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Petu and Flong,

 

Yes, after cutting 50% i felt immediate relief from high anxiety. A couple days later physical symptoms came in and lasted for 3 months. I proceeded to taper by 5-10% for couple months, then decided to do a much slower taper and psychological symptoms; anxiety, mood swings, daily headaches set in.

 

I'm frustrated that after doing a slow taper I still haven't had any relief.

 

Thanks for responding.

Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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Hi Lexy, I'm sorry you are still suffering so badly.  If I read it right ( and I often get it wrong! ) You carried on tapering while feeling withdrawal symptoms? I would hold a few weeks or even months longer before restarting your taper. I had to hold for 7 months, it seemed to go on forever, I would get a window and think that it was time for another cut, but then along came another wave to knock me off my feet. It's best to wait until a few weeks after the withdrawal has passed before another cut. This is just from my own experience of tapering effexor, it went fine until I was almost at the end then wham....full blown withdrawal. 

 

I hope you feel better real soon, withdrawal really is the pits  :(

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Thanks you all are amazing. People here are going through their own set of WDs and still have the kindness to reach out to others in need.

It's really uplifting to know when in the midst of despair I can come here and ask for help and someone will always be there.

THANK YOU

Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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I am so happy for you.Please reassure me Alex!I've been having anxiety lately...I was diagnosed with generalized anxiety. During WDs anxiety had been low but all of a sudden it's back. Idk if it's wds or if it's GAD. At 150mg anxiety shot up, however when I cut by 50% I felt better the next day.What are your thoughts? Could this be WDs?

 

 

Hi Lexy,

From your signature, it looks like you last made a cut 7 days ago, so what you are feeling now could very likely be withdrawal symptoms.

 

As I wrote before, perhaps the reason you felt some relief when dropping from 150mg to 75mg was because maybe 150mg was too high a dose for you.

 

Were you feeling stable and free from anxiety before you made the last cut, or were you still having symptoms?

 

As MammaP suggested above, if you are still having withdrawal symptoms, its not a good idea to make another cut, but wait until you feel well again, and then even wait a few more weeks, even if you have to hold for several months.

 

You also have the option of updosing slightly to the last dose you were on, and then holding for a good long while.  But if you have generally been feeling better and you only started to feel increased anxiety since your last cut 7 days ago, I would assume this is withdrawal and that it will pass soon.

 

Petu.

I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

My Introduction Thread

Full Drug and Withdrawal History

Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes

Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine

Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered

Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days.

April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close.

VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from?



VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made?



VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes?



VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects?

VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes

 

 

 

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Hey Lexy, you are very brave. I know the hell you are going through and I know it will get better for you, just think you only have to go through this once and once you are healthy there is no looking back. I think the only think that saved me from the worst effexor w/d was going on buspar after reducing. I felt that buspar that my w/d were really helped but now i am reducing off buspar and its not so bad. Take your time reducing, after every reduction usually comes a few days of not feeling well until you stabilize out. Are you walking everyday? That has been my godsent, you will feel so much better if you consistently exercise. Walking 30mins to a hour in nature makes such a difference with symptoms and a good omega fish oil in high doses. I hope you are doing well and keep in touch. Im not out of the woods yet but doing so much better after 6 years of effexor hell :)

2007-2012started Effexor xr 225mg -150mg- Varied2months of Taper,(March 22/2012 Off Med/in W/D)Currently No medicationMarch 22/2012- August 16/2012 - Totally Off Effexor( Rough Rough time) Reinstatement for a week(didn't work)****** New Doctor******* Very nice/helpful and in touch.Tried Zoloft- No successAUGUST 17/2012- STARTED 37.5 EFFEXOR FOR ONE WEEK - NOT GOOD < STOPPED.Started Buspar Oct 11th 2012----10 mg for the first 7 days and then 15mg a day---- Taking a new route----Racing thoughts - Gone.Oct 9th ( Done Zoloft,wellbutrin week project trial to feel better) - OFFICIALLY OFF ANTI DEPRESSANT !Oct 26 - Raised Buspar to 20mg a day- Tolerating wellJan 2nd 2013-

Reduce Buspar until full off march 20th 2015 Off all medication !

