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#1045 apace41

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 09:02 AM

As of last Saturday, April 15, 2017 I officially took the plunge. I did the final 100% cut and dropped to "0mg".  For the first time in 25 and a half years I am drug free.

 

So awesome, Tom!  Proud (and jealous) of you. 

 

You will do great.  You are a beacon for those of us still on the journey.  Enjoy China!

 

Best,

 

Andy


Started Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg circa 2000; Sx Spring 2012. increased to .5 Clonazapam - no improvement; Started taper of K November 2012 (benzo sites said "taper benzo first"); increased Sert to100mg no improvement; Finished K microtaper in November 2014
Started Sertraline taper from 100mg in December 2014 by reducing to 75mg; Reduced to 62.5mg on January 1, 2015 and 50mg on February 1, 2015; Held at 50mg through April 5 when I got Rx for liquid Sertraline
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet on 10/5

Held through February with no noticeable change

March 2016 attempted to begin taper again but miscalculated into 1 week accidental updose to 32.5mg; dropped back to 25mg for 1 week; tapered to 22.5mg the following week; hit with symptoms and tried to stabilize between 22.5mg and 25mg.  Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy. Was dealing with horrible insomnia which had me sleeping once every other day.  Went back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016.  October 1 cut 4% to 24mg.  November 1 cut 8.3% to 22mg. December 1 cut 9% to 20mg.  Not great but functional. 2/1/17 cut 5% to 19mg.  Taking Spray-on Magnesium, Magnesium supplements, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Co-Q10, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine


#1046 Shep

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 09:51 AM

Wow, Tom, being drug free after 25 years is a major accomplishment! 

 

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And you proved that you can taper AND still have a life. Very well done. 

 

Happy travels.  :)

 

Locked up and forced onto drugs as a teenager - misdiagnosed manic depressive.
Developed dependency and stayed on cocktails of drugs for nearly 30 years.

My Intro: Shep's Journey

Last drug cocktail: Seroquel, Halcion, Klonopin, Sonata, Vibrydd, and Dexetrine

After 30 years of polydrug use, completely med free May 22, 2015.

Remaining symptoms: dp/dr with memory problems and insomnia

 

I am not a medical professional, and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. 

 

 


#1047 doggiemama

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 10:09 AM

Great news love it when a plan comes together

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 10:19 AM

Wow, Tom! You did it! Congratulations!!!
This is such good news, it's huge! I am so incredibly happy for you.
I hope you celebrated this big event in some way.

Thank you for your friendship and support during all these years tapering, it has been invaluable to me.

And now you are going to China?! Exciting!

Hug, hug, hug!
Amy


Tapering Zoloft since 2011. Current dose: 0,006 mg

 

0,009 mg 8 April 0,013 mg 25 March 0,019 mg 22 March 0,039 mg 18 March? 0,052 mg 16 March 0,079 mg 4 March 0,086 1 March 0,099 mg 22 February 0,11 mg 15 February 0,13 mg 6 February 0,145 mg 24 January 0,15 mg 19 January 0,19 mg 10 January 0,20 mg 3 January

 

2016: 0,98 to 0,22 mg

2015: 2,35 to 1,01 mg

2014: 4,9 to 2,5 mg

2013: 9,1 to 5,1 mg

2012: 15,7 to 9,7 mg

2011: Started on 25 mg - then 50 mg- dropped to 25- to 12.5 mg - back to 25 mg - after 18.75 mg started tiny tapering to 16.6 mg

 

Started on 25 mg Zoloft in March 2011 due to stressrelated tinnitus that gave me panicattacks, then after two weeks up to 50 mg, which dose I was only on for five weeks. Had a terrible reaction to Zoloft from start, but was told to "hold on". After four months on 25 mg/12 mg/18,75 mg I was stuck. Therefore the long taper. Crazy, I know... Super sensitive to drops and have dropped by 4-6 % from the prevoius dose all the way from 17,5 mg.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 10:45 AM

Good going, Brass!  Congratulations.


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Lexapro 20 mg. since 2004 for depression.  January 6, 2017, began 2.5% taper per week for four weeks with 2-week hold. Jan. 6 19.5 mg, Jan 13 19 mg, Jan. 20 18.5 mg, Jan. 27 18 mg, Feb. 3 two-week hold, Feb. 18 17.5  mg, Feb. 25 17.1 mg, Mar. 4 16.7 mg, Mar. 11 16.3mg, Mar. 18 two-week hold, April 1 15.9 mg, April 8 15.5 mg, April 15 15.1 mg, April 21 holding at 15.1 mg

 

Lorazepam 1 mg for colitis-related stress 1986.  CT 1992, reinstated a few months later.  CT approx. 2000 with no difficulty.  Since 2011 1mg for insomnia at bedtime. Decreased to .75 mg mid-2015 with no difficulty.  September 28, 2016, increased to 1.5 mg in a split dose of .5 mg, morning, afternoon and bedtime to alleviate anxiety.  April 21 old brand no longer available, began crossover to locally available brand, .5mg new brand AM dose, old brand PM and night dose

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986, prescribed for ulcerative colitis pain.  CT 1991, experienced bad flare-up of colitis, reinstated a few months later.  Jan. 27, 2016, began every-3-weeks 10% taper.  At 30 mg began experiencing dizziness; at 25 mg experiencing anxiety as well as insomnia; at 19 mg - more anxiety; at 15 mg - more anxiety; August 30 discovered SA, updosed to 25 mg and holding there.    

