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#73 Petunia

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 04:49 PM

From an article by Chris Kresser:

 

The idea that depression and other mental health conditions are caused by an imbalance of chemicals in the brain is so deeply ingrained in our psyche that it seems almost sacrilegious to question it.

 

In fact, the idea that low levels of serotonin cause depression has become so widespread that it’s not uncommon to hear people speak of the need to “boost their serotonin levels” through exercise, herbal supplements or even sexual activity. The “chemical imbalance” theory is so well established that it is now part of the popular lexicon.

 

However, there is one (rather large) problem with this theory: there is absolutely no evidence to support it. Recent reviews of the research have demonstrated no link between depression, or any other mental disorder, and an imbalance of chemicals in the brain.

 

Folks, at this point you might want to grab a cup of tea. It’s going to take a while to explain the history of this theory, why it is flawed, and how it continues to persist in light of the complete lack of evidence to support it. I will try to be as concise as possible, but there’s a lot of material to cover and a lot of propaganda I need to disabuse you of.

Ready? Let’s start with a bit of history.

 

The first antidepressant, iproniazid, was discovered by accident in 1952 after it was observed that some tubercular patients became euphoric when treated with this drug.....

 

The 'chemical imbalance' myth by Chris Kresser

 

 


I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

 

My Introduction Thread

 

Full Drug and Withdrawal History

 

Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety)

Xanax PRN

Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes animal25.gif

 

Supplements which seem to help:  High doses of Vitamin C, Magnesium, Garlic and Ginger.  Taurine, Vit D3, L-Theanine and Inositol. I'm one of the rare people who react badly to fish oil.

 

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

 

VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from?



VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made?



VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes?



VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects?

VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes

 

 

 


#74 Altostrata

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 04:54 PM

Good on Chris Kresser!


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#75 Petunia

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Posted 04 September 2015 - 04:10 PM

From: Depression Delusion: an introduction by the author, Terry Lynch, MD

 

...Global mental health, with psychiatry as its lead, is way off track. Steeped in its own biases and priorities, psychiatry and the drug industry has successfully convinced the public that psychiatric diagnoses are primarily biological. Although the biology of psychiatric diagnoses has been researched intensely for well over 50 years, nothing definite has shown up. The idea that psychiatric diagnoses are fundamentally biological has become accepted as truth, as established fact. Yet there is not a shred of reliable scientific evidence to verify this belief, upon which the entire global system of mental health understanding and treatment—in “developed” countries, at least—is based. There are of course some physical elements to all experiences.

 

The psychiatry-led approach to mental health is fundamentally faith-based rather than evidence-based, since there is no actual evidence to support the fundamental conviction of this system—that biology is the core and most important consideration in mental health. Just as there is no evidence on a global scale to support the biologically dominated psychiatric model of mental health, doctors have no way of confirming any biological abnormalities in their consultations with individual people.

 

As a group, psychiatrists and GPs have a grossly inadequate training in and therefore understanding of human emotionality and psychology. Consequently, their evaluation of people’s experiences is seriously compromised. Their perceived and self-promoted level of understanding and expertise greatly exceeds their actual level of understanding and expertise.

 

Psychiatry’s position as the top source of expertise in global mental health is based on their perceived and self-promoted level of understanding and expertise. If based on their actual level of expertise, psychiatry would not at all merit this dominant position.

 

Their evaluations are further distorted because of their biases, to which most are blind. In particular, their bias toward biology—primarily biological “problems” requiring primarily biological solutions. It is out of this biological bias that the “brain chemical imbalance” arose. It fitted with the medical preference for biology, and benefitted the medical profession enormously. It sounded impressive and persuasive. But it was—and is—false.

 

The medical profession has played a very major part in creating and maintaining widespread false beliefs about depression and brain chemical imbalances within the public mind.

 

One of the ironies in mental health globally is the dominance of a psychiatric system that has no scientific underpinnings to its core beliefs, yet other features that are virtually always present are routinely missed or undervalued with this system. This regrettable paradox occurs because  doctors are not adequately trained to identify these features, proper recognition of these features would inevitably result in public questioning of the psychiatric model, so doctors don’t want to go there.

