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My sleeping is still improving haven't taken any thing for sleep in a while and the jumpiness seems to be gone. I have completely changed my diet. Salads every day fish oil every day still waiting for the magnesium to arrive. Some things seem to be changing if I have anxiety it seems to be only in my head my body does not seem to follow any more. I guess that's a good thing. My pharmacist told me he could crush some pills and put it in a suspended solution for me. I think I will hold at 2.5 mg lexapro for a while though and then tapper at 10% thank you for all of your help :-)

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It's great that you are sleeping better Lobster, I'm really happy for you.  :)

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Great news! very happy for you.

 

Let's just hold where we are. The rush can only cause us to get there much later :)

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I was wondering if any one else has experienced dizziness or vertigo from taking fish oil? Maybe its just me im not sure if it's causing it or not thanks :-)

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Fish oil is a vasodilator. Vasodilation can cause dizziness. It also lowers blood pressure. Try taking less or spread it out during the day.

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I received the magnesium glycinate a few day's ago and have been taking 50mg. They're 100 mg pills I haven't noticed any side affects. The bottle says to take one or two pills daily. I was wondering if I should take a whole pill or stay at a half for a while. Anny suggestions thank you :-)

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Fish oil is a vasodilator. Vasodilation can cause dizziness. It also lowers blood pressure. Try taking less or spread it out during the day.

Thanks I am now spreading the dosage out over the day. I also noticed dry mouth for a while. That is now gone but the foggy slightly dizzy head remains. Guess it's nothing I cant handle. Im not sure if its actually the fish oil or it could be from the withdrawal thank you :-)

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Try taking 50mg mag glycinate twice a day, then 3 times a day. If no problems, increase to 100mg in the evening, then gradually increase other doses.

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Try taking 50mg mag glycinate twice a day, then 3 times a day. If no problems, increase to 100mg in the evening, then gradually increase other doses.

Thank you I took 50mg this morning and I will take 50mg tonight I appreciate all the help :-)

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Hope that stretching out your dose helps!

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Try not taking fish oil for 1-2 days and evaluate your dizziness. Some think that there are differences between brands and types of fish oil. Thats beyond my level of knowledge though. Others here knows more about this for sure.

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Try not taking fish oil for 1-2 days and evaluate your dizziness. Some think that there are differences between brands and types of fish oil. Thats beyond my level of knowledge though. Others here knows more about this for sure.

Its been two days with out any fish oil and my head is a lot clearer today. Maybe its the brand of oil not sure what to get for fish oil maybe I just cant handel it thanks.

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Try taking 50mg mag glycinate twice a day, then 3 times a day. If no problems, increase to 100mg in the evening, then gradually increase other doses.

I seem to be having good luck with the magnesium. Im going to take it three times a day starting today. I would like my 12 year old son to start taking it. Maybe it would help with his anxiety some any recommendations as to the dosage for him? Thank you very much :-)

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All bodies need magnesium, but we usually get it through the food we eat.  Too much magnesium will cause loose bowels.  Magnesium can be supplemented to bowel tolerance.

 

I Googled and found information from Dr. Weil. He has information on his site indicating that the NIH RDA is 170 mg for children between 7 and 10 years and 120 mg for children between 4 and 6 years of age.  You could start with 170 mg and if his bowel function is normal increase by 50 mg.  Keep in mind that the RDA is widely considered too low, but it is probably a safe guideline to start with.

 

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All bodies need magnesium, but we usually get it through the food we eat. Too much magnesium will cause loose bowels. Magnesium can be supplemented to bowel tolerance.

 

 

 

I Googled and found information from Dr. Weil. He has information on his site indicating that the NIH RDA is 170 mg for children between 7 and 10 years and 120 mg for children between 4 and 6 years of age. You could start with 170 mg and if his bowel function is normal increase by 50 mg. Keep in mind that the RDA is widely considered too low, but it is probably a safe guideline to start with.

 

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Thank you very much :-) I will start low and see how he does with it thanks again.

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It will take as long as it takes. Making your bedroom very dark and quiet would help.[/quote

 

 

Had a bad night last night couldn't sleep kept waking up every five or ten minuets. I had to take Xanax. Is it possible I am dependent on Xanax? I have been taking it on and off for over a year. At first it was 1 mg at night when I couldn't sleep. But that was usually about only about twice a month. Then I was told I could take 2 mg at night. But it was only a couple times a month. When t started not sleeping around Christmas time I took 2 mg Xanax for about 4 or 5 days. And I haven't taken any thing since. And it's been almost 3 weeks with out any meds to sleep. I haven't noticed any with drawls to the Xanax. I didn't think I was taking it enough to get adickted. Any suggestions I hate taking any thing for sleep I have been sleeping really well for the last few weeks. I just am not shore what to do. I'm taking magnesium 50mg three times a day is that maybe to much. I never take Xanax during the day as it has never helped my anxiety nothing has changed for my sleep to get messed up thank you :-)

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Its best not to take Xanax at all, but from what you have written, it doesn't sound like you have become addicted to it.  If you have been sleeping well for 3 weeks without taking it, then one night of bad sleep is probably related to something else.

