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#1 Altostrata

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 04:20 PM

Here are some topics discussing tests, supplements, herbs, and treatments that may answer your questions.

No matter what you read about "natural" supplements or herbs, or even if an alternative practitioner, naturopath, or integrative doctor recommends them, you cannot treat withdrawal syndrome as though it is "natural" depression.

In "natural" depression, your nervous system is normal and it is operating your body properly. In withdrawal syndrome, your nervous system is struggling to get back to normal operation. Don't try to speed this along with anything that may be stimulating, or you may further unbalance it.

SAM-E and other supplements that act on serotonin, including St. John's Wort, are not recommended for people with withdrawal syndrome. They tend to be stimulating in a way that most of us really do not need.

Many herbs also have unusual side effects in people with withdrawal syndrome.

Whatever you try, understand you may be hypersensitive to that particular substance or treatment. If you are trying an herb or supplement, take a tiny fraction of a normal dose and see how you react. Don't think you're going to smack a symptom down with a big dose of anything. More is not better when your system is sensitized by withdrawal.

Try herbs or supplements one by one. Don't take a bunch of supplements at once. If you have a bad reaction, you won't know which substance caused it. For this reason, we don't recommend "mixed" supplements, such as B vitamin supplements or sleep supplements with multiple ingredients.

We also don't recommend programs that promise you a fast recovery. Generally, they are overpriced and contain common supplements you can find yourself at lower prices. You will want to try those supplements one by one anyway, as taking them all together may cause unpleasant reactions.
 
See Don't waste your money on these supplements

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CHECK FOR DRUG AND SUPPLEMENT INTERACTIONS !!!!!!!

Drug Interactions Checker -- use it to reduce your drug burden
 
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BASIC SUPPLEMENT TOOLKIT

King of supplements: Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil)

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker

 

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REDUCING CORTISOL, THE ANXIETY HORMONE
 
Reducing cortisol and waking with panic or anxiety *

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AMINO ACIDS

5-HTP (5-hydroxytryptophan) and l-tryptophan

L-arginine An amino acid good for sleep?

L-glycine for sleep?

Update on milk peptides for sleep: Our friend Lactium again *

SAM-e (S-adenosyl-L-methionine)

Taurine (L-taurine amino acid)
 
L-Theanine for anxiety, insomnia

Be careful with l-tyrosine

whey protein isolate *

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SUPPLEMENTS AND HERBS
 
Can you take too many supplements?
 
Supplements - how long should I give them?
 
CoQ10

Curcumin -- helps neurons to recover? Supplement derived from Indian spice turmeric

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker *

Melatonin for sleep: Many people find it helpful *

Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil) *

Valerian Root

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TESTS

Pharmacogenetics Testing

Thyroid symptoms

What lab testing is reasonable prior to starting or tapering?

The trouble with brain scans -- fMRI, QEEG, or SPECT -- for psychiatric problems
 
Invalid: Urine testing for neurotransmitters in the brain
 
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TREATMENTS

Liver detox: A good idea?

Ask Shanti about homeopathy

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VITAMINS

Vitamin A and beta-carotene

Vitamin B3 (niacin, niacinamide)
 
Vitamin B8 (inositol)

Vitamin B12

Vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol or calcitriol)

Got too much vitamin D - Now what?

Deplin -- the L-methylfolate swindle

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DIET AND DIGESTION
 
That acid reflux pill may be causing your health problems
 
Digestive problems: Nausea, Diarrhea, Bloating, GERD
 
Food sensitivities
 
Gluten Sensitivity Vs. Celiac Disease Vs. Gluten Intolerance...
 
Histamine food intolerance
 
Diets for Supporting Recovery: Restriction, Ketosis, Raw, Low Carb

SCD/GAPS/Paleo Diets
 
Probiotics and gut health
* Many people find this helpful for withdrawal symptoms. Always try a small amount first to see how your system reacts.


Edited by Altostrata, 09 July 2016 - 07:13 PM.
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#2 Shanti

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 05:46 AM

Can we add the Homeopathy topic here Alto? I am truly so frustrated that the only ones that decided to try it ended up with an ignorant Homeopath that tried Isopathy. I've seen only one person on another forum that saw a wise Homeopath that did the trick for her. People may say I'm special as I got over it pretty quick and maybe it has to do with the length of time I was on meds to begin with (only a few years altogether), but I hold firm to the truth that it was Homeopathy that did it for me, as I recall the first dose of Stramonium and how it acted immediately on the psychotic depression. If anyone wants detailed information about using Homeopathy please look at my website in my signature as well. Homeopathy Topic
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#3 Altostrata

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:52 PM

Done, Shanti.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 09:23 AM

I think I'll roast my pumpkin seed this year!!!Top ten foods packed with magnesium:
Fall 1995 xanax, zoloft. switched to Serzone
1996- spring 2003serzone/ xanax/ lightbox.
b]Fall 2003- Fall 2004? Lexapro 10 mg. Light box /4 mg. xanax.[/b]
2004 - Fall of 2009 10 mg Lex, 150 mg Wellbutrin XL % 4 mg xanax
November 2009- Sept. 2011 10 mg lex., 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax [/b
Sept.2012- July 2012 20 mg Lex 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax
My mantra " go slow & with the flow "
3/2/13.. Began equal dosing 5 Xs /day xanax, while simultaneously incorporating a 2.5 % drop ( from 3.5 mg/day to 3.4 mg/day)

4/6/13 dropped from 300 mg. Wellbutrin XL to 150 mg. Difficult but DONE! Down to 3.3 mg xanax/ day / 6/10/13 3 mg xanax/day; 7/15/2013 2.88mg xanax/day.
10/ 1/2013...... 2.5 mg xanax… ( switched to tablets again) WOO HOO!!!!!! Holding here… cont. with Lexapro.
1/ 2/2014.. tapered to 18mg ( by weight) of a 26 mg ( by weight) pill of 20 mg tab. lexapro. goal is 13mg (by weight OR 10 mg by ingredient content) and STOPPED. Feeling very down with unbalanced, unpredictable WD symptoms.
1/2/2014- ??? Taking a brain-healing break from tapering anything after actively tapering something for 1.5 years. So… daily doses as of 2/2/2014: 18 mg by weight Lex, 150 mg Well. XL, 2.5 mg xanax, down from 26 mg by weight Lex., 300 mg well. XL, 4 mg xanax in August, 2012. I'll take it. :) 5/8/14 started equivalent dose liquid./ tabs. 5/13/14 1.5 % cut.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 12:38 AM

