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After Reinstating or Updosing, How Long To Stabilize?


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#37 SaltedGingkoNuts

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:23 AM

That's definitely my hope. -Tim
10 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac Jan. 2009-Nov. 2012
Went COLD TURKEY Nov. 2012-March 2013
.05-1 mg daily Lorazepam March 2013-April 2013
After approximately 21 days, stopped COLD TURKEY
Doctor put me on 20 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac as of 4/25/13
I decided to jump down to 10 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac as of 5/08/13
Will stay here for a few months, then taper to ZERO!!



I am not a medical practitioner, any advice I give comes from my own experience and research and is only my perspective

#38 Altostrata

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:39 PM

Salted, I moved your latest long post, which was more of a journal entry, to your Intro topic http://survivinganti...sri-withdrawal/
This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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#39 cmusic

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 05:47 PM

What if a person reinstates and is having bad side effects? In my case I reinstated Prozac at 5mg and have been in it for a month and a half. I am getting severe burning and sensitivity in the palms of my hands, feet, forearms, neck, and face. I can't be completely sure it's the Prozac since I was on a low dose of Remeron with it. But if I need to get off again am I now stuck with enduring this hell through a slow taper?

Started on Zoloft in 2002
Switched to Lexapro in 2005
Switched to Prozac in 2008
Off Prozac abruptly in 2010 (a mistake) - crashed
Lexapro end of 2010 - didn't work
Effexor until 2012 - roller coaster from hell
Back to Prozac November 2012 - one last rise and fall
Quit Prozac 01/13

Reinstated Prozac 5mg 05/13
Trial of 7.5 Remeron for one month 06/13, then off

Off Lamictal 06/13

Quit benzos 06/13

 

Reduced to 4mg Prozac 8/15/13

 


#40 Altostrata

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 11:11 AM

When you reduce dosage, side effects usually decrease. You might try reducing the Prozac slightly to see if it's causing your symptoms.

 

It could be Prozac is reacting with another drug you're taking. Use the interactions checker at http://www.drugs.com...is is possible.


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#41 SaltedGingkoNuts

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:11 AM

If you've been off months, it might take months before you stabilize.  

I think I'm learning this the hard way - and with only a small dosage of Prozac too. After reinstatement it's been a relatively comfortable number of weeks - thinking I've completely stabilized. Then, WHAMMO! a miserable week. So dizzy right now, it's hard to type. . . 


10 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac Jan. 2009-Nov. 2012
Went COLD TURKEY Nov. 2012-March 2013
.05-1 mg daily Lorazepam March 2013-April 2013
After approximately 21 days, stopped COLD TURKEY
Doctor put me on 20 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac as of 4/25/13
I decided to jump down to 10 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac as of 5/08/13
Will stay here for a few months, then taper to ZERO!!



I am not a medical practitioner, any advice I give comes from my own experience and research and is only my perspective

#42 basildev

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 01:52 PM

Hang in there Salted. Many of us have taken months as opposed to weeks to stabilize.


July 2001 prescribed 20mg citalopram for depression;
On and off meds from 2003-2006.
February 2006 back on 20mg citalopram and stayed on it until my last attempt at tapering in September 2011.
By far the worst withdrawal symptoms ever. Reinstated to 20mg citalopram
October 2012 - found this forum!
Nov 2012 to Feb 2013 did 10% taper, got doen to 11mg - was going great until stressful situation. Cortisol levels hit the roof, hideous insomnia forced me to updose to 20mg.
March 2016 - close to 100% back to normal!



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#43 SaltedGingkoNuts

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 04:27 PM

Thank-you basildev.

After feeling 'normal' for awhile, it's just hard to go backwards a bit.

Of course, I'll do my best to hang in there. Besides, what are our options? = to keep on!!

-Salted


10 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac Jan. 2009-Nov. 2012
Went COLD TURKEY Nov. 2012-March 2013
.05-1 mg daily Lorazepam March 2013-April 2013
After approximately 21 days, stopped COLD TURKEY
Doctor put me on 20 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac as of 4/25/13
I decided to jump down to 10 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac as of 5/08/13
Will stay here for a few months, then taper to ZERO!!



I am not a medical practitioner, any advice I give comes from my own experience and research and is only my perspective

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 07:54 AM

Salted: I am new here and just read your full story. Omigosh!! While I am not glad that anyone else has suffered from w/d, I am relieved to be in good company. Sounds like our histories are similar in some respects, having been prescribed Prozac and a benzo; learning what these drugs actually were; and then trying to get off. I am your age and also have an incredible spouse and, like your wife, am wrestling with menopause and unwanted side effects from long-term Prozac use (which I chalked up to aging and family-of-origin issues). Am also very interested, when I return to work after a hiatus, in using my writing/editing skills for Type II diabetes info/education!

 

I am on way to beach tomorrow for a family vacation where there will be huge amounts of junk food and alcohol among our beloved twenty-somethings. Am resolving to walk every morning and look up some good mocktail recipes for evening treats. It's not easy with all these temptations, is it? :P


Prozac 20 mg/daily since 1995

July 19, 2013, initial cut to 15 mg; Aug. 2 updosed to 18 mg; Aug. 19, to 16.2 mg
Held at 2.52 ml/day Jan. 11-April 16, 2014
April 16, 2014, cut to 2.40 ml/day
Dec. 29, 2014, 1.84 ml/day, and held there almost six months
June 23, 2015, 1.75ml/day; July 21, 2015, 1.70 ml/day
Aug. 13, 2015, 1.60 ml/day

Feb. 7, 2016, .7 ml/day; April 26, 2016, .6 ml/day

 

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#45 SaltedGingkoNuts

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 05:14 PM

It's been forever since I've checked in. Have been strongly considering beginning my taper now. I've honestly been scared to try as I don't want to go through the HELL I went through before.  Hopefully, with the help from my holistic doctor, I can finally rid myself of this nightmare . . .

