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#37 theelt712

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:16 PM

This has been debated on a lot of WD forums, and the short answer is I don't know. The long answer is it may help some people, but it depends on how you react. All of us are sensitive,

I am off of all meds as of May 20th, 2013, after 5 weeks on Zoloft and a 4 week taper. Still experiencing: moderate anhedonia & PSSD, I am otherwise mostly healed. 

 

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#38 findingme

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 11:36 AM

Thank you all for your responses ... I live in a place where medical cannibis is legal... and I'm trying to gather all possible resources/ helpful information BEFORE I begin my taper ... I've been thru 3 horrible experiences with stopping AD meds over the past 15 years ... each time my shrink just put me right back on/ various drug cocktails .... never once did any dr who prescribed these meds seem to have ANY knowledge of the withdrawal nightmare... sorry for rambling... but honestly, I'm scared,and the more I research , the more I question my ability to do this... This site is a gift ... to be able to talk to people who know exactly what I'm going thru... thanks again for being there , xoxo, findingme

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I weaned successfully off the Wellbutrin, but by the time I was down to 10mg Lexapro, I suffered panic attacks on bridges, and creeping depression ,

July 2014, reinstated 20 mg generic Lexapro


#39 NoMeaning25

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:31 PM

I am someone who had a reaction to cannibis (In a cookie) in early withdrawal.

 

I wouldnt risk it and would never EVER touch Cannibis again in my entire life. 



#40 Altostrata

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:57 PM

I don't believe marijuana is a silver bullet for withdrawal symptoms. Like everything else, it can make symptoms worse.


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#41 Rhiannon

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 03:57 AM

findingme, your very best bet is to do a slow taper following the advice given on this forum. It's not perfect, but it seems to me that the slow taper is the best way to minimize withdrawal symptoms, and works better than any drug or supplement for that. Do you have a thread in the Intro section? Also, please add your drug history in your sig line when you get a chance. 

 

You can do this. It's just going to be more involved and much slower than you probably hoped. But it can totally be done.


Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease" as I was told. Long and tragic story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything.

 

Now tapering, ironically (but not surprisingly) healthier and more functional than I ever was during the years on the "meds," even with withdrawal (usually fairly mild at this slow pace).

 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 14 2011:   86 mg Neurontin   144 Lamictal,    5.5 Celexa   0.42 Xanax      1.9 mg Valium

Feb 16 2012:   10 mg Neurontin   115 Lamictal     3.7 Celexa   0.285 Xanax     2.0 Valium

Feb 22 2013:   86 Lamictal    2.05 Celexa       0.23 Xanax      1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

Now:                43                    0.625                 0.0775            1.3

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.


#42 mattinsmom

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 01:29 PM

Does anyone know of reputable (I use that word loosely) research that has been done on this subject? I have no intention of using, however my son is trying to convince me that it would help with my symptoms. Really he is looking for a way to justify/get permission for his use. That's not going to happen either, he is 16 and it is not legal here (yet). He's bringing me studies of people using it to control seizures. While I can point out that he doesn't have seizures I'm not finding much to come back with saying that pot is "all that bad". .  


Current:

Lorazapam2mg: 4/9/152mg - 1.5mg: already sick/nothing noticed. No changes in sleep noted after illness.  

Lamictal: 7/27/13 - 8/6/13: 400mg - 500mg(dr order) mouth sores, headache, cognitive/balance, heart palp...8/7/13 - 8/23/13: 500mg - 400mg; symptoms↓...10/10/13: 350mg; fever/flu-like <2-weeks...12/30/13: 325mg; fever/flu-like symptoms <1-week

 

Discontinued:

Omeprazole: 09/2103 40mg...5/1/14: 20mg... 8/21/14 = 0

Wellbutrin: 11/22/13: 300mg – 225mg...12/6/13 delayed reaction- mood swings, weight↓, heart palp/chest pain, alerting...12/14/13: 187mg; physical symptoms↓, neuro emotions ↑, weight stable...12/20/13: 225mg; physical symptoms return, emotions stable <1-week, weight↓...4/21/14: 187mg; weight↑...5/17/14 (neurologist ordered discontinue asap):168mg; headache, mood swings, ↑weight, sleep flux...5/24/14: 150mg; headache, mood swings, ↓cognitive/balance...6/2/14: 112mg; see above, weight stable, <3-weeks... 6/28/14: 100mg; moody...7/25/14: 87.5mg; family troubles... 8/4/14: 75mg; headaches; moody... 8/9/1450mg headaches... 8/12/14: 37.5mg; 8/17/14: 25mg...8/26/14 = 0

Hydroxyzine; 10mg: 5/20/15 *prn 4/5 times then dc'd. Mood changes/rage 

Buspirone: 7.5mg: 5/20/15 *prn 4/5 times then dc'd. No changes.


#43 Altostrata

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 01:35 PM

There's no evidence, even anecdotal, that marijuana consistently helps withdrawal symptoms. Some people claim it does. Others say it was harmful.

 

I tried it myself some time back and it scrambled me pretty badly, intensifying depersonalization and disorientation. It was not a good feeling. I would say it made my symptoms worse.

 

I asked a knowledgeable psychiatrist about trying medical marijuana and he advised against it. He said it causes "neurological chaos", not a good thing when you're trying to stabilize the nervous system.


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#44 mattinsmom

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 01:47 PM

Thanks Alto

 

I used to smoke when I was a teenager and pretty much it just numbed everything down. Dumbed everything down too. He doesn't see that yet.


Current:

Lorazapam2mg: 4/9/152mg - 1.5mg: already sick/nothing noticed. No changes in sleep noted after illness.  

Lamictal: 7/27/13 - 8/6/13: 400mg - 500mg(dr order) mouth sores, headache, cognitive/balance, heart palp...8/7/13 - 8/23/13: 500mg - 400mg; symptoms↓...10/10/13: 350mg; fever/flu-like <2-weeks...12/30/13: 325mg; fever/flu-like symptoms <1-week

 

Discontinued:

Omeprazole: 09/2103 40mg...5/1/14: 20mg... 8/21/14 = 0

Wellbutrin: 11/22/13: 300mg – 225mg...12/6/13 delayed reaction- mood swings, weight↓, heart palp/chest pain, alerting...12/14/13: 187mg; physical symptoms↓, neuro emotions ↑, weight stable...12/20/13: 225mg; physical symptoms return, emotions stable <1-week, weight↓...4/21/14: 187mg; weight↑...5/17/14 (neurologist ordered discontinue asap):168mg; headache, mood swings, ↑weight, sleep flux...5/24/14: 150mg; headache, mood swings, ↓cognitive/balance...6/2/14: 112mg; see above, weight stable, <3-weeks... 6/28/14: 100mg; moody...7/25/14: 87.5mg; family troubles... 8/4/14: 75mg; headaches; moody... 8/9/1450mg headaches... 8/12/14: 37.5mg; 8/17/14: 25mg...8/26/14 = 0

Hydroxyzine; 10mg: 5/20/15 *prn 4/5 times then dc'd. Mood changes/rage 

Buspirone: 7.5mg: 5/20/15 *prn 4/5 times then dc'd. No changes.