Tried natural supplements to no avail

Gluten/sugar free since december 2013

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Thanks Petu.

I made another cut 3 days ago, currently at 46.75mg. I am micro tapering every week by .25mg. Isn't that such a small decrease?

Earlier this year I was tapering at about 5-10% off and didn't have the psychological stuff going on. I was nauseous and dizzy but this is worse.

 

Thank you Mr.Anxious

I do need to incorporate excercise on a daily basis.

 

I hope you all have a Happy Thankgiving!

Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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Can anyone advise me...?

A couple days ago I vomited in the morning about 45 min after taking my morning dose. I looked up in the Internet if I should take my dose again, what I found was that I should not take a missed dose.

My Mother had said maybe only a 1/4 of the dose I threw up.

Well I didn't take it. Yesterday I had very bad mood swings, mostly depression all day.

Do you feel this was caused by vomiting up part of the morning dose?

 

What should I do when this happens again?

Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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All you can do is continue to be consistent with your dosing -- once a day.

 

You might wish to hold for a bit and let your nervous system settle. You may be able to get past the nausea as a withdrawal symptom.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Thanks Alto,

I will hold again.

As for future vomiting should I retake the pill again or just take the next regular nightly dose?

Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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Even though it can be absolute hell missing a dose, I find that accidentally doubling up a dose can be even worse. At least now that the drug isn't working for me anymore and I'm tapering off.

The first few years I was taking it and I accidentally took too much it was great! I felt awesome!!! But it's the opposite now. It can trigger sickness, panic attacks, insomnia, headaches, all the good stuff.

I can't advise you what to do, however, what I would do is take preventative measures most importantly. Make sure you don't take a dose too close to eating in the case your stomach decides it's a good idea to honk everything out.

And again, for me, it's way better to "maybe" have barfed out a dose than to accidentally take double doses.

2001 september - Effexor XR 75 mg, Seroquel 250 mg
2001 november - Effexor XR 150 mg
2003 - Replaced Seroquel with 20 mg Nozinan
2005 - Discontinued anti-psycotic medications for good
2009 january - Started having panic attacks
2009 - split 150 mg Effexor XR into 75 mg twice daily
2010 - Occasionally Clonazapam and Adivan for panic attacks
2012 - Realization that Effexor no longer works, and may even be having adverse reactions to it.
2012 October 18 - Begin slow taper (1 bead removed from each morning and evening 75mg capsule), February 18, 2013 - 140 beads per pill (X2 per day) (About 65%), 2013 November 16 - 70 beads per pill (X2 per day) (32.5%), 2014 September - 27 beads per pill (X2 per day) (12.5%) November 2 2015 - 1 bead per day (0.23% of original dose) and SLOWLY spacing doses out 25 hours, then 26, 28, currently 29hrs
November 2014 at 200mg Welbutrin

February 21st, 2016 - Last dose of Effexor forever

Monday, March 7, 2016 - Started decreasing Wellbutrin, currently at >25mg once a day

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Lexy, on 13 Dec 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

I've been stuck at 46-47mg for quite awhile. My headaches have improved, also mood swings, anxiety are a bit better. With your experience at the level I'm at should I hold longer? Should I hold longer and decrement a little more? I've been micro tapering and seem to be going sooo slooow.

 

 

Hi Lexy,

 

Given that you missed a dose through vomiting a couple of weeks ago and your symptoms are only 'a bit better', if I were you, I would hold a little longer.

I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

My Introduction Thread

Full Drug and Withdrawal History

Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes

Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine

Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered

Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days.

April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close.

VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from?



VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made?



VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes?



VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects?

VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes

 

 

 

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Lexy i just read through what you are going through. I can't believe how brave you are at such a young age. I can't give much advice but I wanted to say we all are rooting for you. I'm getting off Effexor Xr myself.  I'm proud of you! I was put on antidepressants when I was a teen too. I'm so glad you have your mom to lean on. You can do this!! Hugs. Sometimes when it gets tough I close my eyes and imagine being on the beach at summer feeling awesome and looking awesome and being healthy and happy and free of any pills. Idk if that sort of thing helps you <shrugs> just a thought. I have dealt with PTSD as well and one thing that really helped is when I would get a picture in my head that I hated of a time or place I would hold the picture in my head still, then make it black and white in my head, then visually crumble it up and put in in a trashcan in my head. Then light it on fire and dump the ashes in the wind. I did that repeatedly with any mental pictures that made me sad. Then I would meditate on good stuff. I have nooo idea if that is a good thing to do or not esp if you are working through things and you want to remember. But if not, that is what helped me. At any rate, just wanted you to know we are rooting for you.

Was on antidepressants since I was a teen. Got off Pristiq in Dec 2013. Completely off of all antidepressants in March 2014.


 


Currently taking: Xyrem 3g 2xs a night


 


Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/5353-pinkpeony-dont-let-me-go-it-alone-pristiq-100-50-tomorrow/

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You might want to consult a knowledgeable doctor about a switch to Prozac to get off Effexor.

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Alto

When I was on Prozac for a week (before effexor) I had to get off of it due to side effects. Mostly depression which lasted the whole time I was taking it. I am getting depression WDs now but it comes and goes. For the last 4 days I didn't have any mood swings until yesterday which lasted only a couple of hours. I've taken your advice and holding off taper until I stabilize after decreasing. I'd rather not make any changes for now. I am going through final exams and the holidays coming,I will think about trying Prozac in the future.

Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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Thank you Petu and pinkpeony,

 

I truly appreciate all words and advice from everyone here.

 

I do still need to deal with certain aspects of the PTSD. I used to be in denial and would just blow off the "bad pictures" that would come to me. I was too be busy trying to repair other people's views or thoughts of one bad moment in time that I did not stop to realize those thoughts or views were mine too. Someone asked me to write about the bad pictures which I did. Subsequently all the bad pictures came back all at once, tenfold.

 

My Mom tried to take me to counseling but she did not know that I had been talking to school counselor which at the time I was still in denial. I did not want to "talk about it" anymore. Instead I went to see my pediatrician who referred me to a so called doctor. I was weary about taking meds but I was too weak to deny them. The rest is in my signature.

 

What I do believe in 100% is GOD accepts everyone flaws and all. That's what I have to work on, to accept myself 100% flaws and all.

 

I will get there.

We will get better.

Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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You can try Wellbutrin while coming off Effexor too.

Here's my humble opinion though...depression on one thing. It's awful, debilitating, horrible thing to go through. But what's even worse (for me) is trying to deal with the drugs that help with it. I am nearing the end of my saga with psych meds (I hope), and once I have them out of my system, I would rather be dead than to have to live another day trying to deal with balancing how these poisons ravage my own brain chemistry.

May sound pessimistic, but really, there are alternatives to battling depression than anti-depressant medications, and I intend to start exploring those as soon as I am done with Effexor. For example, THIS forum has helped me understand things more than most doctors, and certainly way more than I could myself.

2001 september - Effexor XR 75 mg, Seroquel 250 mg
2001 november - Effexor XR 150 mg
2003 - Replaced Seroquel with 20 mg Nozinan
2005 - Discontinued anti-psycotic medications for good
2009 january - Started having panic attacks
2009 - split 150 mg Effexor XR into 75 mg twice daily
2010 - Occasionally Clonazapam and Adivan for panic attacks
2012 - Realization that Effexor no longer works, and may even be having adverse reactions to it.
2012 October 18 - Begin slow taper (1 bead removed from each morning and evening 75mg capsule), February 18, 2013 - 140 beads per pill (X2 per day) (About 65%), 2013 November 16 - 70 beads per pill (X2 per day) (32.5%), 2014 September - 27 beads per pill (X2 per day) (12.5%) November 2 2015 - 1 bead per day (0.23% of original dose) and SLOWLY spacing doses out 25 hours, then 26, 28, currently 29hrs
November 2014 at 200mg Welbutrin

February 21st, 2016 - Last dose of Effexor forever

Monday, March 7, 2016 - Started decreasing Wellbutrin, currently at >25mg once a day

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I haven't seen Wellbutrin being a reliable bridge off any antidepressant. It tends to cause nervousness and sleep disruption.