 

Supplements: theanine, fish oil, vitamin E, magnesium, Natural Balance Happy Camper, VSL3DS probiotic, vitamin D3, digestive enzyme, zinc, fo-ti.  50 mg Enerphos at bedtime, 50 mg when I wake in the the night. 


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 11:05 AM

Can't miss this eventful day to congratulate you on getting your full life back free from this poison Paxil!

I hope we will still hear you sometimes. You helped so many myself included in various ways with your great wisdom in the past many years, and the brassmonkey slide method is an standard term now to many of us!

You are a true aspiration surviving and helping others!

Big hugs!!

Lex
<p>2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg, first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, slight improvement with pain2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR2016 Feb., started fast taper for the drug toxicity caused by the one dose of 4.2mg, dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, sliding Down to 0.13mg by 2/13, then 0.07mg since 2/18, 0.06mg 2/20-3/17, 0.13mg 3/18

#1051 nz11

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 12:16 PM

As of last Saturday, April 15, 2017 I officially took the plunge. I did the final 100% cut and dropped to "0mg".  For the first time in 25 and a half years I am drug free.

Wow! Woke up this morning to read this.

 

You are simply the best.

 

Congratulations.

 

What a real honor and a privilege to be a witness to your journey both here and at prior place.

You have masterminded and executed an amazing ingenious taper plan that i know has and is helping so many.

The huge number of views on your intro is a reflection of the enormous influence and tapering advise that you provide to so many.

 

Sometimes i think if only i had have done the Brassmonkey ... but even if i had have known about or had the vision to realise such a taper plan i  think my character may have struggled to do it. Being a person who is so much against drugs on realising what i had been swallowing my brain would have been yelling at me spit it out spit it out.

 

The enormity of the mountain to climb didn't phase you, your patience, resolve and determination to stick to the plan and get home safely while writing the taper book has been a lesson to the world.

 

I believe that we all, each and everyone of us have a book inside us over this experience.

I reckon you should write yours. I know I'd pay money to buy it and read it.

 

How wonderful to be going on travels and not have to worry about the hassle of doses and pills anymore.

I am reminded of our good prior place rock star babs who once said to one who had gone drug free...

...."you are now The boss you don't have to take anything anymore."

 

Even better days are ahead im sure.

All the best. I am just so happy for you.

nz11


2000 amitryptaline, nortriptaline venlafaxine clonazepam for  arm pain from keyboard use, told I had a chemical imbalance it would fix my arm was just a matter of finding the right med for me not informed of the nature of these drugs assured safe and not addictive, CT off Effexor after being told to double the dose on reporting adverse effects...later ..uncharacteristic psych panic tearful presented to doctor to get answers. Given paroxetine no questions asked 'safe and not addictive' next please.2001-2010 paroxetine (paxil) 2 failed attempts to quit, a learned helplessness set in. Feb 10 - Sept 10,  8 month clueless taper, hell. Doc said I had underlying depression .. I said that's not right' then found online support group and the truth!...overcome with inconceivable humiliation and outrage. 28 Sept 10 drug free ...  daily psych and emotional torture beginning in the waking hours of the morning receding somewhat in the evening only to start up again the next day. 28 Sept 12 (24 months) Stabilizing  (What an indescribable unimaginable non-functional nightmare). sleep issues start up at 3 yrs  waking daily at 2am -4.30am), April 2016 return to sport for the first time since drug free, Sept 16 return to work on casual basis.  28 Sept 16 (6yrs drug free), still cant sleep with any regularity, pssd continues no sign of improvement, still feel Rip van Winkle-ish, brain fog still improving, psoriasis concerns.

 

"It is unsafe for people who suffer from something that could be treated with an ssri to consult a psychiatrist." Gotzshe 2015. [ I think Gotzsche could have easily meant to say 'to consult anyone with prescribing privileges']. "Going to a psychiatrist is one of the most dangerous actions a person can take." Breggin

 

“Paroxetine is not safe, it is not effective and it meets every known definition of addictive.” McLaren, N, (2016) 'Psychiatry as bullsh*t’ p55..."Psychiatry is stuffed full of 'deep nonsense' better known as bullsh*t." McLaren 2016

 

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

See  my intro post #451 for the xanax back story and for a CV -GSKs.  Come on guys get taperwise see a TaperMe Schedule

 For a staggeringly shocking 'prozac back story' see the truth post #523

 

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 01:41 PM

Just seeing this today.  Amazing news!  I'm so happy for you!!


