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#37 Altostrata

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 05:08 PM

You can use Oraplus with Remeron if you wish.


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Posted 18 November 2014 - 11:33 AM

How long do the compounding pharmacys mix last?

The pharmacy will be able to tell you that. It will be their own compound, which varies depending on the pharmacy, so you'd have to ask them.


Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease" as I was told. Long and tragic story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything.

 

Now tapering, ironically (but not surprisingly) healthier and more functional than I ever was during the years on the "meds," even with withdrawal (usually fairly mild at this slow pace).

 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 14 2011:   86 mg Neurontin   144 Lamictal,    5.5 Celexa   0.42 Xanax      1.9 mg Valium

Feb 16 2012:   10 mg Neurontin   115 Lamictal     3.7 Celexa   0.285 Xanax     2.0 Valium

Feb 22 2013:   86 Lamictal    2.05 Celexa       0.23 Xanax      1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

Now:                43                    0.625                 0.0775            1.3

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.


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Posted 18 December 2014 - 04:50 PM

Question? If I'm using 15 mg tablets I would mix it with 15 ml of water and I would get 2 doses if I were taking it at 7.5 per dose. Is this correct?
Anyone know if remeron is dissolvable?
Thank you!
April 2014 remeron 45mg.
June 2014 abilify 2.5 remeron wasn't working so abilify was then added
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Posted 19 December 2014 - 02:49 PM

Correct. Please see the Tips for Tapering Remeron topic.


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Posted 16 January 2015 - 05:49 PM

I'm not sure I am posting this in the right place.

Since I am very senstive at the moment, when I make a switch to liquid to continue to taper, should I transition to liquid slowly?

For instance, I take my med in 6 doses, so I could switch one dose to liquid and then hold a few days, and then on and on until all doses are liquid?

I've heard of others doing this, but haven't seen it mentioned on this site. Maybe I am missing it.


That sounds like a good way to gradually change to liquid dosing. You might want to take part in liquid and part in tablets for a while.

Also, if I am using tabs, how long does it need to sit in the water to break down? And, I dose in the middle of the night, is the mixture ok left in a syringe by my bedside and not in the fridge for a couple of hours?


Try an experiment and see how long it takes your tablet to dissolve.

Yes, it's okay in a syringe for a couple of hours.
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Posted 17 January 2015 - 07:31 PM

Feel free to move this if it is not in the right place. I looked around and could not find any other place that looked more appropriate to post this question.

I will try to be as clear as possible.

In liquid tapers, the advice I have seen looks like this:
1)Make suspension
2)Pull % of liquid out that would equal your intended cut, throw it away
3)Pull doses for the day

It is easier for me to do it this way for some reason...
1)Make suspension
2)Pull doses for the day
3)Throw out excess liquid at the end of the day...this liquid is the % cut.


This way is ok...? There is a distinct possibility I am overthinking this, given my current mental state :(

I just don't want to make mistakes.

Again, please move this if it isn't in the right place.

Thx
2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor.....
5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses.

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Posted 19 January 2015 - 12:03 PM

Btw...

I just purchased graduated cylinders from a school supply store. I was trying to avoid ordering them, as I needed them sooner.

Just another option for people looking for supplies....
2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor.....
5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses.

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Posted 19 January 2015 - 12:39 PM

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In liquid tapers, the advice I have seen looks like this:
1)Make suspension
2)Pull % of liquid out that would equal your intended cut, throw it away
3)Pull doses for the day

It is easier for me to do it this way for some reason...
1)Make suspension
2)Pull doses for the day
3)Throw out excess liquid at the end of the day...this liquid is the % cut.

...

 

Yes, that's fine. It depends on which is more convenient.

 

Thanks for the tip about graduated cylinders.


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Posted 20 January 2015 - 04:43 PM

ks, that is not always so. Many people switch to liquid without a problem. Others experience it as too strong because a liquid is absorbed faster.

It's an individual thing. Once you make the switch, give it some time -- it takes about 4 days for your system to register a change in dosage -- and then see if you need to adjust the dosage of the liquid.


What do people do when they have problems with liquid?
2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor.....
5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses.

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 06:43 PM

They use a digital scale for weighing fragments or powders, or they have capsules compounded.


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Posted 20 January 2015 - 07:31 PM

They use a digital scale for weighing fragments or powders, or they have capsules compounded.


