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#1 Punarbhava

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 03:05 PM

[recommendations from Punarbhava]

1) Your Drug May be Your Problem (How and Why to Stop Taking Psychiatric Medications) by Dr. Peter Breggin and David Cohen Ph. D PDF here.

2) Rethinking Psychiatric Drugs: A Guide for Informed Consent by Dr. Grace E. Jackson MD

3) Drug Induced Dementia - A Perfect Crime by Dr. Grace E. Jackson MD
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Posted 22 April 2011 - 06:03 PM

Anatomy of an Epidemic: Magic Bullets, Psychiatric Drugs, and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America by Robert Whitaker

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"In this astonishing and startling book, award-winning science and history writer Robert Whitaker investigates a medical mystery: Why has the number of disabled mentally ill in the United States tripled over the past two decades? Every day, 1,100 adults and children are added to the government disability rolls because they have become newly disabled by mental illness, with this epidemic spreading most rapidly among our nation’s children. What is going on?

Anatomy of an Epidemic challenges readers to think through that question themselves. First, Whitaker investigates what is known today about the biological causes of mental disorders. Do psychiatric medications fix “chemical imbalances” in the brain, or do they, in fact, create them? Researchers spent decades studying that question, and by the late 1980s, they had their answer. Readers will be startled—and dismayed—to discover what was reported in the scientific journals...."
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Posted 23 April 2011 - 11:04 AM

An Interview with Charles L. Whitfield: On his new book

Not Crazy: You May Not be Mentally Ill

http://www.education...ews/105381.html


02/01/2011 15:33:00 Michael F. Shaughnessy Senior Columnist EducationNews.org
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Michael F. Shaughnessy - The chances are 90% or more of someone being misdiagnosed―not just in psychiatry but in most of medicine, and perhaps a lower percentage among many who consult psychologists, social workers or counselors.

Michael F. Shaughnessy
Eastern New Mexico University
Portales, New Mexico


1) Dr. Whitfield, your book discusses those individuals who may be misdiagnosed. In the field of psychiatry, what are the chances of someone being misdiagnosed?

The chances are 90% or more of someone being misdiagnosed―not just in psychiatry but in most of medicine, and perhaps a lower percentage among many who consult psychologists, social workers or counselors.

The problem is two-fold: for nearly all patients who present to clinicians with psychiatric or psychological symptoms (emotional, behavioral or relationship pain or problems) the helping professionals’ 1) using the unscientific psychiatry diagnostic “bible” called the DSM (which most of the latter group still uses), and 2) then after misdiagnosing them, giving drugs or referring them for drugs as an answer.

Most of we prescription writers were taught how to write them but not so much how to discern which drugs worked well and which ones were more toxic than helpful.

Many who come for help with these complaints actually have PTSD or other effects of trauma which can mimic the symptoms of “mental illness.” Most physicians and many non-MD clinicians don't know or don't have skills in recognizing the effects of repeated childhood and later trauma on peoples' mental and physical health.

Those hurtful effects are significant and large. The scientific evidence is also significant to overwhelming for repeated trauma as a causal factor in disrupting the victim's mental and physical health.

For example, in my two prior books The Truth about Depression and The Truth about Mental Illness I document well over 300 peer reviewed and data based studies that were published worldwide that show how repeated trauma causes all kinds of psychological, emotional and physical pain that can be and is regularly misdiagnosed as being one kind or another of "mental Illness" and then mistreated with toxic and mostly ineffective psychiatric drugs.

I summarize and discuss these study results in table E-1 from The Truth about Mental Illness and Not Crazy below.


2) Now, often there are side effects to medications, and then additional pills are given to counteract the side effects. What is going on here?


Especially for psychiatric drugs the term "side effects" is a cover-up for what the correct term should be―which is toxic effects. As others such as psychiatrists Peter Breggin, Grace Jackson, Joanna Moncrieff and I describe, nearly all psychiatric drugs today are neither satisfactorily effective, specific for any so called "mental illness," nor safe.

They don't work well and are commonly detrimental to our well being if we take them long term. Their effects do not hit the target of the presenting complaints well. Rather, their effects are like a shot gun blast, as illustrated from a figure in Chapter 14 in my new book called Not Crazy: You May Not be Mentally Il (see figure).