 

There features are (1) trauma/woundedness; (2) distress in its many forms, caused by trauma/woundedness; (3) defense mechanisms and coping strategies that we humans may put in place to minimize further wounding and distress, and to reduce our contact with woundedness and distress already experiences from which we have disconnected; (4) our patterns of choice-making, which are often greatly influenced by the previous 3 features. None of these issues are fundamentally biological.

 

Trauma/woundedness, distress and defense mechanisms are at the heart of mental health problems. I don’t believe biologically biased psychiatry can or will ever acknowledge this reality. Therefore, the current system is incapable of being what it should be, what the public assume it to be—an independent unbiased system whose only priority is to provide the best service possible for the people they serve. This is a very serious matter. Society’s focus on mental health is just plain wrong...

 

...Antidepressants do not work by correcting brain chemical imbalances. Such claims should never have been made by the medical profession, since the so-called “imbalances” have never even been demonstrated to exist. Any doctor who tells a depressed patient that they have a chemical imbalance, and that antidepressants will correct this imbalance, is misleading their patient, whether intentionally or not. Misinforming people in such a fundamental way about the nature of depression and the mode of action of medication raises major issues about informed consent to treatment...

 

Read more here:  http://beyondmeds.co...delusion-intro/

 

 


I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

 

My Introduction Thread

 

Full Drug and Withdrawal History

 

Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety)

Xanax PRN

Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes animal25.gif

 

Supplements which seem to help:  High doses of Vitamin C, Magnesium, Garlic and Ginger.  Taurine, Vit D3, L-Theanine and Inositol. I'm one of the rare people who react badly to fish oil.

 

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

 

VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from?



VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made?



VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes?



VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects?

VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes

 

 

 


#76 LoveandLight

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Posted 04 September 2015 - 04:28 PM

Yes major issues about consent to treatment, indeed..

Argh!
2000 - sertraline for job anxiety low confidence (17 years old) ..which turned the next 16 years into nightmare!

On/off sertraline severe withdrawals every time. 2014 - felt better as reduced dose of sertraline no more inner restlessness. Doctor rushed off again. Hit severe withdrawal. Lost the little I had in life. Couldn't get stable again on 12.5mg. Was switched to prozac. Had severe reaction to prozac..came off in November 2015 at 6mg as felt more confused and damaged on it..Even more withdrawal ..rage, depression, dyphoria, near constant suicidal ideation, self harm impulses, doom, concrete block in head, unable to do much of anything with this feeling in head..went back on 6mg of sertraline to see if would alleviate anything. It didn't..reduced from December to June 2016 came off at 2.5mg sertraline as was hospitalised for the severe rage, suicidal impulses, and put on 50mg lofepramine which in 2nd week reduced all symptoms but gave insomnia which still have..psych stopped lofepramine cold turkey..no increased withdrawal symptoms new symptoms from lofepramine except persistant insomnia which has as side effect.

Taking Ativan for 8 months for the severe rage self harm impulses 1-3 times a week (mostly 2 times a week) at .5mg. Two months (I'm unsure exactly when the interdose started to happen) ago interdose withdrawal seemed to happen..2 days I think after the Ativan.


Nightmare that could have been avoided!

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Posted 05 September 2015 - 09:52 AM

 

 

I think it's important to present not just studies that disprove the chemical imbalance theory, but also studies that support it. ..

 
I disagree very strongly. See What will get you warned or banned http://survivinganti...rned-or-banned/

 

There really is no need to iterate the "chemical imbalance" controversy on this site. The entire Internet is filled with propaganda from this 40-year  research fad. I don't want this site to be filled with it.

 

As I said before, if you want to find "evidence" supporting "chemical imbalance," there's plenty of it out there, Lilu. You can browse through it to your heart's content, but don't bring it back here. I don't want to spend one more minute of my time countering that stuff. There are plenty of books that do that well: The Emperor's New Drugs, Your Drug May Be Your Problem, Anatomy of an Epidemic, Bad Pharma, Pharmageddon,

 

Lilu, you do not have to justify a decision to continue psychiatric drug treatment on this site. You can continue to believe you have a diseased brain if you wish. If you think that's best for you, it's your decision.