Can they compound capsules as small as I would need them for a taper off of .24mg dosed 6 times a day?
2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor.....
5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses.

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 07:33 PM

Yes, they can. You will need a doctor's prescription for compounded capsules.


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 08:46 PM

May I make a suggestion...? And, this surely may not be the case for everyone. But, I felt the need to share my experience, as it may help someone in the future avoid an unneeded bump in tapering.

If someone is having a paradoxical reaction to the drug they wish to taper, it may be best to stay on whatever form of the medication they have been taking if at all possible, and refrain from switching over to a liquid.

My reasoning is this, if you are experiencing a paradoxical reaction that is so troublesome that you need to taper, switching to a liquid could exacerbate the problem. It is absorbed much quicker I have found, and unlike capsules or tablets, the effects tend to hit all at once. In some cases, this can lead to an even more profound paradoxical reaction.

I experienced this. I understand tapering is very individual, and everyone is not as senstive as I have become. But, I wanted to put it out there, simply for consideration.

I'm not sure this is the correct place for posting this. :(
2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor.....
5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses.

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 08:51 PM

That's a very good point, JDM. Changing the form of a drug carries risks, too. Many people need dosage adjustment afterward. Dosage adjustment downward might be necessary if a paradoxical reaction is increased.


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 08:28 AM

Do you have a pill crusher?  Most chemists carry them, for people who cannot swallow pills, that might help get your pill more thoroughly crushed.

 

If I understand correctly, if you double the solvent (water), you will double the amount you take, in order to get your dose.

 

My calculator says that's 23.72 mil.  This does not mean that I know what I am talking about.

 

Could someone please advise..I just cannot work out the simplest of things at all right now. The only tablets I've been able to get hold off doesn't disolve very well..a lot is left stuck to the glass I use to mix the original solution and then the outside of the syringe. I'm thinking more water would be better. I disolve 50mg in tablet just now to 50ml water then take out 11.86. if I disolve it in 100ml what would I then take out? Wow, feel so daft.


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Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.

 

Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 08:31 AM

Hi there. I'm currently tapering off Lexapro. I managed to get the liquid, but I could only get a 20 mg/ml solution. Extremely inconvenient for tapering. I've made 2 reductions of 1 mg each in the past 12 weeks or so, I'm currently on 18 mg. I want to make progressively smaller reductions now though, so I'm just wondering if there is any way I could dilute the liquid Lexapro to get a less concentrated solution for tapering?
Many thanks, Alex.

 

Oh wow.  You want to suspend your supension!

 

It would depend on what it is suspended in?  I'm thinking it won't just be water - and that the Ora Plus product mentioned earlier in this thread (available from Amazon) may be the right kind of thing.

 

Great question.  I am out of my depth here, and a smarter, more experienced liquid tapering mod will be along soon to correct me or enhance what I have said here.


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Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.

 

Currently Lithium Orotate 1.67 mg only.  I will re-evaluate this supplement in 2017.

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 04:13 PM

Alex, see Tips for tapering off Lexapro (escitalopram), your question is answered there.


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Posted 18 April 2015 - 03:48 AM

So I'm having trouble with particles of zoloft sticking to the glass when I'm dissolving the original mixture. It only sticks at the waterline. I've tried un sticking with a spoon or disolving in half of the water and then using the rest to swill round the glass only to settle and stick immediately.

I cannot remember having this problem with this brand before..maybe they have added a film coating where there was not one before.

So my options are to keep doing this whilst worrying about the accuracy. Changing brand again to something without a film coating but this is tricky as the chemist does not always have this in. Going to liquid sertraline from the doc which I'm sure I had a bad reaction to or buying a scale and cutting measuring my dose. Which would also mean adjusting obviously with this change in how it is absorbed.

Unless anyone has any other ideas.

So nervous about the whole thing.
2000 - sertraline for job anxiety low confidence (17 years old) ..which turned the next 16 years into nightmare!