Not to sound like a broken record but don't assume that so called benign supplements are harmless. I only took two Trader Joes probiotics yesterday in the morning and ended up with blood in my urine. Did a google search and there were other people who had experienced this. Perhaps I am an usual case but I just wanted to warn people to be careful. CS

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Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Diagnosed with sleep apnea 2012 and on pap machine

Dealing with protracted sleep issues


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Posted 03 February 2015 - 10:45 AM

We have often warned that the supplement industry is unregulated and you  can never be sure what you are getting when you buy them.  Four major retailers in the United States have been ordered to stop selling their house brands of a number of supplements because they contained nothing but fillers.  It would be a good idea for anyone thinking about taking supplements to read this article.

 

http://www.msn.com/e...lers/ar-AA8VmjN


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.16mg 12-31-2016

 

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 04:03 PM

It's not as if the FDA is doing a good job regulating anything. After all, I certainly didn't see ANY warnings on ANY of my prescription paperwork about withdrawal, permanent side effects, or about side effects or withdrawal symptoms that last months or years. The FDA notoriously euphemizes side effects and is blatantly disregarding even admitting there is such a thing as withdrawal damage from psych meds.

So, while the supplement industry maybe unregulated, I seriously doubt that it can possibly be any more damaging than the medication industry and the FDA's shoddy, irresponsible, barely existent regulation of psychiatric medications.

I think the most reasonable approach is what Alto stated above: that we need to keep in mind that our medication damaged/withdrawal damaged bodies do not react to supplements the same way that healthy bodies do.

Healthy people should have more of a fear of prescription medications than of supplements. We med-damaged lot, though, are a different story and now must be cautious of EVERYTHING.

-Dual cold turkeys off TCA & Ativan in October 2014. Prescribed from 2011-2014, off-label for pain

-Meds were prescribed for an "autoimmune chronic pain disease."  It was a MISDIAGNOSIS, but did not find out until AFTER meds had caused total damage.  All med tapers & cold turkeys directed by doctors 

-Nortriptyline from May 2012 - Dec 2013

-Desipramine from Jan 2014 - October 2014. 60 mg reduced by 10 mg each month. Held 30 mg for 3 months. Rapid taper over 1 week from 30 mg down to 20, 10, 0

-Lorazepam 1 mg per night in 2011. In 2012, used 1 mg per month or less.  Lorazepam on & off Dec 2013 - Aug 2014, did not exceed 1.5 mg, did not exceed 3x a week

-On desipramine had muscle tremors & rigidity. Were they side effects or withdrawal effects as I reduced desip throughout 2014? Or was I in WD from nortrip as I was on desip? First muscle/dystonia side effects started on nortriptyline, but docs were too stupid to help me figure it out

-Last dosage desip 10 mg on Oct. 29, 2014. Last dose lzpam 1 mg, Nov. 2, 2014. Paradoxical reactions to benzos after quitting TCAs

-Tardive dystonia, dyskinesia, myoclonic jerks ALL over body, ribcage wiggles, facial tics, twitching tongue & fingers, tremors/twitches of arms, legs, cognitive impairment, throat muscles semi-paralyzed & unable to swallow solid food, brain zaps, ears ring, dizzy, everything looks too far away, insomnia, numbness & electric shocks everywhere when I try to fall asleep, jerk awake from sleep with big, gasping breaths, wake with terrors & tremors, severely depressed.  NO HISTORY OF DEPRESSION, EVER. Meds CREATED it.

-Month 7 off meds: hair falling out; no improvement in vision; still tardive dystonia; facial & tongue tics returned
-Month 8 off meds: thrown back to acute, including Grand Mal seizure-like episodes. New mental torment, PGAD, worse insomnia
-Month 9 off meds: tardive dystonia worsened, dyskinesia returned. Unable to breathe well due to dystonia in stomach, chest, throat.
-Month 13 off meds: Back to total acute, brain zaps back, plus developed eczema & stomach problems. Left leg no longer works right due to dystonia, meaning both legs are now damaged


#8 btdt

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 05:05 AM

It's not as if the FDA is doing a good job regulating anything. After all, I certainly didn't see ANY warnings on ANY of my prescription paperwork about withdrawal, permanent side effects, or about side effects or withdrawal symptoms that last months or years. The FDA notoriously euphemizes side effects and is blatantly disregarding even admitting there is such a thing as withdrawal damage from psych meds.

So, while the supplement industry maybe unregulated, I seriously doubt that it can possibly be any more damaging than the medication industry and the FDA's shoddy, irresponsible, barely existent regulation of psychiatric medications.

I think the most reasonable approach is what Alto stated above: that we need to keep in mind that our medication damaged/withdrawal damaged bodies do not react to supplements the same way that healthy bodies do.

Healthy people should have more of a fear of prescription medications than of supplements. We med-damaged lot, though, are a different story and now must be cautious of EVERYTHING.

 

I have to agree with you on most of what you say about the FDA.  On the other hand I don't want to take supplements that are questionable either... not really.  I want to know that what the labels says is in the bottle is actually in the bottle. Research your brands supposedly from my own research the Now brand is one of the better ones. I am sure there are others. 

 

One more point about this that has helped me decide what I am going to try.... keep in mind I have reacted badly early on to everything I put in my mouth food and supplements.... so I am extra cautious having learned everything the hard way.  Low dose to start is a must 1/6 th the recommended dose is what I learned at antidepressantfacts.com and it has served me well.  WAIT at the low dose after starting something too as it may take a few days or longer to tell. 

