Neuroplastic Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_Pyramid I have this feeling which borders on certainty that WD and the unparalleled physical and emotional trauma it brings pushes us to learn and re-learn the ways of dealing with the pain in an unprecedented fashion. The inner growth on all levels may be the end result of it. Moving up the Maslow's Pyramid it seems. 2000-2008 Paxil for a situational depression 2008 - Paxil c/t Severe protracted WD syndrome ever since; improving “The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once” Albert Einstein "Add signature to your profile. This way we can help you even better!" Surviving Antidepressants And, above all, ... keep walking. Just keep walking. Link to comment
Claudius Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Interesting, and I had heard/read about this pyramid before. Noticable is the word "homeostasis" in the lower layer of the pyramid. And that is exactly what is still a mess for most of us.... our brains are still in chaos in the search for chemical/neurological homeostasis after the massacre of the SSRI WD. I think when we have that back it will be much easier to move up a step in the pyramid. The pitfall is that we must not focus on the upper layer... it can be a long time to get there and not all of us will ever reach it. I would feel a lot better if I can move up to the second level 10 mg Paxil/Seroxat since 2002 several attempts to quit since 2004 Quit c/t again Oktober 2007, in protracted w/d since then after 3.5 years slight improvement but still on the road after 6 years pretty much recovered but still some nasty residual sypmtons after 8.5 years working again on a 90% base and basically functioning normally again! Link to comment
Neuroplastic Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 The pitfall is that we must not focus on the upper layer... it can be a long time to get there and not all of us will ever reach it. I would feel a lot better if I can move up to the second level No worry, Claudius. There are no absolute demarcation lines in between the levels. Even if in terms of physiology one might be well below the average, their emotional/intellectual part will situate them way way above. Also, it's more a matter of what we "aspire to" rather than what we "already have or have not". Bottomline then is that we don't need to wait for the physical homeostasis to thoroughly set in before we embark onto the next levels - we can try moving up even despite the temporary lack of it. Or, should I even say, moving up the levels may happen... thanks to the lack of the physical homeostasis as a way of compensating things. 2000-2008 Paxil for a situational depression 2008 - Paxil c/t Severe protracted WD syndrome ever since; improving “The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once” Albert Einstein "Add signature to your profile. This way we can help you even better!" Surviving Antidepressants And, above all, ... keep walking. Just keep walking. Link to comment
Healing Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Or, should I even say, moving up the levels may happen... thanks to the lack of the physical homeostasis as a way of compensating things. Yes, this is the mystical paradox of this neuro damage / neuro healing. The utter dismantlement of us at the most basic level of human needs creates unprecedented need *and* opportunity for new, unconventional developments at the other levels. This is how the shamanic initiatory illnesses work. Nothing you're familiar with works any more. You're forced to look outside the box. You *permit* yourself to look outside your upbringing. Claudius -- note that the Maslovian levels parallel the chakras. And you know you can work on different chakras at the same time. 1996-97 - Paxil x 9 months, tapered, suffered 8 months withdrawal but didn't know it was withdrawal, so... 1998-2001 - Zoloft, tapered, again unwittingly went into withdrawal, so... 2002-03 - Paxil x 20 months, developed severe headaches, so... Sep 03 - May 05 - Paxil taper took 20 months, severe physical, moderate psychological symptoms Sep 03 - Jun 05 - took Prozac to help with Paxil taper - not recommended Jul 05 to date - post-taper, severe psychological, moderate physical symptoms, improving very slowly Link to comment
Roads Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I think this kind of disintegration, of dismantlement of the being is an unbelievable opportunity. Personally, the distress and chaos I am coping with led me to a curious state of self-consciousness. Paradoxically, I have the impression I have not lived so intensely, so desperately intensely. I am released from myself, from the being shaped by circumstances and chance. Just like I had awoken, awoken by the pain. I think this ordeal will enable me to build myself, instead of being built. I deem pain is the salutary tremor that awakes the being and enable him to escape determinism, and build him in the most healthy and functional way. It is up to us to make pain not a disfiguration, but a refinement. I may fail, but I thank fate for having given me the opportunity to become somebody. I am in gestation. First AD -sertraline- in 2007at the age of 13 because of child abuse 2009-2013: intricate story of multiple wds, meds and cts, gradually became a living mess Feb 2013: last CT from a cocktail of four drugs, symptoms are relenting but witness a constant sharpening of the brain Link to comment
Punarbhava Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I think this kind of disintegration, of dismantlement of the being is an unbelievable opportunity. Personally, the distress and chaos I am coping with led me to a curious state of self-consciousness. Paradoxically, I have the impression I have not lived so intensely, so desperately intensely. I am released from myself, from the being shaped by circumstances and chance. Just like I had awoken, awoken by the pain. I think this ordeal will enable me to build myself, instead of being built. I deem pain is the salutary tremor that awakes the being and enable him to escape determinism, and build him in the most healthy and functional way. It is up to us to make pain not a disfiguration, but a refinement. I may fail, but I thank fate for having given me the opportunity to become somebody. I am in gestation. Wow Myx0.... Profoundly Beautiful!! I am very moved by your post and thus, I thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. Like you, I've come to realize much of the same and there is a sense of liberation that can result when we are stripped of all the unhealthy and unnecessary ego-based beliefs and behaviors. This is when we become in touch with our authentic core and thus, learn pure reverence for ourselves, others and life in general. BTW, you seem to have too much awareness to fail and thus, you will succeed! Many blessings and much healing to you on your sacred journey. Punar To Face My Trials with "The Grace of a Woman Rather Than the Grief of a Child". (quote section by Veronica A. Shoffstall) Be Not Afraid of Growing Slowly. Be Afraid of Only Standing Still. (Chinese Proverb) I Create and Build Empowerment Within Each Time I Choose to Face A Fear, Sit with it and Ask Myself, "What Do I Need to Learn?" Link to comment
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