On/off sertraline severe withdrawals every time. 2014 - felt better as reduced dose of sertraline no more inner restlessness. Doctor rushed off again. Hit severe withdrawal. Lost the little I had in life. Couldn't get stable again on 12.5mg. Was switched to prozac. Had severe reaction to prozac..came off in November 2015 at 6mg as felt more confused and damaged on it..Even more withdrawal ..rage, depression, dyphoria, near constant suicidal ideation, self harm impulses, doom, concrete block in head, unable to do much of anything with this feeling in head..went back on 6mg of sertraline to see if would alleviate anything. It didn't..reduced from December to June 2016 came off at 2.5mg sertraline as was hospitalised for the severe rage, suicidal impulses, and put on 50mg lofepramine which in 2nd week reduced all symptoms but gave insomnia which still have..psych stopped lofepramine cold turkey..no increased withdrawal symptoms new symptoms from lofepramine except persistant insomnia which has as side effect.

Taking Ativan for 8 months for the severe rage self harm impulses 1-3 times a week (mostly 2 times a week) at .5mg. Two months (I'm unsure exactly when the interdose started to happen) ago interdose withdrawal seemed to happen..2 days I think after the Ativan.


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Posted 29 July 2015 - 11:09 PM

I'm currently dissolving my Citalopram into water to taper. I'm putting 20 MG into 120 ML of water and then I just take my other 20 MG tablet whole. I'm using a plastic syringe type thing (the ones you get from target/publix/wallmart at the pharmacy). I wait about 30 min for it to dissolve and then swish the jar before I extract. I'm up to 30 ML so I have to extract 3 times. I swish the water around each time before.

 

I always extract from the middle of the jar, but can't seem to consistently get the same amount out each time. After each one I look to see how diluted the water looks in the syringe and sometimes it looks more full of medicine than others. I can't figure it out. 

 

I've been having a really hard time even when tapering less than 5% every 2-3 weeks. Since I have to taper as little as 5% at a time I can't do dry cuts, so this method seems to be my only option. 

 

Any ideas? I've been falling asleep between 5-9 am a lot lately and it's lasted over 2 weeks now and it's been 3 weeks since my last reduction. 

 

 


2009 - 10/2014: 40MG Citalopram

10/2014: Started taper by liquid titration by about 5% every few weeks (1000 times harder than Benzo taper)

1/26/17: 3.5 MGs

 

2009 - 10/2012: 2 MG of Klonopin 

10/2012: Hit tolerance and began taper

12/2013: Finished liquid titration taper (less than 10% every few weeks)

Experienced protracted withdrawal and was about 80% healed by 10/14 when I started my citalopram taper. 


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Posted 30 July 2015 - 11:09 AM

You could get a prescription for liquid citalopram or have it made by a compounding phamacy. Or, you may wish to use a pharmacy liquid instead of water. see the early posts in this topic.

 

120mL of water is quite a bit of water. Did you find the tablet would not dissolve in any less?

 

How are you measuring the water?


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 01:21 AM

You know, I got a smaller jar and it makes it 100 times easier to be precise. I used 120 ML to make it dilute it more so the taper is easier. I measure the water with a graduated cylinder. I'm using the same exact method as I did for my Klonopin taper, which worked smoothly. 

 

I don't get this. It's been over 3 weeks since my last 5% taper. I up-dosed a week ago. Still, my sleep is so out of wack. Before the past month I was falling asleep around 3. Not it's moved to anywhere from 5-7 am. I feel tired, but don't at the same time. It gets better for a few days and I can fall asleep at a reasonable time, but then goes right back. It's really getting to me. I'm really ******* annoyed and just don't understand. In the past I have felt like this for a week max after a taper and then it's gone back to normal and stayed, but this just doesn't seem to follow any sort of pattern and I have no control. It just seems like I have a few years ahead of me before I am close to normal from this. 

 

Does this happen to other people? Could it be that sometimes it just takes extra long for the chemicles in the brain to balance? 


2009 - 10/2014: 40MG Citalopram

10/2014: Started taper by liquid titration by about 5% every few weeks (1000 times harder than Benzo taper)

1/26/17: 3.5 MGs

 

2009 - 10/2012: 2 MG of Klonopin 

10/2012: Hit tolerance and began taper

12/2013: Finished liquid titration taper (less than 10% every few weeks)

Experienced protracted withdrawal and was about 80% healed by 10/14 when I started my citalopram taper. 


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 02:15 AM

One thing that I actually transitioned to, which might make a difference, is before I was putting the full 40 mg into the liquid titration. Now I only put 20 mg in and take the other 20 mg. I did the math to make sure I maintained the same taper, but I wonder if it can be harmful to take liquid and a regular pill at the same time. 