 

This I just found out a few wks ago... if your looking to take a supplement search it to see if it is used on kids under 12 in Europe.  If it is then it has been tested and you can be confident that what the label says is actually in the bottle.  There is a law in Europe that states all supplements meant for kids under 12 must be tested. 

 

This is one of the reason I decided to take the L.Reuteri  made by Bio Protectis it is tested patented and given to babies for colic. At least I know it was what I took was what the label says. 


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Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 11:47 PM

i havent read through everything yet, but i wanted to mention something i didnt see listed, in case anyone wants to add/discuss/research it: l-lysine complex as a supplement for some auto-immune related problems like canker sores.  (some people experience help from it, some dont, but i, personally, have.)

 

i have to dive in to all those PPI replacement threads because ive been trying to ditch mine for years and havent found a good coping taperer yet (but reading about how rebound acid overproduction works very much like serotonin oversensitivity in withdrawal syndrome reminded me of the importance of gradual changes instead of just dropping things).

 

great topics, and lively discussions in the threads ive read so far.  thanks a lot, everyone, for your work here.


from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  for all 5 years since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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Posted 20 April 2015 - 01:53 AM

We have often warned that the supplement industry is unregulated and you  can never be sure what you are getting when you buy them.  Four major retailers in the United States have been ordered to stop selling their house brands of a number of supplements because they contained nothing but fillers.  It would be a good idea for anyone thinking about taking supplements to read this article.

 

http://www.msn.com/e...lers/ar-AA8VmjN

Is the Big Pharma industry regulated, with proper trials?  I think not.  


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1992 Dothiepin 375mg 8 weeks, exhaustion/depression.  Serotonin syndrome, oh yes!  seizures . Fell pregnant, 3rd baby, Nitrous Oxide, 3 weeks mental hospital pp psychosis. zoloft tegretol.
Feb 1996 ct tegretol, tapered Zoloft 8 weeks. as (unexpectedly)  pregnant. Steven died after 3 days.(Zolft HLHS baby).  98 had run in with Paxil, 2 tablets, 3 weeks taper, survived.
2005..menopause? exhausted again. Zyprexa, mad in three days, fallout....  Seroquol, Effexor, tegretol,   and 8 years of self destruction. Failed taper.
Damn 1/4 valium... nuts again! .fallout, zoloft 100mg  seroquol 400mg mirtazapine 45 mg  tegretol 400mg.  Mid 14 3 month taper. Nov 14 CRASH.
Mid 15 ....   75mg  seroquel,  3 x 1800mg SJW  2 week window end of December followed by 6 week wave
5/2 68mg seroquel, 2.5 x 1800mg SJW::::20/2 61mg seroquel, 2.5 x  SJW::: 26/2 54mg seroquel, 2 x SJW::::21/3 43mg seroquel, 1 x 2700SJW :::: 23/4 36mg seroquel 1 x 1800 SJW
15/5 33mg seroquel, 1 x SJW::::   28/5 30mg seroquel, 1 x SJW::::;  18/6 25mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::::, 11/7 21mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::, 26/7 18mg seroquel 1/2 SJW:::, 9/8 12mg seroquel :::, 16/8 6mg seroquel ;;;;, 12/9 0 jump.

23/9  3mg.....,                     27/9 0mg.  Reinstated, 6mg, then 12mg...............  took for about 6 days.  LIGHTBULB MOMENT,  I have  MTHFR 2x mutations.  CFS and Morgellans, testing in progress.

Started MMS protocol 3/12/16  ( 5 days, on hold now )  waiting other testing....  9/12/16  1 x SSW per day, following decent doctor.  1 x hydroxo B12 injection today.

Found dentist, who probed, infection around that tooth, Xrays show nothing much, but it is full of infection. One antibiotic and wow, I feel so much better, tooth out tomorrow!


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Posted 17 August 2015 - 11:16 AM

Thought this was interesting regarding exercise and brain function in older people-

http://www.spring.or...aging-brain.php
Started 20mg Paxil 2006 due to postpartum depression- went to 10 mg no problem in 2008 -
May 2014 10 mg alternating days 7.25 mg- July 2014 7.25 every day
September 2014 7.25 alternating days 5 mg- November 2014 5 mg day
January 1 2015 back up to 10 mg - April 23, 2015 15mg
May 13, 2015 20mg - (tabs weight 25.0mg) February 26th 7.5mg off 25mg tablet
Sept 4th 2015 2.5 off 25mg tablet | March 18th. 8mg off 25mg tablet
October 30th. 3.5 off 25mg tablet. | April 11th. 9mg off 25mg tablet
November15th 4mg off 25mg tablet. | May 5th. 10mg off 25mg tablet
December 12th 5mg off 25 mg tablet | May 19th. 11mg off 25mg tablet
January 4 6mg off 25mg tablet |. June 7. 11.5 mg off 25mg tablet
January 25th. 6.5 off 25 mg tablet. July 11. 12 mg off 25 mg tablet
February 15th. 7mg off 25mg tablet. August 7 back down----October 13 2016 - omega 3 4800 mg per day - October 13, 2016--- vitamin d 4000mg per day

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 10:20 AM

Videos on healing

 

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merged and added title

2000 - sertraline for job anxiety low confidence (17 years old) ..which turned the next 16 years into nightmare!

On/off sertraline severe withdrawals every time. 2014 - felt better as reduced dose of sertraline no more inner restlessness. Doctor rushed off again. Hit severe withdrawal. Lost the little I had in life. Couldn't get stable again on 12.5mg. Was switched to prozac. Had severe reaction to prozac..came off in November 2015 at 6mg as felt more confused and damaged on it..Even more withdrawal ..rage, depression, dyphoria, near constant suicidal ideation, self harm impulses, doom, concrete block in head, unable to do much of anything with this feeling in head..went back on 6mg of sertraline to see if would alleviate anything. It didn't..reduced from December to June 2016 came off at 2.5mg sertraline as was hospitalised for the severe rage, suicidal impulses, and put on 50mg lofepramine which in 2nd week reduced all symptoms but gave insomnia which still have..psych stopped lofepramine cold turkey..no increased withdrawal symptoms new symptoms from lofepramine except persistant insomnia which has as side effect.

