

  • To taper from 100mg Lyrica to 90mg, you can mix 100mg Lyrica in 50mL water, making a 2:1 concentration, each 1mL containing 2mg Lyrica.
  • Or, you can mix 100mg Lyrica in 25mL water, making a 4:1 concentration, each 1mL containing 4mg Lyrica.

Keep a note of the concentration! Be sure make a note of your recipe ("100mg Lyrica in 50mL water") and dosage instructions to yourself: "Take 45mL for 90mg Lyrica."
 
What if my medication is "insoluble" in water?
About solubility or insolubility, our esteemed member Rhi, who has lab experience, has made many, many homemade liquids:


.... I just wanted to toss in my usual bit on the subject of making preparations for liquid tapering, which is: I personally don't worry about solubility.
 
None of the meds I'm tapering are actually soluble in water. But the pills dissolve into small enough particles that I can stir them up and keep them suspended in water while I measure them out, and that seems to work for me. I stir well before I measure, I stir a little while pipetting them up; I dissolve the pills in glass and pipette out of glass so that I can see visually how evenly everything is suspended, and that's good enough for me.
 
I use water as a medium because I like it that I can easily see for myself how evenly the little particles are suspended or if they seem to be settling out. Also because it's handy and cheap and I don't have to carry it with me if I travel.
 
Mostly I would just say, I don't think it really matters if the medication is soluble in whatever vehicle you're using, as long as it can be evenly distributed. What really matters is that it be evenly distributed and that your method be repeatable and consistent.

 
Measure your dose and take it
With a liquid, you use an oral syringe to take the dosage you wish.

  • Get your oral syringe ready.
  • Put the cap on the container and shake it gently. (You may see particles swirling around, this is normal.)
  • Using the oral syringe, draw from the middle of the liquid, not from the top -- there may be less drug there, it sinks to the bottom.
  • If your bottle cap has a hole in the top, draw the liquid from the bottle by following these instructions.
  • If this is still confusing, ask your pharmacist to show you how to use an oral syringe

Ex: If your liquid is a 1:1 concentration, containing 1mg in 1mL, and you want to take .5mg, you would take .5mL of the liquid. You can adjust the amount you take as you continue your taper. See Using an oral syringe and other tapering techniques

Also see http://survivinganti...dpost__p__50942
 
Refrigerate homemade liquids
Most homemade solutions may keep for at least a few days, refrigerated. Drugs tend to be degraded by heat and light, which is why pharmacy containers are tinted.
 
Refrigeration delays the growth of bacteria and mold in your homemade liquid, which was not made under sterile conditions.
 
To find tips for your particular drug
See Important topics in the Tapering forum and FAQ . (You can also Google your "medication soluble stability" to see how long yours will keep.)
 
For more information, consult a pharmacist.


Edited by Shep, 06 January 2017 - 03:56 PM.
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#2 Skyler

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 08:43 AM

Where do I buy these syringes. I see some on amazon. They don't say graduated though.

I'll PM you with local info. Most syringes are graduated, so you usually don't see this in the description. Those from compounding pharmacies are best as they are made for repeat dosing and the print does not smudge.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 06:25 AM

If only I'd had this information 10 years ago (sigh).


I know right. I feel for the people that had no help and information like this. Do you know if an oral dropper is as accurate as an oral syringe?

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 09:37 AM

A dropper is not likely to be as accurate as a syringe.

However, if it's all you can get, it's better than nothing.

If you're using a fairly concentrated liquid, accuracy is more important. If you're using a really dilute solution you can get away with less accurate measuring apparatus.

Also, Alto wanted me to mention something about the use of graduated cylinders.

I use graduated cylinders and pipettes for my own taper and measuring. (Pipettes are basically equivalent to syringes--just bigger.)

If the biggest syringe or pipette you have is 10 mL, and you want to measure out more than about 40 mL of water, it's better to use a graduated cylinder. (Otherwise you can do four or fewer pulls on the syringe)..

If you Google "graduated cylinder" or look on Amazon, you can see what a graduated cylinder looks like. It's tall and cylindrical with small markings all along its length for measuring. You may want to Google "beaker" too so you can see the difference and not get them confused.

Graduated cylinders are easily available via Amazon or other websites.