#45 Littleredhead

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 03:56 PM

Does anyone know of reputable (I use that word loosely) research that has been done on this subject? I have no intention of using, however my son is trying to convince me that it would help with my symptoms. Really he is looking for a way to justify/get permission for his use. That's not going to happen either, he is 16 and it is not legal here (yet). He's bringing me studies of people using it to control seizures. While I can point out that he doesn't have seizures I'm not finding much to come back with saying that pot is "all that bad". .  

Hello Amy, I don't know of a reputable research to tell you about, but can give you my own thoughts on using marijuana.  My husband uses it to help with his appetite after going through stage four throat cancer.  He had 35 sessions of radiation and 3 sessions of chemo.  He lost about 90 lbs during this time.  He has a lot of throat scaring from the radiation and has a tough time eating, and has no appetite to speak of.  When he smokes a little, maybe two or three puffs, it does help him want to eat, and also relaxes him.  I'm going through getting off of Pristiq by switching to Effexor.   I have months to go as I am cutting down a half tablet at a time. My WD symptoms are extreme tinnitus, vision problems, headaches and not being able to sleep well.  I decided to try a little marijuana like my husband does, using only 1 or 2 puffs, and have found that it does help me to be able to relax more and the tinnitus is less noisy and bothersome.  My eyes also seem more able to focus.  I believe that using it in very small amounts like my husband and I do has helped us both. I don't ever feel "high" or not able to function, just relaxed.  I think most people who use it, use it to get really high and can't really function because of smoking to much.  I believe it is useful for some people but you must be careful about using to much.  I also use some supplements, meditation, epsom salt baths, and listen to meditation music.  Hope my comments give you another point of view.  Namaste, Littlered


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#46 Ellen042

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 09:31 AM

Findingme, PLEASE don't resort to marijuana to get of psyc meds!  It is addictive!!!  You'd be trading one problem for another even IF it did help you, and that's a big if.  That would be like a benzo patient using alcohol to get off prescription drugs.  It doesn't even make sense to consider it.  Please consider the wisdom behind all the replies here.  I realize you're probably scared and suffering, but marijuana is not the answer. 


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#47 Altostrata

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 12:38 PM

From longstanding personal experience, I would say marijuana incurs physical dependency much, much less often than any psychiatric drug.


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#48 mattinsmom

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 01:33 PM

I don't want to or plan on using marijuana. My youngest is trying to convince me to use. He says he thinks it will help. I am hoping to find a way/ways to show him that pot is not completely "harmless". For me I have to agree with Ellen, I believe that I would just be trading one addiction for another. I used way to much as a teen to believe that I wouldn't fall into that pattern of using to escape everything. 


Current:

Lorazapam2mg: 4/9/152mg - 1.5mg: already sick/nothing noticed. No changes in sleep noted after illness.  

Lamictal: 7/27/13 - 8/6/13: 400mg - 500mg(dr order) mouth sores, headache, cognitive/balance, heart palp...8/7/13 - 8/23/13: 500mg - 400mg; symptoms↓...10/10/13: 350mg; fever/flu-like <2-weeks...12/30/13: 325mg; fever/flu-like symptoms <1-week

 

Discontinued:

Omeprazole: 09/2103 40mg...5/1/14: 20mg... 8/21/14 = 0

Wellbutrin: 11/22/13: 300mg – 225mg...12/6/13 delayed reaction- mood swings, weight↓, heart palp/chest pain, alerting...12/14/13: 187mg; physical symptoms↓, neuro emotions ↑, weight stable...12/20/13: 225mg; physical symptoms return, emotions stable <1-week, weight↓...4/21/14: 187mg; weight↑...5/17/14 (neurologist ordered discontinue asap):168mg; headache, mood swings, ↑weight, sleep flux...5/24/14: 150mg; headache, mood swings, ↓cognitive/balance...6/2/14: 112mg; see above, weight stable, <3-weeks... 6/28/14: 100mg; moody...7/25/14: 87.5mg; family troubles... 8/4/14: 75mg; headaches; moody... 8/9/1450mg headaches... 8/12/14: 37.5mg; 8/17/14: 25mg...8/26/14 = 0

Hydroxyzine; 10mg: 5/20/15 *prn 4/5 times then dc'd. Mood changes/rage 

Buspirone: 7.5mg: 5/20/15 *prn 4/5 times then dc'd. No changes.


#49 MrAnxious

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 09:52 AM

I found that it did help the ease of nausea and cured boredom during WD but it then turned into paranoia and anxiety. Also I thought " I am trying to get healthy yet I am sabotaging my lungs it didn't make sense. One joint is the equivalent to a lot of cigs. Health is wealth. Stay clean :)
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#50 rapunzel2

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 04:12 AM

I've read about medical marijuana and that it helps psychological disorders with very small amounts. but in bigger amounts it actually has the opposite effect, of making things worse. I'm kind of curious about medical marijuana (not smoking pot). maybe something for future, when I have exhausted other options.


in 2002- cipramil for half a year, ended it uneventfully. in 2006 - citalopram for half a year, ended in horrific state, ditched the drugs CT. 2006-2008 not feeling well but drug free. in 2008 prozac 20mg + quetiapine 25mg. 2009 tried to stop, ended up in hole after couple of months, started zoloft. 2009-2011 zoloft 50mg. went to 25mg in 2011 summer, it resulted in half a year horrible suffering. reinstated, changed drugs, nothing happened. by 2012 beginning suddenly felt great and CT meds. after 4 months came suddenly most horrible human suffering that's possible. started tapering slowly, GFCF diet and Hardy Nutritionals vitamins in 2013 summer. 

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25. april'13 fluoxetine 40mg -> 36mg (10%); 25. may'13 fluoxetine 36mg -> 32mg (1 month inbetween, 11%); 4. july'13 fluoxetine 32mg-> 28mg (5,5 weeks, 13%); 27. july'13 quetiapine 50 -> 45mg (10%); 15. aug'13 fluoxetine 28mg -> 24mg (6 weeks, 14%); 29. sept'13 quetiapine 45 -> 40mg (1,5 months, 11%); 14. oct'13 quetiapine 40mg -> 35mg (2 weeks, 13%); 16. oct'13 quetiapine 35mg -> 40mg; 17. oct'13 fluoxetine 24mg -> 22 mg (8%); 4. feb’14 fluoxetine 22mg -> 21mg (3,5 months hold inbetween, 5% cut); 21. feb'14 fluoxetine 21mg -> 20,5mg (2,5 weeks, 2,4% cut); 27 feb'14 fluoxetine 20,5mg -> 20mg (1 week, 2,4% cut); 30 mar'14 fluoxetine 20mg -> 19,5mg (4,5 weeks, 2,4% cut); 17 may'14 quetiapine 40mg -> 31mg (22% cut); 31 may'14 fluoxetine 19,5mg -> 17,56mg (9,9%); 13 july'14 quetiapine 31mg -> 25mg (19% cut); 19 july'14 quetiapine 25mg -> 18, 75mg (25% cut, 6 days); 28. july'14 quetiapine 18,75mg -> 22mg (-15%); 9. aug'14 fluoxetine 17,52mg -> 17,12mg (2,3% cut, 10 weeks, over 2 months); 19. aug'14 back to 17,52mg due to bad withdrawal symptoms; 20. oct'14 fluoxetine 17,52 -> 17,2mg (1,8% cut); 28. nov'14 fluoxetine 17,2 -> 15,6 (9,8%); 9. feb’15 fluoxetine 15,6 -> 14,4 (7,7%); 3. may’15 quetiapine 22mg -> 19mg (-14%); 27. may’15 fluoxetine 14,4mg -> 12,6mg (-12,5%, 1,8mg); 2. july’15 fluoxetine 12,6mg -> 10,6mg (15,9%, 2mg); 26. oct'15 fluoxetine 10,6mg - 9mg (15%, 1,6mg); 18. jan'16 quetiapine 18mg -> 15mg (17%); 16. mar'16 fluoxetine 9mg -> 7,4mg (18%); 22.may'16 fluoxetine 7,4mg -> 6mg (19%); 19.sept'16 quetiapine 12,5 -> 11,25 (10%); 26. sept'16 quetiapine 11,25 -> 10,25 (9%), 3 oct'16 quetiapine 10,25 -> 9,25 (10%); 10 oc'16 quetiapine 9,25-> 8,25mg (11%), 14 nov'16 quetiapine 8,25 -> 7,25 (12%); 9 Jan'17 fluoxetine 6mg -> 5,8mg (3%): 18 jan fluoxetine 5,8mg -> 5,6mg (3%); 6 feb fluoxetine 5,6mg -> 5,4mg (4%); 19 feb fluoxetine 5,4mg -> 5,2mg (4%); 5 mar fluox 5,2 -> 5,0 (4%). 