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Luvox 5/08 100 mg 07/10 40mg via small reductions, 08/10 39mg, 09/10 38mg, 10/10 37mg, 11/10 36mg,2/11 35mg, 5/11 34mg, 8/11 33mg, 11/11 32mg, 01/12 31mg, 03/12 30mg, 4/12 29mg, 5/12 28 mg, 8/12 27 mg, 11/12 26 mg, 1/13 25 mg, 3/13 24 mg, 4/13 23 mg,6/13 22 mg, 7/13 21 mg, 8/13 20mg, 10/13 19 mg, 11/13 18 mg, 12/13 17 mg, 1/14 16 mg, 3/14 13 mg, 9/14 10.9 mg,  1/15 10 mg, 3/15  9 mg,  5/15 8 mg. 11/15 7.12 mg.  4/16  5 mg, 6/16   4.5 mg,  9/16 4.2 mg, 1/17 3.48 mg, 2/17  3.2 mg,  4/17 2.2 mg


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 04:42 PM

My dear Tom
((((((((((((((((Hugs)))))))))))))))
I don't come here often anymore...and the reason I was led here today was obviously to read your thread. I couldn't feel more happiness for anyone in this moment than I'm feeling right now for you. Congratulations and well done and thank you from the bottom of my heart. You and a few others at that prior place consistently and compassionately supported me through the darkest days of my life and I will never forget that..... although we've never met face to face you are like family to me.....I'm sure there are many others who feel that way about you too.
I hope you can open this link below this is my present to you. Love you bunches, your friend always, joanne

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June, 1998 zoloft 50 mg. Had entered menopause, was irritable and anxious

Summer 2010, added welbutrin to zoloft, switched to effexor,did not work
9/ 2010 zoloft 75 mg. 11/25/10 50 mg.  12/30 45
1/19/11 40.5 2/6 36.5 3/7 32.8
3/29 29.5 4/20 25 5/28 22.5
6/16 20.2 7/7 18.2 7/28 16.4
8/18 14.7 9/8 13.0 9/23 12.5
10/10 11.2 11/6 10.6 11/9 11.2
12/7 10.5 1/1/12 10 2/1 9.5
3/1 9 3/23 8.5 4/30 5/29 7.5 6/26 7 7/31 6.5
8/22 6 9/15 5.5 10/2012/17 4.8 (switched to homemade liquid) 2/8/2013 zoloft free


#1054 brassmonkey

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 05:16 PM

Thank you all so much.  Having a safe place to go and friends who understood has been a major help over the years.  It's going to take a few days to sink in that it's over, a lot of emotions to filter through.

 

(((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 05:24 PM

AmyK-- it's going to be your turn pretty soon, I can't wait to send you congratulations.  Having you for a traveling partner for this trip has been wonderful, I truly value your support through the years.

 

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20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 05:27 PM

Lex--  it's been a long ride together through some pretty tough times.  It's the travel partners that make all the difference.  I can't wait for you to finally get in the clear.

 

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20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 05:37 PM

Nz11-- You were there before me and are still here now, what can I say?  I've always valued your input, opinions and research.  We each had a very different journey but are ending up in the same place and I'm hoping for everyone else to join us here.

 

((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))

 

Babs was the first one to respond to my first post back at prior place.  I hope she comes on line here sometime so I can share this with her.


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 05:41 PM

Joanne--  I'm so glad you got the urge to log on today.  Thank you for the song.  I think I remember you relying on it during some of your dark times back at prior place.  It really sums things up nicely.  It's the people we meet and friends we make along the way that make this journey tolerable.

 

((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 07:18 PM

Ask and you shall receive ... lol ... a big CONGRATULATIONS to you, Tom, on finally being drug-free. It's an amazing feeling, isn't it? Well done on doing whatever the heck it was I told you to do those many years ago. ;) I have no doubt it's only going to get better and better.

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Tried to quit twice, finally did it on my 3rd attempt in 2005.

I went from 20mg to zero in about four months, believing at the time that it was a reasonable taper.  It wasn't.  I suffered mostly emotional symptoms: frequent episodes of "anxious depression" lasting for about 17 months before it got noticeably better.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 09:45 PM

Congratulations, Brass - keeping fingers, toes, arms and legs crossed for you that it is smooth sailing here on out!