And before you use the cylinder, if you haven't used one before, read this: http://chemistry.abo...qt/meniscus.htm

To repeat, if you need to measure out more than about 40 mL and you don't have a syringe that large, you'll get the most consistent results using a graduated cylinder. (If you do more than about four pulls with your syringe, you're going to be introducing a lot of random error into your total measurement, enough that it could affect your dosing.)

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Now tapering, ironically (but not surprisingly) healthier and more functional than I ever was during the years on the "meds," even with withdrawal (usually fairly mild at this slow pace).

 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 14 2011:   86 mg Neurontin   144 Lamictal,    5.5 Celexa   0.42 Xanax      1.9 mg Valium

Feb 16 2012:   10 mg Neurontin   115 Lamictal     3.7 Celexa   0.285 Xanax     2.0 Valium

Feb 22 2013:   86 Lamictal    2.05 Celexa       0.23 Xanax      1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

Now:                43                    0.625                 0.0775            1.3

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 09:47 AM

Thanks Rhi, again :) I was wondering why the graduated cylinder was more precise in measuring than a regular measuring cup. That article helped, as it does stand to reason now that the wider the cup, the more accuracy is lost due to the "meniscus" issue. Good information. I went ahead and accepted the graduated cylinder I bought at Amazon. I got a plastic one and it was only about $7. I need the syringe for pulling out my reduction amount. After my failed attempts at sloppy tapers with the Xanax, I want to be precise and get it right now.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 06:08 PM

I was on a powered capsule benzo and it tended to dump too quickly for me to get an adequate removal. I went to see a compounding pharmacist who made up a suspension agent to mix my capsule with. I shook the powder and agent together in a closed jar. The powder was distributed more equally and stayed suspended in the mixture. I got a much more accurate removal each time. I was able to keep the mixed portion in the refrigerator to reuse for 4-5 days. The suspension agent was about $ 10.00 (about one pint) which I was able to use in new mixtures over a few weeks. I measured the amount of suspension agent I needed for calculated titration into the calibrated tubes. It was like being a chemist but it worked for me.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 06:36 PM

Thanks for that excellent suggestion, Aria -- rather than water, get a liquid from a compounding pharmacy to mix with your medication.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:48 AM

Precision Versus Accuracy:

When tapering, precision is more important than accuracy.

For this sentence to make sense you need to know the difference between "precision" and "accuracy." It's not a distinction commonly made in everyday speech.

Accuracy is how correct a measurement is. If you measure using a certain container or syringe, is the amount you measure really correct? You could have a container that's off, that says it holds 10 mL when it really only holds 9.5 mL, or says it holds 2 cups when if carefully checked it actually holds two and an eighth cups. If you measured using those, your amounts would not be accurate.

Precision is how close and how repeatable a measurement is. If you have a measuring device that says it measures 1.5 mL but when you use it you actually get 1.4 mL, it's not accurate, but it can still be precise. If when you use it five times you get, say, 1.41 mL, 1.4 mL, 1.415 mL, 1.39 mL, and 1.385 mL, that's pretty precise, even though it's not accurate. But if you get, say, 1.7 mL, 1.2 mL, 1.85 mL, 1.6 mL, and 1.1 mL, it's not only not accurate, it's also not precise.

This is the concept that's tricky. When I learned it there was a picture of a dartboard. Unfortunately I don't have that picture, so I'll describe it and hope that works.

Imagine a dartboard. It has the usual round target shape with the central circle that you're shooting for. Now imagine that someone has thrown five darts at it.

Case 1: The five darts are all in a tight cluster the middle at the target. That's accurate and precise.

Case 2: The five darts are kind of in a circle around the center of the target. That's accurate, but not precise.

Case 3: The five darts are all in a tight cluster but on some other part of the board, not at the center of the target. That's precise, but not accurate.

Case 4: The five darts are all over the place. That's neither precise nor accurate.

So how does this apply to tapering? Well, in tapering, what really matters is how closely you can control changes in your dose. It doesn't really matter so much if you're measuring exactly 1.5 mL, but whatever you ARE measuring it needs to be pretty much the same each time, not all over the place so you're getting really different doses each time.

So, for example, I don't think syringes are as accurate as pipettes, but I think they're just as precise, so for tapering purposes they're just fine.