 


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 07:34 PM

I won't touch the stuff at moment but when my brains healthy again i no doubt will do again, as for me it is not a medicine but just a bit of relaxing the brain for a night..

 

I hate smoking and hate how it is hard to measure how much your having when eating or the strength of the weed, so i make cannabis capsules. One will give you a very mild high and two if i want to get a properly high, the key is you know exactly what your getting and can control it.

 

It's just 7 grams of coconut oil (very good for you) and 1.5 grams of mulled bud (makes about 12 capsules) put in an egg cup in the slow cooker for two hours. Then use a syringe to put the oil in some jel capsules (great to use these for something better than sorting out your med doses for once) 

 

Weeds funny because most of the time i'm just way to scared to use it just encase it enhances my anxiety or something, but when i finally do i wonder why i was so worried and feel great.


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tappered of 150mg in 6 months

was on 35.7mg for 2 months

tappered off 35.7 mg in two weeks

nothing for two weeks

warned of future withdrawals on this site from tapering too fast

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#52 Rhiannon

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:45 AM

It's pretty interesting seeing how attitudes vary about this subject from person to person and from geographic area to geographic area.

 

In the US we finally have a bit of movement towards legalization or at least decriminalization. I was visiting my kids in Washington state this past weekend. Voters approved legalization there a while back, but the state still has not finalized the system of licensure, etc. I keep hearing there will be stores opening soon, but nothing much seems to be happening yet.

 

Except this: everyone who was in prison for marijuana only, in the state, has been released. I was so happy to hear that!

 

I personally would like to hear peoples' experiences about cannabinoids if they have medical access and have found them helpful in withdrawal. I wonder if the more sedative cannibinoid compounds (not the THC or the ones that make you "high") might be medicinally useful or helpful in withdrawal.  Just curious, really. It's not something that most people have legal access to, and there are so many unknowns, I certainly wouldn't recommend trying it for withdrawal at this point.


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Now tapering, ironically (but not surprisingly) healthier and more functional than I ever was during the years on the "meds," even with withdrawal (usually fairly mild at this slow pace).

 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 14 2011:   86 mg Neurontin   144 Lamictal,    5.5 Celexa   0.42 Xanax      1.9 mg Valium

Feb 16 2012:   10 mg Neurontin   115 Lamictal     3.7 Celexa   0.285 Xanax     2.0 Valium

Feb 22 2013:   86 Lamictal    2.05 Celexa       0.23 Xanax      1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

Now:                43                    0.625                 0.0775            1.3

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.


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Posted 19 May 2014 - 02:27 PM

In the UK cannabis was decriminalised some years ago but it didn't last and it became illegal again.

I can't remember the details because it didn't affect me, but a family member was using it for medicinal

reasons following a car accident and it enabled him to keep working.  He grew 2 plants while it was

decriminalised but was rumbled when it was recriminalised and he was prosecuted. 

 

He tried to get the medical version from the doctor but it was only passed for use with MS. 

I wonder how much influence big pharma has in all this?  They wouldn't want anyone using something

easily available when they could become addicted to their toxic drugs for a lifetime! 


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1993 had a breakdown leading to 10 years of drug experiments with all classes of psych drugs.

2002  effexor. 

Tapered by counting beads from March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

 

Also tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg -hold- Feb2016 46mg  March 8 2016 45 April 44mg  May 11  43mg June 14 42mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, pro biotic.

 

My story http://survivinganti...king-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

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#54 Petunia

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 12:48 AM

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While reading through introduction threads I've been noticing people casually mentioning cannabis use. This may be contributing to increased symptoms.  Even though, in some people it may temporarily reduce withdrawal symptoms, its still a powerful psychoactive substance and not recommended for a person who is tapering, experiencing antidepressant withdrawal and possible nervous system destabilization.

 

Marijuana adds more confusion (literally and figuratively) to the neurological situation. It also has a very long half life. If you have a bad reaction, it could go on for a day or so.

 

 

There's no evidence, even anecdotal, that marijuana consistently helps withdrawal symptoms. Some people claim it does. Others say it was harmful.

 

I tried it myself some time back and it scrambled me pretty badly, intensifying depersonalization and disorientation. It was not a good feeling. I would say it made my symptoms worse.

 

I asked a knowledgeable psychiatrist about trying medical marijuana and he advised against it. He said it causes "neurological chaos", not a good thing when you're trying to stabilize the nervous system.

 

"THC has been shown to increase the release of dopamine from the nucleus accumbens and prefrontal cortex. This effect, which is common to many drugs of misuse (including heroin, cocaine, amphetamine and nicotine), may be the basis of its reinforcing properties and its recreational use. It is reversed by naloxone, suggesting an opioid link.

 

Cannabis affects almost every body system. It combines many of the properties of alcohol, tranquillisers, opiates and hallucinogens; it is anxiolytic, sedative, analgesic, psychedelic; it stimulates appetite and has many systemic effects.

 

Once absorbed, THC and other cannabinoids are rapidly distributed to all other tissues at rates dependent on the blood flow. Because they are extremely lipid soluble, cannabinoids accumulate in fatty tissues, reaching peak concentrations in 4-5 days. They are then slowly released back into other body compartments, including the brain. Because of the sequestration in fat, the tissue elimination half-life of THC is about 7 days, and complete elimination of a single dose may take up to 30 days. Clearly, with repeated dosage, high levels of cannabinoids can accumulate in the body and continue to reach the brain. Within the brain, THC and other cannabinoids are differentially distributed. High concentrations are reached in neocortical, limbic, sensory and motor areas.

 

Cannabinoids are metabolised in the liver. A major metabolite is 11-hydroxy-THC which is possibly more potent than THC itself and may be responsible for some of the effects of cannabis. More than 20 other metabolites are known, some of which are psychoactive and all of which have long half-lives of several days."

from: 

Pharmacology and effects of cannabis: a brief review

 

 

"Cannabinoids exert various physiological effects by interacting with specific cannabinoid receptors (CB receptors) present in the brain and periphery....