Taking Ativan for 8 months for the severe rage self harm impulses 1-3 times a week (mostly 2 times a week) at .5mg. Two months (I'm unsure exactly when the interdose started to happen) ago interdose withdrawal seemed to happen..2 days I think after the Ativan.


Nightmare that could have been avoided!

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 12:27 PM

Here are some topics discussing tests, supplements, herbs, and treatments that may answer your questions.

No matter what you read about "natural" supplements or herbs, or even if an alternative practitioner, naturopath, or integrative doctor recommends them, you cannot treat withdrawal syndrome as though it is "natural" depression.

In "natural" depression, your nervous system is normal and it is operating your body properly. In withdrawal syndrome, your nervous system is struggling to get back to normal operation. Don't try to speed this along with anything that may be stimulating, or you may further unbalance it.

SAM-E and other supplements that act on serotonin, including St. John's Wort, are not recommended for people with withdrawal syndrome. They tend to be stimulating in a way that most of us really do not need.

Many herbs also have unusual side effects in people with withdrawal syndrome.

Whatever you try, understand you may be hypersensitive to that particular substance or treatment. If you are trying an herb or supplement, take a tiny fraction of a normal dose and see how you react. Don't think you're going to smack a symptom down with a big dose of anything. More is not better when your system is sensitized by withdrawal.

Try herbs or supplements one by one. Don't take a bunch of supplements at once. If you have a bad reaction, you won't know which substance caused it. For this reason, we don't recommend "mixed" supplements, such as B vitamin supplements or sleep supplements with multiple ingredients.

We also don't recommend programs that promise you a fast recovery. Generally, they are overpriced and contain common supplements you can find yourself at lower prices. You will want to try those supplements one by one anyway, as taking them all together may cause unpleasant reactions.
 
See Don't waste your money on these supplements

Click on the links and add to these topics if you wish:

_______________________________________
CHECK FOR DRUG AND SUPPLEMENT INTERACTIONS !!!!!!!

Drug Interactions Checker -- use it to reduce your drug burden

_______________________________________
REDUCING CORTISOL, THE ANXIETY HORMONE
 
Reducing cortisol and waking with panic or anxiety *

_______________________________________
AMINO ACIDS

5-HTP (5-hydroxytryptophan) and tryptophan

L-arginine An amino acid good for sleep?

L-glycine for sleep?

Update on milk peptides for sleep: Our friend Lactium again *

SAM-e (S-adenosyl-L-methionine)

Taurine (L-taurine amino acid)
 
L-Theanine for anxiety, insomnia

whey protein isolate *

_______________________________________
SUPPLEMENTS AND HERBS
 
Can you take too many supplements?
 
Supplements - how long should I give them?
 
CoQ10

Curcumin -- helps neurons to recover? Supplement derived from Indian spice turmeric

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker *

Melatonin for sleep: Many people find it helpful *

Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil) *

Valerian Root

_______________________________________
TESTS

Pharmacogenetics Testing

Thyroid symptoms

What lab testing is reasonable prior to starting or tapering?

The trouble with brain scans -- fMRI, QEEG, or SPECT -- for psychiatric problems

_______________________________________
TREATMENTS

Liver detox: A good idea?

Ask Shanti about homeopathy

_______________________________________
VITAMINS

Vitamin A and beta-carotene

Vitamin B3 (niacin, niacinamide)

Vitamin B12

Vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol or calcitriol)

Got too much vitamin D - Now what?

Deplin -- the L-methylfolate swindle

_______________________________________
DIET AND DIGESTION
 
That acid reflux pill may be causing your health problems
 
Digestive problems: Nausea, Diarrhea, Bloating, GERD
 
Food sensitivities
 
Gluten Sensitivity Vs. Celiac Disease Vs. Gluten Intolerance...
 
Histamine food intolerance
 
SCD/GAPS/Paleo Diets
 
Probiotics and gut health
* Many people find this helpful for withdrawal symptoms. Always try a small amount first to see how your system reacts.

 

It should probably be noted here the many supplements are denatured by the low pH of the stomach, or simply deactivated by the low pH of the stomach.  Many vitamins and minerals have finite saturation points after which excess either builds up in the body in toxic ways (all fat soluable vitamins, iron, etc) or is excreted in the urine. 

 

It should also be noted that no supplements require any testiing whatsoever for quality control (or at least MINIMAL testing compared to things such as food, drinks, or over the counter, or prescription drugs).  These supplements are MINIMALLY regulated, and often come from DUBIOUS sources - regardless of what your alternative practitioner tells you.  Unless they go out into their garden and pick the herbs themselves and show them to you - scepticism is warranted.  If you think drugs like SSRIS which undergo FDA testing can cause serious injury, how do you think drugs which have NO guidelines are going to affect you?   There's absolutely NO safeguard against rat feces or other contaminates being entered into your medications.  Some of the larger companies such as johnson and johnson have more rigorous product quality control than the obscure no named sources.  If you're going to take a supplement, choose a WELL KNOWN brand, such as centrium versus that brand that your local eastern medicine practitioner recommends.  I wouldn't trust a sensitive nervous system with a chemical that has very little quality control - there could be irritants that are not listed because the herb was sitting on a factory floor in Mexico for 3 years prior to being bottled and shipped to your local Rite Aid. 

 

The only supplements that are really worthwhile are multivitamins, and some isolated vitamins and minerals, if you happen to have some sort of deficiency.

 

RARELY have I seen anyone who is taking supplements correctly - they are mostly all just a complete waste of money and a placebo pill that costs you $15 bucks for a little bottle.  It might feel nice to believe that you're getting a significant benefit from these supplements, but there's a very good chance that all you're getting is more expensive urine as the drug is excreted into the toilet bowl.

 

It should also be noted here that many alternative medicine practitioners prescribe supplements like doctors prescribe pharmaceutical medications.  The brands that they prescribe are often times tailored for that specific doctor - but this is nothing more than an elaborate scam.  the drugs these doctors recommend are often manufactured by the same companies that supply to other labels - but they offer a special service for making your own specific brand so it seems tailored specifically for a purpose like homeopathy or naturopathy. 