A cooking measuring cup isn't as accurate as labware, and unfortunately it's not very precise either; 2 mL more or less isn't going to make much difference in a recipe, so you don't need to use graduated cylinders to make a pie.

An eyedropper or medicine dropper is probably fairly accurate, give or take, but it's not precise--very difficult to control the measurement so that it's really the same amount each time.

A plastic graduated cylinder that was made in China for science fair experiments is probably not going to be as accurate as quality labware, but as long as you use it the same way every time (measure with the meniscus in the same place every time) it's going to be just as precise.

The important thing with tapering is that the measurements need to be consistent and repeatable and done the same way every time, so you don't get big variations in dosage, and they need to be done using equipment that's designed to be precise.

Hope this makes sense! If it doesn't, don't worry about it. You'll be fine regardless. But I thought I'd explain it for people who are doing their own liquid tapers and might find these concepts helpful to play with.

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Now tapering, ironically (but not surprisingly) healthier and more functional than I ever was during the years on the "meds," even with withdrawal (usually fairly mild at this slow pace).

 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 14 2011:   86 mg Neurontin   144 Lamictal,    5.5 Celexa   0.42 Xanax      1.9 mg Valium

Feb 16 2012:   10 mg Neurontin   115 Lamictal     3.7 Celexa   0.285 Xanax     2.0 Valium

Feb 22 2013:   86 Lamictal    2.05 Celexa       0.23 Xanax      1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

Now:                43                    0.625                 0.0775            1.3

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 10:09 AM

Very good point, Rhi. Consistency in measurement, which often means using the same devices the same way each time you measure, is the key.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 04:27 PM

Hi

Please may I ask a question?

Use the oral syringe to measure room temperature (not hot, not cold) water and convey it to the container. A 10mL (10cc) oral syringe is handy for this purpose.

Why does the water have to be room temp?

Thanks

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valium, just over 75mg, tapering 0.1 a day, will keep this more udated, cos amounts going down

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:17 PM

Because the powder may not dissolve in cold water, and hot water might damage the chemicals.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 04:11 AM

Another way to look at it. It is ok if the measuring instrument that you are using is " precisely inaccurate " . IOW , as long as it is measuring "consistently wrong" you can be confident that you are taking the same dose. Precisely inaccurate is a much, much better way to understand the concept but consistently wrong may make more sense until you can wrap your head around what Rhi so eloquently explains.

I think the key here is that we all want to make sure that we are reducing our dose by as close to exactly the same amount each day so that we can eliminate second guessing like " I wonder if I have this symptom because I took a slightly different dose yesterday or the day before or the day before that " .


Consistency in measurement, which often means using the same devices the same way each time you measure, is the key.

Exactly. Or I should say. Precisely :P
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 04:18 AM

Another way to look at it. It is ok if the measuring instrument that you are using is " precisely inaccurate " . IOW , as long as it is measuring "consistently wrong" you can be confident that you are taking the same dose. Precisely inaccurate is a much, much better way to understand the concept but consistently wrong may make more sense until you can wrap your head around what Rhi so eloquently explains.

I think the key here is that we all want to make sure that we are reducing our dose by as close to exactly the same amount each day so that we can eliminate second guessing like " I wonder if I have this symptom because I took a slightly different dose yesterday or the day before or the day before that " .

Thanks areyouthere

There is no way that I can get accurate doses, or consistently wrong.
I crush my six pills in water and take out my doses with a 50ml syringe.
As the quetiapine is not fully soluble I would guesstimate that each dose varies by slightly different amounts.

There is no way I can get round this.

I shake the jar and quickly take the lid of and plunge my prepares syringe into the mixture as fast as I can, but can never be sure I am getting the equal doses.

What I am sure of is that I know I am getting my full 135mg a day.

I think, until someone comes up with something better, that is the best I can do where quetiapine is concerned as I don't have any level surfaces in my flat to use digi scales. I put a spirit leval (aka carpenters level) on the worktops and they are not level.

pregan taper 600mg down to 240mg, daily cuts since xmas

valium, just over 75mg, tapering 0.1 a day, will keep this more udated, cos amounts going down

i have borderline personality, chronic ptsd, and suspected adhd and substance misuse as a symptom, which i am addressing with help of medical staff, drugs agencies & mh sta


#14 Altostrata

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:18 PM

For an example of making your own liquid, see http://survivinganti...dpost__p__38643
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#15 ladybug

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:41 AM

What about the colored coating of the pills? Would you just mix this in the water as well?