 

...There is an endogenous system of cannabinoid receptors and anandamides, which normally modulate neuronal activity by its effect on cyclic-AMP dynamics and transport of Ca+ + and K+ ions. Although the physiological implications of these ligand-receptor interactions are not completely understood, it is suggested to be connected with opioids, GABAergic, dopaminergic, noradrenergic, serotonergic, cholinergic, glucocorticoid and prostaglandin systems. The many effects of exogenous cannabinoids derived from cannabis result from perturbation of this complex system, but the exact mechanism is not clear."

from:

Chemistry, Metabolism, and Toxicology of Cannabis: Clinical Implications

 

.....He said it causes "neurological chaos", not a good thing when you're trying to stabilize the nervous system.


I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal.

 

My Introduction Thread

 

Full Drug and Withdrawal History

 

Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety)

Xanax PRN

Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes animal25.gif

 

Supplements which seem to help:  High doses of Vitamin C, Magnesium, Garlic and Ginger.  Taurine, Vit D3, L-Theanine and Inositol. I'm one of the rare people who react badly to fish oil.

 

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

 

VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from?



VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made?



VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes?



VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects?

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#55 SouthernFreeze

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 12:40 AM

what Petu said

 

i had one of my cannabis capsules a couple weeks ago, it was great for relieving the symptoms and helped me sleep.

I definitely would not recommend it though as even though it relieved my symptoms, it put my mind set all out of whack and i ended up with what felt like a huge step backward in the getting better process.

If anyone was going to ignore everyone's advice i would say smoke or have a capsule. Its too hard to tell how much your having with hash food and it's in your body for a long time afterward. :lol: I honestly couldn't think of anything worse than cannabis cookies while trying to tapper off anti depressants. There's a big difference between one puff of a joint and having your brains turned to mush with a cookie.

 

I think that strain they grow in america with just cbd and no thc(stuff that gets you high) might be something specia thoughl... could even be the answer ya never know, i'll leave that up to the scientists for now


10 years on various anti-depressants

 

first Aropax

then citalopram 

then fluoxetine

then the last 5 years Effexor xr

tappered of 150mg in 6 months

was on 35.7mg for 2 months

tappered off 35.7 mg in two weeks

nothing for two weeks

warned of future withdrawals on this site from tapering too fast

back on 15 beads for 50 days


#56 Rhiannon

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 09:18 AM

Yes, I've wondered about the possible uses for other cannabinoids like CBD (and there are others, I think there are a lot of them). But the research isn't there, so anyone who experiments is their own guinea pig. And I suspect that once the research begins to be done it will be taken over by Big Pharma, so the data will be manipulated and the studies will be slanted and if they don't like the results they're getting they will stop the studies and bury the results, just like they do with the other drugs they develop. 

 

I have a concern about this thread, though. Although we don't recommend cannabis in withdrawal, I would like to be cautious about sounding judgmental about cannabis use in general. I would like for participants in this forum to still feel safe to talk about their use, if they use it or have used it in the past, without feeling that they're going to be criticized or made wrong for it.

 

There is so much controversy about marijuana in general, from people who consider it to be an evil drug to people who consider it to be a harmless pleasure to people who consider it to be a miracle healer. Wherever you fall on this spectrum, please respect the feelings of others. You may be certain that you're correct, but from what I can see of what is coming out of the various studies and data on the subject, there are pluses and minuses both and the jury is far from in at this point.

 

I would like for people to be able to be comfortable sharing about both good and bad experiences with cannabis, and neutral ones for that matter, on this forum. If anyone does experiment with CBD or anything else, I would like them to feel comfortable sharing that information and their experiences with us here, whatever those experiences may be.


Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease" as I was told. Long and tragic story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything.

 

Now tapering, ironically (but not surprisingly) healthier and more functional than I ever was during the years on the "meds," even with withdrawal (usually fairly mild at this slow pace).

 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 14 2011:   86 mg Neurontin   144 Lamictal,    5.5 Celexa   0.42 Xanax      1.9 mg Valium

Feb 16 2012:   10 mg Neurontin   115 Lamictal     3.7 Celexa   0.285 Xanax     2.0 Valium

Feb 22 2013:   86 Lamictal    2.05 Celexa       0.23 Xanax      1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

Now:                43                    0.625                 0.0775            1.3

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.


#57 alexjuice

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 05:04 PM

The problem with studies is that you can cook a study to say anything, I have come to believe. It is hard to believe we will see really big expensive studies like we see in the antidepressants because marijuana is a plant that can not be patented.

 

As for my opinion regarding the marijuana buzz, I used to really enjoy it before the psych meds. I even think it could help with some symptoms of w/d possibly but I think its got a lot of downsides beyond adverse reactions.

 

And more generally I support the legalization to a degree because the people that smoke it will at least be able to grow their own plants because right now a big problem w. pot is that is grown often by completely shady groups who are using terribly toxic fertizilers and pesticides and they do not care at all about the end buyers health. On the flip side I also respect the cowboy element who fights the man to make a living w. marijuana and it will be sad to me when phillip morris is harvesting pot on plantations in SC. Plus I've been to jail and rehab and there aren't that many pot smokers in prison (for smoking pot) or at least I've not known any here in Texas. So the issue is a push for me with positives to legalization and positives to keeping things the way they are.

 

Keep in mind that a trip to ovenight jail in acute w/d is NOT A FUN experience. This is reason plenty for me to avoid carrying marijuana in places where it is illegal to have on one's person.

 

I personally have no plans to consume marijuana from here.


"Well my ship's been split to splinters and it's sinking fast
I'm drowning in the poison, got no future, got no past
But my heart is not weary, it's light and it's free
I've got nothing but affection for all those who sailed with me.

Everybody's moving, if they ain't already there
Everybody's got to move somewhere
Stick with me baby, stick with me anyhow
Things should start to get interesting right about now."

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#58 SouthernFreeze

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 06:54 PM


 

And more generally I support the legalization to a degree because the people that smoke it will at least be able to grow their own plants because right now a big problem w. pot is that is grown often by completely shady groups who are using terribly toxic fertizilers and pesticides and they do not care at all about the end buyers health. On the flip side I also respect the cowboy element who fights the man to make a living w. marijuana and it will be sad to me when phillip morris is harvesting pot on plantations in SC. Plus I've been to jail and rehab and there aren't that many pot smokers in prison (for smoking pot) or at least I've not known any here in Texas. So the issue is a push for me with positives to legalization and positives to keeping things the way they are.

 

 

 

Yeah the laws surrounding pot in my country are ridiculous. They have been selling this legal synthetic pot here which is much much worse and 100 times more addictive. It has been ruining peoples lives. and they still won't even consider ​decriminalizing real cannabis 


10 years on various anti-depressants

 

first Aropax

then citalopram 

then fluoxetine

then the last 5 years Effexor xr

tappered of 150mg in 6 months

was on 35.7mg for 2 months

tappered off 35.7 mg in two weeks

nothing for two weeks

warned of future withdrawals on this site from tapering too fast

back on 15 beads for 50 days


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 10:42 AM

Yeah the laws surrounding pot in my country are ridiculous. They have been selling this legal synthetic pot here which is much much worse and 100 times more addictive. It has been ruining peoples lives. and they still won't even consider ​decriminalizing real cannabis 

I have no doubt that synthetic pot -- and I don't have any clue what it might contain -- no doubt at all that this is far more dangerous than actual pot.
And furthermore people who manufacture knockoff drugs to sell in head shops are literally some of the most predatory people in the world. When I was a drug abuser the 'bath salts' werent around, thank god. The bath salts caused so much damage to so many people who fooled themselves by saying hey, it's legal!