2009 - 10/2014: 40MG Citalopram

10/2014: Started taper by liquid titration by about 5% every few weeks (1000 times harder than Benzo taper)

1/26/17: 3.5 MGs

 

2009 - 10/2012: 2 MG of Klonopin 

10/2012: Hit tolerance and began taper

12/2013: Finished liquid titration taper (less than 10% every few weeks)

Experienced protracted withdrawal and was about 80% healed by 10/14 when I started my citalopram taper. 


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 10:42 AM

One thing that I actually transitioned to, which might make a difference, is before I was putting the full 40 mg into the liquid titration. Now I only put 20 mg in and take the other 20 mg. I did the math to make sure I maintained the same taper, but I wonder if it can be harmful to take liquid and a regular pill at the same time. 

 

JP904, there is no harm in taking part of your dose as a tablet and part as a liquid.

 

MrDenton, please read this topic from the beginning.

 

Some sediment is normal when making your own liquid with water.

 

Cutting up the tablet may help it dissolve faster.


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Posted 30 September 2015 - 11:07 AM

The syringes will always be in the liquid measure of milliliters. You need to make the conversion to milligrams yourself.

 

If you're not getting the math -- it involves proportions of milligrams of drug to milliliters of water -- you will need someone to help you with it.


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Posted 10 December 2015 - 10:33 AM

hello I have a question, I like the water titration but am unsure about the residue on the side of the container, for example if I'm tapering Nortriptylene which is water soluble from 10mg to 9mg I use the 1:1 mixture and draw out 1ml and pour out the remaining 9 ml, i'm using glass and there is usually residue left do I add water swish it around and drink the residue? thanks

 

You are removing 1mL and drinking 9mL? How are you feeling using your current method? If you are feeling okay, be consistent and don't worry about the residue (it may be filler or the coating from the tablet).

 

I have the same question for Paxil .

Lots of residue in the small jar .

I was at 30mg - last October , I dried cut 3 mg to get 27mg  ( 10% )

Switched to water solution on Dec 6th : 30mg in 10 ml of water , I take 7.5 ml ( down to 22,5 ml - additional 10% )

Maybe some of the medication is lost on the walls of the jar....Been having real vivid dreams

Would a higher dilution help ?

 

You may find it more convenient to take part of your dosage in tablet form (20mg) and the rest in liquid, tapering the liquid part. See Tips for tapering off Paxil (paroxetine)


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#62 Satch

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 08:54 PM

Getting ready to start a taper off of Seroquel and Remeron.  When I tried in the past the transition to liquid caused a bad uptick in wd,  just wondering if there are any benefits to either method.

 

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Klonopin 2mg 2000-2005 Tapered off without bad symptoms

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#63 KarenB

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 12:48 PM

The transition can cause a bit of a hick-up.  One benefit of the liquid is that it's more accurate.  There's good discussion in these two links, as well as instructions on how to do it:

 

http://survivinganti...ts-or-capsules/

 

http://survivinganti...ing-techniques/


2010 May Fluoxetine 20mg. Raging mostly stops, become more functional.
2011 February Escitalopram 10mg (sudden switch). 2012 January Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Early June Feeling great, decide to taper. Doc advises alternate days 20mg/10mg for 4 weeks.  Late June Steady. Drop to 10mg daily. Early July Not coping, raging, flu symptoms, shaky, anxious, low, spaced-out, self-destructive.  Mid July Return to alternate days 20mg/10mg - minimal improvement. Early August Return to full dose 20mg. Lost.
2014 February Switch to Venlafaxine. (First reduced Esc. to 10mg/day for a week) Feb-April Lost, 'light' self-harm, exhausted.
April Increase Ven. to 150mg/day. Dizzy. July 75mg twice a day to improve dizziness. Deep depression remains.  2015 Feb Vigilant dose spacing partially eases dizziness. Mar Switch to Effexor 75mg 2x/day. May Cut 10% to 135mg - bad w/d 2 mths, held 1 mth.  Aug 1.3% cut - bad 1mth, held 1mth. Oct 4 wkly 0.4% cuts held 6 weeks. Jan 2016 2 wkly 0.4% cuts. 8 month hold. Sept Wkly cuts: 0.5%, 3 1% cuts.  Oct 4 wkly 1% cuts, hold 3-4 weeks.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamins E & C, magnesium, iron, MSM, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.  My story of healing: ContinuedHealing

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#64 KarenB

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 06:26 PM

Merged similar topics.