 

I agree, withdrawal syndrome is a lot worse than mere emotional "depression."

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My doctor says he bridges people off Effexor to Wellbutrin quite often. Whether it works or not is a different story. I am going to do whatever I can NOT to go this route. Like almost everybody on this forum, I am absolutely sick of psych medications.

2001 september - Effexor XR 75 mg, Seroquel 250 mg
2001 november - Effexor XR 150 mg
2003 - Replaced Seroquel with 20 mg Nozinan
2005 - Discontinued anti-psycotic medications for good
2009 january - Started having panic attacks
2009 - split 150 mg Effexor XR into 75 mg twice daily
2010 - Occasionally Clonazapam and Adivan for panic attacks
2012 - Realization that Effexor no longer works, and may even be having adverse reactions to it.
2012 October 18 - Begin slow taper (1 bead removed from each morning and evening 75mg capsule), February 18, 2013 - 140 beads per pill (X2 per day) (About 65%), 2013 November 16 - 70 beads per pill (X2 per day) (32.5%), 2014 September - 27 beads per pill (X2 per day) (12.5%) November 2 2015 - 1 bead per day (0.23% of original dose) and SLOWLY spacing doses out 25 hours, then 26, 28, currently 29hrs
November 2014 at 200mg Welbutrin

February 21st, 2016 - Last dose of Effexor forever

Monday, March 7, 2016 - Started decreasing Wellbutrin, currently at >25mg once a day

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What the heck am I doing wrong??

 

For the last 6 months I've been micro tapering by .25 of a mg. Hold for 7 days.

I've been decreasing only by 1mg/monthly. That's about 2%. I did hold for the month of Oct. Although WDs have been

Getting less intense they are still with me:

Nausea, vomiting, headaches, mood swings, fatigue, etc.

I've been feeling dizzy for the past week. Vomiting occurs in the mornings,

Headaches come in the afternoon, mood swings late afternoon, fatigue all day.

 

Take generic immediate release, break them up to take through out the day.

11mg - 8:30am

6mg - 11:00

11mg - 3:00pm

5mg - 7:30

12mg - 9:00pm

 

I will not switch or add any other med.

Is this really going to take YEARS?

Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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If you had a bad reaction to Prozac before, it's probably off the table.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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Happy New Year's !!

Best Wishes for Health & Happiness to ALL!

Hoping this year is better than last.

Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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I have a question.

How certain are you that you are administering the EXACT dose you are intending?

Because if there are any variables in your dosing, that could really mess things up for you.

Have you considered trying what I'm doing? Switching to Effexor XR with the uniform time-release beads? They're easy to count when you get used to it. I count out a dose for the morning and one in the evening. If you can find out the exact % you're on, you can count a few capsules out and get an average of how many beads are in each. And then you can count your own doses out, without the scale.

Just an idea. It just puts more control in your hands...I don't trust scales as much as I trust my own counting I guess.

Anyway, not that there's anything wrong with what you're doing!!! It's just something that's working for me personally.

2001 september - Effexor XR 75 mg, Seroquel 250 mg
2001 november - Effexor XR 150 mg
2003 - Replaced Seroquel with 20 mg Nozinan
2005 - Discontinued anti-psycotic medications for good
2009 january - Started having panic attacks
2009 - split 150 mg Effexor XR into 75 mg twice daily
2010 - Occasionally Clonazapam and Adivan for panic attacks
2012 - Realization that Effexor no longer works, and may even be having adverse reactions to it.
2012 October 18 - Begin slow taper (1 bead removed from each morning and evening 75mg capsule), February 18, 2013 - 140 beads per pill (X2 per day) (About 65%), 2013 November 16 - 70 beads per pill (X2 per day) (32.5%), 2014 September - 27 beads per pill (X2 per day) (12.5%) November 2 2015 - 1 bead per day (0.23% of original dose) and SLOWLY spacing doses out 25 hours, then 26, 28, currently 29hrs
November 2014 at 200mg Welbutrin

February 21st, 2016 - Last dose of Effexor forever

Monday, March 7, 2016 - Started decreasing Wellbutrin, currently at >25mg once a day

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Good point, flong.