As I write on page 181 in this new book: “A major reason why most commonly prescribed psychiatric drugs are non-specific in their actions and don't work well is because they do not hit the target at which they are aimed, i.e., at one or more presumed mental illness(es). Instead, nearly all of these drugs tend to detrimentally affect many if not most of our organs, functions, and useful human faculties outside of or in addition to the target symptom or symptoms. In that sense they have been called "shotgun" drugs.


It is as though a marksman is shooting at a target to hit the bulls eye (the symptom or “mental illness” alone) with a single bullet, but instead hits most everything outside the target (i.e., the drug's toxic effects, which BigPharma and the other Bigs disguise by calling them "side effects"). In this sense a psych drug’s shotgun blast at times may hit parts of the target, but it also hits almost everything else in the area―in and around the area in which the target sits, including the trees, the ground and any animals or humans who may be in the background (Figure 14.1).


These surrounding areas are analogous to many to most of the body's organs, including the brain, nervous system and the mind and its crucial functioning capacities.”

I continue: “Psychiatric drugs neither treat nor cure any "mental illness." What they "treat" are psychiatric symptoms―but at a price―by disabling the brain, mind, emotions and our decision-making abilities, and thereby inducing an abnormal brain state.”


3) Dr. Whitfield, we all have problems and have to deal with death, loss, problems and despair. Should all individuals who have suffered a loss or death be diagnosed and given anti-depressants?


This is a nearly universal experience that people have who come to clinicians who then misdiagnose their sadness, low energy, anxiety (the common code word for fear), and so forth as "depression" or some other "mental illness" and who are then mistreated with antidepressants and/or other psychiatric drugs. If their symptoms persist, they are commonly further mistreated with "mood stabilizers" (which are actually toxic and expensive anticonvulsive drugs that sedate, promote weight gain and other problems―see figure above) and/or with the even more toxic and addicting antipychotics.

Grieving is a natural part of our human experience. Life gives us hurts, losses and traumas for which we normally feel sad and grieve. In psychotherapy we see sadness and grieving as an opportunity to learn to listen to our inner life. What we have lost can often give us gifts if we open to that possibility.


4) There is this big debate about attention deficit disorder and these kids being given Ritalin, Adderol, Cylert, Concerta, Strattera etc etc (It’s amazing that I have these drugs memorized-what does this say about the field?) Is there any virus, bacteria, or fungus or anything that can definitively diagnose ADD or ADHD?


ADD is a condition generally made-up by Big Pharma and supported by the other Bigs (Big Government, Big Insurance, Big Academia and Big professional groups) to sell drugs, control people, and maintain their own jobs. Here, those most affected are especially children and increasingly adults who were drugged as kids (and now are commonly still addicted to stimulants and other psychiatric drugs) and/or who want just to use speed legally as a drug.

As is true for all common "mental illness," there is no laboratory or other definitive medical diagnostic test to prove that ADD (or ADHD) is a real illness, such as is readily available for diabetes or cirrhosis of the liver. It remains as another bogus marketing device to sell Big Pharma’s drugs, control people and maintain those people’s jobs who promote these stimulants.


5) A lot of times, children misbehave badly, adolescents behave badly and let’s face it, even some adults commit crimes. Should they all be medicated? Or should they be put in jail? or a padded cell or straight jacket?


Of course, usually not for the children and adolescents. I admire and recommend the work of James Lehman who pioneered the Empowering Parents program, which shows too-often-enabling parents how to set healthy boundaries and limits with their misbehaving children (see http://www.empoweringparents.com/#).

Unfortunately, for criminals the criminal justice system frequently forces many of those convicted to take these toxic psychiatric drugs against their will and usually to their detriment―and which commonly does nothing to prevent further crimes, as I address in Not Crazy.

The reader may consider looking at your informative archives that you published on 11/25/2007 for your clear and excellent interview with investigative mental health journalist Robert Whitaker about the drugging of children in America. There he describes how stimulants such as Ritalin and antidepressants too often disrupt a child's mental and emotional equilibrium to such an extent that they get worse and are then misdiagnosed as "bipolar," when in fact this result is actually one of the many toxic effects of these drugs.