 

If you eat a well balanced diet with your daily dose of fruits, vegetables, red meat, fish, etc etc etc, you will get 100% of all of your dietary needs of all vitamins and minerals and supplements.  All your omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids will be supplied, and you will not need a single supplement.  If you get out into the sun for 30 minutes a day, you don't need vitamin D.  During the winter months, you may benefit from a vitamin D supplement - but orally ingested Vitamin D is VERY poorly absorbed and utilized into D3 in your blood - so you need MEGA doses of it to just get the same thing you will get if you lay out in the sun for 30 minutes.


8 Words of Wisdom about Adverse Effects and Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal Syndrome:

 

1.  Please do learn about this condition by thoroughly reading 1) Dr. Healy's website and SurvivingAntidepressants.

2.  Please read books like: 1) Anatomy of An Epidemic and 2) Mad in America.

3.  Success Stories do exist.

4.  Please be extremely cautious about reinstatements, recreational drugs, supplements.  Even low doses can complicate matters.

5.  Transfer all financial assets into your own name (hint: relationships end).  Do not spend money wastefully.  Keep your job as long as possible.

6.  Psychiatric drug "withdrawal" and adverse effects are serious neurological reactions to powerful "drugs" - do not take this condition lightly.

7.  These conditions almost never recognized by any medical doctors - hospitalization/appointments can be futile/potentially injurious.

8.  PSSD, anhedonia (no emotions), memory loss, brain zaps, etc are scary - don't worsen them by taking more drugs, supplements, and medications.

 

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 02:13 PM

It's interesting to note that just a couple of months ago three of the largest retailers in the United States were forced to stop selling several name brand supplements because when they were tested they contained none of the active ingredient they claimed to supply.  They were made entirely of "harmless" fillers. 


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mg it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.16mg 12-31-2016

 

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 06:09 PM

I just read on a pharmacist's blog that she recommends Pure Encapsulations.


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 11:09 AM

Anyone use Standard Process Supplements?


Never been on a drug in my life, Had UTI was put on several antibiotics & lost my sleep.
Seroqoil in Sept '15
Was put on Ativan &/or Klonopin, stopped both Lunesta in Aug '15 3mg
Celexa since Oct '15 40mg
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OFF ALL except celexa 40mg 🙏
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Posted 25 January 2016 - 02:10 PM

Name the test to help avoid drug reactions please. 


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 06:12 PM

Name the test to help avoid drug reactions please.


I don't think there is any such tests, some genetic testing looks at liver enzymes which can tell if you are more likely to develop a higher or lower blood level from some drugs than expected. I had Genomind, required by doctor. It is pretty expensive if not with a dr. Who works with them.

In other supplement issues, I am finding lemon balm to be helpful, but at a lower dose than dr. recommended (although he recommended starting small as well). He said usual dose is 1000mg twice daily, which made me irritable but did help sleep, doing better on 400 mg twice daily.

Found. Examine.com to be interesting as to what mechanism of action for some botanicals might be.
1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.
Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12
Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13
Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15
11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)
9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol
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Posted 27 February 2016 - 04:29 PM

It's interesting to note that just a couple of months ago three of the largest retailers in the United States were forced to stop selling several name brand supplements because when they were tested they contained none of the active ingredient they claimed to supply.  They were made entirely of "harmless" fillers. 

Wow Gotzsche is right "We cannot assume that vitamin pills must be healthy'. pg 5' Deadly medicines....'

or i guess we cannot assume we are swallowing what we are told we are swallowing.

 

Check out this occurrence at a school just north of Cape Foulwind...

Basically GSK asserted their drink contained vitamin c but 2 school girls proved for science homework it contained ...wait for it...'zero' vitamin c.

Read what happened next!

http://www.theguardi...de.foodanddrink

 

Here is  Gotzsche's full paragraph.

 

We also need essential minerals, e.g. zinc and copper, to make our enzymes work. But if we ingest too much, we get intoxicated. Thus, given what we know about the human body, we cannot assume that vitamin pills must be healthy. It is the earliest memory I have of a medical prophylactic intervention, and it took about 50 years before it became known whether vitamins are beneficial or harmful. A 2008 review of the placebo-controlled trials of antioxidants (beta-carotene, vitamin A and vitamin E) showed that they increase overall mortality.


2000 amitryptaline, nortriptaline venlafaxine clonazepam for  arm pain from keyboard use, told I had a chemical imbalance it would fix my arm was just a matter of finding the right med for me not informed of the nature of these drugs assured safe and not addictive, CT off Effexor after being told to double the dose on reporting adverse effects...later ..uncharacteristic psych panic tearful presented to doctor to get answers. Given paroxetine no questions asked 'safe and not addictive' next please.2001-2010 paroxetine (paxil) 2 failed attempts to quit, a learned helplessness set in. Feb 10 - Sept 10,  8 month clueless taper, hell. Doc said I had underlying depression .. I said that's not right' then found online support group and the truth!...overcome with inconceivable humiliation and outrage. 28 Sept 10 drug free ...  daily psych and emotional torture beginning in the waking hours of the morning receding somewhat in the evening only to start up again the next day. 28 Sept 12 (24 months) Stabilizing  (What an indescribable unimaginable non-functional nightmare). sleep issues start up at 3 yrs  waking daily at 2am -4.30am)28 Sept 15 (5yrs drug free), cf, cmw, insomnia  horrifying pssd continues, still feel Rip van Winkle-ish, cognitively doing heaps better. 28 Sept 16 after 6 yrs start working again on a casual basis.

 

"It is unsafe for people who suffer from something that could be treated with an ssri to consult a psychiatrist." Gotzshe 2015. [ I think Gotzsche could have easily meant to say 'to consult anyone with prescribing privileges'].