 

Rather than switching to Effexor XR with beads, Lexy, you might want to make a liquid to measure more accurately.

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I have contemplated switching from generic tablet immediate release to brand name XR capsule. However I am afraid to make the switch. I am so sensitive that any change can be detrimental to my tapering ( not that its been easy anyway). I have thought about taking half of my dose in tablet and the the other half in brand XR and tapering off of them on to liquid.

 

Flong how will you get off the last bead if you have calculated one bead is .34mg? I don't know about you but that is too high of a drop at the end at least for me, since going down by .25 of a mg affects me.

My doctor would probably accept to do this since he seems to have thrown his hands up and does not know what else he can do for me (not that he ever did). Also i heard when one gets lower it's easier to make a liquid from the tablet.

There is no tablet form for the XR.

Although I'll probably try to get my prescription for a liquid suspension to make it easier on me.

 

I weigh the pill using a digital scale.

Each 25mg pill weighs .100, I take two pills

shave off the pills currently at .182 divide that by .200 and multiply that by 50 to get the mgs.

.182/.200= .91 x 50=45.50mg

Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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There is absolutely no advantage to tapering from Effexor XR. Making a liquid from regular Effexor allows more accurate tapering.

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Lexy, how often do you take Effexor?

 

I personally am a big fan of frequent dosing. My new dr. told me I HAD to cut down my 8 doses. I did, but I sure feel a lot worse (but I also switched to liquid which is equivalent to an uncontrolled drop).

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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Meimeiquist

 

I started on generic immediate pills and dr up dosed to 150mg on XR capsule.

When I cut 50% off (due to agoraphobia & high anxiety ) I went off the XR capsule and took only the immediate release 3/ 25mg. I would cut one tablet in half to make 5 doses a day in order to try to make it time release as the capsule.

 

Now that I am at 45.5mg I still take 5 doses throughout the day.

 

Am I understanding correctly? You did cut your 8 doses, and you switched to liquid form?

Are you taking the liquid in 8 doses?

 

Yes I've heard that in making a switch to liquid you should take it as another drop.

Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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I went from 8 powder doses to 5 liquid ones, same daily dosage. After I wrote you, I realized ONCE again I had done what the dr. said because the dr. said...I keep promising to stop that. So I am going to go back to my old ways tomorrow, just stick with liquid. For most of us, we have to go to liquid eventually. But it sounds like you are getting whatever benefit there is to frequent dosing, I just wish there was some way to get rid of your headache!

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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I just thought counting the XR beads might be a more accurate way. Though making the liquid could be even more accurate? I've never done it, so I don't know.

So when I get down to the last few beads it is very possible I will have to make the liquid. I have read (on this forum and elsewhere) that the last couple beads is the worst. Measuring out in liquid would almost certainly make it easier.

I just can't believe your scale is so accurate! The way I understood it, the cost of a scale that is accurate down to the hundredth of a mg would cost thousands. I am getting the feeling that I'm mistaken though. Can anybody clear this up?

2001 september - Effexor XR 75 mg, Seroquel 250 mg
2001 november - Effexor XR 150 mg
2003 - Replaced Seroquel with 20 mg Nozinan
2005 - Discontinued anti-psycotic medications for good
2009 january - Started having panic attacks
2009 - split 150 mg Effexor XR into 75 mg twice daily
2010 - Occasionally Clonazapam and Adivan for panic attacks
2012 - Realization that Effexor no longer works, and may even be having adverse reactions to it.
2012 October 18 - Begin slow taper (1 bead removed from each morning and evening 75mg capsule), February 18, 2013 - 140 beads per pill (X2 per day) (About 65%), 2013 November 16 - 70 beads per pill (X2 per day) (32.5%), 2014 September - 27 beads per pill (X2 per day) (12.5%) November 2 2015 - 1 bead per day (0.23% of original dose) and SLOWLY spacing doses out 25 hours, then 26, 28, currently 29hrs
November 2014 at 200mg Welbutrin

February 21st, 2016 - Last dose of Effexor forever

Monday, March 7, 2016 - Started decreasing Wellbutrin, currently at >25mg once a day

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Meimeiquist & Flong

 

After reading your replies, a light bulb went on.