Then unfortunately, after being misdiagnosed as bipolar the child commonly is given an even more toxic antipsychotic drug and/or a "mood stabilizer," which then usually make them worse instead of better.

I describe this worsening process in a recent article entitled "Psychiatric Drugs as Agents of Trauma" in the December 2010 issue of the International Journal of Risk and Safety in Medicine. I call this worsened condition the Drug Stress Trauma Syndrome, which I also describe in detail in Chapter 7 of Not Crazy.


6) Alcoholism, Addictions and mental illness- where does one draw the line?


I address these common, important and treatable problems extensively in all of my books, especially in Not Crazy. Most active addictions can masquerade as, and thus look just like most common "mental illnesses." Clinicians often misdiagnose active addicts with some kind of “mental illness.”


7) In the minds of some people “relief is just a swallow away”. They think that some pill will banish their fears, worries, anxieties and difficulties. How do we convince these people that counseling may be a better approach?


This is what I have addressed in my latest twin pair of books: The Truth about Depression and The Truth about Mental Illness. I now expand that information in Not Crazy. I describe how nearly all psychiatric drugs do not work well and how most don't actually help people in this kind of pain at all. They are toxic and addicting. Look again at Figure 14.1 above.


8) What are your concerns about “forced drugging” especially among the elderly?


I address forced drugging throughout Not Crazy and especially in its Chapter 10 titled “Forced Drugging.” It is a form of legalized and slow poisoning as Grace Jackson eloquently describes in her recent book Drug-Induced Dementia: A Perfect crime and Peter Breggin also does in most of his books and articles.


9) I gotta say - I see these commercials on TV and they are advertising drugs for dry eyes, and for erectile dysfunction and for all sorts of problems breathing- and these commercials are very well done and one may think that magically, all these problems are going to vanish. However, even as an EMT, I know that people have seizures, asthma attacks, and simple stomach aches- your thoughts?


Some chemicals or botanicals used as medicines are helpful and can be life saving at times. But as my colleague J. Douglas Bremner has written in his excellent book Before You Take that Pill, many are also dangerous, and just as psychiatric drugs, they don't work well either.


10) This question may be irrelevant, but it does seem that name brand drugs work often much better than these generics. I have seen this in some populations I used to work with. What is going on here?


Most generics work well when compared with brand names. Some don't. It is usually a matter of trial and error to determine what works best for each patient. Brand names are expensive. In the early 1990s the anti anxiety (code word for anti fear) drug Buspirone/BuSpar was around $200 for a month’s supply. Today it is from $4 to $10 at pharmacies that have such generic plans. Buspirone is among the safest and least toxic psychiatric drugs, and it works better than most others.


11) Tell us about the importance of a good 8 hours of sleep. Then tell us about the importance of nutrition and exercise (I realize this question could take a small book)


Because it is so important, I address the importance of good sleep in Chapter 15 of Not Crazy in some detail. Chronic sleep loss can make us feel and sometimes act crazy. Of course nutrition and regular exercise are nearly as important, and doing all three well can make us feel and live better and longer.



12) Now, lastly tell us about your book and where it is available and why you wrote it.


I wrote this new book over the past three years. It is a summary of what I have learned early during my career as a general physician for the first 15 years and then over the past 30 years as a holistic psychiatrist and addiction medicine specialist. It is available on Amazon.com and on our websites cbwhit.com and barbarawhitfield.com; click the PayPal button to order it. It is also distributed to bookstores by Ingram, the world’s biggest book distributor.
This is from my introduction ―


Countless people across the USA and world are being misdiagnosed and mistreated for “mental illness” that they do not have. The problem is that only a few helping professionals are pointing this out. There are too few whistle blowers.


After seeing many of my patients for years that have been mislabeled and mistreated, I have now written this book to tell you what I have observed and what the truth may be for them―and possibly for you or someone who you may know. I have written it to summarize how you and they can finally begin to heal and recover without psychiatric drugs.


This summary includes finding and naming the original traumas we experienced and those traumas we are experiencing now from toxic drugs and clinicians who don’t listen to us and don’t guide us in the right direction to heal. I describe how to accomplish these do-able tasks in this book.