 

But -- this is a site to support people going off drugs. That's why they come here. Please do not argue that others need to stay on drugs.

 

 

If you're going to present evidence and clinical studies, such as the ones cited on the link above, don't you think it would be fair to also let people know that there are studies that show the complete opposite?  I mean, I believed that author when he talked of studies that tried to induce depression by lowering tryptophan in people, but then when I did a search on Pubmed, I find evidence of the exact opposite.  

 

http://bjp.rcpsych.o.../178/5/399.long

Conclusions The findings that tryptophan depletion produces a relapse of symptoms in patients with depression and panic disorder who have responded to treatment with antidepressants suggests that enhanced 5-HT function is important in maintaining response in these conditions.

 

So what am I supposed to think?  If I am to trust the information on this website as "the real truth", I would like to know that it presents all the evidence, not just evidence that supports it's agenda.

 

Don't you think that would be most helpful for people trying to decide whether or not getting off antidepressants is right for them?  Or trying to find out what is the real cause of their mental illness?

 

 

This is a valid argument for a discussion of a legitimate scientific problem.  Unfortunately the chemical imbalance theory is equivalent to the theory that the world is flat.  Including it in any arguement is like inviting a three ringed circous into a scientific meeting and giving them equal attention to the presentations being offered.

 

ALL the papers presented to support the chemical imbalance theory are supported by Big Pharma.

 

Big pharma is run by very intelligent and capable administrative individuals who have made it their life's goal to sabatoge legitimate scientific inquiry for as long as they have had any say over psyciatric treatments.  The administrators in these organizatiosn are highly intelligent and capable people, those with MD's PhD's, MBA's, JD's from top institutions worlwide.  They decided to work for the dark side.  The peer review process and academia are NOT foolproof.  If you can get enough PhDs, MDs, and JD's in your pocketbook, you can begin to influence the nature of articles that are being published - and if you use that influence to gain more and more footholds, within a decade you can have unprecedented control over the information that is being sent to the world, press conferences, media, etc.  There's no doubt in my mind that these highly intelligent, and highly corrupted individuals planned this out very well back in the 1970's and 1980's, and they have profited enormously by rigging one of the more difficult systems in the world to rig:  academia, and the peer review process.  Today, the entire system is so utterly under their control, that one cannot step foot into a university without being bombarded by their propaganda and lies - all based on "peer reviewed literature".

 

I would recommend reading the book called Pharmageddon by David Healy, a University of California Press publication.  It's not an easy read, but it delinieates just how incredibly influencial and successful their sabotage tactics and manipulation/propaganda tactics have been.  They have literally rigged the entire peer-review process, deligitimizing much of clinical research over the past 50 years, and throwing into question the validity of many research articles. 

 

One cannot turn to the peer reviewed literature to offer a counter argument because it's rigged and full of manipulation, lies, and corruption.

 

It's truly breathtaking how well the pharmaceutical companies have managed to manipulate academia and research.  It's no wonder that many doctors and academics have no idea that these drugs are harmful, because when they go to google scholar and read peer reviewed journals, they are bombareded with ghostwritten articles, in which the parent company refuses to release the raw data - and therefore has complete control over the information being given to the public.

 

This single website, SA is one of the only bastions of truth out there on the internet and in the public in general.  If SA dies, so does a great deal of truth regarding the dangers posed by psychiatric medication.  The only other one I can think of with any sway and influence is CEP:   http://cepuk.org/


8 Words of Wisdom about Adverse Effects and Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal Syndrome:

 

1.  Please do learn about this condition by thoroughly reading 1) Dr. Healy's website and SurvivingAntidepressants.

2.  Please read books like: 1) Anatomy of An Epidemic and 2) Mad in America.

3.  Success Stories do exist.

4.  Please be extremely cautious about reinstatements, recreational drugs, supplements.  Even low doses can complicate matters.

5.  Transfer all financial assets into your own name (hint: relationships end).  Do not spend money wastefully.  Keep your job as long as possible.

6.  Psychiatric drug "withdrawal" and adverse effects are serious neurological reactions to powerful "drugs" - do not take this condition lightly.