 

SG


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Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history.  Did fast taper, don't remember details, around August 2014.
Took Sam-E 200 mg AM and 500 mg L-tryptophan PM Sept.2014 to January 2015

Doing poorly, put on Viibryd 10 mg for 1 wk, 20 mg for several days, BAD ANXIETY, fast taper to 0 in a week; back on Sam-E 200 mg AM and L-tryptophan 500 mg PM until April 10, 2015; doing very badly, put on Remeron 7.5 mg start April 15-April 30, 2015; Increased Remeron from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly,

June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened!  On p-doc's orders went up to 75 mg Effexor June 11-12, then back to 37.5 mg when I realized all the hell I had been through before was WD from Effexor!  Joined SA and began tapering both too soon one month later.

8/22/15: Effexor to 30.75 mg, Remeron to 22 mg. 9/9/15 Effexor 30 mg/Remeron 21 mg. 9/24/15: Remeron 19 mg. 10/25/16: Remeron 17 mg. 11/14/15:  Effexor 28.5 mg 12/2/15: Remeron 16 mg. 12/5/15: Effexor 28.1 mg. 12/17/15: Remeron 15 mg. 1/26/16: Remeron 14 mg. 3/22/16, Remeron 13.5 mg and Effexor 25.9 mg (had nudged it down by fraction of a mg since Dec).  4/28/16: Remeron 13 mg, Effexor 25.5 mg.  5/21/16: Remeron 12 mg, Effexor 24.75 mg.  6/17/16, Effexor 23.25 mg, Remeron 11.6 mg. 7/12/16:  Remeron 11 mg, Effexor 22.12 mg.  9/22/16:  Effexor 19.5 mg, Remeron 9 mg.  As of 4/12/17:  Effexor 12.4 mg  Remeron 5.9 mg.

 

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 12:00 AM

Babs was the first one to respond to my first post back at prior place.  I hope she comes on line here sometime so I can share this with her.

yeah she was the first one to respond to me too.

She always made the right call ....hey i think she must be psychic or something .... :lol:


2000 amitryptaline, nortriptaline venlafaxine clonazepam for  arm pain from keyboard use, told I had a chemical imbalance it would fix my arm was just a matter of finding the right med for me not informed of the nature of these drugs assured safe and not addictive, CT off Effexor after being told to double the dose on reporting adverse effects...later ..uncharacteristic psych panic tearful presented to doctor to get answers. Given paroxetine no questions asked 'safe and not addictive' next please.2001-2010 paroxetine (paxil) 2 failed attempts to quit, a learned helplessness set in. Feb 10 - Sept 10,  8 month clueless taper, hell. Doc said I had underlying depression .. I said that's not right' then found online support group and the truth!...overcome with inconceivable humiliation and outrage. 28 Sept 10 drug free ...  daily psych and emotional torture beginning in the waking hours of the morning receding somewhat in the evening only to start up again the next day. 28 Sept 12 (24 months) Stabilizing  (What an indescribable unimaginable non-functional nightmare). sleep issues start up at 3 yrs  waking daily at 2am -4.30am), April 2016 return to sport for the first time since drug free, Sept 16 return to work on casual basis.  28 Sept 16 (6yrs drug free), still cant sleep with any regularity, pssd continues no sign of improvement, still feel Rip van Winkle-ish, brain fog still improving, psoriasis concerns.

 

"It is unsafe for people who suffer from something that could be treated with an ssri to consult a psychiatrist." Gotzshe 2015. [ I think Gotzsche could have easily meant to say 'to consult anyone with prescribing privileges']. "Going to a psychiatrist is one of the most dangerous actions a person can take." Breggin

 

“Paroxetine is not safe, it is not effective and it meets every known definition of addictive.” McLaren, N, (2016) 'Psychiatry as bullsh*t’ p55..."Psychiatry is stuffed full of 'deep nonsense' better known as bullsh*t." McLaren 2016

 

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

See  my intro post #451 for the xanax back story and for a CV -GSKs.  Come on guys get taperwise see a TaperMe Schedule

 For a staggeringly shocking 'prozac back story' see the truth post #523

 

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#1062 Bruin

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 03:42 AM

So many Congratulations Tom.......so wonderful that you are free and enjoying your life in spectacular fashion.

 

All the very best

 

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Anti Depressants for  25 years. Valium between 2006 to 7 tapered off over a month without too bad withdrawals.

For last 15 years 150 mg of Effexor and 30 mg of Mirtazapine. Occasional short term benzo use without habituation.

March 2015 stopped Effexor after rapid taper. 6 weeks. 

One month fluoxetine June 2015...stopped CT July 2015.

October 2013 to December 2015 Zopiclone 15 mg at night,

Dec 2015 to Early March 2016 Lyrica 75 mg at night. 

Stopped too quickly as  adverse side effects.

January to May 2016 tapered Zopiclone to 7.5mg 

Crossed over to Valium and now ..March 28th 2017 Benzo Free.

Also on 30 mg Mirtazapine and holding until have finished Benzo taper.

IN protracted WD from Effexor.

