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Posted 27 November 2013 - 01:18 PM

A concise explanation of withdrawal syndrome and tapering wrapped around a distressing tale of ECT.
 
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Current Psychiatry Vol. 9, No. 3 / March 2010
 
Discontinuing an antidepressant?
Tapering tips to ease distressing symptoms

David J. Muzina, MD
Vice president and national practice leader for neurosciences, Medco Health Solutions, Fort Worth, TX

Most psychiatrists have encountered patients who report distressing symptoms when they have forgotten to take their antidepressant for a few days or during changes in the medication regimen. A discontinuation syndrome can occur with almost any antidepressant, highlighting the need to slowly taper these medications when discontinuation is part of a treatment plan.

This article discusses antidepressant discontinuation syndrome (ADS) in a patient who experienced substantial distress after a rapid antidepressant taper in preparation for electroconvulsive therapy (ECT). My goal is to raise awareness of ADS, promote early detection of the syndrome, and address proper prevention and management strategies.

CASE REPORT: Feeling ‘worse than ever’
Mr. J, a 32-year-old tax accountant, is hospitalized for a major depressive episode (MDE) associated with deteriorating function and suicidal ideation. This second lifetime MDE started 8 months before his admission to an inpatient mood disorders unit.

Mr. J initially was treated with fluoxetine, up to 40 mg/d across 14 weeks, with good tolerability but no significant benefit. His psychiatrist switched Mr. J to bupropion but stopped it after 4 weeks because of side effects—including headaches, insomnia, and tremor—and limited antidepressant benefit. Venlafaxine XR was initiated next, at 150 mg/d within the first 2 weeks, increased to 225 mg/d at week 6, then titrated to 300 mg/d at week 10. After 10 weeks, aripiprazole, 5 mg/d, was added because Mr. J showed only partial, limited response to venlafaxine XR and this antipsychotic is indicated for adjunctive treatment of major depressive disorder.

Mr. J reported mild, transient restlessness but otherwise he tolerated the medications well, and he claimed excellent adherence. After 6 additional weeks of treatment, however, Mr. J was hospitalized because of persistent severely depressed mood, increasing suicidal ideation, and inability to function at work.

On admission, Mr. J is evaluated and agrees to ECT. To meet the ECT service’s protocol, venlafaxine XR is reduced to 150 mg/d for 2 days and then stopped when ECT is started. Aripiprazole is continued at 5 mg/d.

Mr. J tolerates the first ECT treatment well, but the morning before his second treatment he complains of feeling “worse than ever.” An agitated Mr. J reports dramatically intensified suicidal ideation—much more intrusive than before he was hospitalized. He also complains of diffuse muscle aches and cramps, runny nose, nausea, headache, and burning sensations in both arms and hands. He withdraws consent for ECT and returns to the mood disorders unit for ongoing treatment.

Could this be ADS?
Yes, it could. In this case, the inpatient psychiatrist and treatment team were lulled into a false sense of security by Mr. J’s history of few side effects with various treatments and medication changes. The ECT service wanted the patient off venlafaxine XR before beginning ECT, and the treatment team believed a quick taper would not cause discontinuation symptoms because Mr. J was taking an “extended-release” medication.

Within 72 hours, Mr. J went from taking 300 mg/d of venlafaxine XR to none. Within 2 days of cessation, he complained of symptoms that could characterize a discontinuation syndrome. A potential red herring in this case is that the patient complained of feeling worse after his first ECT treatment, and one might erroneously think the myalgias, headache, and other somatic symptoms were side effects of ECT and/or anesthesia.

Typical ADS symptoms
Nearly all antidepressant classes are associated with ADS. Symptoms vary from patient to patient but typically include the “FINISH” syndrome: flu-like symptoms, insomnia, nausea, imbalance, sensory disturbances, and hyperarousal (anxiety/agitation) (Table 1).1

Adverse effects after stopping tricyclic antidepressants have been well documented. They may include FINISH syndrome features as well as cholinergic overdrive or “rebound” such as abdominal cramping and diarrhea.2-4 Reports of ADS after patients stopped selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) emerged soon after these agents were introduced.5-7 Similarly, ADS has been reported with serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs), including venlafaxine,8-10 venlafaxine XR,11 and duloxetine.12 ADS symptoms are similar with SSRIs and SNRIs, generally without the anticholinergic effects associated with tricyclic antidepressant discontinuation.