 

“Paroxetine is not safe, it is not effective and it meets every known definition of addictive.” McLaren, N, (2016) 'Psychiatry as bullsh*t’ p55..."Psychiatry is stuffed full of 'deep nonsense' better known as bullsh*t." McLaren 2016

 

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

See  my intro post #451 for the xanax back story and for a CV -GSKs.  Come on guys get taperwise see a TaperMe Schedule

 For a staggeringly shocking 'prozac back story' see the truth post #523

 

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Posted 05 April 2016 - 03:43 PM

I tried magnesium citrate just 25 mgs and it made me very anxious. I tried it twice. I have always been able to take vitamin c. Not any more. My husband suggested I start taking it again. I took one this morning and just about went through the roof for several hours. From now on i am staying away from all vitamins and supplements.
<p>It all started with hashimotos thyroiditis.1994-2012 all the different kinds of antidepressants. 1997 xanax 1.5 klonopin 2006. Geodon started 2003 160 mgs. Many neuroleptics. Seems like l have been on everything. gabapentin 900 mg 2013-present.
librium 75 mg then 60mg 5/15 Tapered trazodone from October 2014 450 mgs to march 2015 0 mgs. Geodon reduced from 80 mg 8/2014 to 0 12/19/15. switched to 3 mgs of clonazepam 11/15. 12/16 2 mg clonazepam. Stopped 88 mcg levothyroxine. Introduced 32.5 mg nature-throid 12/20/16 Horrid reaction to Nature-Throid. Stopped taking after accidentally taking 15 mg clonazepam in stupor. Tapered prevacid 8/16 after 6 six years use.
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Posted 05 May 2016 - 05:17 PM

Epsom salts in the bath is the gentlest form of magnesium - it may be worth a try.


2010 May Fluoxetine 20mg. Raging mostly stops, become more functional.
2011 February Escitalopram 10mg (sudden switch). 2012 January Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Early June Feeling great, decide to taper. Doc advises alternate days 20mg/10mg for 4 weeks.  Late June Steady. Drop to 10mg daily. Early July Not coping, raging, flu symptoms, shaky, anxious, low, spaced-out, self-destructive.  Mid July Return to alternate days 20mg/10mg - minimal improvement. Early August Return to full dose 20mg. Lost.
2014 February Switch to Venlafaxine. (First reduced Esc. to 10mg/day for a week) Feb-April Lost, 'light' self-harm, exhausted.
April Increase Ven. to 150mg/day. Dizzy. July 75mg twice a day to improve dizziness. Deep depression remains.  2015 Feb Vigilant dose spacing partially eases dizziness. Mar Switch to Effexor 75mg 2x/day. May Cut 10% to 135mg - bad w/d 2 mths, held 1 mth.  Aug 1.3% cut - bad 1mth, held 1mth. Oct 4 wkly 0.4% cuts held 6 weeks. Jan 2016 2 wkly 0.4% cuts. 8 month hold. Sept Wkly cuts: 0.5%, 3 1% cuts.  Oct 4 wkly 1% cuts, hold 3-4 weeks.
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Posted 05 May 2016 - 05:25 PM

We have often warned that the supplement industry is unregulated and you  can never be sure what you are getting when you buy them.  Four major retailers in the United States have been ordered to stop selling their house brands of a number of supplements because they contained nothing but fillers.  It would be a good idea for anyone thinking about taking supplements to read this article.

 

http://www.msn.com/e...lers/ar-AA8VmjN

Yes, that's why it's important to be in-tune with your body and reactions to supplements, not being ignorant but not being so overaware that you become utterly stilted into a walking dramatization of placebo-effect, either. Also, I only buy from companies willing to present a certificate of analysis.


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WITHDRAWAL REGIMEN/STORY

Originally for OCD, the luvox took about 6 months to taper off.

Withdrawal supplements; lemon balm, Vitamin B3, black water/fulvic acid, high-protein diet to restore neurotransmitters, aniracetam to counter memory issues, deprenyl for persisting anhedonia.

Regimen still maintained til this day. Lemon balm, generally as capsules, however, as I suffer chronic Insomnia, I often use essential oil or as aromatherapy before bed , in combination with magnesium and lysine on bad nights.


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Posted 05 May 2016 - 06:23 PM

At antidepressantfacts.com I read a good bit of advice about supplements and vitamins 

start at 1/6 th the recommended dose and work your way up from there if your going to have a reaction it is best to keep to a min.  I have had reactions from vitamins that take 6wks to 2 months to pass and fallout from drugs that take longer. 

 

Start low and stay low for at least a wk then go up very slowly. 


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 10:13 AM

At antidepressantfacts.com I read a good bit of advice about supplements and vitamins 

start at 1/6 th the recommended dose and work your way up from there if your going to have a reaction it is best to keep to a min.  I have had reactions from vitamins that take 6wks to 2 months to pass and fallout from drugs that take longer. 

 

Start low and stay low for at least a wk then go up very slowly. 

Yeah, everything in moderation. I've gotten some very pronounced side-effects even from simple stuff. I guess some of it can be fillers, or preservatives in particular brands of supplements. One of the core things to remember, is that some supplement companies are run by the same people that run pharmaceutical companies. Centrum, possibly Vitafusion (gummies etc). Then other mainline brands that are advertised excessively, and then you have some scam operations like Prevagin, a pill which has no evidence to it and is routinely marketed on TV about 12 times a day on every channel.


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Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it

~Terry Pratchett~


WITHDRAWAL REGIMEN/STORY

Originally for OCD, the luvox took about 6 months to taper off.

Withdrawal supplements; lemon balm, Vitamin B3, black water/fulvic acid, high-protein diet to restore neurotransmitters, aniracetam to counter memory issues, deprenyl for persisting anhedonia.

Regimen still maintained til this day. Lemon balm, generally as capsules, however, as I suffer chronic Insomnia, I often use essential oil or as aromatherapy before bed , in combination with magnesium and lysine on bad nights.


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Posted 14 May 2016 - 04:54 PM

I am tying a new probiotic with more strains that lower histamine and one that supposedly heals the gut and selenium vit E and Glutathione  we will see

ps bits of ground up mag citrate during the day


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivinganti...ng-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)


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Posted 30 May 2016 - 04:07 AM

Hi, has anyone used Magnesium Citrate? and have you had problems with swelling or edema?