7.  These conditions almost never recognized by any medical doctors - hospitalization/appointments can be futile/potentially injurious.

8.  PSSD, anhedonia (no emotions), memory loss, brain zaps, etc are scary - don't worsen them by taking more drugs, supplements, and medications.

 

Stimulant free since September 20th, 2014; SSRI free since September 1st, 2013


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Posted 05 September 2015 - 10:01 AM

Discuss to your heart's content on other Internet sites, not this one.


Edited by Altostrata, 05 September 2015 - 03:23 PM.
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Posted 05 September 2015 - 10:49 AM

Doctors, pharmaceutical companies and other sufferers all propagate the myths. It's so hard to believe that so many people can be wrong...particularly when these people are plausible, in authority and we trust them.

Lilu, I understand why you want a balanced argument. I know many intelligent people (2 of them friends and fellow teachers with relatives with similar issues, who completely buy into the biological argument). I have learned not to argue with them. They look at me as if I'm the deluded one...and I probably do the same to them.

When I went through therapy one of the things I learned to do was to challenge beliefs I held which I had applied false evidence to. One of these was my belief that there was familial mental illness in my history.

I'd seen the evidence, internalised it and had then transferred it onto my own situation and that of my sons too. It was a conviction which was very hard to shake and it has taken far more than listening to others to shake my belief. I had to examine it in the light of my own experiences, my own research...and ultimately, my own recovery.

Maybe, as you go through your own journey towards recovery you will find out what really rings true for you.

We can't change your mind for you. We can only present our opinions, experiences and the evidence we have found which reinforces our own beliefs.

I took Lexapro like you. I thought I needed it. I thought I was depressed and it was the only solution. I thought my family were all suffering similarly and there was no escape from it.

You know what? I finally found out that I was wrong....but went through a whole load of damage in the process by taking a drug to deal with my beliefs.

I would hate that to happen to anyone else....including you....but ultimately, it's your journey of discovery.

Please take care
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5 yrs on Escitalopram 10mg, 2 week taper resulting in serious protracted w/d
Cardiac and autonomic nervous system w/d effects resulted in hospital admission - low & erratic pulse
Re-instated to 10mg Citalopram after several months - bit better
Tapered after 6 months (2008) over 3 months using liquid drops - gave up when w/d started at 2 mg as didn't know better.
Cardiac symptoms - no improvement - pacemaker implanted.
Placed on corticosteroid for autonomic nervous system issue - caused deep depression/suicidal thoughts on top of w/d symptoms
Placed back on Citalopram 10mg for 12 months - 2009/10
Taken off - 2 week taper again - worse w/d, paranoia and intense anxiety developed. Referred to psychiatry
Placed back on Citalopram 10mg - 2012 - refused higher dose
Taken off after 6 months - 2 week taper again - serious anxiety, dissociation, in a mess
Therapist, peer support and education on psych drug w/d got me through more serious w/drawal effects.
Drug free since 2012, but still have bradycardia, recently tachycardia and pacemaker plus minor legacy effects. No MH symptoms

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Posted 05 September 2015 - 11:50 AM

I had this fun convo with my mom's friend yesterday. She told me I probably need to go back on the meds cause I may have a chemical imbalance. People have been brainwashed
Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th Clonazapam. Currently 0.10mg daily. PPI Dexlant 20-30mg for last 29 months currently at 30mg

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Posted 05 September 2015 - 11:55 AM

Forget even about the chemical balance myth. Look at what doctors and the average dieticians tell us to eat. People like Chris Kresser seem to know but the majority don't. 80% of the population are absolutely clueless and I was one of them until this whole nightmare began
Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th Clonazapam. Currently 0.10mg daily. PPI Dexlant 20-30mg for last 29 months currently at 30mg

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Posted 06 September 2015 - 08:09 AM

I think that we need to remember that in the wider world our beliefs about the myth of chemical imbalance are in the minority.

I remember my GP saying to me, "so many people cannot be wrong about what is happening to you"

My response was, "they can if they're all reading from the same book and the information it contains is incorrect....." and that's the essence of it really. Most people don't scratch the surface or look any further than the first few answers that they google or the facts as seen by their peers. The chemical imbalance theory has been ingrained, re-inforced and disseminated to all and sundry including professionals.