Clinical Point
SSRIs and SNRIs have similar ADS symptoms but generally do not cause the anticholinergic effects seen with tricyclic discontinuation.

Fewer reports of discontinuation syndrome exist for bupropion, mirtazapine, monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs), and nefazodone.13-17 Discontinuation-emergent syndromes with these non-SSRI/non-SNRI antidepressants tend to present differently. With MAOIs, for example, neuropsychiatric symptoms such as severe anxiety, agitation, pressured speech, sleeplessness or drowsiness, hallucinations, delirium, and paranoid psychosis can be prominent.17

The prevalence of ADS is unclear, and published estimates vary widely because of the lack of large controlled studies. ADS rates with SSRIs/SNRIs have been reported from as low as 0% for fluoxetine to higher rates for shorter half-life antidepressants:

  • 2.2% with sertraline
  • 14% with fluvoxamine
  • 20% with paroxetine
  • 30.8% with clomipramine.

These rates come from a retrospective case note review of patients who discontinued antidepressants under supervision.18 In a small cohort of outpatients being treated for major depressive disorder, stopping venlafaxine XR was associated with discontinuation symptoms for the next 3 days in 7 of 9 patients (78%), compared with 2 of 9 patients (22%) stopping placebo.11

Diagnostic criteria have been proposed for ADS associated with serotonin (5-HT) reuptake inhibitors.19-22 Proposed ADS definitions differ somewhat, but essentially 3 features guide the diagnosis:

Clinical Point
Evidence suggests shorter half-life antidepressants carry the highest risk for ADS

  • appearance of characteristic symptoms (Table 2)21,23
  • timing of those symptoms, which usually emerge within 1 week of abrupt cessation or marked reduction of the antidepressant
  • symptoms generally are mild, short-lived, self-limiting, and/or rapidly reversed by restarting the original antidepressant.

Evidence suggests shorter half-life antidepressants may be associated with the highest risk for ADS, but other risk factors remain presumptive (Table 3).

Table 1
FINISH: Symptoms of antidepressant discontinuation syndrome

  • Flu-like symptoms
  • Insomnia
  • Nausea
  • Imbalance
  • Sensory disturbances
  • Hyperarousal (anxiety/agitation)

Source: Reference 1

Table 2
ADS symptoms can range across a variety of system clusters


Neurosensory
Vertigo, paresthesias, shock-like reactions, myalgias, numbness, sensitivity to sound, unusual visual sensations, ringing in the ears

Neuromotor
Tremor, myoclonus, ataxia/gait instability, visual changes, restless legs, problems with speech, tongue movements

Gastrointestinal
Nausea, vomiting, cramps/bloating, diarrhea, anorexia

Neuropsychiatric
Anxiety/panic, depression, mood swings, suicidal ideation, irritability, impulsivity, confusion, psychosis

Vasomotor
Diaphoresis, flushing, temperature intolerance

Other
Headache, insomnia, vivid dreams, nightmares, lethargy/fatigue, flu-like symptoms

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Source: Construct suggested by Shelton,21 with additional symptoms added from other sources, including the discontinuation symptom checklist of Rosenbaum et al23

Table 3
Possible patient risk factors for developing ADS*

  • Abrupt antidepressant discontinuation
  • Shorter half-life antidepressants
  • Intermittent nonadherence/noncompliance
  • Interrupted treatment or use of ‘drug holiday’
  • Specific antidepressant properties (such as potent [5-HT] receptor antagonism, cholinergic effects)
  • Younger patient age (including children and adolescents)
  • Female gender
  • Pregnancy
  • Neonate/breast-fed infant (mother on antidepressant therapy)
  • History of ADS
  • Vulnerability to depressive relapse
  • Duration of treatment (possible increased risk with more than 4 to 6 weeks of antidepressant exposure)
  • Switches to or between generic antidepressant formulations (related to variations in bioequivalence)
  • History of early adverse reactions when the antidepressant was initiated

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*Risk factors for ADS have not been rigorously studied in randomized controlled trials. Possible risk factors in this table were found in case reports

What causes ADS?
Although the exact cause of ADS is unknown, the literature proposes several theories.