 

If you don't sleep well for the occasional night or two, try not to worry about it, its quite common.  Worrying about not sleeping can make the problem worse.

 

Have a look at our 'sleep tips' section for non-drug methods to improve sleep:

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/555-tips-to-help-sleep-so-many-of-us-have-withdrawal-insomnia/

 

I take 200mg Magnesium twice a day and that seems to be right for me.  Too much magnesium generally causes diarrhea, not insomnia.

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Take as little Xanax as possible, in the lowest effective dose, as infrequently as you can.

 

You are not taking much magnesium. You may wish to increase your evening dose by 50mg to start. If that feels okay, increase the others, too, one at a time.

 

Then, you may want to gradually ramp up your evening dose to 200mg or more.

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Take as little Xanax as possible, in the lowest effective dose, as infrequently as you can.

 

You are not taking much magnesium. You may wish to

 

 

 

increase your evening dose by 50mg to start. If that feels okay, increase the others, too, one at a time.

 

Then, you may want to gradually ramp up your evening dose to 200mg or more.

 

 

 

Thank you I slept good last night :-) I try and never take xanax only when I panic about sleep. It has never helped my anxiety ever. I dont even bother I do get troubled over the dosage I take if I have a problem sleeping which is 2mg. Any less and it will not even work. But I only take it maybe once or twice a month if that. I do try and be very careful with it I was given a prescription of 30 1 mg pills on oct 7 and still have 20 left. I will try and up the dosage of magnesium. Is it possible to have with drawl to fish oil? I stopped for a few days because of a foggy head wich did get better after stoping. But maybe it was helping my sleep. I started taking it again today maybe a little less? I also take a statin zocore for cholesterol maybe they dont get along together. On a better note my son has been taking 50mg magnesium and a fish oil pill a day and I have seen a big improvment in his mood much happier and more energetic the old kid I new I cant believe it would make a big difference thank you for everything :-)

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Its best not to take Xanax at all, but from what you have written, it doesn't sound like you have become addicted to it. If you have been sleeping well for 3 weeks without taking it, then one night of bad sleep is probably related to something else.

 

If you don't sleep well for the occasional night or two, try not to worry about it, its quite common. Worrying about not sleeping can make the problem worse.

 

Have a look at our 'sleep tips' section for non-drug methods to improve sleep:

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/555-tips-to-help-sleep-so-many-of-us-have-withdrawal-insomnia/

 

I take 200mg Magnesium twice a day and that seems to be right for me. Too much magnesium generally causes diarrhea, not insomnia.

 

Thank you for your response :-) I try not to take xanax I understand about the dangers and definitely dont want a problem with it. Its difficult I have developed a fear of not sleeping. Thankfully when I dont have the sleep jerks I usually sleep good and nothing is needed to sleep. I have noticed im not shure if its from the magnesium or not but if I take it around 3or 4 in the afternoon by 6 I cant hardly keep my eyes open and by 8.30 im asleep and dont usually wake up until 5am. Xanax has helped me threw some tough sleeping problems but I never take it for long. And it has never helped my anxiety. Thanks again :-)

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As long as you don't take the Xanax more than you've been taking it, you should be fine. You just don't want to take it so often that your brain begins to remodel receptors in response to it being on board. That's when the problems start.  Once or twice a month shouldn't be enough to cause that. 

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As long as you don't take the Xanax more than you've been taking it, you should be fine. You just don't want to take it so often that your brain begins to remodel receptors in response to it being on board. That's when the problems start. Once or twice a month shouldn't be enough to cause that.

Thank you :-) another good night last night nothing needed for sleep I appreciate all the help

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I am taking 200mg magnesium during the day and im going to increase to 100mg in the evening so far I think its helping and im noticing 0 side affects thank you Alto very much for your help :-)

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I am so happy to hear that you are finding sleep. It makes such a difference.

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I am so happy to hear that you are finding sleep. It makes such a difference.

 

Thank you :-) It certainly helps the mood.