 

At this point in history the 'legality' of the anything is less relevant than ever to the things value or safety, IMO.


"Well my ship's been split to splinters and it's sinking fast
I'm drowning in the poison, got no future, got no past
But my heart is not weary, it's light and it's free
I've got nothing but affection for all those who sailed with me.

Everybody's moving, if they ain't already there
Everybody's got to move somewhere
Stick with me baby, stick with me anyhow
Things should start to get interesting right about now."

- Zimmerman


#60 indigo

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Posted 29 June 2015 - 01:19 PM

I have have been using using legal medical cannabis oil for WD symptoms.

It is very high in the compound CBD (cannabinoids) which soothes anxiety

and very low in THC which gets you high. After a very low dose (one drop)

I've found my high anxiety goes away, my mind stops spinning dark thoughts,

and I feel calm and grounded.

I'm not aware of feeling stoned. Just calm.

It also helps me get back to sleep when I wake around 3 am.


On 20 mg of Prozac for about ten years. Sept 2012 started reducing 10% a drop using gram scale, with average of one month holds.

When I'd reached the half way mark, taking 10 mg  powder out of the 20 mg capsules, I switched over to 10 mg capsules and cutting

down from those. Withdrawals got harder the lower I dropped.  May 2013 changed to 5% drops, holding until all withdrawal symptoms gone.

January 2015 changed to liquid prozac (concentration of 20MG per 5 mL) using a 1mL oral syringe.

Current dose of fluoxetine solution equivalent 3.4 mg. Any effort to drop below this has been disastrous so for the time being I'm staying at this level.
Adding 200 mg Tryptophan and 200 GABA a day has helped with anxiety.
Also take 1,300mg Omega- 3,  875mg  Magnesium, 1800mg Curcumin, 1000mg Vit C, 5000 Vit D.
 

 


#61 shamaan

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 12:32 AM

I tried it a couple months ago , and although the high itself was okay , the next day i got hit with a really bad wave. Plus a setback of earlier symptoms. I tried it a second time , and the same thing happened. So for me smoking cannabis is a big NO. I even threw my stash away , something i would never do before withdrawal.

I also smoked a couple of times last year , and then i didn't had such a bad reaction the day after.
So i think it is because my nervous system is way more sensitive right now, i have such bad reactions the day after.

I really wouldn't do it if you have a very sensitive nervous system..

I was taking effexor since 2011 at 75 mg. In 2012 an updose to 225 mg, later to 300 mg. Together with solian 400 mg.

+2013: In summer i reduced my effexor dose myself from 300-150mg ( no clue about WD) , then later that summer developing hypomanic symptoms ; suspected bipolar : psychiatrist dropped my 150 mg of effexor to 0 mg. Crashed completely at the end of that summer.Hospitalized , and put on other AD , together with cocktail of lithium,lamictal.( still no clue about withdrawal)
+2014: Asked my psychiatrist to go back on my original medication.Rapid taper of lithium,lamicatal and sipralexa. And started effexor again , up to a dose of 150 mg.Again a rapid taper over a couple of months , final drop was 75mg to 0mg in August. ( and learned about WD). Effexor free for 21 months. Slowly improving..And in the summer of 2015 I developed xanax dependency from one week of use. Currently tapering and on a dose of 0,16mg , splitted in four doses.


#62 indigo

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 06:33 AM

Shamaan,I am not talking about smoking marijuana. My guess is you would have an entirely different experience

from medical cannibus oil formulated to have high CBD and very low THC.

As I said above, it does not get you high. It's just calming.


On 20 mg of Prozac for about ten years. Sept 2012 started reducing 10% a drop using gram scale, with average of one month holds.

When I'd reached the half way mark, taking 10 mg  powder out of the 20 mg capsules, I switched over to 10 mg capsules and cutting

down from those. Withdrawals got harder the lower I dropped.  May 2013 changed to 5% drops, holding until all withdrawal symptoms gone.

January 2015 changed to liquid prozac (concentration of 20MG per 5 mL) using a 1mL oral syringe.

Current dose of fluoxetine solution equivalent 3.4 mg. Any effort to drop below this has been disastrous so for the time being I'm staying at this level.
Adding 200 mg Tryptophan and 200 GABA a day has helped with anxiety.
Also take 1,300mg Omega- 3,  875mg  Magnesium, 1800mg Curcumin, 1000mg Vit C, 5000 Vit D.
 

 


#63 freespirit

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 06:48 AM

There are likely a number of factors at play when using street-bought cannabis. One is, you know nothing about what chemicals have been used in growing. Another is you have no idea what might have been added to it. I believe intention in using it is an important factor. When I've used it in very small amounts over the past 2 years (infrequently too), my goal has not been to get high...but to help mitigate the symptoms. It's not something I would recommend to anyone else, because I think there are also many potential risks.

 

Medical cannabis, especially formulated for treating specific symptoms is entirely different than smoking what is bought on the street. Most pot these days has extremely high THC...which most likely is not beneficial for a sensitized nervous system...

 

I'm still working on how I can gain access to medical cannabis. The cannabis I currently use is purchased through a friend. The grower does not use chemicals...but I don't feel it is the best possible choice for symptoms I'd want to treat (pain mostly). I'm not looking for the high that most people are, but more the sense of calm that Indigo describes.


Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet. Currently having issues with certain foods, especially high histamine.

Current Medications: Synthroid 37.5 mg

Current Supplements:B complex, Vitamin C, D, K2, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium lotion or epsom salts bath daily.

What has helped me most: qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats..

My introduction: http://survivinganti...it/#entry144282

Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself.

 

“When you recover or discover something that nourishes your soul and brings joy, care enough about yourself to make room for it in your life.”

~Jean Shinoda Bolen


 

 


#64 indigo

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 02:48 PM

Freespirit, the place where I get my cannabis oil has been treating pain very successfully

for decades. They grow all their own and it's all organic. Wish you had access to this.


On 20 mg of Prozac for about ten years. Sept 2012 started reducing 10% a drop using gram scale, with average of one month holds.

When I'd reached the half way mark, taking 10 mg  powder out of the 20 mg capsules, I switched over to 10 mg capsules and cutting

down from those. Withdrawals got harder the lower I dropped.  May 2013 changed to 5% drops, holding until all withdrawal symptoms gone.

January 2015 changed to liquid prozac (concentration of 20MG per 5 mL) using a 1mL oral syringe.

Current dose of fluoxetine solution equivalent 3.4 mg. Any effort to drop below this has been disastrous so for the time being I'm staying at this level.
Adding 200 mg Tryptophan and 200 GABA a day has helped with anxiety.
Also take 1,300mg Omega- 3,  875mg  Magnesium, 1800mg Curcumin, 1000mg Vit C, 5000 Vit D.
 