 

-Tim 


10 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac Jan. 2009-Nov. 2012
Went COLD TURKEY Nov. 2012-March 2013
.05-1 mg daily Lorazepam March 2013-April 2013
After approximately 21 days, stopped COLD TURKEY
Doctor put me on 20 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac as of 4/25/13
I decided to jump down to 10 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac as of 5/08/13
Will stay here for a few months, then taper to ZERO!!



I am not a medical practitioner, any advice I give comes from my own experience and research and is only my perspective

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 06:07 PM

Hi Tim, welcome back.  You were one of the first people to welcome me when I joined here, and then you disappeared, I'm happy to hear that you are ready to begin your taper.  Try not to worry, by tapering slowly this time, and with the help and support here, I'm sure it will be much easier this time.

 

Here are our Prozac tapering tips:

http://survivinganti...zac-fluoxetine/

 

And here is the link to your original introduction/update thread:

 

http://survivinganti...sri-withdrawal/


I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

 

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 06:39 PM

Hello Friend:
I finally feel ready. Thanks for your support!
Blessings, -Tim
10 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac Jan. 2009-Nov. 2012
Went COLD TURKEY Nov. 2012-March 2013
.05-1 mg daily Lorazepam March 2013-April 2013
After approximately 21 days, stopped COLD TURKEY
Doctor put me on 20 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac as of 4/25/13
I decided to jump down to 10 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac as of 5/08/13
Will stay here for a few months, then taper to ZERO!!



I am not a medical practitioner, any advice I give comes from my own experience and research and is only my perspective

#48 LexAnger

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 09:09 PM

Hi Tim, so you have been on 20 mg Prozac since April 2013? How have you been and any other changes?
<p>2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg, first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, slight improvement with pain2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR2016 Feb., started fast taper for the drug toxicity caused by the one dose of 4.2mg, dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, sliding Down to 0.13mg by 2/13, then 0.07mg since 2/18, 0.06mg 2/20-3/17, 0.13mg 3/18

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 09:38 PM

I've actually been on 10 mg for many months now. I toughed it out to get there and I'd like to taper to zero. I might do 7.5 for a month or two, then titrate down 2.5 more for a couple of months, etc. until I can reach zero. My holistic doctor is guiding me.
10 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac Jan. 2009-Nov. 2012
Went COLD TURKEY Nov. 2012-March 2013
.05-1 mg daily Lorazepam March 2013-April 2013
After approximately 21 days, stopped COLD TURKEY
Doctor put me on 20 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac as of 4/25/13
I decided to jump down to 10 mg daily Fluoxetine/Prozac as of 5/08/13
Will stay here for a few months, then taper to ZERO!!



I am not a medical practitioner, any advice I give comes from my own experience and research and is only my perspective

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Posted 28 January 2015 - 01:53 AM

SGN, please consider the taper we recommend, 10% of your current dose at a time.

 

It can actually be relatively painless. It doesn't have to be hell.


Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease" as I was told. Long and tragic story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything.

 

Now tapering, ironically (but not surprisingly) healthier and more functional than I ever was during the years on the "meds," even with withdrawal (usually fairly mild at this slow pace).

 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 14 2011:   86 mg Neurontin   144 Lamictal,    5.5 Celexa   0.42 Xanax      1.9 mg Valium

Feb 16 2012:   10 mg Neurontin   115 Lamictal     3.7 Celexa   0.285 Xanax     2.0 Valium

Feb 22 2013:   86 Lamictal    2.05 Celexa       0.23 Xanax      1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

Now:                43                    0.625                 0.0775            1.3

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.


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Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:45 AM

I've actually been on 10 mg for many months now. I toughed it out to get there and I'd like to taper to zero. I might do 7.5 for a month or two, then titrate down 2.5 more for a couple of months, etc. until I can reach zero. My holistic doctor is guiding me.

 

Agree with Rhi.. The '10% rule' worked for me, and as long as I keep to... 'reduce by 10% of the previous dose, hold for a month'.. my quality of life is not negatively impacted.  I don't think holistic docs understand tapering any more than regular MDs. I just went to a seminar given by a naturopath.. she thinks a healthy life style is key to being able to reduce rapidly, or even CT.. I'd hate to see how many unfortunate souls she has left in her wake. The 10% route has been a life saver for me.  Mercifully, I came to a site similar to SurvivingADs before I'd sensitized my CNS, so in that regard I'm fortunate. Every day now I'm thankful to have learned about the slow but sure route..

 

Although it may seem counter intuitive, we need to take even more care reducing from lower doses.  It's

is usually easier to taper from higher doses and often folks can move along a little faster, but the lower you go, the more the need for caution.


As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 04:38 PM

Hi,

 

I posted here back in August when I was in the middle of a horrible withdrawal from CT of Prozac. Due to the advice of those on here I decided to reinstate despite being so adamant I would never again when i at first was taken off.

I decided it made sense to go back on and then attempt a proper withdrawal. I reinstated in August and around October I was more or less stabilizing with some lingering anxiety and lack of appetite sticking around til about November. I still get pins and needles which is weird but perhaps common? I decided to see a Naturopath who seems to have some experience with helping people taper and made a plan for me to taper...however my pdoc refused to give me the prescription for the liquid as he felt it was far too soon to even consider it. (This is the doctor who thought cold turkey would be no problem) His basis for refusal is that when someone experiences a depression (him calling it that still irks me) their likelihood of experiencing once in the year after is exponentially high and so that me not waiting a year would be foolish. Now I am beyond frightened to mess with anything that could lead me to where I was and part of me thinks maybe my body does more time after going through some an upheaval not even 6 months ago...but at the same time I am eager to start the process of TRYING to rid my body of this poison.