2010 May Fluoxetine 20mg. Raging mostly stops, become more functional.
2011 February Escitalopram 10mg (sudden switch). 2012 January Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Early June Feeling great, decide to taper. Doc advises alternate days 20mg/10mg for 4 weeks.  Late June Steady. Drop to 10mg daily. Early July Not coping, raging, flu symptoms, shaky, anxious, low, spaced-out, self-destructive.  Mid July Return to alternate days 20mg/10mg - minimal improvement. Early August Return to full dose 20mg. Lost.
2014 February Switch to Venlafaxine. (First reduced Esc. to 10mg/day for a week) Feb-April Lost, 'light' self-harm, exhausted.
April Increase Ven. to 150mg/day. Dizzy. July 75mg twice a day to improve dizziness. Deep depression remains.  2015 Feb Vigilant dose spacing partially eases dizziness. Mar Switch to Effexor 75mg 2x/day. May Cut 10% to 135mg - bad w/d 2 mths, held 1 mth.  Aug 1.3% cut - bad 1mth, held 1mth. Oct 4 wkly 0.4% cuts held 6 weeks. Jan 2016 2 wkly 0.4% cuts. 8 month hold. Sept Wkly cuts: 0.5%, 3 1% cuts.  Oct 4 wkly 1% cuts, hold 3-4 weeks.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamins E & C, magnesium, iron, MSM, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.  My story of healing: ContinuedHealing

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           'The possibility of renewal exists so long as life exists.'  Dr Gabor Mate.


#65 Altostrata

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 02:32 PM

The transition to liquid can be eased by taking part of your dose in tablet form and part in liquid. If you are tapering, you would reduce the liquid part until it's gone, then consider either a smaller tablet dosage plus liquid or switch entirely to liquid.


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#66 Djones1984

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Posted 17 January 2016 - 10:02 PM

When I make my liquid I have been stirring it with a plastic fork handle and than draw it up would this be not a good idea?

March 2013 crashed after last pill and was started on depakote
April 2013 Doc put me back on 40mg of celexa for 2.5 weeks than switched to Paxil 3 weeks adverse reaction
June 2013 back to 20mg celexa and remeron 5mg just got worse
July 2013 5mg celexa and .5 klonopin daily to try and stabilize

5/1/15 3mg celexa and .25mg Klonopin once in the morning and once at night.

11/1/15 .80mg celexa and no change in klonopin, updosed to 1.10 mg after crash 

12/15/15 .80mg celexa and no change to klonopin 

1/1/16 updosed again to 1.10mg celexa and in major withdrawl, no change to klonopin. 

1/25/16 updosed to 1.5mg celexa no change to klonopin 

5/7/16 updosed celexa to 2mg and made everything worse so back down to 1.5mg after 3 days

5/1/16 current klonopin dosing: 7:00am .125mg, 1:00pm .125mg, 7:00pm .125mg, 12:00am .125mg and holding 


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 10:22 AM

If you do it the same way each time and it works, it's fine.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 08:01 PM

Can someone tell me please:

 

How long does a suspension made with water last for in the fridge?

 

Does a suspension made with distilled water or a pharmacy suspension liquid last longer?


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Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta
Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months.
July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months.
Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg.
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Posted 19 January 2016 - 11:50 AM

My rule of thumb has always been no more than a week, unless I get explicit stability information from a pharmacy or online.

 

This applies to suspensions made with distilled water or pharmacy liquid.

 

The major risk is spoilage from bacteria or mold, as with other opened foods in the refrigerator.


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Posted 02 March 2016 - 12:08 PM

This is interesting to me. I wrote this earlier today in my personal thread:

 

"Good Morning All,

 

Been a while. Unfortunately, I did reinstate back to 10mg of Lexapro. I have been back at this dosage for about 4.5 months now and feeling almost 100% for about 8 weeks now. My plan is to begin my taper down to 5mg over the next 6-8 months via 10% taper.

 

My doc wrote me another script for 5mg liquid. I began taking half of 10mg tablet and 5mg of liquid Lex two days ago and I feel kinda crappy. Can my body really tell the difference that I am taking half liquid? That seems crazy to me. I'll hold here for a week or so and see if it levels out before dropping the liquid to 4mg. Does this make sense to anyone?"