Some readers will be skeptical about what I say. They may believe that they have a reasonable explanation for their problems and pain. They are convinced that they “mentally ill.” For some their symptoms may have been helped for a time by their taking a psychiatric drug, such as an antidepressant, an antipsychotic, a “mood stabilizer” or some other drug.


Others may have believed that they might have a mental illness because they have been told by someone else – a clinician, family member or friend or by reading a book or article. But do they or you have to believe that?


Whatever your situation, persuasion or preference, you may consider reading what I have observed and learned about mental illness, healing and recovery from countless of my patients and the scientific literature over the past 3-plus decades.


These are endorsements from an eminent and widely published psychiatrist and an eminent, published and highly respected teacher and psychologist ―
This book is a remarkable and cutting edge summary of facts, psychological skills and wisdom that combines the best healing principles of trauma psychology with holistic psychiatry.


Dr.Whitfield explains in some detail how the reader can use practical and proven non-drug techniques and recovery aids to handle their psychological, emotional and behavioral symptoms. Caution: This book contains an indictment of the psychiatric drug industry and an enlightening exposure of their dogma for the people who are taking these brain disabling drugs and those who care for them.

—Peter R. Breggin, MD, psychiatrist
Author of Medication Madness, Ithaca, NY


I have known Charles Whitfield for 20 years and believe that this is the most telling and powerful of his several books on mental health and recovery. As a longtime psychology professor and clinician I am impressed with how clearly and concisely he describes what causes the emotional, behavioral and relationship pain for those labeled as “mentally ill” and then what works best to heal their problems. He also tells the truth about how and why psychiatric drugs don’t work well and too often make people worse. Highly recommended.
—Randy Noblitt, PhD, Professor of Clinical Psychology, The California School of Professional Psychology
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Posted 01 May 2011 - 10:47 AM

The Antidepressant Solution

A Step-by-Step Guide to Safely Overcoming Antidepressant Withdrawal, Dependence, and Addiction.


Joseph Glenmullen, M.D.
(Author of Prozac Backlash)


Contents:


1. Antidepressant Withdrawal and Dependence: Defining the Problem

2. Resolving the Controversy over "Addiction" to Antidepressants: The BBC Expose.

3. The Withdrawal Spectrum: Mild, Moderate, and Severe Withdrawal Reactions.

4. How Changing the Dose of Antidepressants Up or Down May Make Patients Suicidal.

5. Worst Offenders: The Antidepressants that Cause the Most Frequent Withdrawal Reactions.

6. The 5-Step Antidepressant Tapering Program: How to Avoid Uncomfortable or Dangerous Withdrawal Reactions.

7. Step 1: Evaluating Whether You Are Ready to Try Tapering Off Your AD.

8. Step 2. Making the Initial Dosage Reduction.

9. Step 3. Monitoring Withdrawal Symptoms After a Dosage Reduction.

10. Step 4. Making Additional Dosage Reductions.

11. Step 5. The End-Of-Taper Evaluation

12. Tapering Children Off Antidepressants


Afterword


Appendix 1: Daily Checklist of AD Withdrawal Symptoms

Appendix 2: Graph of an AD Withdrawal Reactions.

Appendix 3: Tapering Older Tricyclic and Heterocyclic ADs

Appendix 4: Tapering Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor ADs
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I Create and Build Empowerment Within Each Time I Choose to Face A Fear, Sit with it and Ask Myself, "What Do I Need to Learn?"

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Posted 05 May 2011 - 04:49 PM

Unhinged: The Trouble with Psychiatry - A Doctor's Revelations about a Profession in Crisis by Daniel Carlat.

-This is a worthy book because it's written by a psychiatrist in the trenches who's had a "moment of clarity" about his field and tells us, from a psychiatrist's point of view, how the sausage is made. His honesty is so bold and courageous it's almost shocking. In fact, I'm surprised he didn't lose his job over how honest he is about his (and the profession's) massive shortcomings and pseudoscience. Very easy to read, as well.
Been on SSRIs since 1998:
1998-2005: Paxil in varying doses
2005-present: Lexapro.
2006-early '08: Effexor AND Lexapro! Good thing I got off the Effexor rather quickly (within a year).