I guess I am just asking for the opinion of the people who HAVE dealt with this...because as we all know...the medical community seems to know very little!!

 

Thanks!!


Put on Prozac 40 mg around the age of 11 (1996) (Paxil started for a short time prior to Prozac)

Clomipramine was used for a few years until I stopped taking it around age 16 or so...no w/d that i recall

Prozac consistently until 5 years ago when I tapered off (i did no research and just took one pill every other day for about a month) crashed hard two months later.

Reinstated to 40 mg.

May 2014 Pdoc suggested coming off CT and assured me it was fine due to half life...(I should have known better!!)

End of June 2014: Physical symptoms started..dizziness, pins and needles...followed by emotional symptoms in July and hitting the lowest point in August 2015...reinstated to 10 mg, then up to 30 mg, stabilized around October-November 2014.


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Posted 30 January 2015 - 05:10 PM

Hey, Itee.  Tapering's been on my mind too lately.  The question of when to begin a taper is personal and difficult, especially after having had a frightening withdrawal experience.  I've waited two years since withdrawal started, and I have yet to begin or plan my taper.  Like you, I worry about ending up back in the hell that was earlier withdrawal.  And I worry also about the effects of continuing to stay on the drug.  It's a tough situation we find ourselves in.  

 

Can I ask what your Naturopath's tapering plan is?  I would consider changing your pdoc if I were you, they sound dismissive and unhelpful.  

 

I'm sure someone who's taken the taper plunge will come around and share their experiences, just thought I'd try to commiserate a little.  

 

P.S. Here is another thread on the same topic:

http://survivinganti...eginning-taper/
 


3 Years 150 mgs Effexor
2 month taper down to zero
3 terrible weeks at zero
Back up to 75 mgs
2 months at 75
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3 month taper back to zero
1 HORRENDOUS week at zero
2 days back up to 37.5
3 days back up to 75
One week at 150 - unable to stabilize.
Back down to 75 mgs
At 75 mgs (half original dose) and suffering withdrawal symptoms since October 2012.

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 05:12 PM

I think going back on and tapering slowly was a good idea. My experience with doctors is that they are woefully uninformed and probably what they profess to know

about prozac (and other drugs) comes largely from the pharma companies. The big drug companies and doctors are the people that got us into this bad situation. I agree with you: it's crucialto get your information from people who have personal experience of getting off these drugs. The administrators are especially knowledgeable and helpful. We are all in this together. It's hard but we can do it.


On 20 mg of Prozac for about ten years. Sept 2012 started reducing 10% a drop using gram scale, with average of one month holds.

When I'd reached the half way mark, taking 10 mg  powder out of the 20 mg capsules, I switched over to 10 mg capsules and cutting

down from those. Withdrawals got harder the lower I dropped.  May 2013 changed to 5% drops, holding until all withdrawal symptoms gone.

January 2015 changed to liquid prozac (concentration of 20MG per 5 mL) using a 1mL oral syringe.

Current dose of fluoxetine solution equivalent 3.4 mg. Any effort to drop below this has been disastrous so for the time being I'm staying at this level.
Adding 200 mg Tryptophan and 200 GABA a day has helped with anxiety.
Also take 1,300mg Omega- 3,  875mg  Magnesium, 1800mg Curcumin, 1000mg Vit C, 5000 Vit D.
 

 


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Posted 30 January 2015 - 05:28 PM

Thanks for your responses!

 

Narcissus: It is SUCH  a frustrating situation..and to be honest its on my mind every single day now. Not only was the experience of w/d so unbelievably hellish (as everyone here knows) but now I feel trapped. :(

The naturopath has suggested a bunch of supplements which I started taking anways..magnesium/taurine, vitamin c, b complex and omega 3's. His tapering schedule I think (once i decide to be brave and try it) is a bit fast for my liking now...he suggests a 4 mg dose decrease (about every 5-6 weeks) in the span of 29 weeks. 

When my pdoc saw that he dismissed it and said he would do it much longer...(i think i would too but i find it a bit comical that after cold turkey taking me off he now thinks i should go SUPER slow..hindsight sure is 20/20!!

I haven't seen him in 2 months as to be honest I A) Don't trust him anymore and B) I associate him now with the hell I was in.

To be honest, I am a bit sick of pdocs in general...I am in the situation I am in because of lazy pdocs who saw a kid dealing with sh*tty life circumstances and instead of talking gave her a pill. Since then every pdoc I have seen tries to put me on different meds..."try this one! its great!"....makes me sick.

 

 

Indigo: You're spot on that Dr's are incredibly uniformed. I am pretty sure my general physician thinks the theory of a serotonin imbalance causing depression/anxiety is still valid. I am almost positive when i ask her for a prescription for liquid prozac she is going to try and tell me why I should stay on it for life and why its OK. Its almost like most doctors assume patients will just listen to anything they are told and not research things on their own. I don't know about you but I find the fact that after reinstatement/stabilization people usually assume "see, you needed the pill..u feel better now don't u?" That pisses me off so much and I always want to say to those people "So would the heroin addict need the heroin too if they felt "better" when they were given it again?"  But..ofcourse nobody sees it that way. :angry:


Put on Prozac 40 mg around the age of 11 (1996) (Paxil started for a short time prior to Prozac)

Clomipramine was used for a few years until I stopped taking it around age 16 or so...no w/d that i recall

Prozac consistently until 5 years ago when I tapered off (i did no research and just took one pill every other day for about a month) crashed hard two months later.