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Miserable night sleep. I took 400 mg magnesium yesterday last night couldnt.sleep just layed in bed in a daze got up for a while started to dose after a while kept jumping awake. Tried melatonin then took some Seroquel I thought it would be better than xanax. Did sleep after hours of trying. Terribly hungover this morning from the Seroquel. I dont know my sleep is very inconsistent lately by six at night im tired and by nine I am a sleep in 5 minutes and then on other nights my sleep goes to nothing and nothing has changed. I wouldnt think the magnesium would be keeping me awake. Im so tired of this sleep issue I just want to go back to the way I used to be maybe I will cut back on the magnesium a little? Thanks everyone

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What are you taking at night and for how long have you been taking it?

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What are you taking at night and for how long have you been taking it?

I took 25mg Seroquel last night and 3/4mg melatonin. 3nights ago I took 2 mg xanax to sleep. And I haden't taken any thing for sleep for almost three weeks prior to the 2mg xanax. And nothing in between xanax and the one night of Seroquel. I have also been noticing derealization thats better now. My magnesium at night last night was 200mg night before 150 night before that 100 and it had been 100 for a fiew days. Total magnesium yesterday 400mg. My head still feels hung over from the Seroquel. Today I have only taken 100mg magnesium. I have also noticed some heart palpitations comes and goes. Sorry if this is hard to follow thank you very much :-)

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I don't think the problem was the magnesium.

 

If I were you, I would stay away from Seroquel and Xanax.

 

You may experience waves and windows that affect your sleep. Please be patient and do not skip around with drugs and supplements.

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I don't think the problem was the magnesium.

 

If I were you, I would stay away from Seroquel and Xanax.

 

 

Thank you I dont know what to do with the sleep jerks if I dont take something I wont sleep it just happens all night. at this point im not sure what is worse though no sleep or taking those pills. I have been dealing with this sleep problem for almost 2 years some times I think I will never get better. Thank you.Alto I appreciate the help

 

You may experience waves and windows that affect your sleep. Please be patient and do not skip around with drugs and supplements.

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Thank you I dont know what to do with the sleep jerks if I dont take something I wont sleep it just happens all night. at this point im not sure what is worse though no sleep or taking those pills.

 

I think at this point, randomly taking xanax and seroquel is worse than missing a few nights sleep.  Not sleeping at all for a whole night or even 2 - 3 nights in a row is very unpleasant, awful, frightening, but eventually, everyone falls asleep unless prevented from doing so.

 

 I try not to take xanax I understand about the dangers and definitely dont want a problem with it. Its difficult I have developed a fear of not sleeping. Thankfully when I dont have the sleep jerks I usually sleep good and nothing is needed to sleep.

 

I think a lot of people get addicted to drugs for sleep because of this fear.  But in reality, there is nothing particularly harmful about missing the occasional night sleep, or even sleeping badly for several nights in a row.

 

Randy Gardner holds the scientifically documented record for the longest period of time a human being has intentionally gone without sleep not using stimulants of any kind. Gardner stayed awake for 264 hours (11 days), breaking the previous record of 260 hours held by Tom Rounds of Honolulu. LCDR John J. Ross of the U.S. Navy Medical Neuropsychiatric Research Unit later published an account of this event, which became well-known among sleep-deprivation researchers.

 

Coren S (March 1998). "Sleep Deprivation, Psychosis and Mental Efficiency"   Psychiatric Times 15 (3).

 

The Guinness World Records record stands at 449 hours (18 days, 17 hours), held by Maureen Weston, of Peterborough, Cambridgeshire in April 1977, in a rocking-chair marathon

 

Alex Boese (5 November 2007). "Eleven days awake". Elephants on Acid: And Other Bizarre Experiments. Harvest Books. pp. 90–93.

 

Have a look through our sleep section for some ideas about how to naturally improve sleep:

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/53-sleep-problems-that-awful-withdrawal-insomnia/

 

If you can relax about not sleeping and just focus on resting and staying calm through the night, you will help yourself by minimizing another source of stress (fear of not sleeping).  Eventually you will break the cycle and a more natural rhythm of sleep will return.

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I just want to underline this one more time as somebody who is so painfully hooked on Xanax and it all started with fear: Randomly taking Xanax and Seroquel is worse than missing a few nights sleep.

 

The fear went away but Xanax stayed for 14 years and when I felt better and good about my life, it was Xanax that would bring me down. And 2 mg is for me a very high dose! (It's effective in 0.25 when you first start taking it). I'm taking 2 mg because I was gradually increasing it when lower doses stopped doing the trick and now 4 tablets of 0.5 mg per day do nothing from me except preventing me from feeling horrible distress as a result of not taking them.

 

There are a lot of guided meditations on you tube which can help us to relax and sleep. But as Petu says not sleeping is not the end of the world. Drugs are hell and Xanax is a snake: before you notice it, it's round your neck...