I am weighing the pills to get 5 frequent doses of 45.25mg per day. Could it be that I need to be more precise in keeping a consistent Weight for each dose?

 

I take two 25mg pills each one weighs .100g I then break them in half (12.5mg). I take one half and break that into another half making it a quarter of a pill (6.25mg)

I shave off each half to reach .180=45.25mg

 

I am NOT weighing each half or quarters, I am weighing the total dose for the whole day.

I may not be consistent in each of the 5 doses, only for the whole day.

 

My dosing schedule is as follows:

 

8:30am - about a half

10:30am -about quarter

3:00pm - about half

8:00pn - about quarter

9:30 pm - about half

 

I say "about" because each dose is shaved off a little.

Should I try taking 3 daily doses/day instead of 5? In order to be more consistent in each weight?

 

Currently my main WD is dizziness and fatigue. Mood swings have subsided a little.

Any thoughts?

Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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Yes, using a liquid is more accurate and more flexible than counting beads.

 

Lexy, please strongly consider making a liquid to make your doses more accurate.

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Honestly, if my dose wavers even a tiny bit, I feel it. And I feel it in the same symptoms you're getting constantly.

My worry for you is that your dose isn't as accurate as you need it to be. Of course I don't know for sure, it's just a thought.

Maybe making the liquid like Alto suggests is something to seriously think about...I'll probably have to do it near the end of my taper too.

2001 september - Effexor XR 75 mg, Seroquel 250 mg
2001 november - Effexor XR 150 mg
2003 - Replaced Seroquel with 20 mg Nozinan
2005 - Discontinued anti-psycotic medications for good
2009 january - Started having panic attacks
2009 - split 150 mg Effexor XR into 75 mg twice daily
2010 - Occasionally Clonazapam and Adivan for panic attacks
2012 - Realization that Effexor no longer works, and may even be having adverse reactions to it.
2012 October 18 - Begin slow taper (1 bead removed from each morning and evening 75mg capsule), February 18, 2013 - 140 beads per pill (X2 per day) (About 65%), 2013 November 16 - 70 beads per pill (X2 per day) (32.5%), 2014 September - 27 beads per pill (X2 per day) (12.5%) November 2 2015 - 1 bead per day (0.23% of original dose) and SLOWLY spacing doses out 25 hours, then 26, 28, currently 29hrs
November 2014 at 200mg Welbutrin

February 21st, 2016 - Last dose of Effexor forever

Monday, March 7, 2016 - Started decreasing Wellbutrin, currently at >25mg once a day

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I had to go see the pysche doc today in order for him to renew my refills. I hadn't seen him since May. I try to prolong it as much as possible, but I did not have anymore of the ondansetron used for nausea. I only take it when needed.

 

First thing he asked me was, "How are you doing? Haven't seen you for a while" I replied," As I get lower on the effexor the more I feel like myself again". He replied condensendingly, " That's been my plan"

I just looked at him incredulously. I couldn't believe my ears.

I was the the one who decided to get off this crap. Back in 2012 he wanted me to stay on it longer or switch to lexapro.

 

He proceeded to ask me if I had friends? I told him well, Effexor doesn't give me the chance to have any kind of social life, Currently I'm feeling vertigo, and nauseous. He proceeded to ask what classes I was taking? I felt really frustrated and asked him how is this pertinent? He said there was a method to his madness I just replied EXACTLY, I've been going through it for more than a year!!

 

I'm just glad I don't have to see him for another 6 months.

Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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Wow. Your doc sounds useless.

If you're in the States, you're paying for doctor visits right? Or does your private insurer dictate who you go to? If it's all the same, could you get a new doctor? It sounds like basically any doctor will be better than the idiot you have now.

Even in Canada we get a wide range of choices. Doctors everywhere are different. Any GP will have their strengths and weaknesses. Finding a specialist (psychiatrist) MIGHT be better. Though I've seen my share of dumbasses over the years, as have most people in this forum I'm sure. I was just wondering about this stuff. I hope you're able to find somebody different to help you out. My psychiatrist couldn't be better. He knows exactly what I've been doing. He's gone to conferences all over the country to talk about issues like his patients tapering off anti-depressants. Anyway, I'm rambling.