Reinstated to 40 mg.

May 2014 Pdoc suggested coming off CT and assured me it was fine due to half life...(I should have known better!!)

End of June 2014: Physical symptoms started..dizziness, pins and needles...followed by emotional symptoms in July and hitting the lowest point in August 2015...reinstated to 10 mg, then up to 30 mg, stabilized around October-November 2014.


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Posted 30 January 2015 - 05:53 PM

Itee, I too reinstated last fall and am now stable at 30mg of prozac. Unfortunately I'm beginning to encounter some of the side effects that had been alleviated at lower doses. For that reason the idea of beginning to taper has been dancing in my head as well. Theres a part of me that's pretty scared to start, but another part that's angry and wants to show I can do it and live without it! Granted, it'll be a few years before I'm free of it since I'm planing an ultra-slow taper this go round.
1988-2012: Prozac @ 60mg to treat an eating disorder. Several unsuccessful attempts to discontinue.Fall 2012: Failed attempt to discontinue then -> 40mg Prozac and added 150mg Wellbutrin.Late summer 2013:Began slower Prozac taper.Spring 2014:Got to 10mg Prozac, 75mg of Wellbutrin -April 2014: 9mg Prozac & 37.5mg Wellbutrin 2x/day -> 9mg Prozac & 25 mg Wellbutrin 2x/day->9mg Prozac 1x/day & ~8mg Wellbutrin 2x/day -> 8.1mg Prozac, 0 WellbutrinSept '14: 8.1mg Prozac -> crashed hardOct '14: 10mg ProzacNov '14: 20mg -> 30mgDec '14: 30mg, Feb 10: 27mg. Mar 7: 25mg Mar 21, 2015: 20mg. May 21, 2016: 20mg and holding strong.

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 05:54 PM

 

 

 the fact that after reinstatement/stabilization people usually assume "see, you needed the pill..u feel better now don't u?" That pisses me off so much and I always want to say to those people "So would the heroin addict need the heroin too if they felt "better" when they were given it again?"  But..ofcourse nobody sees it that way. :angry:

 

So true. I tried to get off prozac repeatedly by following my doctors advice to take one every other day, then every three days etc. Of course  wheniver I tried that, it played havoc with my brain, and I had to go back to original dose. Eventually went to see a psychiatrist for help getting off prozac. He saw no reason to quit if it was working for me.Why not stay on it. It was only after I found this forum and the Icarus Project online that I found any real information and support.


On 20 mg of Prozac for about ten years. Sept 2012 started reducing 10% a drop using gram scale, with average of one month holds.

When I'd reached the half way mark, taking 10 mg  powder out of the 20 mg capsules, I switched over to 10 mg capsules and cutting

down from those. Withdrawals got harder the lower I dropped.  May 2013 changed to 5% drops, holding until all withdrawal symptoms gone.

January 2015 changed to liquid prozac (concentration of 20MG per 5 mL) using a 1mL oral syringe.

Current dose of fluoxetine solution equivalent 3.4 mg. Any effort to drop below this has been disastrous so for the time being I'm staying at this level.
Adding 200 mg Tryptophan and 200 GABA a day has helped with anxiety.
Also take 1,300mg Omega- 3,  875mg  Magnesium, 1800mg Curcumin, 1000mg Vit C, 5000 Vit D.
 

 


#58 ltee84

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 06:04 PM

Itee, I too reinstated last fall and am now stable at 30mg of prozac. Unfortunately I'm beginning to encounter some of the side effects that had been alleviated at lower doses. For that reason the idea of beginning to taper has been dancing in my head as well. Theres a part of me that's pretty scared to start, but another part that's angry and wants to show I can do it and live without it! Granted, it'll be a few years before I'm free of it since I'm planing an ultra-slow taper this go round.

 Yep same boat... the fear but yet the anger and wanting to do it is a pull i feel daily. What side effects have you gotten since reinstating?


Put on Prozac 40 mg around the age of 11 (1996) (Paxil started for a short time prior to Prozac)

Clomipramine was used for a few years until I stopped taking it around age 16 or so...no w/d that i recall

Prozac consistently until 5 years ago when I tapered off (i did no research and just took one pill every other day for about a month) crashed hard two months later.

Reinstated to 40 mg.

May 2014 Pdoc suggested coming off CT and assured me it was fine due to half life...(I should have known better!!)

End of June 2014: Physical symptoms started..dizziness, pins and needles...followed by emotional symptoms in July and hitting the lowest point in August 2015...reinstated to 10 mg, then up to 30 mg, stabilized around October-November 2014.


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Posted 30 January 2015 - 06:05 PM

 

 

 

 the fact that after reinstatement/stabilization people usually assume "see, you needed the pill..u feel better now don't u?" That pisses me off so much and I always want to say to those people "So would the heroin addict need the heroin too if they felt "better" when they were given it again?"  But..ofcourse nobody sees it that way. :angry:

 

So true. I tried to get off prozac repeatedly by following my doctors advice to take one every other day, then every three days etc. Of course  wheniver I tried that, it played havoc with my brain, and I had to go back to original dose. Eventually went to see a psychiatrist for help getting off prozac. He saw no reason to quit if it was working for me.Why not stay on it. It was only after I found this forum and the Icarus Project online that I found any real information and support.

 

Yes...i love that skewed logic most people seem to have...with that logic I have NO idea why narcotics like cocaine and heroin are looked down upon.