Because of the central serotonin system’s complex connections, acute reduction in synaptic serotonin when an SSRI or SNRI is abruptly or too quickly stopped may be the first in a cascade of steps affecting transmission of multiple monoamines. Parallels have been drawn between the phenomenon observed with rapid depletion of tryptophan—the essential amino acid precursor for the synthesis of 5-HT—and ADS seen with abrupt discontinuation of serotonergic antidepressants. This suggests that acute drops in neurotransmitter levels can precipitate neuropsychiatric and somatic manifestations of ADS.24

Patients’ uncomfortable symptoms likely are caused by the serotonin, norepinephrine, and cholinergic systems and their complex interactions.25 Individual genetic factors may influence patients’ vulnerability for ADS.

Managing ADS
Awareness and prevention. ADS can be misinterpreted as side effects of newly started treatment after an antidepressant is stopped. In Mr. J’s case, the appearance of muscle aches, headaches, and other ADS symptoms after ECT was started easily could have been perceived as adverse effects of ECT. Mr. J’s agitation and increased suicidal ideation could lead a clinician to mistakenly think that MDE was worsening because the antidepressant was stopped before ECT became effective. Being aware of ADS can prevent misdiagnosis and allow you to quickly identify the condition, manage the reversible syndrome, and continue with new treatment plan—in this case, ECT.

You can help prevent ADS by educating patients about the need to adhere to antidepressant regimens and to avoid missing doses. Consider ADS risk factors—particularly medications’ half-lives—before you start, change, or stop antidepressant therapy. Gradually taper all antidepressants being discontinued, with the possible exception of fluoxetine (which, including its active metabolite, has an elimination half-life of approximately 1 to 2 weeks).

Tapering antidepressants is more art than science because we have no controlled data to support any particular tapering regimen. Tailor the taper duration based on each patient’s response to sequential dosage reductions. Antidepressants with shorter half-lives—such as venlafaxine or paroxetine—may need to be tapered more slowly, perhaps by reducing the dosage by 25% every 4 to 6 weeks. If you plan to switch medications, this process may be expedited during a cross-taper to another antidepressant. You still may see discontinuation symptoms, however, depending on which new agent is chosen and which is being stopped.

Treating ADS. Appropriately recognizing ADS risk and slowly tapering antidepressants as needed usually prevents clinically significant distress associated with discontinuation. For some patients, however, ADS may be particularly severe or prolonged, or may emerge at the end of a slow taper.

Challenging cases may be more likely with paroxetine or venlafaxine—even the extended-release or controlled-release preparations. The elimination half-life of paroxetine is 15 to 20 hours, and the half-lives of venlafaxine and venlafaxine XR are 5 to 11 hours. Desvenlafaxine’s half-life is 11 hours, and product labeling of this enantiomer of racemic venlafaxine notes that discontinuation symptoms have occurred.26 ADS treatment depends on the severity of the reaction and whether or not further antidepressant therapy is necessary.

Clinical Point
For mild ADS treatment for specific symptoms may be all that is needed

For mild ADS, reassurance and treatment focused on specific symptoms—such as sedative-hypnotics for insomnia or benzodiazepines for anxiety—may be all that is needed, because ADS tends to gradually resolve over an average of 10 days.27

For more severe ADS, or when ongoing antidepressant therapy is indicated, restarting the recently withdrawn antidepressant at the pre-ADS dosage typically resolves the syndrome within 24 hours. Then employ a slower, more cautious taper when next attempting to discontinue that antidepressant.
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Another option. An alternate management strategy is to substitute fluoxetine to suppress ADS associated with shorter half-life SSRIs or SNRIs. Case reports18,20,28 suggest that fluoxetine, 5 to 20 mg/d, can be used to ameliorate venlafaxine-induced ADS. Fluoxetine can be tried as monotherapy for 1 to 2 weeks and then rapidly tapered or stopped. Others have suggested combination therapy, such as:

  • restarting venlafaxine at the pre-ADS dose plus fluoxetine, 20 mg/d
  • tapering venlafaxine by 50% every 5 days until stopped
  • reducing fluoxetine 1 week later to 10 mg/d for 5 days
  • then stopping fluoxetine.28

In general, SSRIs should not be co-administered with SNRIs long-term because of potential additive adverse effects such as serotonin syndrome. Combining fluoxetine with an SNRI such as venlafaxine for the purpose of tapering off venlafaxine and reducing ADS risk probably is safe, however, as long as the fluoxetine dose is low (5 to 20 mg) and SNRI reduction begins immediately, with a plan for complete tapering.