2001 september - Effexor XR 75 mg, Seroquel 250 mg
2001 november - Effexor XR 150 mg
2003 - Replaced Seroquel with 20 mg Nozinan
2005 - Discontinued anti-psycotic medications for good
2009 january - Started having panic attacks
2009 - split 150 mg Effexor XR into 75 mg twice daily
2010 - Occasionally Clonazapam and Adivan for panic attacks
2012 - Realization that Effexor no longer works, and may even be having adverse reactions to it.
2012 October 18 - Begin slow taper (1 bead removed from each morning and evening 75mg capsule), February 18, 2013 - 140 beads per pill (X2 per day) (About 65%), 2013 November 16 - 70 beads per pill (X2 per day) (32.5%), 2014 September - 27 beads per pill (X2 per day) (12.5%) November 2 2015 - 1 bead per day (0.23% of original dose) and SLOWLY spacing doses out 25 hours, then 26, 28, currently 29hrs
November 2014 at 200mg Welbutrin

February 21st, 2016 - Last dose of Effexor forever

Monday, March 7, 2016 - Started decreasing Wellbutrin, currently at >25mg once a day

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No Flong you are not rambling.

 

I had to refrain myself from letting it all out... my Mother with all her wisdom told me to be careful in what I would say. He would label or diagnose with other disorders including anger issues and would have that in my file and could be detrimental and possibly could come and haunt me in the future.

 

We were referred to him by my pediatrician. From the time I was a toddler, I had had the same pediatrician and trusted his opinion.

 

I only see the dr for 15min appointments solely for the refills. I could probably seek a new dr but that would mean having to pay over $200 for the first appt. My parents have spent so much money already for something that never worked for me. Made me 100 times worse. I am able to attend school but i feel I should be working at least part time, however these WDs really disable me most days.

 

My family wanted to pay cash before because they were concerned i would be tagged with a pre existing illness and not qualify for future insurance. But now with the new health care act it is no longer a concern.

 

Your doctor seems to really understand all the repercussions of ADs.

 

Do you know of something that can help for dizziness? I've tried Dramamine which is a motion sickness medicine but doesn't help at all.

Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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My current doctor is amazing. I have seen some real dummies in the past, and have heard stories that were even worse.

The dizziness honestly only lasts a day or two at the most these days. The only time it lasts longer is if I decrease too quickly, then it can last almost a week at a time. The body and mind are usually pretty good at correcting things. Not always, but usually. Sometimes it takes longer depending on the circumstances.

You should really write down what led up to the worst symptoms. It's almost 100% it has something to do with Effexor, but there might be something else you're overlooking too, who knows?

I started keeping a log with my dosing last year. I write down my dose every day. Because of this, I found out that when you do a larger decrease, there are two onsets of horrible symptoms: One starting a few days after the decrease lasting about 5 days, and another one 15 days later lasting about a week. Just an example.

2001 september - Effexor XR 75 mg, Seroquel 250 mg
2001 november - Effexor XR 150 mg
2003 - Replaced Seroquel with 20 mg Nozinan
2005 - Discontinued anti-psycotic medications for good
2009 january - Started having panic attacks
2009 - split 150 mg Effexor XR into 75 mg twice daily
2010 - Occasionally Clonazapam and Adivan for panic attacks
2012 - Realization that Effexor no longer works, and may even be having adverse reactions to it.
2012 October 18 - Begin slow taper (1 bead removed from each morning and evening 75mg capsule), February 18, 2013 - 140 beads per pill (X2 per day) (About 65%), 2013 November 16 - 70 beads per pill (X2 per day) (32.5%), 2014 September - 27 beads per pill (X2 per day) (12.5%) November 2 2015 - 1 bead per day (0.23% of original dose) and SLOWLY spacing doses out 25 hours, then 26, 28, currently 29hrs
November 2014 at 200mg Welbutrin

February 21st, 2016 - Last dose of Effexor forever

Monday, March 7, 2016 - Started decreasing Wellbutrin, currently at >25mg once a day

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