 


#1063 AliG

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 04:18 AM

Tom. Congratulations. If we had an auditorium you would be making a speech, accepting an award and there would be applause from everyone you have touched during your journey. You have been a role model for slow tapering and shown that you can have a fulfilled life whilst also tapering extremely slowly . :)

Best,

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Many SSRI's &SSNRI's over 20 years . Zoloft - 7 years .  Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and many more - on and off . No tapering. Cold turkey -  Valdoxan - end of May 2014

 

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#1064 manymoretodays

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 05:55 AM

Ooooh brassmonkey,

 

Woohoo and some kind of celebratory dancing are in order!  It is a weird......a good weird feeling, eh? :) I feel like singing/yelling......"all clear after all those years!!"

 

Best,

 

mmt


Started with psycho meds circa 1988 I think 27 or 28 total.

AD's, antpsychotics, antiseizure mood stabilizers. Lithium, lamictal,benzos, and stimulants. Some med. for narcolepsy once?, Gabapentin........probably more.  Ask me?......I probably was on it.  Haphazard W/D's by Dr. recommend or uneducated self.

10/2014- off Lexapro--had been on highest dose 10 mg. then 5 mg. for a couple of years, went from 5 mg. to 3 mg. liquid and then CT in hospital(voluntary).  I got out of the hospital on a combination of low dose adderal salts x1/day and trileptal 150mg. x2/day.

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!

 

3/21/2016---I did some unwise updosing of trileptal/oxcarbazepine with some stressful stuff......doubled the above dose x2 during this last wave but began liquifying again and on approximately 68mg. starting today.  11/12//2016 24 mg. oxcarbazepine  12/9/2016 off oxcarbazepine/trileptal!!!! :) optimistic

Omega3's,EPA +DHA= approx. 1200/day. Magnesium citrate orally,diluted in a liter of H2O(that I can shake up.....it usually dissolves more completely as the water gets down to room temperature) and/or Epsom salt baths prn.   Vit. C and E.  B12, melatonin 3mcg., and bioidentical hormones sublingually.  Trace mineral drops.  L-lysine.  L-methylfolate=300 mcg. Totally ready for a good long window to hit soon and getting better strings of full days and partial days along the way.  Definite improvement overall since I first arrived on the SA survivor ship.  Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.

 


#1065 SkyBlue

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 08:13 AM

As of last Saturday, April 15, 2017 I officially took the plunge. I did the final 100% cut and dropped to "0mg".  For the first time in 25 and a half years I am drug free.

 

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Brass, that is so wonderful. Congratulations!!!!!! Amazing. What an accomplishment!!!!!!!! Hugs!!!! <3 


Long story short: After 18 years on Paxil, "tapered" in July 2015 from 20 to 10 to 5 mg in a month, at doctor's advice. = Essentially a cold-turkey.

*Current*: March: 0.82 mg Paxil. Jan 1:  .88 mg, baby!! …. August 31: Less than 1mg Paxil! ... July 30: 1 mg Paxil! ! ! And 100 mg Zoloft unfortunately!!  

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On Paxil since 1996--anxiety & depression likely caused by (then-undiagnosed) under-eating / eating disorder. 

Rapid "taper" July 2015 and started Zoloft as a "cross-taper". Feb 2016: Found SA!! As of June 2016: Doing 2% cuts (Brassmonkey Slide!). 

Now: fish oil, magnesium; protein; exercise; healthy fats; acupuncture, meditation, & a new doctor.  I am in recovery from an eating disorder!!!  ***Have you had a sleep study?***    *Feel free to message me if I don't respond to a forum thread.* 


#1066 DLB

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 02:11 PM

Great news Brass!!! It's gonna be smooth sailing from here. You did a remarkable job and were always helping others and me too when I went a little wonky during withdrawal. I have been waiting to see this for the longest time, now we'll wait for that success story. BTW I just found this on some other page and I think it is your avatar from PP. If it is, use it again!!4139a0f85e86_profile_image_1468443851.jpg


Paxil start September 2003 due to Fluoroquinolone adverse reaction that I wish doc. knew what it was. 10mg. most of the time with a few short runs of 20mg. FAST tapered 3 times and finally hit poop out or a reaction to nsaid's in Nov.2013. Started a 10% taper Jan. 2014 and have been ok until Sept 14 and went through a short hell. Now plodding through and looking for the light with unrelenting insomnia and pain, fog, loss of interests....<p>12/20/14 - .8mg.
1/01/15 - .75 mg.
1/15/15 - .42 mg. better sleep now, hope it continues...
2/11-15 - .25 mg. doing really good!! 2 weeks feel 85% of old me!
3/17/15 .14 mg. Knee pain bad!
4/07/15 .05 mg. this is so small now that I am estimating and just licking it off palm small as a "." And I'm using small text..
4/13/15 NOTHING !!!! Took my last little micro dose on 4/12/15. 😃👍👍👍

#1067 catnapt

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 03:45 AM

As of last Saturday, April 15, 2017 I officially took the plunge. I did the final 100% cut and dropped to "0mg".  For the first time in 25 and a half years I am drug free.