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2006-2007:40-20mg
2009: 20mg to 14mg 2010: 14mg to 10.5mg 2011: 10.5 to 7.6mg  2012: 7.5 to 6.8mg

2013: 6.7-6.3mg 2014: 6.2mg-5.8mg 2015: 5.7 to 5.15mg

01/06/16:5.1mg

02/20/16: 5.0mg

05/28/16: 4.9mg

07/09/16: 4.8mg

09/02/16: 4.7mg

10/27/16: 4.6mg


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Posted 25 July 2013 - 07:37 AM

What drug are you referring to? Does it have a hard coating?
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 12:26 PM

What drug are you referring to? Does it have a hard coating?

I'm referring to brand name Paxil, which all have a soft colored coating.


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01/06/16:5.1mg

02/20/16: 5.0mg

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07/09/16: 4.8mg

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10/27/16: 4.6mg


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Posted 26 July 2013 - 09:28 AM

I would crush it, dissolve it well, and make sure to shake the suspension before drawing out a dose. Paxil is available in a liquid, which would be preferable.
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Posted 27 July 2013 - 03:47 PM

I would crush it, dissolve it well, and make sure to shake the suspension before drawing out a dose. Paxil is available in a liquid, which would be preferable.

I know, but it's insanely expensive if you are uninsured. Like $250 a bottle or something. I'm also scared of the switch, since some people do not tolerate the liquid Paxil well. I can't even tolerate generic Paxil so I always figured I would be one of those unlucky ones who wouldn't be able to tolerate the liquid Paxil. I'm just scared that my shaving and weighing is not giving me an accurate dose, and at these low doses that's so important.


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2013: 6.7-6.3mg 2014: 6.2mg-5.8mg 2015: 5.7 to 5.15mg

01/06/16:5.1mg

02/20/16: 5.0mg

05/28/16: 4.9mg

07/09/16: 4.8mg

09/02/16: 4.7mg

10/27/16: 4.6mg


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 12:41 PM

I have been experimenting today with effexor beads (brand rodomel). I dropped from 

4 beads to 3 on 2nd November, a reduction of 25% because there was no choice. The 

capsules are slow release and contain 400 beads. Who would think that just 1 bead

could lead to withdrawal symptoms? All was fine for around 4 weeks then the dreaded 

insomnia came. 

I decided to try and dissolve the beads for the rest of my  taper.

 

After 5 hours sitting in water they were still whole and floating on water.

 I took a fresh one and crushed it in a pill crusher then added a teaspoon of water.

The shell did not dissolve but went clear and floated on top of the water.

The powder seemed to settle on the bottom so I picked off the shell with tweezers.

I swirled the liquid around but couldn't see the powder in the liquid so I assume it dissolved

 I will be trying this when it's time for my next drop, 

Watch this space! 


Edited by mammaP, 09 January 2014 - 10:50 AM.
Corrections

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

See how to create a signature here http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/12364-please-put-your-withdrawal-history-in-your-signature/

 

Many drugs for many years, prescribed diazepam first 1973, took occasionally. 3 or 4 tricyclics  for short periods.

1993 had a breakdown leading to 10 years of drug experiments with all classes of psych drugs.

2002  effexor. 

Tapered by counting beads from March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

 

Also tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg -hold- Feb2016 46mg  March 8 2016 45 April 44mg  May 11  43mg June 14 42mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, pro biotic.

 

My story http://survivinganti...king-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 05:01 PM

The easiest concentration is 1:1 or 1mg medication in 1mL solution. If you want to take 18mg Prozac, for example, you can mix 20mg with 20mL water and take 18mL, which contains 18mg Prozac

 

Alto if I am taking 50mgs. Serzone what size syringe should I get and does this mean I would fill a syringe with 50mgs. or 50mL of water - crush a 50mg. tablet - mix and then withdraw 40mgs. to drop one mg.?

 

This stuff confuses the daylights out of me


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Imipramine

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Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each

45mgs. Serzone  50mgs. Imipramine


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 05:41 PM

Nikki, you explained it yourself.