 


#65 freespirit

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 02:54 PM

Indigo,

 

I just found out there's a local shop that purchases only organic cannabis. I contacted them to get more information as to what they need from me. On their website, it says that bringing in your medical records will suffice..even without a doctor's prescription. That sounds good, but I want to know if they are just going to look at my records or expect to keep them. I'm wary of just handing out my medical history. I haven't heard back yet. I also found there's a compassion group on the mainland, where I could use a note from my naturopath...but it would mean traveling over there each time I wanted to purchase..which is both expensive and a long trip. But at least I feel as though there could be some possibilities.


Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet. Currently having issues with certain foods, especially high histamine.

Current Medications: Synthroid 37.5 mg

Current Supplements:B complex, Vitamin C, D, K2, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium lotion or epsom salts bath daily.

What has helped me most: qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats..

My introduction: http://survivinganti...it/#entry144282

Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself.

 

“When you recover or discover something that nourishes your soul and brings joy, care enough about yourself to make room for it in your life.”

~Jean Shinoda Bolen


 

 


#66 manymoretodays

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 04:02 PM

Miraculous short term results here in kids with intractable epilepsy........just the cannabais part.  So it must work like an anti-seizure somehow.  I mean I am still on a little bit of Trileptal......and maybe it does keep me calmer about this all????

 

The THC part though is probably the biggest risk.


Started with psycho meds circa 1988 I think 27 or 28 total.

AD's, antpsychotics, antiseizure mood stabilizers. Lithium, lamictal,benzos, and stimulants. Some med. for narcolepsy once?, Gabapentin........probably more.  Ask me?......I probably was on it.  Haphazard W/D's by Dr. recommend or uneducated self.

10/2014- off Lexapro--had been on highest dose 10 mg. then 5 mg. for a couple of years, went from 5 mg. to 3 mg. liquid and then CT in hospital(voluntary).  I got out of the hospital on a combination of low dose adderal salts x1/day and trileptal 150mg. x2/day.

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!

 

3/21/2016---I did some unwise updosing of trileptal/oxcarbazepine with some stressful stuff......doubled the above dose x2 during this last wave but began liquifying again and on approximately 68mg. starting today.  11/12//2016 24 mg. oxcarbazepine  12/9/2016 off oxcarbazepine/trileptal!!!! :) optimistic

Omega3's,EPA +DHA= approx. 1200/day. Magnesium citrate orally,diluted in a liter of H2O(that I can shake up.....it usually dissolves more completely as the water gets down to room temperature) and/or Epsom salt baths prn.   Vit. C and E.  B12, melatonin 3mcg., and bioidentical hormones sublingually.  Trace mineral drops.  L-lysine.  L-methylfolate=300 mcg. Totally ready for a good long window to hit soon and getting better strings of full days and partial days along the way.  Definite improvement overall since I first arrived on the SA survivor ship.  Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.

 


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Posted 30 June 2015 - 08:28 PM

So I feel like I should weigh in on this subject, because I have a very real (and very painful) experience with trying to use marijuana to help "escape" from my miserable WD symptoms.  I was 10 months out, and WELL on my way to recovery.  I was writing competetively again, and feeling well sexually, my memory was returnign in bouts, and I felt like I'd be fully recovered within a year or so.  Then one night my colleagues invited me to a party, where people just so happened to be smoking marijuana.  As it turns out, I smoked some of that pot, and become disoriented after the first hit.  Consequently, I smoked wayyyy too much the next 2 hits (my colleague later indicated that he never saw someone take as big a hit as I took).  After that mega hit (which I honest to god thought wasn't very large) I immediately started having a panic attack, and unfortunately because of my fear of drinking and doing benzos, this panic attack continued to last for the better part of 12 hours or so. 

 

I'm not sure if anyone here has ever had a TWELVE hour long panic attack or not, but I didn't even know that much adrenaline existed in my adrenal glands.  I'm not someone who's ever had a panic attack before, but it just kept going and going and going, like one of those rollercoasters you don't like the minute you step on, but it just keeps going and going and going.  I spent the better part of that night laying in a half full bath tub, forcing myself to vomit (to try to get the parasympathetic nervous system activated), and then laying in that vomit water in an attempt to calm down. 

 

The next morning, after the terror had subsided, I was so utterly disoriented, weak, and numb, that I seriously felt like I'd never recover.  Suicide was on my mind quite a bit.  To my chagrin, I didn't just fall asleep the next night, but I stayed up, dreamless, in a shallow anxiety state, feeling worse than I ever have in my entire life.  This didn't really get much better the next night either.  I had terrible terrible anxiety for WEEKS afterwards, dry mouth so bad I couldn't eat, no appetite, no ability to calm myself down - everything in the world seemed foreign, twisted, evil, and sinister.  Dealing with these effects would have been hard enough for even the strongest of people, but in addition to these pot-induced psycological issues, I now found myself with severely worsened SSRI withdrawal symptoms - worse than they had ever been.

 

I knew that I had made a very profound mistake.

 

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To make a long, long, painful (but interesting and meaningful) story short, the recovery timeline went something like this (time since smoking pot):

 

-45 days NO sleep whatsoever, just constant shallow thoughts and anxiety, quite psycotic

after about 60 days I started to get some sleep here and there (4 hours a night or so), major panic attacks

-90 days - still very anxious, severely depersonalized, miniature panic attacks every day

-6 months - able to get 8 hours of sleep every night, symptoms started to get better, but life was still a living hell. 

-9 months - panic attacks stopped, DP/DR got much better, but I still had a LITANY of lingering symptoms that made my life awful

-12 months - haven't had a panic attack for a long time, DP/DR continues to improve, sleep 8+ hours a night most nights, still a long list of lingering issues.  Virtually no psychotic like symptoms.

-14 months - Still pretty messed up physically - lots of pain, tingling numbness, etc that was not there before I smoked the pot.  Memory still worse than before the marijuana.  Not much anxiety these days, but I still have many of the symptoms I listed in my "introduction thread".

 

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This might sound outlandish, but I'm a very real person who has been suffering from a bad reaction to an SSRI for about 2 years now.  The marijuana I smoked was too strong too quick and my nervous system went completely chaotic and I STILL (14 months and counting) haven't even gotten back to where I was before I smoked the pot. 

 

The pain and suffering I've endured because of my terrible decision to smoke pot on May 4th (How could I forget it?) is almost completely unimaginable.  I honestly did not realize how much pain and suffering a human being could endure until I went through what I did over the past year.  I'm still in it too, that's the not so happy ending to this story - but I'm MUCH improved, and on my way to recovery.


8 Words of Wisdom about Adverse Effects and Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal Syndrome:

 

1.  Please do learn about this condition by thoroughly reading 1) Dr. Healy's website and SurvivingAntidepressants.

2.  Please read books like: 1) Anatomy of An Epidemic and 2) Mad in America.

3.  Success Stories do exist.

4.  Please be extremely cautious about reinstatements, recreational drugs, supplements.  Even low doses can complicate matters.

5.  Transfer all financial assets into your own name (hint: relationships end).  Do not spend money wastefully.  Keep your job as long as possible.

6.  Psychiatric drug "withdrawal" and adverse effects are serious neurological reactions to powerful "drugs" - do not take this condition lightly.

7.  These conditions almost never recognized by any medical doctors - hospitalization/appointments can be futile/potentially injurious.

8.  PSSD, anhedonia (no emotions), memory loss, brain zaps, etc are scary - don't worsen them by taking more drugs, supplements, and medications.