 

omgoodness how did I miss this?!?!
 

 

wow, Tom, that is fantastic!!

congratulations!!!

 

I am so happy for you!!


1974-2002 many psych meds, all types; longest used drugs include lithium, seroquel, SSRI's zoloft & celexa; many CT's off drugs

2002-2015 on varying doses of lexapro, as  high as 40 mgs, but usually 20mgs

June 2015: tapered too fast to 2.5mgs, then to 2.5mgs every other day Dec 2015:  found SA forum; holding at 2.5mgs 

Early May 2016: jumped off at 2.5mgs, not smart- crashed in late Sept.

Oct 26 2016  reinstated liquid lexapro 0.05ml/day at night, dose +/- til settling on 0.15BID (0.3/day)= windows and waves

Jan 8, 2017 too quick switch to single dose in the morning, 0.3mgs (bad mistake, led to a crash)

Jan 12 added low dose zyprexa for SI, took infrequently as rescue med, last dose Feb.15

Jan 26 lexapro 0.27mg Feb 25 lexapro updose back to 0.3mg due to unrelenting severe insomnia

March 1 insomnia worse, back down to 0.29 for one day, then 0.27, then 0.25- improving!! March 17 0.24  April 7 0.21

March 7 added low dose lamictal, adjusting dose based on response (currently ~18mgs)

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 03:20 PM

Brassmonkey:

Congrats on the zeros!! What a great accomplishment. :)

As soon as I'm stable (hopefully a month or so), I'm going to use your taper method.

I don't think my body likes the 10% cut all at once, that's why I get nauseous.

Going into the 7's. Every time I hit the 7's, my body goes crazy and I end up going back up. JanCarol says to call them the wonderful, precious 7's, think positive and I'll get right through them.

That's what I'm going to do. With your taper method, I can and will get right passed them.

Take care,
Frogie xx
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50mcg 18-April for hypothydroidism Stopped by dr. on 20-April too many side effects, going to try again in 6 months

#1069 AmyK

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 10:59 PM

I am so curious, Tom. I must ask, how does it feel? Could you feel the jump?
Sending love and hugs!
Amy

Tapering Zoloft since 2011. Current dose: 0,006 mg

 

0,009 mg 8 April 0,013 mg 25 March 0,019 mg 22 March 0,039 mg 18 March? 0,052 mg 16 March 0,079 mg 4 March 0,086 1 March 0,099 mg 22 February 0,11 mg 15 February 0,13 mg 6 February 0,145 mg 24 January 0,15 mg 19 January 0,19 mg 10 January 0,20 mg 3 January

 

2016: 0,98 to 0,22 mg

2015: 2,35 to 1,01 mg

2014: 4,9 to 2,5 mg

2013: 9,1 to 5,1 mg

2012: 15,7 to 9,7 mg

2011: Started on 25 mg - then 50 mg- dropped to 25- to 12.5 mg - back to 25 mg - after 18.75 mg started tiny tapering to 16.6 mg

 

Started on 25 mg Zoloft in March 2011 due to stressrelated tinnitus that gave me panicattacks, then after two weeks up to 50 mg, which dose I was only on for five weeks. Had a terrible reaction to Zoloft from start, but was told to "hold on". After four months on 25 mg/12 mg/18,75 mg I was stuck. Therefore the long taper. Crazy, I know... Super sensitive to drops and have dropped by 4-6 % from the prevoius dose all the way from 17,5 mg.


#1070 Cheeky

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 02:07 AM

Wow Congratulation ,

You have inspired me to not give up, hopefully I can be Paxil free in the future.

Wishing you all the best xxx


-1995 to 2014 started at 20mg for 10 years and slowly increased it to 50mg Paxil-2014 8th of October 25mg Seraquel Started -2014 Tapered of Aropax from Oct 16th to 22nd Nov in only 1 week-2014 Oct 25th started Cymbalta on 30mg fo 1 week Nov 7th 60mg Cymbalta for 2 weeks and Nov 25th -28th 90mg Cymbalta - plus 50mg Seraquel-Tapered of Cymbalta from Nov 28th to 7th Dec - started Zoloft 50mg on the 8th of Dec-12th Dec 75mg Zoloft 16th Dec 100mg Zoloft and still on the 50mg Seraquel-2015 6th Jan 25mg Seraquel 15th Jan 125mg Zoloft and 50mg seraquel-21st Jan 20mg Paxil plus 50mg Seraquel 24th of Jan 30mg Paxil 27th of Jan 40mg Paxil<p>-started Seraquel Tapper Febuary 24th to 43.7mg then March 29th 37.5mg of seraquel May 6th 31.25mg May 28th 25mg4th Nov 21mg Seraquel 14th feb 12.5 Seraquel and still on 40mg PaxilCurrently 12.5mg Seraquel1st may started my Paxil tapper 5% 38mg 16th June 5% 36.8mg 23rd July 35.5mg August 6th 35mg
August 23rd 34.5mg currently 19th October 40mg Paxil and 50mg Seraquel at night 2nd November 43mg Seraquel