 

Thank you.


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In 2004 - abruptly stopped carbamezapine after falling pregnant.  

In 2009 - changed from Fluoexitine to Citalopram 20mg.

In 2014 - tappered off clanozepam.

In Aug 2015 - cold turkey off Citalopram :o

From Aug - Dec 2015 I had mostly flu-like symptoms and trouble sleeping. From Jan - April 2016 Emotional nightmare ensued, paranoia, excessive anxiety and tormenting thoughts, basically trying to manage these emotions and thoughts which are exhausting.  Lots of intense emotions followed by tears, at times howling when Im alone.In March 2016 I tried Choline & Inisitol, Vit B Complex, Using Aromatherapy, like Lavendar, Clary Sage and others.

In April STOPPED Choline & Inositol as I beleive it was giving me shakes and making me more anxious.  It also made me feel like i'd taken a benzo tablet making me feel sedated.  Reading - The Body Keeps Score by Bessel Van Der Kolk (recommended by a member on this group).

Symptoms - extreme low self esteem and insecurity, intense emotions and tearfulness. This is so so hard.  But im going to keep pushing.  Feel bad for my 2 girls and husband.  I don't want to be seen in this way, especially by the girls. Self-help : praying, meditating, breathing exercises and physical exercises.

Ceterizine (antihistamine) - I've been taking this for many years now for itchiness in my palms and feet.  I take them as and when I need them. JULY 2016 Dr Bach homeopathic remedies and 'rescue remedy'


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Posted 30 May 2016 - 11:57 PM

I have been using mag.citrate for probably half a year now, and have experienced no ill-effects from it.  Of course always start low and increase slowly - we are all different. 


2010 May Fluoxetine 20mg. Raging mostly stops, become more functional.
2011 February Escitalopram 10mg (sudden switch). 2012 January Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Early June Feeling great, decide to taper. Doc advises alternate days 20mg/10mg for 4 weeks.  Late June Steady. Drop to 10mg daily. Early July Not coping, raging, flu symptoms, shaky, anxious, low, spaced-out, self-destructive.  Mid July Return to alternate days 20mg/10mg - minimal improvement. Early August Return to full dose 20mg. Lost.
2014 February Switch to Venlafaxine. (First reduced Esc. to 10mg/day for a week) Feb-April Lost, 'light' self-harm, exhausted.
April Increase Ven. to 150mg/day. Dizzy. July 75mg twice a day to improve dizziness. Deep depression remains.  2015 Feb Vigilant dose spacing partially eases dizziness. Mar Switch to Effexor 75mg 2x/day. May Cut 10% to 135mg - bad w/d 2 mths, held 1 mth.  Aug 1.3% cut - bad 1mth, held 1mth. Oct 4 wkly 0.4% cuts held 6 weeks. Jan 2016 2 wkly 0.4% cuts. 8 month hold. Sept Wkly cuts: 0.5%, 3 1% cuts.  Oct 4 wkly 1% cuts, hold 3-4 weeks.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamins E & C, magnesium, iron, MSM, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.  My story of healing: ContinuedHealing

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Posted 31 May 2016 - 07:22 AM

Any bad reactions to vitamin e?
Zoloft 6mg gabapentin 600 mg lamictal 25 mg

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Posted 31 May 2016 - 07:32 AM

I have been using mag.citrate for probably half a year now, and have experienced no ill-effects from it.  Of course always start low and increase slowly - we are all different. 

thanks Karen


In 2001 - started on Carbamezapine (can't remember dose), Fluoexitine 20mg, Clanozepam (low dose) after a nervous breakdown.

In 2004 - abruptly stopped carbamezapine after falling pregnant.  

In 2009 - changed from Fluoexitine to Citalopram 20mg.

In 2014 - tappered off clanozepam.

In Aug 2015 - cold turkey off Citalopram :o

From Aug - Dec 2015 I had mostly flu-like symptoms and trouble sleeping. From Jan - April 2016 Emotional nightmare ensued, paranoia, excessive anxiety and tormenting thoughts, basically trying to manage these emotions and thoughts which are exhausting.  Lots of intense emotions followed by tears, at times howling when Im alone.In March 2016 I tried Choline & Inisitol, Vit B Complex, Using Aromatherapy, like Lavendar, Clary Sage and others.

In April STOPPED Choline & Inositol as I beleive it was giving me shakes and making me more anxious.  It also made me feel like i'd taken a benzo tablet making me feel sedated.  Reading - The Body Keeps Score by Bessel Van Der Kolk (recommended by a member on this group).

Symptoms - extreme low self esteem and insecurity, intense emotions and tearfulness. This is so so hard.  But im going to keep pushing.  Feel bad for my 2 girls and husband.  I don't want to be seen in this way, especially by the girls. Self-help : praying, meditating, breathing exercises and physical exercises.

Ceterizine (antihistamine) - I've been taking this for many years now for itchiness in my palms and feet.  I take them as and when I need them. JULY 2016 Dr Bach homeopathic remedies and 'rescue remedy'


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Posted 05 June 2016 - 10:58 PM

Hi, has anyone used Magnesium Citrate? and have you had problems with swelling or edema?

 

Thank you.