Trying to make inroads into that tide of misinformation feels like trying to hold back a tsunami at times.
5 yrs on Escitalopram 10mg, 2 week taper resulting in serious protracted w/d
Cardiac and autonomic nervous system w/d effects resulted in hospital admission - low & erratic pulse
Re-instated to 10mg Citalopram after several months - bit better
Tapered after 6 months (2008) over 3 months using liquid drops - gave up when w/d started at 2 mg as didn't know better.
Cardiac symptoms - no improvement - pacemaker implanted.
Placed on corticosteroid for autonomic nervous system issue - caused deep depression/suicidal thoughts on top of w/d symptoms
Placed back on Citalopram 10mg for 12 months - 2009/10
Taken off - 2 week taper again - worse w/d, paranoia and intense anxiety developed. Referred to psychiatry
Placed back on Citalopram 10mg - 2012 - refused higher dose
Taken off after 6 months - 2 week taper again - serious anxiety, dissociation, in a mess
Therapist, peer support and education on psych drug w/d got me through more serious w/drawal effects.
Drug free since 2012, but still have bradycardia, recently tachycardia and pacemaker plus minor legacy effects. No MH symptoms

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Posted 06 September 2015 - 08:03 PM

Marmite you are exactly right. Its this reason that I feel I have to avoid people . It gets me too angry to get into arguments with family ,friends etc... . I spend more time now around the people who understand my situation. Its unfortunate and I dont blame everyone for thinking the way they do.But Its like you said everybody is reading from the same book and therefore has the wrong information.


Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th Clonazapam. Currently 0.10mg daily. PPI Dexlant 20-30mg for last 29 months currently at 30mg

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Posted 19 October 2015 - 04:04 AM

I think that we need to remember that in the wider world our beliefs about the myth of chemical imbalance are in the minority.

I remember my GP saying to me, "so many people cannot be wrong about what is happening to you"

My response was, "they can if they're all reading from the same book and the information it contains is incorrect....." and that's the essence of it really. Most people don't scratch the surface or look any further than the first few answers that they google or the facts as seen by their peers. The chemical imbalance theory has been ingrained, re-inforced and disseminated to all and sundry including professionals.

Trying to make inroads into that tide of misinformation feels like trying to hold back a tsunami at times.

I guess your GP is ignorant about history in which so many people were wrong about a situation.   Or maybe he isn't and is just feeding you cr-p he knows is BS.

 

Anyway, gotta see my PCP today and If I get asked that S question as part of their routine screening, I would love to tell them what they could do with that question.   But I can't obviously.


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Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Diagnosed with sleep apnea 2012 and on pap machine

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Posted 21 October 2015 - 04:37 PM

Our "beliefs" about "chemical imbalance" are not in the minority. It is a fact the "chemical imbalance" theory is bogus.

 

Can we have a "balanced argument" about this? No, we cannot, any more than we can have a "balanced argument" about whether the earth is flat or global climate change is real. There is no controversy.

 

Vast numbers of people have been misinformed, as they have about so many things. If they don't question what they're told, they are intellectually limited.

 

Among doctors, belief in "chemical imbalance" is a real disgrace.


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Posted 21 October 2015 - 04:38 PM

Maybe the controversy will be examined by time and massive experimental trails. You did raise an informative opinion. I appreciate that. 

 

https://en.wikipedia...mical_imbalance

 

The "chemical imbalance" theory has been thoroughly studied and disproved, going back to the 1970s. Somebody needs to update Wikipedia.


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Posted 30 October 2015 - 12:33 PM

If anything antidepressants and other high powered meds cause a chemical imbalance 


Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th Clonazapam. Currently 0.10mg daily. PPI Dexlant 20-30mg for last 29 months currently at 30mg

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Posted 30 October 2015 - 12:41 PM

:)


Started with psycho meds circa 1988 I think 27 or 28 total.

AD's, antpsychotics, antiseizure mood stabilizers. Lithium, lamictal,benzos, and stimulants. Some med. for narcolepsy once?, Gabapentin........probably more.  Ask me?......I probably was on it.  Haphazard W/D's by Dr. recommend or uneducated self.