Put on Prozac 40 mg around the age of 11 (1996) (Paxil started for a short time prior to Prozac)

Clomipramine was used for a few years until I stopped taking it around age 16 or so...no w/d that i recall

Prozac consistently until 5 years ago when I tapered off (i did no research and just took one pill every other day for about a month) crashed hard two months later.

Reinstated to 40 mg.

May 2014 Pdoc suggested coming off CT and assured me it was fine due to half life...(I should have known better!!)

End of June 2014: Physical symptoms started..dizziness, pins and needles...followed by emotional symptoms in July and hitting the lowest point in August 2015...reinstated to 10 mg, then up to 30 mg, stabilized around October-November 2014.


#60 Addax

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 06:14 PM

I'm going to update my thread this weekend. It will include my description of the side effects emerging. Thankfully the are relatively mild and tolerable as compared to how they were on higher doses.
1988-2012: Prozac @ 60mg to treat an eating disorder. Several unsuccessful attempts to discontinue.Fall 2012: Failed attempt to discontinue then -> 40mg Prozac and added 150mg Wellbutrin.Late summer 2013:Began slower Prozac taper.Spring 2014:Got to 10mg Prozac, 75mg of Wellbutrin -April 2014: 9mg Prozac & 37.5mg Wellbutrin 2x/day -> 9mg Prozac & 25 mg Wellbutrin 2x/day->9mg Prozac 1x/day & ~8mg Wellbutrin 2x/day -> 8.1mg Prozac, 0 WellbutrinSept '14: 8.1mg Prozac -> crashed hardOct '14: 10mg ProzacNov '14: 20mg -> 30mgDec '14: 30mg, Feb 10: 27mg. Mar 7: 25mg Mar 21, 2015: 20mg. May 21, 2016: 20mg and holding strong.

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Posted 31 January 2015 - 02:19 PM

hello! I just thought I might be able to offer some insight. I had a terrible poop out while on Effexor, I didnt realize thats what it was 9and of course my Dr said I needed more effexor and kept doping me up). Updosing made things better for a few weeks and then I crashed harder, still being ignorant and trusting my Dr, i updosed once more and within a week was having suicidal thoughts and racing terrifying unreality and anxiety. From there I did a 3 month taper off nearly 300mg Effexor, and started 20mg of Cipralex, suffered immensely for 2 months then tried Celexa, suffered for 2 months then tried Paxil...still hanging by a thread I managed to find some online support and learned what was happening. So at that point I waited. After about 3-4 months in this waiting game, i noticed I was starting to feel better. Not 100%, but much better. I then began my taper. I tapered by 10% of my dose every 4-8 weeks. I dont think I was fully stable when I started my taper, because over the last 3 years of this taper, i have experienced typical windows and waves, as anyone else who had cold turleyed or rapidly tapered and remained off. i was of the mindset that i may never "fully stabilize" as clearly my CNS had been shaken by the previous years experience, and until I was off comepletely I would continue to have at least *some* symptoms. So here i am....now at 1.5 mg of Paxil, from 20mg and it has taken 3 years. My waves are very mild and short now. In fact my biggest complaint is anhedonia, and terrible PMS. Not bad considering where I came from (deaths door) 3-4 years ago. Unless you feel horrid, I think at some point its best to just get on with your taper, and move forward with it by listening to your body. Its totally do-able! Good luck.


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Effexor 75mg to 262.5mg 2005-2010 for post partum depression

Started having poop out mid 2010, also switched generic brands, then crashed in Dec 2010 (anxiety/ "terror", intense DR, anhedonia, suicidal ideation, chills, insomnia, horrible intrusive thoughts, disorientation, ect)
Rapid "tapered" from 262.5mg Effexor in 3 months

Tried Celexa,Cipralex, then Paxil to deal with wd(this switching made things worse and added akathesia)

Found online support and started tapering Paxil 7 months after quitting Effexor (at this point was having small windows).

Paxil taper: dropped 10% every 4-8 weeks

Year 1 October 2011 to Nov 2012 20mg to 10mg

Year 2 March 2013 to Feb 2014 10mg to 4mg

Year 3 April 2014 to May 2015 4mg to 1.1mg

Year 4 June 2015 1.1mg , dropping by 10% until .5mg, after then dropped by 0.1mg every 5 weeks until 0.1mg.

Finished! Official last dose of 0.1mg on June 15/16


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Posted 01 February 2015 - 02:02 PM

I had a lot of things that were physical, chills, shaking hands and knees, dizzy swooshy feelings, akathesia, diarhea, and it resolved. What happened was, it took 4 months for that to resolve while i waited on the 20mg Paxil...and when it resolved i began my taper...but a few months later it came back again, but milder. It would continue to do this for the next 18 months, milder each time until it never came back at all. Then i settled into more of an anhedonic/irritated stage that was steady. I still get waves...but they are very slight, and mainly include a bit of elevated anxiety/depression (mild) and some DR...but its usually after I taper, and only lasts a few days. But that physical stuff never came back, its been gone for at least 2 years now!


2 Timothy 1-7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Effexor 75mg to 262.5mg 2005-2010 for post partum depression

Started having poop out mid 2010, also switched generic brands, then crashed in Dec 2010 (anxiety/ "terror", intense DR, anhedonia, suicidal ideation, chills, insomnia, horrible intrusive thoughts, disorientation, ect)
Rapid "tapered" from 262.5mg Effexor in 3 months

Tried Celexa,Cipralex, then Paxil to deal with wd(this switching made things worse and added akathesia)

Found online support and started tapering Paxil 7 months after quitting Effexor (at this point was having small windows).