Once I read your question I thought maybe I was... swelling from mag citrate I have been taking it for a long time and been swollen for a long time... I kind of just accept it like everything else I live with.. since reading I looked it up and some other people do swell from it.. see this

http://www.curezone....m.asp?i=1440374


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Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

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#31 Weasel

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Posted 07 June 2016 - 05:55 PM

Just wanted to share a smoothie with about 1000 calories for those of you like me with food sensitivities I tolerate very well
2 cups coconut milk
1 tablespoon olive oil
4 tablespoons organic smooth peanut butter
1whole avocado
1 banana
1/2 cup dry oats

Very nutritious as well! Hugs and kisses!
Zoloft 6mg gabapentin 600 mg lamictal 25 mg

#32 Marsha

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Posted 28 November 2016 - 03:15 PM

I almost got sucked into all this testing. I am glad I came here before wasting my money on lots of tests ordered from a NeuroScience naturopath. I honestly think I uncovered a huge scam going on at HillParkMedical in Sebastopol. I am going to try and get my money back from the initial visit.
<p>It all started with hashimotos thyroiditis.1994-2012 all the different kinds of antidepressants. 1997 xanax 1.5 klonopin 2006. Geodon started 2003 160 mgs. Many neuroleptics. Seems like l have been on everything. gabapentin 900 mg 2013-present.
librium 75 mg then 60mg 5/15 Tapered trazodone from October 2014 450 mgs to march 2015 0 mgs. Geodon reduced from 80 mg 8/2014 to 0 12/19/15. switched to 3 mgs of clonazepam 11/15. 12/16 2 mg clonazepam. Stopped 88 mcg levothyroxine. Introduced 32.5 mg nature-throid 12/20/16 Horrid reaction to Nature-Throid. Stopped taking after accidentally taking 15 mg clonazepam in stupor. Tapered prevacid 8/16 after 6 six years use.
Supplements:D3 2000 iu. Digestive enzymes, probiotic. No gluten, sugar, dairy. Eating nutrient dense foods to promote healing. Practicing movement exercises. Working with a very aware and experienced counselor.

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 05:41 PM

Hi Alto, and everyone,  could you add a topic here about   checking your teeth.           I have found my major health problem, causing all this.              I had a root canal done 25 years ago, and all my problems, including chronic ear infection, ear operation, depression, exhaustion,       started about 2 years after that.

 

Had to go to three dentists, and demand!  before they finally dug around, and down went his little pic, side of tooth,  into YUCK. All this yuck has been leaking from that dead bacteria farm, ie root canal tooth for over 20 years.   I had the cultures from my present ear infection, and yes the bacteria in my ear, are common infections found in infected root canal teeth.  Left side of my face a few months back  at crisis point, was full of itchy dry scabs,  all same side as the tooth.  Xrays do not show a rotten tooth, as the tooth is totally dead, root canal means all the living blood, tissue, pulp is removed, and you are left with a dead thing in your mouth.  

 

Seems root canals, are the same sort of  ""political""      medical science.        They go so overboard  (even the one who finally is going to pull the damn thing out) to say how wonderful root canals are, they are like a pre recorded record.  They ALL give the same spiel,  root canals are wonderful, you have had it 25 years, thats a success,   dont read stuff on the internet.           Then that dentist, admitted, the tooth was infected, and the ""muck"' was leaking out of it, around the back of the tooth, he his a gusher!  YUCK.     I will not elaborate, dont want to put you off christmas dinner!

 

Have a great one everybody,  after 2 years of chronic fatigue, getting off those antidepressants, was the best thiing I ever did, all they do is mask a problem, until the body completely breaks down.

 

I reckon my immune system is strong, it has done a pretty decent job, fighting the bacteria from this infection powerhouse  (dead tooth) for over 20 years.           It said enough is enough about 6 weeks ago.   My Natural Killer cells are double what they should be.                  Yep,  this staph, does enter cells, and the ONLY cells that can kill our own cells are natural killer cells.                     On ordinary blood tests, all looks fine.   But when best quality testing is done, my Killer Cells are double............ the upper limit.        

 

Also MTHFR,   when my immune system began packing up completely, I had little B12.                Again, blood tests show levels of B vitamins are fine, but a BETTER test done, called homocysteine, showed something very wrong.   With the MTHFR,   the wrong B12, and folic acid  (sysnthetic crap in our food),  is not used.    Can not be used with my genetics, so it clogs ups everything,  and I then can not use real folate in food.        B12 tablets were also useless.  I had one B12 shot of the right form of B12,  and it got me out of bed,  moving, and calmed my whacked out brain.        

 

Wow,  lets hope, my 2017 will be so much better than the last few years.          


ROOT CANAL done around 1990.

1992 Dothiepin 375mg 8 weeks, exhaustion/depression.  Serotonin syndrome, oh yes!  seizures . Fell pregnant, 3rd baby, Nitrous Oxide, 3 weeks mental hospital pp psychosis. zoloft tegretol.
Feb 1996 ct tegretol, tapered Zoloft 8 weeks. as (unexpectedly)  pregnant. Steven died after 3 days.(Zolft HLHS baby).  98 had run in with Paxil, 2 tablets, 3 weeks taper, survived.
2005..menopause? exhausted again. Zyprexa, mad in three days, fallout....  Seroquol, Effexor, tegretol,   and 8 years of self destruction. Failed taper.
Damn 1/4 valium... nuts again! .fallout, zoloft 100mg  seroquol 400mg mirtazapine 45 mg  tegretol 400mg.  Mid 14 3 month taper. Nov 14 CRASH.
Mid 15 ....   75mg  seroquel,  3 x 1800mg SJW  2 week window end of December followed by 6 week wave
5/2 68mg seroquel, 2.5 x 1800mg SJW::::20/2 61mg seroquel, 2.5 x  SJW::: 26/2 54mg seroquel, 2 x SJW::::21/3 43mg seroquel, 1 x 2700SJW :::: 23/4 36mg seroquel 1 x 1800 SJW
15/5 33mg seroquel, 1 x SJW::::   28/5 30mg seroquel, 1 x SJW::::;  18/6 25mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::::, 11/7 21mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::, 26/7 18mg seroquel 1/2 SJW:::, 9/8 12mg seroquel :::, 16/8 6mg seroquel ;;;;, 12/9 0 jump.

23/9  3mg.....,                     27/9 0mg.  Reinstated, 6mg, then 12mg...............  took for about 6 days.  LIGHTBULB MOMENT,  I have  MTHFR 2x mutations.  CFS and Morgellans, testing in progress.

Started MMS protocol 3/12/16  ( 5 days, on hold now )  waiting other testing....  9/12/16  1 x SSW per day, following decent doctor.  1 x hydroxo B12 injection today.

Found dentist, who probed, infection around that tooth, Xrays show nothing much, but it is full of infection. One antibiotic and wow, I feel so much better, tooth out tomorrow!