10/2014- off Lexapro--had been on highest dose 10 mg. then 5 mg. for a couple of years, went from 5 mg. to 3 mg. liquid and then CT in hospital(voluntary).  I got out of the hospital on a combination of low dose adderal salts x1/day and trileptal 150mg. x2/day.

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!

 

3/21/2016---I did some unwise updosing of trileptal/oxcarbazepine with some stressful stuff......doubled the above dose x2 during this last wave but began liquifying again and on approximately 68mg. starting today.  11/12//2016 24 mg. oxcarbazepine  12/9/2016 off oxcarbazepine/trileptal!!!! :) optimistic

Omega3's,EPA +DHA= approx. 1200/day. Magnesium citrate orally,diluted in a liter of H2O(that I can shake up.....it usually dissolves more completely as the water gets down to room temperature) and/or Epsom salt baths prn.   Vit. C and E.  B12, melatonin 3mcg., and bioidentical hormones sublingually.  Trace mineral drops.  L-lysine.  L-methylfolate=300 mcg. Totally ready for a good long window to hit soon and getting better strings of full days and partial days along the way.  Definite improvement overall since I first arrived on the SA survivor ship.  Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.

 


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Posted 20 February 2016 - 01:36 PM

ok, my question is this. We all at one point ended up in a psychiatrists office looking for relief. I know these drugs are dangerous, but doesnt how I ended up on them in the first place pose a question? So, you go through a withdrawal, but what about the problem I had that landed me on meds in the first place?

 

Antidepressant use does not always start in shrinks office to treat depression often the drugs are given for a pain and that is how I got railroaded into this messed up existence.  I was given prozac for pain and was told by the prescriber it was a new form of anti inflammatory.  I had taken anti inflammatory type drugs before and they never affected my mind.  One wk of prozac use had me in emerg suicidal too afraid to tell them of the hallucinations it caused.  

 

This was over 30 years ago and today these type drug are listed to treat many things off label as well as many things on label that have nothing to do with mental health.  I think the use of these drugs for pain was one of the wake up calls because they made so many people crazy.  Prozac is the most complained about drug in the history of drugs. 

 

When I was asked at emerg if i was taking any new drugs I told them an anti inflammatory the name I could not recall it was completely discounted... what did I get...more drugs that is what ... 20 years worth of antidepressants reactions wd ect I had no idea a drug could make a person crazy not a legal drug at least... I learned everything the hard way.  

 

So chemical imbalance from my research the term was make up by a marketing firm that serviced pharma and in a wink of an eye it caught on and scientists and shrinks all over the world were spewing nonsense with the general population eating it up... including the media.  

 

Prozac made the cover of Time!! 

 

Pharma's marketing for these drugs has always been fantastic too bad the drugs were not as good as they say... too bad they cause a chemical imbalance in the drug takers brain's... it is all really too bad a tragedy.  One day years from now history will document it as exactly that a global tragedy. 


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Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

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#90 direstraits

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 02:52 PM

I'll never forget when Prozac came out and watching The Phil Donahue Show, proclaiming the new breakthrough in antidepressants,with NO SIDE EFFECTS!what a bunch of BS...if it sounds too good to be true....


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#91 Julestheboy

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Posted 21 July 2016 - 11:49 PM

Psychiatric conditions that may be immune-system disorders in disguise!

http://www.theatlant...he-mind/485564/

 

This is a very interesting read! What they have found is a link between autoimmune issues and depression like symptoms.


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Posted 12 November 2016 - 05:49 AM

So this means I shouldn't trust my doctor who is saying the opposite?



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Posted 12 November 2016 - 11:30 AM

Blindly not trusting your doctor is no better than blindly trusting your doctor. Inform yourself.

 

To learn more about why the chemical imbalance theory was never credible, get your hands on Anatomy of an Epidemic by Robert Whitaker, an investigative journalist. You could also search for videos of his talks on youtube, or check the website madinamerica.com

 

Browse our Journals and scientific papers forum to find the work that has been done. link to Journals and scientific papers


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