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I just want to underline this one more time as somebody who is so painfully hooked on Xanax and it all started with fear: Randomly taking Xanax and Seroquel is worse than missing a few nights sleep.

 

The fear went away but Xanax stayed for 14 years and when I felt better and good about my life, it was Xanax that would bring me down. And 2 mg is for me a very high dose! (It's effective in 0.25 when you first start taking it). I'm taking 2 mg because I was gradually increasing it when lower doses stopped doing the trick and now 4 tablets of 0.5 mg per day do nothing from me except preventing me from feeling horrible distress as a result of not taking them.

 

There are a lot of guided meditations on you tube which can help us to relax and sleep. But as Petu says not sleeping is not the end of the world. Drugs are hell and Xanax is a snake: before you notice it, it's round your neck...

Thank you last night was miserable I did sleep but kept having body jerks and racing thoughts all night. When I was first given xanax for anxiety it was 1mg and it did nothing 2mg does nothing for my anxiety thats why I dont take it for that the only thing it has helped is when I have the constant sleep jerks. Im going on two years like this now im scared I have a problem with xanax I have taken 2 mg xanax once since dec 31.xanax and the other sleeping meds have been a crutch. Im so afraid of not sleeping. This is what started every thing for me im also terrified of getting hooked on meds. I have taken Seroquel in the past for a month because of not sleeping up to 150mg every night. I just stoped taking that one day thankfully I didnt have any with drawls. I guess my biggest fear is that the sleep jerks wont stop and I wont sleep and I will end up back in the hospital. My mind knows better but the fear gets the best of me thank you for your understanding :-)

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Thank you I dont know what to do with the sleep jerks if I dont take something I wont sleep it just happens all night. at this point im not sure what is worse though no sleep or taking those pills.

I think at this point, randomly taking xanax and seroquel is worse than missing a few nights sleep. Not sleeping at all for a whole night or even 2 - 3 nights in a row is very unpleasant, awful, frightening, but eventually, everyone falls asleep unless prevented from doing so.

I try not to take xanax I understand about the dangers and definitely dont want a problem with it. Its difficult I have developed a fear of not sleeping. Thankfully when I dont have the sleep jerks I usually sleep good and nothing is needed to sleep.

I think a lot of people get addicted to drugs for sleep because of this fear. But in reality, there is nothing particularly harmful about missing the occasional night sleep, or even sleeping badly for several nights in a row.

 

Randy Gardner holds the scientifically documented record for the longest period of time a human being has intentionally gone without sleep not using stimulants of any kind. Gardner stayed awake for 264 hours (11 days), breaking the previous record of 260 hours held by Tom Rounds of Honolulu. LCDR John J. Ross of the U.S. Navy Medical Neuropsychiatric Research Unit later published an account of this event, which became well-known among sleep-deprivation researchers.

Coren S (March 1998). "Sleep Deprivation, Psychosis and Mental Efficiency" Psychiatric Times 15 (3).

The Guinness World Records record stands at 449 hours (18 days, 17 hours), held by Maureen Weston, of Peterborough, Cambridgeshire in April 1977, in a rocking-chair marathon

Alex Boese (5 November 2007). "Eleven days awake". Elephants on Acid: And Other Bizarre Experiments. Harvest Books. pp. 90–93.

Have a look through our sleep section for some ideas about how to naturally improve sleep:

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/53-sleep-problems-that-awful-withdrawal-insomnia/

 

If you can relax about not sleeping and just focus on resting and staying calm through the night, you will help yourself by minimizing another source of stress (fear of not sleeping). Eventually you will break the cycle and a more natural rhythm of sleep will return.

 

I never used to worry about sleep if I missed a night so what I would sleep better the next night. But with these sleep jerks it does keep me from sleeping at all. the first time it happend I had no sleep for 3 days ended up in the hospital thought I was never going to sleep again and die. Sorry if I seem dramatic so in the last two years I have developed a severe fear of not sleeping but im not shore if that feer is stronger than being addicted to sleep meds. I tell my self even with the sleep jerks if I go long enough with out sleep I will sleep. Unfortunately when im stressed I tend to research it makes me feel better so I have read all the article about sleep. Some things make me feel better about not sleeping and other things not so much. Its hard when the sleep jerks stop I sleep good with no meds. My grand mother is 83 and has been on valium since the 70s actually she didnt even know she was she just took what the dr prescribed. I dont want to end up like that with xanax. The fear is terrible I used to be able to handel it and shrugg it off but I cant do that so well any more. I do agree about the random use of Seroquel and xanax as opposed to not sleeping. I am trying thank you for caring :-)

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Yes, many of us have experienced that very problem with sleep. Please read the topics in the Symptoms and Self-care forum.

 

It does get better -- you've experienced this yourself.

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