17th March 2017 39.5mg  Paxil and 43mg Seraquel


#1071 brassmonkey

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:06 AM

I'm not really sure Amy.  I've been all over the place emotionally all week, but, it's been a very active week.  Monicas been sick, we've had to deal with the Chinese Embassy to get visas, lots of LA traffic driving, and still coming down from the Egypt trip.  I was noticeably nervous the first couple of days, but that was anticipatory stress from making the jump.  I've had a lot of body aches and pains, but those were happening before the jump.  Late last night I had a nice round of depression, but I was very tired after a long stressful day.  I think all told there is an undercurrent from the jump, but it's being hard to pin down.  None of the "symptoms" are strong enough to be a problem, but are noticeable.  Give things a few weeks to work the last of the drug out of my system and we will see what happens.  I am very glad I decided to taper as far down as possible, I can see how a jump from higher up could have caused problems.


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Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

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#1072 Hibari

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 12:51 PM

Congratulations on finishing your thoughtful, step by step taper!  Wishing your continued steady healing and happiness.


September 2013-April 2014: After the death of my mom in July 2012.-became very depressed in September of 2013. Given a series of antidepressants very quickly from about 4 different psychiatrists in a 6 month period. Each one was from 1 day to 10 days at the most. My body could not handle it-I had Zoloft 4 days, Lexapro-1 day, Nortriptyline-10 days, Liquid Prozac, 1 week, Cymbalta 1 week.

December 2013-September 2014: Put on Xanax after a reaction to the Lexapro, averaging .50-1mg per day. Switched to Clonazepam-midway averaging about 0.25-0.50 daily.

June 2014: Jan/Feb 2015: Put on 7.5 Remeron titrate up to 41.25mgs

September 2014-July 2015: Put on 25mgs of Lamictal titrate up to 200mgs daily. Also stopped the Clonzepam- never felt the wd I had experienced when I tried to stop it before (knowing nothing about withdrawal) because the Lamictal calmed me down.

 

Currently: Tapering both medications together using micro cuts. Started tapering Remeron in January 2015, Started tapering Lamictal July 2015 Main wd symptoms-sweating, nausea, headaches, deep crying, anxiety. 12/21/16 Remeron 1.6 Lamictal 22.50 mgs 1/19/17 Remeron 1.2mgs, Lamictal 22.50mg 2/12/17 Remeron 1.2 Lamictal 21.25 mgs 3/4/17 Remeron 0.85 Lamictal 21.25 3/14 Remeron 0.85 Lamictal 20mgs 3/22 Remeron 0.45 Lamictal 20mg 3/25 Remeron 0.45 Lamictal 18.75mgs 3/30 Remeron 0.025 4/7 Lamictal 18.75mgs Remeron 0.025

 

4/7/2017 Remeron Free stopped at 0.025mgs

 

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#1073 ladybug

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 05:14 PM

Amazing news! So happy for you. 😃

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2006-2007:40-20mg
2009: 20mg to 14mg 2010: 14mg to 10.5mg 2011: 10.5 to 7.6mg  2012: 7.5 to 6.8mg

2013: 6.7-6.3mg 2014: 6.2mg-5.8mg 2015: 5.7 to 5.15mg

01/06/16:5.1mg

02/20/16: 5.0mg

05/28/16: 4.9mg

07/09/16: 4.8mg

09/02/16: 4.7mg

10/27/16: 4.6mg


#1074 nick1990

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 08:18 PM

Good stuff Tom. So happy for you and look forward to walking in your footsteps :)


Started Citalopram in 2004 or 2005 (aged 14 or 15) for apparent "OCD" - 60mg -

Cold switch Mirtazapine 2011 - Crash - Back to Citalopram 60mg. Recover within few weeks.

Slowly over couple years drop to 50mg. No real WD.

June 2015 drop to 45mg . Tiny hiccup about a week later - recover within a day. July 2015 drop to 40mg. 1 week later MASSIVE Anxiety/Panic/Confusion/Irritation. Try to ride it out for nearly 3 months. Does improve very slightly , windows longer but still not pleasant. Intense Anxiety though. Back to 45mg October 2015- immediately tired, drowsy, fuzzy and cloudy. Anxiety improves but still there 1 week on. November 2016 - Resumed taper. 1% decrease weekly approx.  44.5mg November 2016. Jan 2017 42.5 mg. March 2017 40 mg.


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Posted 22 April 2017 - 02:03 AM

Well done Tom and congratulations! Good luck with your SSRI free life ..... I hope it goes smoothly!