CASE CONTINUED: ECT treatment proceeds
Venlafaxine XR is not restarted to address Mr. J’s suspected ADS because of concerns about potential increased risk for cardiac events (asystole, prolonged bradycardia) during ECT with concomitant venlafaxine use.29,30 Fluoxetine, which rarely may prolong ECT-induced seizures, is deemed a safer choice and is started immediately at 20 mg/d.

Because of Mr. J’s other symptoms, we prescribe lorazepam, 0.5 mg bid, for anxiety for 2 days; increase aripiprazole to 5 mg bid for agitation; and add zolpidem, 10 mg at bedtime, for insomnia. The following day, Mr. J reports substantial relief from ADS symptoms, including myalgias, paresthesias, and suicidal ideation.21,23

His second ECT treatment is administered the next day, followed by a successful course of 9 treatments and partial remission of the MDE within 3 weeks. Fluoxetine is reduced to 10 mg/d one week into the ECT series, then discontinued one week later. No signs of emergent ADS are seen at discharge or 2-week outpatient follow-up. Mr. J achieves full remission with maintenance ECT plus bedtime doses of mirtazapine, 30 mg, and aripiprazole, 7.5 mg, across 6 months of follow-up care.
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Related resources
Schatzberg AF, Blier P, Delgado PL, et al. Antidepressant discontinuation syndrome: consensus panel recommendations for clinical management and additional research. J Clin Psychiatry. 2006;67(suppl 4):27-30.
American Family Physician. Patient handout on antidepressant discontinuation. www.aafp.org/afp/2006/0801/p457.html.
Rosenbaum JF, Fava M, Hoog SL, et al. Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor discontinuation syndrome: a randomized clinical trial. Biol Psychiatry. 1998;44(2):77-87. See appendix for discontinuation-emergent signs and symptoms checklist.
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Disclosure
Dr. Muzina reports no financial relationship with any company whose products are mentioned in this article or with manufacturers of competing products.

Acknowledgment
When Dr. Muzina submitted this article to Current Psychiatry, he was director, Center for Mood Disorders Treatment and Research, Cleveland Clinic Neurological Institute, Cleveland, OH.

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23. Rosenbaum JF, Fava M, Hoog SL, et al. Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor discontinuation syndrome: a randomized clinical trial. Biol Psychiatry. 1998;44(2):77-87.

24. Delgado PL. Monoamine depletion studies: implications for antidepressant discontinuation syndrome. J Clin Psychiatry. 2006;67(suppl 4):22-26.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 01:21 PM

Thank you to our member LisasLove for finding this article.

 

Dr. Muzina went on to work for the drug insurance company Medco. Also see http://survivinganti...rugs/?hl=muzina


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 06:52 PM

An interesting article, but can those figures be correct? 2.2% of patients on sertraline may experience withdrawal? 0% on fluoxetine?


My thread here at AS: http://survivinganti...-bubbles/page-3

2001 Hashimotos diagnosis

2005 St John's Wort

2006 Lexapro 20mg

2 unsuccessful attempts to discontinue

Discontinued successfully over 5 or so months in early 2012

January 2013 started sertraline, over time worked way up to 100mg

July 2014 dropped from 100mg to 75mg, held for several months

January 2015 started to taper to 50mg over several months, held for several months

February 2016 at 35mg

6 March 2016 at 33 mg

(also takes Armour Thyroid plus a small dose T4)


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 08:08 PM

I doubt it as it sounds too low to me.  I tried to look it up seems it would be a simple thing to find but no matter what words I chose I found the same sites came up no matter what I asked about zoloft... so I gave up.. not into it today... I am sure the numbers are out there they are just hard to find... Effexor is 78% will get withdrawal that one I remember. 

 

You may find something here if you care to read it.

http://www.baumhedlu...taClassCert.pdf


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 08:36 PM

I keep looking and finding different figures. Common among them, though, is that certain meds are unlikely to be associated with withdrawal. Will keep plodding on.


My thread here at AS: http://survivinganti...-bubbles/page-3

2001 Hashimotos diagnosis

2005 St John's Wort

2006 Lexapro 20mg

2 unsuccessful attempts to discontinue

Discontinued successfully over 5 or so months in early 2012

January 2013 started sertraline, over time worked way up to 100mg

July 2014 dropped from 100mg to 75mg, held for several months

January 2015 started to taper to 50mg over several months, held for several months

February 2016 at 35mg

6 March 2016 at 33 mg

(also takes Armour Thyroid plus a small dose T4)


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Posted 03 April 2016 - 07:41 AM

Having taken and had a serious adverse reaction to prozac my first AD that played out for years... read my page if you want to know more... 

my take is that the wording is wrong... from 

"is that certain meds are unlikely to be associated with withdrawal"

 

some meds it is more difficult to notice the withdrawal as it can present much later as in "delayed withdrawal"  ( a term you can look up at SA to see more about it) so stats on such things can be very misleading when wd presents months later nobody is connecting it with withdrawal of a drug taken much earlier it is a very tricky thing great pretender that these drugs are. 