 

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 09:02 PM

Just to add to my above post, I would like to add a couple more things.

 

If you INSIST on smoking pot be very careful about your dosage.  That's all I can say.  VERY careful.  Have someone monitor the dosage for you - because when you smoke one hit, you become unaware of how much you're smoking on the next hit, meaning you can take in WAYYY too much pot all at once and overdose, and end up like I was.  There's no way to tell when a sensitive nervous system has had "too much" pot, so I'm not sure what to recommend here - maybe just one hit and see how you do for the rest of the night.

 

Unfortunately, there's no quick fix or magic bullet that's going to somehow make SSRI WD less miserable, at least not one that I've found.  Marijuana isn't going to do much for you, the high only lasts for a few hours, then you're left with the chemical in your bloodstream for the next month or so.  One can build tolerance to pot quite quickly, which requires more and more to get the same effect.  People claim pot isn't habit forming, but that's nonsense.  Sure, it's not AS habit forming as something like opiods or benzos, but an experienced pot smoker will tell you that if you smoke 2 days in a row, the second high isn't going to be as strong.  It might not be very addicting, but marijuana is definitely causing changes to occur in your brain.  Moreover, it's quit common to get depersonalization disorder from smoking pot or ingesting pot, or THC, and considering that most of us already suffer from this disorder, marijuana may make things worse.  In my case it sure did.

 

This isn't meant to scare anyone, well maybe it is a little - a little healthy fear.  The point was mostly just to share my experience, and thoughts on the subject.  I don't know if what happened to me will happen to you, but if there's a chance my story can help someone out there, I think that it's important to provide this information in that case.

 

Oh, and if you're already someone who smokes pot and hasn't had much of an effect, well neither did I.  I had ingested a pot brownie and found it to be quite helpful for my WD symptoms, WHILE I was high.  That was about 2 months prior to my smoking pot.  It was such a good experience that I wanted to get more brownies and just use that to make the weekends go by quicker.  So 2 months later, when I was offered to smoke pot, I thought "oh boy, this is great, I'll feel good again and make the weekend go by quickly".  Wrong.  Same person, same chemical, WILDLY different reaction.

 

As for other chemicals, I drank very heavily one night early on in my WD process, and I ended up more or less messed up for about a month or so.  I also had a bad reaction to clonozepam, which messed me up for about 2 weeks or so.  Those reactions PALED in comparison to smoking pot.

 

Best bet:  avoid all drugs.  There's no escape.  No quick fix.  Drugs are bad, and make WD much more difficult.

 

I'm not saying this is going to happen to you - but it could.  I figure that SA should be aware that at least ONE person has experienced a horribly profound reaction to marijuana, that made my WD symptoms like 10X worse for a long time.

 

Love and hugs.


8 Words of Wisdom about Adverse Effects and Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal Syndrome:

 

1.  Please do learn about this condition by thoroughly reading 1) Dr. Healy's website and SurvivingAntidepressants.

2.  Please read books like: 1) Anatomy of An Epidemic and 2) Mad in America.

3.  Success Stories do exist.

4.  Please be extremely cautious about reinstatements, recreational drugs, supplements.  Even low doses can complicate matters.

5.  Transfer all financial assets into your own name (hint: relationships end).  Do not spend money wastefully.  Keep your job as long as possible.

6.  Psychiatric drug "withdrawal" and adverse effects are serious neurological reactions to powerful "drugs" - do not take this condition lightly.

7.  These conditions almost never recognized by any medical doctors - hospitalization/appointments can be futile/potentially injurious.

8.  PSSD, anhedonia (no emotions), memory loss, brain zaps, etc are scary - don't worsen them by taking more drugs, supplements, and medications.

 

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 11:02 PM

oskcajga, that doesnt sound outlandish, but is some truly heavy s***.  ive read about several experiences like that online before i considered trying it for myself years back, and the notion has stayed with me.  for myself, in withdrawal states, ive found that one big hit can do more damage (short or long term upset) than smaller successive hits---your giant hit was the maximum possible damage there, probably...just 2-3 seconds is enough time for your system to adjust a bit before further chemical inundation.

 

before i was in withdrawal, i took in way too much at once (more than ever before in my life, probably, of the strongest weed i had ever smoked and kept around because i loved its high THC register)...it was a homemade rig (and also a small 4/20 observance in the middle of the night), and i went into a state i had never even encountered before then, or after to that extent.  a new dimension, like i was inside a black hole.  i had a lot of crazy psych and medication experiences in my many years of being sick, but that was a new one, and supremely terrifying...it was beyond the experience of panic attacks or fear states or anything like that---it was a new dimension that was basically like a portal to hell.  and i was telling my friends that i was trying to keep myself closer to this end of it instead of letting my mind get sucked down into the vortex, because, whatever was there, i didnt have any confidence i could ever return.  it subsumed my entire field of vision, thought processes, emotions, and memory...essentially a spiritual experience except that the environment was utterly acidic.  it might have just been my own psyche---i was rather self-loathing in those days; maladaptive.

 

your statements should definitely give some notion of gravity to the people who would take withdrawal smoking casually, though i dont usually read of that anywhere on here.  i also wanted to say, i can definitely relate to a 12 hour long panic attack.  i had a 72 hour long (three solid days, my longest ever before withdrawal) because of geodon, an antipsychotic.  after like a day or two, i wrote my psychiatrist an emergency email.  he said NOT to reduce the dose, and to KEEP TAKING the medication.  lunacy.  i had a fit of laughing for 30 minutes---no pauses whatsoever.  i nearly passed out and my muscles were sore for days and days because of the contractions involved...the hardest and most ceaseless fit ive ever experienced.  i might have vomited, i dont even know anymore.  i had a 2-3 week long panic attack in the first few months of total withdrawal, but i had little rest periods in there (a few minutes a day, if i was lucky) so it wasnt the same as 72 straight hours of pounding.

 

drinking can also be a problem for me (tolerance got tanked in withdrawal, even before i tapered off the last few meds).  and i agree that its important to note that weed can cause the same kind of neurological dependency as antidepressants.  it has fewer side effects and greater benefits for many individuals, but it is a psychotropic substance---just like psych meds in that it musses around in our brains, and continual use does create a physical or even psychological dependency in people.  it can be very mild for some, but i had a friend who smoked at least once pretty much every day for a good many months (for anxiety and depression), and she had a debilitating withdrawal reaction when she was unable to get any for a few days.  she got really sick, and didnt previously know that it was addicting in that sense, but anything modulating your internal chemistry on a continual basis is bound to be capable of that.

 

i rarely smoke these days, as i rarely see the risk as being justified since it can touch off a less than ideal reaction that i cant always predict the potential for (and thus just avoid if i can).  but i do try to cope with the dystonia, dopamine crashing, or other symptoms with it on occasion, and it works like nothing else has for me (supplements, psych meds, foods, exercise, rest, etc).

 

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as for the other posts...scientists dont yet understand the architecture behind seizures, but some strains of weed have shown to help stave off or reduce the severity of many peoples seizures.  its a lot like the situation with 'belligerent' autistic kids.  i figure that most neurological issues are somewhat related, and since weed is a very multi-focal drug, it can influence the healing of a variety of situations.