Paxil taper: dropped 10% every 4-8 weeks

Year 1 October 2011 to Nov 2012 20mg to 10mg

Year 2 March 2013 to Feb 2014 10mg to 4mg

Year 3 April 2014 to May 2015 4mg to 1.1mg

Year 4 June 2015 1.1mg , dropping by 10% until .5mg, after then dropped by 0.1mg every 5 weeks until 0.1mg.

Finished! Official last dose of 0.1mg on June 15/16


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Posted 16 June 2015 - 07:54 AM

I posted this question in my intro blog, but I've been considering up dosing back to my original dose of 20 mg (currently taking 15, felt fine for 2 months, now experiencing withdraw. I know now from reading on here that I tapered too much, too fast. That's why i'm considering the up dose, so I can start to taper 10 % after well stabilized). Is 2 1\2 months too long a time for me to up dose to 20mg?
1987-1988 - severe depression after 4th child, was put on a med that has since discontinued, but worked (don't remember the name)
1993 - Zoloft, no success
1993 - 1999 - Prozac (with Zoloft for sleteping), stopped meds cause got pregnant, no extreme withdrawal, then after baby was born back on Prozac
1999 - quit Prozac, cold turkey, no withdrawal
2002 - Cymbalta, no success
2002 - present - Lexapro, 20 mil, Xanex, as needed for anxiety, Ambien, 12.5 mil, Quit Xanex a couple of months after starting Lexapro
2014 - stopped ambien
March 2015- started weaning off of Lexapro, ( down 15 from 20). 2 months in starting to experience withdrawal symptoms of depression, some anxiety and heart palpitations. General malaise. Going to try to continue w/o increasing

#64 nick1990

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 07:25 PM

Obviously there is a difference between the two - But how different really are they?  I have read on here that re-instating a drug from "0" is best done as soon as symptoms appear.  Does the same apply for up dosing? It is also commonly said that re-instating from "0" sometimes does not relieve symptoms. Does the same apply for up dosing , or are symptoms more commonly relieved when up dosing? And have you found relief of symptoms quite some time after up dosing? or is up dosing symptom relief fairly instant?


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Cold switch Mirtazapine 2011 - Crash - Back to Citalopram 60mg. Recover within few weeks.

Slowly over couple years drop to 50mg. No real WD.

June 2015 drop to 45mg . Tiny hiccup about a week later - recover within a day. July 2015 drop to 40mg. 1 week later MASSIVE Anxiety/Panic/Confusion/Irritation. Try to ride it out for nearly 3 months. Does improve very slightly , windows longer but still not pleasant. Intense Anxiety though. Back to 45mg October 2015- immediately tired, drowsy, fuzzy and cloudy. Anxiety improves but still there 1 week on. November 2016 - Resumed taper. 1% decrease weekly approx.  44.5mg November 2016. Jan 2017 42.5 mg. March 2017 40 mg.


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Posted 16 October 2015 - 09:01 PM

Hi Nick--  easy questions with not so easy answers.  Have you read the thread on reinstatement?  About reinstating and stabilizing to reduce withdrawal symptom

 

Reinstatement and updosing serve the same purpose, that is to try and reduce symptoms that are unbearable.  Reinstatement is to start taking the drug again after a person has stopped taking it all together, where as updosing is to increase the dose a small amount while still in the process of tapering off of a drug.

 

Doing a reinstatement is time sensitive and like you stated, the sooner the better after symptoms appear.  However, reinstatement is a rather drastic move and not to be done lightly.  These drugs are very powerful and if they are not tapered properly they can leave the brain in a very sensitized state.  Many people who are suffering intense symptoms after reaching "0" are in this sensitized state and the reintroduction of the drug can make it worse.  Also the sever symptoms frequently don't show up for several months after the drug has been stopped.  Which adds in even more risk factors.  Reinstating a very small amount, say 2mg for example, often will help take the edge off of the symptoms, but a higher dose could just throw the brain into more chaos.  We don't often recommend a reinstatement, but when we do it is always at a very low dose with the proviso of "and see what happens".

 

Updosing is never advised when symptoms just show up.  Because that's what symptoms do.  With every change in dosage the brain has to readjust and rebuild and that will cause symptoms, which can take several weeks to stabilize.  Which is why we recommend such small decreases, to minimize them.  Updosing is considered when the symptoms from a decrease have reached the unbearable level, which is an indication that the drop was too large or too soon.

 

There is no guarantee that either a reinstatement or an updose will elevate symptoms and the bad part is that it can take several weeks before you know.

 

That's the nutshell version.  


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

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#66 nick1990

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Posted 17 October 2015 - 01:00 AM

Brassmonkey- thank you for that detailed response . One lingering question - if there is no improvement of symptoms from updose/ reinstatement after a few weeks, would it be safe to assume that withdrawal symptoms will improve/ diminish over time ?

Started Citalopram in 2004 or 2005 (aged 14 or 15) for apparent "OCD" - 60mg -

Cold switch Mirtazapine 2011 - Crash - Back to Citalopram 60mg. Recover within few weeks.

Slowly over couple years drop to 50mg. No real WD.

June 2015 drop to 45mg . Tiny hiccup about a week later - recover within a day. July 2015 drop to 40mg. 1 week later MASSIVE Anxiety/Panic/Confusion/Irritation. Try to ride it out for nearly 3 months. Does improve very slightly , windows longer but still not pleasant. Intense Anxiety though. Back to 45mg October 2015- immediately tired, drowsy, fuzzy and cloudy. Anxiety improves but still there 1 week on. November 2016 - Resumed taper. 1% decrease weekly approx.  44.5mg November 2016. Jan 2017 42.5 mg. March 2017 40 mg.