 

On another site when people would come and say to me they quit there antidepressant without any wd at all I would ask how long they have been off the drug .. days wks months... would not impress me much... I would tell them come back in a year or even two if you still don't have any wd symptoms I will agree with you. 

 

Now the timeline of 2 years may be a bit much but if you figure in that people will resist and treat symptoms as they come if they are not too intense... it makes sense... also ad to it what we know from wd sites like this one wd takes years not months even in the easy cases. 

 

We know most of these drugs cause withdrawal for at least some people and given the fallout the situation would have to be dire to present ADs as an option for treatment .. there has to be a better way given the risk involved with these drugs.. there is more than wd to consider... so much more. 


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivinganti...ng-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)


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Posted 04 April 2016 - 11:00 AM

Withdrawal symptoms are under-reported in the literature because 1) patients are confused and don't report them; 2) when patients report them, doctors don't recognize them; and 3) they are almost always misdiagnosed as psychiatric symptoms.


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Posted 04 April 2016 - 02:10 PM

Withdrawal symptoms are under-reported in the literature because 1) patients are confused and don't report them; 2) when patients report them, doctors don't recognize them; and 3) they are almost always misdiagnosed as psychiatric symptoms.

Exactly.

 

Also when patients do request an SAE (serious adverse effects) report to be filed with unwavering conviction. The medical profession refuse to file it.

 

I requested this in person 3.5 yrs ago and was dismissed with untruths and told i was simply a person who was 'sensitive to drugs'.

2.5 years later i request an SAE report to be filed. Im told a gp isnt under any legal obligation to file one. (Why would he that would be an admission of harming someone).

The DHB i was referred to however is required to file a report and they didnt. Now 4 months after asking for it to be done in writing  with 3 gentle reminders they tell me they wont because the national gatekeeper pharmac are inundated with SAE reports and it wont make any difference.

I reply back over a month ago that i have the right to have my SAE report  filed please do it. They ask me to come in to have a chat with them and a pdoc... i refuse and say lets correspond in writing. Besides i have presented something like 6-8 times in person to make a complaint and nothing has been done.  Now they tell me that they are waiting on further info. (What on earth could that be?? probably scurrying around to find a sliver of info that could put the blame on me i guess) .

 

More feet dragging i hear nothing ...i guess its time for another gentle reminder isnt it.

 

Heres the doctor logic...2012 we wont file a SAE report cos you are a 'sensitive to drugs ' person.

fastforward 2015/2016 ..we are not forwarding an SAE report cos pharmac are receiving too many of them and we dont wont to waste their time!

 

Well how on earth does anyone in this country get an damn SAE report filed!  Ive got better chance of being the president of North Korea!

 

i also am very suspicious regarding one of my consultation notes so requested a copy to be made available as i am entitled to see it. That was 6 weeks ago. 3 weeks ago i received a letter saying they will make it available but still havent. ?!? Surely its simply a matter of   pushing 'print' ...isnt it? After 6 weeks the print button has still not been pushed.

 

No wonder no one reports anything....or requests anything.


2000 amitryptaline, nortriptaline venlafaxine clonazepam for  arm pain from keyboard use, told I had a chemical imbalance it would fix my arm was just a matter of finding the right med for me not informed of the nature of these drugs assured safe and not addictive, CT off Effexor after being told to double the dose on reporting adverse effects...later ..uncharacteristic psych panic tearful presented to doctor to get answers. Given paroxetine no questions asked 'safe and not addictive' next please.2001-2010 paroxetine (paxil) 2 failed attempts to quit, a learned helplessness set in. Feb 10 - Sept 10,  8 month clueless taper, hell. Doc said I had underlying depression .. I said that's not right' then found online support group and the truth!...overcome with inconceivable humiliation and outrage. 28 Sept 10 drug free ...  daily psych and emotional torture beginning in the waking hours of the morning receding somewhat in the evening only to start up again the next day. 28 Sept 12 (24 months) Stabilizing  (What an indescribable unimaginable non-functional nightmare). sleep issues start up at 3 yrs  waking daily at 2am -4.30am)28 Sept 15 (5yrs drug free), cf, cmw, insomnia  horrifying pssd continues, still feel Rip van Winkle-ish, cognitively doing heaps better. 28 Sept 16 after 6 yrs start working again on a casual basis.