#1076 AmyK

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 03:08 AM

Despite the stress, Tom, it seems like it's going well. Your positive, pragmatic and kind attitude will help you.
Many hugs!

Tapering Zoloft since 2011. Current dose: 0,006 mg

 

0,009 mg 8 April 0,013 mg 25 March 0,019 mg 22 March 0,039 mg 18 March? 0,052 mg 16 March 0,079 mg 4 March 0,086 1 March 0,099 mg 22 February 0,11 mg 15 February 0,13 mg 6 February 0,145 mg 24 January 0,15 mg 19 January 0,19 mg 10 January 0,20 mg 3 January

 

2016: 0,98 to 0,22 mg

2015: 2,35 to 1,01 mg

2014: 4,9 to 2,5 mg

2013: 9,1 to 5,1 mg

2012: 15,7 to 9,7 mg

2011: Started on 25 mg - then 50 mg- dropped to 25- to 12.5 mg - back to 25 mg - after 18.75 mg started tiny tapering to 16.6 mg

 

Started on 25 mg Zoloft in March 2011 due to stressrelated tinnitus that gave me panicattacks, then after two weeks up to 50 mg, which dose I was only on for five weeks. Had a terrible reaction to Zoloft from start, but was told to "hold on". After four months on 25 mg/12 mg/18,75 mg I was stuck. Therefore the long taper. Crazy, I know... Super sensitive to drops and have dropped by 4-6 % from the prevoius dose all the way from 17,5 mg.


#1077 brassmonkey

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 09:31 AM

Over the past several weeks I been starting to notice a shift in things.  From about a moth before I made the jump my ruminating thoughts have changed character.  Firstly they are not as pervasive as they used to be.  Now they're just thoughts that come and go, but don't stay and hammer at me for hours at a time.  The big change, however, is that they are not dredging up all the bad stuff and making it worse, but rather they are short glimpses of the good stuff with no strings attached.

 

Other than that things are going quite well.  We are doing some prep work for the next push on the remodel, and getting ready for the trip to China in a few weeks.  Had a lot of unexpected yard work a couple of days ago.  I had been working on the back patio for several hours and went inside to take a short break.  When I came back out there was our largest orange tree laying on the the ground.  It had just fallen over.  No high winds or anything, just fell over.  After checking it out we could see that the roots had given up to mildew and rot.  The tree was 60 years old, which is very old for an orange.  So we had to spend the next four hours cutting and hauling to clean up the mess.  Now there's a big hold with a view of the neighbors yard that we will have to fill, as we like our privacy.  It did leave us with several hundred pounds of oranges we need to do something with.  I might have to break out my old wine making equipment and see what happens.


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

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#1078 brassmonkey

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 10:56 AM

Dear fellow members the Monkeyman is very upset.  

 

This group is founded on the idea of providing support and information for people who are serious about getting off of the psych drug that are haunting their life.  It provides "support and information" but relies on the individual members to do their own research and chart their own path.  We have stressed time and again that there are a very limited number of supplements that have any positive effect on withdrawal.  These supplements we discuss at length in a number of places throughout the forum. Any other supplements that come up for discussion must be full researched before taking.  It is the responsibility of each and every member to do that research before they try something new.

 

The international supplement market is a mine field of people trying to sell you anything to "make you feel better". In some cases the supplements may help, in the majority of cases they don't do much of anything, while in other cases they can be very dangerous.  Case in point: today one of our members complained of having an adverse reaction to a small amount of a new supplement.  I frequently research new supplements when they are mentioned and I did so with this one.  The first thing that came up was that it contains the two key ingredients used in making rat poison and there are serious concerns about it's safety.  It's no wonder that the member had an immediate adverse reaction.

 

I am acutely aware of how bad withdrawal feels and how badly we all want to feel better, but people please, do your research.  In our desperation to feel better we don't want anything tragic to happen.  This site contains the distilled experiences of thousands of people, so we know what works and what doesn't.  Before starting a new supplement, research it on the web, research it on this site, ask questions and then think about it two or three times more before actually taking it.

 

Withdrawal from psych drugs is a long, very painful, ugly experience but we need to keep it as safe as we possibly can.

 

Brassmonkey


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking


#1079 Altostrata

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 10:02 PM

Well said, monkey man!

 

Congratulations on making the big jump to zero (your signature reveals you wish you had done this last year).  ;)


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#1080 brassmonkey

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 09:41 AM

Have you ever heard of a condition called "dyscalculia"?  

 

"Dyscalculia, sometimes known as "math dyslexia," affects the ability to make sense of and work with numbers."

 

​It's lead to a lot of interesting situations throughout my career as an engineer.  I understand the concepts, but seeing numbers on a page is just so much visual noise.  Same thing with menus on a restaurant wall, just visual noise.  Yet, give me one of those memes written upside down and backward and I have no problems.

 

BTW the date was a typo, I never changed the year as I updated the dose.


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking






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