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Posted 17 October 2015 - 08:42 AM

I have yet to see someones symptoms NOT improve over time.  Even the worst cases eventually sort themselves out.  Everything else is just trying to keep ourselves functional/comfortable while we let the time pass.

 

Give your updose another month or so and you should be stabilizing by them.  Give the stability a month or so to really take affect then you can start your 5% taper.  You're on the right track.


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

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Posted 17 October 2015 - 11:54 AM

Hi Nick,

I have had to updose several times in my taper - i get massive anxiety too if my cut is either too much or not enough time between cuts and i have a catch up going on.  For me, the anxiety does not go completely until about 4 weeks.  Looking back there is usually a gradual reduction but it doesn't really feel like that at the time.  One day i will wake up and it will be gone, and i know it's gone - I just FEEL different, difficult to explain.

 

Hang on, it will get better!


Started in 2000 - On 150mg most of the time, (but up to 225mg at highest dose for 6 months in the beginning)
Reduced off easily first time - but got depressed (not too much anxiety) 6 months later
Back on effexor for another 9 months.
Reduced off again with no immediate w/d - suddenly got depressed and anxious ++ again 3 or 4 months later.
Back on effexor - this time for 3 years
Reduced off over a month - 6 weeks later terrible anxiety - back on.
Rinse and repeat 4 more times - each time the period before the anxiety comes back got shorter and shorter
Jan - July 2012 75mg down to 37.5mg;, 8/3/12 - 35mg. 8/25/12 - 32mg. 9/11- 28mg, 10/2 - 25mg, 10/29 - 22mg, 11/19 - 19.8mg; 12/11 - 17m,
1/1- 15.5mg; 1/22 -14mg, 2/7 14.9mg, 2/18 - 17.8mg - crashed big time: back to 75mg where i sat for 2 years....

4th  March 2015 - 67.5mg;   31st March - 60mg;  24th April - 53mg; 13th May - 48mg; 26th May - 45mg;  9th June - 41mg; 1 July- 37.5mg; 20 July - 34mg; 11 August - 31mg; 1st Sept - 28mg;  1st Dec - 25.8mg;  28th Dec - 23.2mg; 23rd Jan-21.9mg; Feb 7th- 21mg; March 1st - 20.1mg, March 30th - 18mg


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 10:21 AM

Please see next posts.


2004-2015 Valium tapered off: 10% per week without any wd sx's except for one month insomnia after taper complete

2004-2015 Cymbalta 20mg/d No problems at all with Cymbalta, I just wanted to get off of all meds.  Nov, 25 2015 CT 20mg/d Cymbalta (194 beads)   

Jan 2016 Reinstated 20mg/d Cymbalta (194 beads) 5 weeks after CT. FEB 2016 STARTED Valium 25mg/d for CT Cymbalta wd sxs - TERRIBLE move.

Jan-April 2016 Held Cymbalta 20mg/d for 4 months. All wd sx's gone, except: 4/10 AM anxiety 9-1:30, 2/10 tinnitus & 2-4 AM waking then back to sleep. 

April 21 2016 my CT sx's had not resolved. Prematurely CUT -Cymbalta 20-18mg (194-19 = 175 beads), bad move, but my AM anxiety resolved, so I thought we were doing the right thing, May 21, 2016 cut to (158 beads) 16mg-stable,

July 04, 2016 cut to (143 beads) 14.5mg and had 10/10 wd sx's  Anxiety, Anhedonia, Anorexia, Fear, dysphoria, could not go back to sleep after 1:30 AM wake-up.

Nov 29th 2016 UPDOSED (41 beads) Cymbalta to full 20mg (194 bead) all sxs except tinnitus virtually gone. 

I plan to stay on 20mg/d Cymbalta.  Doing very well until started tapering Valium see below.

Valium taper - Jan 1, 2017 28mg-3mg=25mg.   March 11, 2017 25mg-2mg=23mMay 15 2017 23mg-2mg=21mg Supplements: Fish oil and Spray on Magnesium

http://survivinganti...key-withdrawal/  Benzo Posts http://survivinganti...ta-wd-symptoms/

 

 


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 10:42 AM

It takes 3-4 days for a dosage change to reach steady-state in your bloodstream. You may not feel the entire effect until then. This is a good topic for others to see, too, basildev. Your experience could be a good example (I hope) of fine-tuning dosage when updosing.

 

Are sx's such as, anhedonia and loss of appetite some of the sx's which generally take 3-4 four days to feel a positive effect from when updosing?


2004-2015 Valium tapered off: 10% per week without any wd sx's except for one month insomnia after taper complete

2004-2015 Cymbalta 20mg/d No problems at all with Cymbalta, I just wanted to get off of all meds.  Nov, 25 2015 CT 20mg/d Cymbalta (194 beads)   

Jan 2016 Reinstated 20mg/d Cymbalta (194 beads) 5 weeks after CT. FEB 2016 STARTED Valium 25mg/d for CT Cymbalta wd sxs - TERRIBLE move.

Jan-April 2016 Held Cymbalta 20mg/d for 4 months. All wd sx's gone, except: 4/10 AM anxiety 9-1:30, 2/10 tinnitus & 2-4 AM waking then back to sleep. 

April 21 2016 my CT sx's had not resolved. Prematurely CUT -Cymbalta 20-18mg (194-19 = 175 beads), bad move, but my AM anxiety resolved, so I thought we were doing the right thing, May 21, 2016 cut to (158 beads) 16mg-stable,

July 04, 2016 cut to (143 beads) 14.5mg and had 10/10 wd sx's  Anxiety, Anhedonia, Anorexia, Fear, dysphoria, could not go back to sleep after 1:30 AM wake-up.