 

"It is unsafe for people who suffer from something that could be treated with an ssri to consult a psychiatrist." Gotzshe 2015. [ I think Gotzsche could have easily meant to say 'to consult anyone with prescribing privileges']. "Going to a psychiatrist is one of the most dangerous actions a person can take." Breggin

 

“Paroxetine is not safe, it is not effective and it meets every known definition of addictive.” McLaren, N, (2016) 'Psychiatry as bullsh*t’ p55..."Psychiatry is stuffed full of 'deep nonsense' better known as bullsh*t." McLaren 2016

 

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

See  my intro post #451 for the xanax back story and for a CV -GSKs.  Come on guys get taperwise see a TaperMe Schedule

 For a staggeringly shocking 'prozac back story' see the truth post #523

 

"If I were an enemy combatant and the NZ army did this to me someone would be dragged to the Hague and jailed!"  nz11


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Posted 04 April 2016 - 03:45 PM

NZ11 can you do it yourself? In Australia patients can.


My thread here at AS: http://survivinganti...-bubbles/page-3

2001 Hashimotos diagnosis

2005 St John's Wort

2006 Lexapro 20mg

2 unsuccessful attempts to discontinue

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January 2013 started sertraline, over time worked way up to 100mg

July 2014 dropped from 100mg to 75mg, held for several months

January 2015 started to taper to 50mg over several months, held for several months

February 2016 at 35mg

6 March 2016 at 33 mg

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 07:29 PM

bubbles i have.

But i want them to do it officially. And by constantly badgering them i am keeping it in their intray.

The official one goes through different route and people have to answer questions about why did this occur.

 

The centre for adverse reactions thinks and tells people that doctors are filing sae's but that is not correct they are not. When a person writes them they get a standard letter back ...'sorry to hear about your trouble on an ssri this is not a common outcome  blah blah blah'


2000 amitryptaline, nortriptaline venlafaxine clonazepam for  arm pain from keyboard use, told I had a chemical imbalance it would fix my arm was just a matter of finding the right med for me not informed of the nature of these drugs assured safe and not addictive, CT off Effexor after being told to double the dose on reporting adverse effects...later ..uncharacteristic psych panic tearful presented to doctor to get answers. Given paroxetine no questions asked 'safe and not addictive' next please.2001-2010 paroxetine (paxil) 2 failed attempts to quit, a learned helplessness set in. Feb 10 - Sept 10,  8 month clueless taper, hell. Doc said I had underlying depression .. I said that's not right' then found online support group and the truth!...overcome with inconceivable humiliation and outrage. 28 Sept 10 drug free ...  daily psych and emotional torture beginning in the waking hours of the morning receding somewhat in the evening only to start up again the next day. 28 Sept 12 (24 months) Stabilizing  (What an indescribable unimaginable non-functional nightmare). sleep issues start up at 3 yrs  waking daily at 2am -4.30am)28 Sept 15 (5yrs drug free), cf, cmw, insomnia  horrifying pssd continues, still feel Rip van Winkle-ish, cognitively doing heaps better. 28 Sept 16 after 6 yrs start working again on a casual basis.

 

"It is unsafe for people who suffer from something that could be treated with an ssri to consult a psychiatrist." Gotzshe 2015. [ I think Gotzsche could have easily meant to say 'to consult anyone with prescribing privileges']. "Going to a psychiatrist is one of the most dangerous actions a person can take." Breggin

 

“Paroxetine is not safe, it is not effective and it meets every known definition of addictive.” McLaren, N, (2016) 'Psychiatry as bullsh*t’ p55..."Psychiatry is stuffed full of 'deep nonsense' better known as bullsh*t." McLaren 2016

 

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

See  my intro post #451 for the xanax back story and for a CV -GSKs.  Come on guys get taperwise see a TaperMe Schedule

 For a staggeringly shocking 'prozac back story' see the truth post #523

 

"If I were an enemy combatant and the NZ army did this to me someone would be dragged to the Hague and jailed!"  nz11