 

If you make a 1:1 solution of 50mg in 50mL, you would take 45mL to accomplish a decrease of 5mg (10%).

 

It might be handier to make a solution of 50mg in 10mL (5:1). To decrease by 10%, or , you'd take 9mL.

 

Either way, it might be easiest to remove the decrement and throw it away, then drink the rest.

 

Please ask a pharmacist to help you decide on what oral syringe to use.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 09:14 AM

thank you....yes I did answer it myself but I made a typo meant to type 49 instead of 40...


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Imipramine

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Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each

45mgs. Serzone  50mgs. Imipramine


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 02:31 AM

It seems to the rule that you should not store your DIY liquid for more than 3-4 days.

 

Doesn`t that prove the fact that the liquid is losing it`s medical effect very fast? So even if make only 3 days worth of medicine, every dose is less effective that previous?

 

I`m noticing a pattern that I feel better when I take my 1st dose. Days 2 and 3 are downhill and things get a little better when I make a new patch. I can not be sure about this yet but I`m very scared to experiment any further.


08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.
Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg
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1/21/14 11mg

3/18/14 9,9mg

2/18/14 8mg

4/22/14 7,6mg

5/5/14 7,2mg

5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary.

8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary.

10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.
12/28/2014 Jump!


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Posted 08 February 2014 - 12:04 PM

It's possible it will degrade. Heat and light usually will accelerate this process. Keep homemade liquids refrigerated, preferably in a dark-colored container.


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Posted 08 February 2014 - 01:50 PM

I'd like to just add that if you switch from pill to liquid you likely should updose because your body will interpret it as a withdrawal. I could not stabilize on liquid and had to resort back to cutting/filing which is not as accurate unfortunately,
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Switched from Lexapro to Prozac early 2012
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Stopped meds CT Aug 2012
50 mg Lamictal Nov 2012
Ativan 0.5mg/PRN Dec 2012 (up to 2mg by May 2013)
Lunesta Jan-June 2013, CTed
Trazodone 100mg June 2013
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current:75mg Lamictal (raised to help with benzo withdrawal)
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#27 Altostrata

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 02:11 PM

ks, that is not always so. Many people switch to liquid without a problem. Others experience it as too strong because a liquid is absorbed faster.

It's an individual thing. Once you make the switch, give it some time -- it takes about 4 days for your system to register a change in dosage -- and then see if you need to adjust the dosage of the liquid.
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Posted 08 February 2014 - 02:16 PM

I updosed and after two weeks became more and more unstable. Now I am in a worse position than before if I had just stayed with dry cutting, I didn't say everyone would have to but it is likely you might. Just putting it out there since I didn't see anyone say it.
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Stopped meds CT Aug 2012
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Ativan 0.5mg/PRN Dec 2012 (up to 2mg by May 2013)
Lunesta Jan-June 2013, CTed
Trazodone 100mg June 2013
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#29 Altostrata

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 03:42 PM

There are always uncertainties when you make any changes in these drugs, which is another reason they are dangerous.
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Posted 08 February 2014 - 11:36 PM

It seems to the rule that you should not store your DIY liquid for more than 3-4 days.

 

Doesn`t that prove the fact that the liquid is losing it`s medical effect very fast? So even if make only 3 days worth of medicine, every dose is less effective that previous?

 

I`m noticing a pattern that I feel better when I take my 1st dose. Days 2 and 3 are downhill and things get a little better when I make a new patch. I can not be sure about this yet but I`m very scared to experiment any further.

 

Can you test this by just making it up fresh each day for a week or so, keeping a log of your symptoms, then experiment with two days at a time, then three?

 

As long as you don't make large changes abruptly, I encourage you to experiment and find out what works for you. All we have here are our own experiences, no real large-scale data, so the safest and best way is for everyone to become expert on herself or himself.


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Now tapering, ironically (but not surprisingly) healthier and more functional than I ever was during the years on the "meds," even with withdrawal (usually fairly mild at this slow pace).