 

I have been on 10mg tablets for about 4.5 months. I switched over the other day to taking half of my 10mg tablet and 5ml/5mg of liquid esciatlopram and feel crappy today. I didn't even cut the dose and I feel like i am suffering WD symptoms. Anyone else experience this?


Lexapro from October 2012-October 2014

10mg from Oct 2012-Feb 201320mg from Feb 2013-June 201310mg from July 2013-April 2014
Began taper via liquid Lexapro from April 2014-September 2014(Roughly 6 month taper)---0.00 on Oct 1 2014--WD began in December 2014

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Reinstated to 10mg - 10mg Tablet October 15, 2015 - Stable by Mid-January, 2016

(Began Taper) 5ml/mg Liquid and 5mg Tablet - March 1, 2016 10mg Total w/ daily 15b Probiotic......4ml/mg Liquid and 5mg Tablet - March 26, 2016 - 9mg Total w/ daily 15b Probiotic....3ml/mg Liquid and 5mg Tablet - May 11, 2016 - 8mg Total w/ daily 15b Probiotic...2ml/mg Liquid and 5mg Tablet - July 5, 2016 - 7mg Total w/ 15b Probiotic ....1ml/mg Liquid and 5mg Tablet - August 26, 2016 - 6mg Total.....5mg Tablet - October 31, 2016

 


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Posted 02 March 2016 - 12:28 PM

I had a really rough time changing from the paxil CR pills to the liquid paxil.  It's the whole reason I started my thread here.

 

http://survivinganti...pension/page-1#

 

With the Paxil, the controlled release tablets work different than the liquid.  I also think our bodies become accustomed to absorbing it in a certain form, and it takes time to adjust.  If you're having symptoms  just from the change, I'd wait more than a week before lowering it.  I didn't, and I regretted it.


 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13 10 mg.  12/3 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs  8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs

 

Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL3/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptons started on day 12) 4/16: 125mg   for 20 days to: 5/6:   100mg  for  15 days to: 5/21    75mg  for  10 days to: 6/1:  56.25mg      13 days to: 6/13: 37.25mg    7 days to: 6/20  28.12mg   14 days to: 7/4  18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14: 18.75mg  20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg

Xanax: 9/8-10/6: .5mg twice daily,  10/7-11/11: .375 twice daily, 11/12-12/17: .25 twice daily, 12/18-1/22: .125 twice daily. Stopped 1/23. One .25 dose 2/6,  one .625 dose 2/16 Xanax:  2/22/16  .125 mgs 4 times daily. 12 PM .125 mgs,  3/25/16: .125 3 times daily, 4/3: .125 3 times plus .0625 once daily, 6/1 .125 3x,  8/4: 0.3125 d, 11/15/16: .25 d

 

Daily medications:  Paxil, Wellbutrin, Percocet,  Synthroid, Xanax, 

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 02:10 PM

I had a really rough time changing from the paxil CR pills to the liquid paxil. It's the whole reason I started my thread here.

http://survivinganti...pension/page-1#

With the Paxil, the controlled release tablets work different than the liquid. I also think our bodies become accustomed to absorbing it in a certain form, and it takes time to adjust. If you're having symptoms just from the change, I'd wait more than a week before lowering it. I didn't, and I regretted it.


Thanks, Colonial. You got used to the liquid Paxil though?

Lexapro from October 2012-October 2014

10mg from Oct 2012-Feb 201320mg from Feb 2013-June 201310mg from July 2013-April 2014
Began taper via liquid Lexapro from April 2014-September 2014(Roughly 6 month taper)---0.00 on Oct 1 2014--WD began in December 2014

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Reinstated to 10mg - 10mg Tablet October 15, 2015 - Stable by Mid-January, 2016

(Began Taper) 5ml/mg Liquid and 5mg Tablet - March 1, 2016 10mg Total w/ daily 15b Probiotic......4ml/mg Liquid and 5mg Tablet - March 26, 2016 - 9mg Total w/ daily 15b Probiotic....3ml/mg Liquid and 5mg Tablet - May 11, 2016 - 8mg Total w/ daily 15b Probiotic...2ml/mg Liquid and 5mg Tablet - July 5, 2016 - 7mg Total w/ 15b Probiotic ....1ml/mg Liquid and 5mg Tablet - August 26, 2016 - 6mg Total.....5mg Tablet - October 31, 2016