 

 

hash oil can be created at home, though its a bit labor-intensive and also requires at least one small specialized item.  it can be a little complicated to refine properly, and youd still need CBD-predominate bud to start off with, and so i dont imagine its necessarily an option in limiting circumstances.  i also dont want to suggest potentially illegal ventures or procuring of paraphernalia in bulgaria.

 

 

weed couldnt really be patented (im not sure if new hybrid formulae can be---maybe only methodology), and thats part of why prohibition began in america after weed was legal for such a long time: there are ties to lobbying against the competition of hemps industrial applications (nothing to do with smoking) in addition to the temperance movement type ideology.

 

 

there are CBD-only pills available clinically in some places, but that is not really the same as a CBD-heavy or "CBD-only" marijuana dose.  isolating the CBD both reduces its effectiveness and also its reach---so you can minimize some of the potential side effects, but at the cost of efficacy or thoroughness.  isolating it can also have formerly unseen effects, positive or negative, because thats taking a fish out of water, essentially.

 

 

"synthetic marijuana" is basically satan and i dont advise even healthy recreational drug-lovers to try it.  terrible ingredients, terrible reactions, and also nothing like pot at all.  it was basically just marketed that way to fill a void created by the legal system, kind of like other dangerous drug switch-ups we observe when enforcement cracks down (or the boon in street sales of prescription medications---the legalized forms of generally illicit substances like amphetamines, opioids, etc).

 

 

so far as i understand, most pot-related incarcerations are due to the person holding over a certain amount (a lot of legislation revolves around escalating weight categories), or having paraphernalia around that can get them nailed as distributors, or crossing boundaries (like state or county lines, school zones, whatnot) with personal stashes or the aforementioned suspicious, framed, or truly entrepreneurial setups.  our jails are so full that we are releasing many small-time offenders, and some cops will let a small pot violation go if you arent being a d*** about it (though my experiences largely revolve around medical-legal states, and some areas are WAY less tolerant, in america and abroad).  sometimes they wont even confiscate what you have, though some are in a position of legal obligation they intend to uphold due to personal or social accountability.  pot-related stuff is a common add-on charge to make sentences more severe (or more likely), or to try to get otherwise uninteresting criminals off the streets for a while, so that is much more common than a marijuana-centric rap sheet in convicts not running a serious grow, transport, or sale operation.  they (the feds) really like to jail the medical marijuana doctors and cooperative managers when they attract more than just a small clientele, though, regardless of their level of legitimacy...  obama said hed be hands-off, but has the pattern of waffling on his hardline issues (not a political statement, just a relevant point, and largely a product of a multi-party system of government).

 

 

theres a nice variety of discussion in here; im glad people are hitting so many different angles of the issue, and sharing their positive and negative stories.  i guess i had unfollowed this, so...pardon the catch-up.


from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  for all 5 years since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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Posted 01 July 2015 - 05:54 AM

Just to repeat . . again. . smoking marijuana at a party is not the same as being prescribed a measured dose of organic cannabis oil from a cannabis strain specifically developed for soothing anxiety by a legitimate medical marijuana collective that has been administering to sick people for decades. Frightening people away from trying this cannabis oil to sooth WD symptoms by telling  horror stories about smoking too much pot (from who knows where) at a party is not helpful.


On 20 mg of Prozac for about ten years. Sept 2012 started reducing 10% a drop using gram scale, with average of one month holds.

When I'd reached the half way mark, taking 10 mg  powder out of the 20 mg capsules, I switched over to 10 mg capsules and cutting

down from those. Withdrawals got harder the lower I dropped.  May 2013 changed to 5% drops, holding until all withdrawal symptoms gone.

January 2015 changed to liquid prozac (concentration of 20MG per 5 mL) using a 1mL oral syringe.

Current dose of fluoxetine solution equivalent 3.4 mg. Any effort to drop below this has been disastrous so for the time being I'm staying at this level.
Adding 200 mg Tryptophan and 200 GABA a day has helped with anxiety.
Also take 1,300mg Omega- 3,  875mg  Magnesium, 1800mg Curcumin, 1000mg Vit C, 5000 Vit D.
 

 


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Posted 01 July 2015 - 07:02 AM

Shamaan,I am not talking about smoking marijuana. My guess is you would have an entirely different experience
from medical cannibus oil formulated to have high CBD and very low THC.
As I said above, it does not get you high. It's just calming.

yeah i was talking about smoking. Never tried an oil , but i wouldn't do it either at this moment. It is still cannabis , and much more than solely THC and CBD. It has a lot of other cannabinoids in it too. So for me , too big of a risk..

I was taking effexor since 2011 at 75 mg. In 2012 an updose to 225 mg, later to 300 mg. Together with solian 400 mg.

+2013: In summer i reduced my effexor dose myself from 300-150mg ( no clue about WD) , then later that summer developing hypomanic symptoms ; suspected bipolar : psychiatrist dropped my 150 mg of effexor to 0 mg. Crashed completely at the end of that summer.Hospitalized , and put on other AD , together with cocktail of lithium,lamictal.( still no clue about withdrawal)
+2014: Asked my psychiatrist to go back on my original medication.Rapid taper of lithium,lamicatal and sipralexa. And started effexor again , up to a dose of 150 mg.Again a rapid taper over a couple of months , final drop was 75mg to 0mg in August. ( and learned about WD). Effexor free for 21 months. Slowly improving..And in the summer of 2015 I developed xanax dependency from one week of use. Currently tapering and on a dose of 0,16mg , splitted in four doses.


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Posted 01 July 2015 - 11:22 AM

Just to repeat . . again. . smoking marijuana at a party is not the same as being prescribed a measured dose of organic cannabis oil from a cannabis strain specifically developed for soothing anxiety by a legitimate medical marijuana collective that has been administering to sick people for decades. Frightening people away from trying this cannabis oil to sooth WD symptoms by telling  horror stories about smoking too much pot (from who knows where) at a party is not helpful.

 

Obviously these are not the same things, and no one claimed for them to be the same things.  I do think that taking drugs to alleviate withdrawal symptoms carries risks, however, especially if you're someone who's hypersensitive to medication.  The oil might be worthwhile to try, so long as it's carefully supervised and at a low dose.

 

Alto mentions it in her posts from time to time, that when trying supplements or drugs to help alleviate withdrawal symptoms, start at a very low dose.  This is very good advice.


8 Words of Wisdom about Adverse Effects and Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal Syndrome:

 

1.  Please do learn about this condition by thoroughly reading 1) Dr. Healy's website and SurvivingAntidepressants.

2.  Please read books like: 1) Anatomy of An Epidemic and 2) Mad in America.

3.  Success Stories do exist.

4.  Please be extremely cautious about reinstatements, recreational drugs, supplements.  Even low doses can complicate matters.

5.  Transfer all financial assets into your own name (hint: relationships end).  Do not spend money wastefully.  Keep your job as long as possible.

6.  Psychiatric drug "withdrawal" and adverse effects are serious neurological reactions to powerful "drugs" - do not take this condition lightly.

7.  These conditions almost never recognized by any medical doctors - hospitalization/appointments can be futile/potentially injurious.

8.  PSSD, anhedonia (no emotions), memory loss, brain zaps, etc are scary - don't worsen them by taking more drugs, supplements, and medications.

 

Stimulant free since September 20th, 2014; SSRI free since September 1st, 2013