 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 14 2011:   86 mg Neurontin   144 Lamictal,    5.5 Celexa   0.42 Xanax      1.9 mg Valium

Feb 16 2012:   10 mg Neurontin   115 Lamictal     3.7 Celexa   0.285 Xanax     2.0 Valium

Feb 22 2013:   86 Lamictal    2.05 Celexa       0.23 Xanax      1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

Now:                43                    0.625                 0.0775            1.3

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 02:04 AM

I will experiment once I`m more stable. Or maybe I should experiment in order to get more stable...

 

I think liquid is the only way to taper zoloft since it has got so short half life. 

 

Once again I feel better after taking a freshly made dose. This could still be psychosomatic.


08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.
Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg
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1/21/14 11mg

3/18/14 9,9mg

2/18/14 8mg

4/22/14 7,6mg

5/5/14 7,2mg

5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary.

8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary.

10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.
12/28/2014 Jump!


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 12:50 PM

Zoloft is available as a liquid in many parts of the world. Ask your pharmacist.
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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:14 AM

ks, that is not always so. Many people switch to liquid without a problem. Others experience it as too strong because a liquid is absorbed faster.

It's an individual thing. Once you make the switch, give it some time -- it takes about 4 days for your system to register a change in dosage -- and then see if you need to adjust the dosage of the liquid.

 

I have been wondering about the same thing. I suspect that the body absorbs the drug maybe differently, if it's swollowed in a capsule or drank in water solution? I'm thinking of going to prozac water solution soon, in order to make supersmall cuts. those seem to be better to me. 


in 2002- cipramil for half a year, ended it uneventfully. in 2006 - citalopram for half a year, ended in horrific state, ditched the drugs CT. 2006-2008 not feeling well but drug free. in 2008 prozac 20mg + quetiapine 25mg. 2009 tried to stop, ended up in hole after couple of months, started zoloft. 2009-2011 zoloft 50mg. went to 25mg in 2011 summer, it resulted in half a year horrible suffering. reinstated, changed drugs, nothing happened. by 2012 beginning suddenly felt great and CT meds. after 4 months came suddenly most horrible human suffering that's possible. started tapering slowly, GFCF diet and Hardy Nutritionals vitamins in 2013 summer. 

current medications: 1) fluoxetine and quetiapine since Aug 2012; 2) Daily Essential Nutrients by Hardy Nutritionals 10 capsules / since May 2013 + omega3; 3) Gluten-free-casein-free diet since june 2013; 4) free form amino acid complex 3 capsules 5) milk thistle 6) niacin 1500mg

25. april'13 fluoxetine 40mg -> 36mg (10%); 25. may'13 fluoxetine 36mg -> 32mg (1 month inbetween, 11%); 4. july'13 fluoxetine 32mg-> 28mg (5,5 weeks, 13%); 27. july'13 quetiapine 50 -> 45mg (10%); 15. aug'13 fluoxetine 28mg -> 24mg (6 weeks, 14%); 29. sept'13 quetiapine 45 -> 40mg (1,5 months, 11%); 14. oct'13 quetiapine 40mg -> 35mg (2 weeks, 13%); 16. oct'13 quetiapine 35mg -> 40mg; 17. oct'13 fluoxetine 24mg -> 22 mg (8%); 4. feb’14 fluoxetine 22mg -> 21mg (3,5 months hold inbetween, 5% cut); 21. feb'14 fluoxetine 21mg -> 20,5mg (2,5 weeks, 2,4% cut); 27 feb'14 fluoxetine 20,5mg -> 20mg (1 week, 2,4% cut); 30 mar'14 fluoxetine 20mg -> 19,5mg (4,5 weeks, 2,4% cut); 17 may'14 quetiapine 40mg -> 31mg (22% cut); 31 may'14 fluoxetine 19,5mg -> 17,56mg (9,9%); 13 july'14 quetiapine 31mg -> 25mg (19% cut); 19 july'14 quetiapine 25mg -> 18, 75mg (25% cut, 6 days); 28. july'14 quetiapine 18,75mg -> 22mg (-15%); 9. aug'14 fluoxetine 17,52mg -> 17,12mg (2,3% cut, 10 weeks, over 2 months); 19. aug'14 back to 17,52mg due to bad withdrawal symptoms; 20. oct'14 fluoxetine 17,52 -> 17,2mg (1,8% cut); 28. nov'14 fluoxetine 17,2 -> 15,6 (9,8%); 9. feb’15 fluoxetine 15,6 -> 14,4 (7,7%); 3. may’15 quetiapine 22mg -> 19mg (-14%); 27. may’15 fluoxetine 14,4mg -> 12,6mg (-12,5%, 1,8mg); 2. july’15 fluoxetine 12,6mg -> 10,6mg (15,9%, 2mg); 26. oct'15 fluoxetine 10,6mg - 9mg (15%, 1,6mg); 18. jan'16 quetiapine 18mg -> 15mg (17%); 16. mar'16 fluoxetine 9mg -> 7,4mg (18%); 22.may'16 fluoxetine 7,4mg -> 6mg (19%); 19.sept'16 quetiapine 12,5 -> 11,25 (10%); 26. sept'16 quetiapine 11,25 -> 10,25 (9%), 3 oct'16 quetiapine 10,25 -> 9,25 (10%); 10 oc'16 quetiapine 9,25-> 8,25mg (11%), 14 nov'16 quetiapine 8,25 -> 7,25 (12%); 9 Jan'17 fluoxetine 6mg -> 5,8mg (3%): 18 jan fluoxetine 5,8mg -> 5,6mg (3%); 6 feb fluoxetine 5,6mg -> 5,4mg (4%); 19 feb fluoxetine 5,4mg -> 5,2mg (4%); 5 mar fluox 5,2 -> 5,0 (4%). 