Nov 29th 2016 UPDOSED (41 beads) Cymbalta to full 20mg (194 bead) all sxs except tinnitus virtually gone. 

I plan to stay on 20mg/d Cymbalta.  Doing very well until started tapering Valium see below.

Valium taper - Jan 1, 2017 28mg-3mg=25mg.   March 11, 2017 25mg-2mg=23mMay 15 2017 23mg-2mg=21mg Supplements: Fish oil and Spray on Magnesium

http://survivinganti...key-withdrawal/  Benzo Posts http://survivinganti...ta-wd-symptoms/

 

 


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 10:45 AM

I have yet to see someones symptoms NOT improve over time.  Even the worst cases eventually sort themselves out.  Everything else is just trying to keep ourselves functional/comfortable while we let the time pass.

 

Give your updose another month or so and you should be stabilizing by them.  Give the stability a month or so to really take affect then you can start your 5% taper.  You're on the right track.

 

Hi Brass,

Is anxiety generally the symptom which takes at least 3-4 weeks to get relief from when udosing?


2004-2015 Valium tapered off: 10% per week without any wd sx's except for one month insomnia after taper complete

2004-2015 Cymbalta 20mg/d No problems at all with Cymbalta, I just wanted to get off of all meds.  Nov, 25 2015 CT 20mg/d Cymbalta (194 beads)   

Jan 2016 Reinstated 20mg/d Cymbalta (194 beads) 5 weeks after CT. FEB 2016 STARTED Valium 25mg/d for CT Cymbalta wd sxs - TERRIBLE move.

Jan-April 2016 Held Cymbalta 20mg/d for 4 months. All wd sx's gone, except: 4/10 AM anxiety 9-1:30, 2/10 tinnitus & 2-4 AM waking then back to sleep. 

April 21 2016 my CT sx's had not resolved. Prematurely CUT -Cymbalta 20-18mg (194-19 = 175 beads), bad move, but my AM anxiety resolved, so I thought we were doing the right thing, May 21, 2016 cut to (158 beads) 16mg-stable,

July 04, 2016 cut to (143 beads) 14.5mg and had 10/10 wd sx's  Anxiety, Anhedonia, Anorexia, Fear, dysphoria, could not go back to sleep after 1:30 AM wake-up.

Nov 29th 2016 UPDOSED (41 beads) Cymbalta to full 20mg (194 bead) all sxs except tinnitus virtually gone. 

I plan to stay on 20mg/d Cymbalta.  Doing very well until started tapering Valium see below.

Valium taper - Jan 1, 2017 28mg-3mg=25mg.   March 11, 2017 25mg-2mg=23mMay 15 2017 23mg-2mg=21mg Supplements: Fish oil and Spray on Magnesium

http://survivinganti...key-withdrawal/  Benzo Posts http://survivinganti...ta-wd-symptoms/

 

 


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 09:51 PM

 

I have yet to see someones symptoms NOT improve over time.  Even the worst cases eventually sort themselves out.  Everything else is just trying to keep ourselves functional/comfortable while we let the time pass.

 

Give your updose another month or so and you should be stabilizing by them.  Give the stability a month or so to really take affect then you can start your 5% taper.  You're on the right track.

 

Hi Brass,

Is anxiety generally the symptom which takes at least 3-4 weeks to get relief from when udosing?

 

 

This really depends on the person and on how unstable you were. In my experience, it can take several weeks for an updose to alleviate symptoms, but I feel some improvement within days.

 

On the other hand, people who were very unstable for longer periods of time may take months to stabilize completely.

 

So it doesn't depend so much on the type of symptom. It depends more on the person and on how long you had been unstable...


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  • 04/2015: Prozac decreased to 15mg over last 3 months; effexor held steady at 8mg; current effexor XR: 20 beads of a 75mg capsule per day (about 8mg)
  • 06/2015: Prozac: 10mg; effexor XR: 19 beads (about 7.5mg); 07/2015: Prozac: 8.5mg; effexor 18 beads; 08/2015: Prozac: 7.5mg; effexor: 17 beads
  • End of August: withdrawal: depressive symptoms, crying spells. Realized I was measuring prozac dose wrong for the last 2 months. Reinstated Prozac 8.5mg; Kept effexor at 17 beads. Stabilized in 5 weeks.
  • 10/2015: Prozac: 8.5mg; effexor: 17 beads
  • 11/2015: Prozac: 1.9ml (7.5mg); effexor: 16 beads
  • 12/2015: Prozac: 1.6ml; effexor xr: 16 beads. Withdrawal: neuroemotions
  • 01/2016: prozac: 1.6ml; effexor xr: reinstated 17 beads, withdrawal improved; 02/2016: Prozac 1.5ml; Effexor: 17 beads; 03/2016: Prozac 1.3ml(5mg); Effexor: 17 beads (7mg)-withdrawal (flu-like malaise, lightheaded, drowsy) started end of March. April 15: reinstated Prozac 1.5ml. Stabilized. 2 weeks ok. End of April: Withdrawal (neuroemotions). Eventually stabilized in April-May. Apathy improved.
  • 3 month hold until August. August 2016: apathy came back;

  • October 2016: updosed to Prozac 1.6ml. Bad reaction: anxiety, depression. End of October: went down Prozac 1.5ml. Stabilized over several weeks.

  • Dec 9: tried macca for energy: anxiety/depression. Improved over several weeks, but not completely resolved.

  • Dec 31: cut Effexor 5% to 16 beads. After 9 days: withdrawal anxiety, depression; tried updosing to 17 beads Feb 7 but anxiety got worse; went down to 16 beads

    May 2017: Anxiety improved; severe depression continues