 


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 07:00 PM

Found this extensive article about stability of drugs in suspending agents like Ora Plus. It's a bit of a dense read but the basic take home message is that of the 60-something drugs reviewed only something like 8 are unstable in aqueous suspending medium. There's a list of those in the first paragraph.

Solution in water isn't quite the same as an aqueous suspending medium like Ora Plus, but for me it's close enough--if water was going to degrade the chemical it would do so in the Ora Plus as well.

However if you want to make your own, you can buy Ora Plus from Amazon and probably other places on the Internet.

http://www.ualberta....iew/MS_973.html

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease" as I was told. Long and tragic story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything.

 

Now tapering, ironically (but not surprisingly) healthier and more functional than I ever was during the years on the "meds," even with withdrawal (usually fairly mild at this slow pace).

 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 14 2011:   86 mg Neurontin   144 Lamictal,    5.5 Celexa   0.42 Xanax      1.9 mg Valium

Feb 16 2012:   10 mg Neurontin   115 Lamictal     3.7 Celexa   0.285 Xanax     2.0 Valium

Feb 22 2013:   86 Lamictal    2.05 Celexa       0.23 Xanax      1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

Now:                43                    0.625                 0.0775            1.3

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 07:19 PM

Thanks, Rhi!

 

Those drugs that you can't mix with a suspending agent:
 

captopril, hydralazine hydrochloride, isoniazid, levothyroxine sodium, phenoxybenzamine hydrochloride and tetracycline hydrochloride

 

....Interestingly, the instability in these formulations is primarily due to interactions between the drug substance and the excipients rather than degradation of the active pharmaceutical ingredient by standard routes such as oxidation, hydrolysis, photolysis or thermolysis. This low percentage however illustrates the low risk associated with these dosage forms investigated. It may be concluded that when considering the safety and efficacy of liquid dosage forms prepared extemporaneously, it is thus important to consider not only the stability of the drug substance but the entire formulation.

 


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#36 Abilifyneedhelp88

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 04:11 PM

Does anyone know if you can use oraplus with Remeron instead of using water as a mixing agent??


med exp since 1985- abilify, latuda, Seroquel, risperadol, zyprexa, Haldol. latuda, saphris, mellaril, thorazine, lithium, tegretol, Depakote, lamictal, Prozac, pamelor, wellbutrin, Ativan, klonipin, etc.

 currently only on remeron: 3/13/14-6/5/14- 15mg

6/20/14 -9.5mg < 0.75-1.5 per week

7/12/14-3.75mg

8/11/14- 0.6mg of Remeron (almost off)

8/16/14--last dose of remeron...now completely drug free....

11/21/14-- 95 DAYS DRUG FREE!!!!

 

I do not give out medical advice only personal experience.

dx: BPI, II, CKD, secondary hyperparathyroidism, Chronic pain, fibro,