**PSYCHIATRY: TAKE YOUR CHEMICAL IMBALANCE AND CHOKE ON IT!
APA=FUBAR
FDA=SNAFU
NIMH=LMFAO

Currently tapering Lexapro ~10% every month:

STARTING: 15 mg
11/7/10: 13.5 mg
12/7/10: 12.2 mg
1/6/11: 10.9 mg
2/3/11: 9.8 mg
3/3/11: 8.8 mg
4/1/11: 7.8 mg
4/29/11: 7 mg
5/27/11: 6.4 mg
6/24/11: 5.7 mg
7/22/11: 5 mg
8/18/11: 4.5 mg
9/14/11: 4 mg
10/13/11: 3.6 mg
11/9/11: 3.2 mg
12/7/11: 2.6 mg
1/3/12: 2.1 mg
2/2/12: 1.8 mg

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 06:28 PM

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Overdo$ed America

Although this is a more all-inclusive look at the corruption of US health care in general, it does mention antidepressants. This really is the bible of investigative journalism of the US healthcare system in my opinion. The author -- himself a lapsed primary care physician -- does a tremendous job of bringing the reader to speed on how multi-layered and rotted to the core so much of the health care is in this country. He covers everything from the rise of HMOs to how doctors are trained to the reason for the dangerous lack of primary care doctors to (of course) the dizzying lengths Big Pharma goes to sabotage medicine in the name of the almighty dollar.

Truly a classic.
Been on SSRIs since 1998:
1998-2005: Paxil in varying doses
2005-present: Lexapro.
2006-early '08: Effexor AND Lexapro! Good thing I got off the Effexor rather quickly (within a year).

**PSYCHIATRY: TAKE YOUR CHEMICAL IMBALANCE AND CHOKE ON IT!
APA=FUBAR
FDA=SNAFU
NIMH=LMFAO

Currently tapering Lexapro ~10% every month:

STARTING: 15 mg
11/7/10: 13.5 mg
12/7/10: 12.2 mg
1/6/11: 10.9 mg
2/3/11: 9.8 mg
3/3/11: 8.8 mg
4/1/11: 7.8 mg
4/29/11: 7 mg
5/27/11: 6.4 mg
6/24/11: 5.7 mg
7/22/11: 5 mg
8/18/11: 4.5 mg
9/14/11: 4 mg
10/13/11: 3.6 mg
11/9/11: 3.2 mg
12/7/11: 2.6 mg
1/3/12: 2.1 mg
2/2/12: 1.8 mg

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 11:44 AM

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Bob Fiddaman was prescribed Seroxat due to depression that was, in essence, due to work related problems. What followed was a journey that took him through a tapering process of, what he believes to be, a highly addictive antidepressant. Following almost two years of withdrawal, Fiddaman's new battle with the manufacturer of the drug, GlaxoSmithKline and the UK's medicine regulator, the MHRA, took him on a more frustrating journey than he ever could have imagined. The name Bob Fiddaman has become synonymous throughout cyberspace. Google his name and you will find articles he has written, many of which have been republished by a vast army of fellow patient advocates. In his debut book, Fiddaman takes the bull by the horns and pulls no punches. Doctor's and patients alike will find Fiddaman's journey both tragic and informative, in particular the current stance of the UK regulator with regard to pregnancy and antidepressants. It may also make you stop and seriously reconsider the safety and efficacy of the medications you take.

Available on Amazon UK and Amazon US

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 10:23 AM

I wanted to add this book as well at the NEJM review:

http://www.alison-bass.com/books.html#thebookshttp://

Side Effects: A Prosecutor, a Whistleblower, and a
Next Bestselling Antidepressant on Trial

By Alison Bass. 260 pp. Chapel Hill, NC, Algonquin Books of Chapel Hill, 2008. $24.95. ISBN 978-1-56512-553-7.

In July 2003, Rose Firestein, a tenacious lawyer working with the New York State attorney general's office on a consumer fraud lawsuit against GlaxoSmithKline, noticed something curious on the Web site of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) — a press release stating that three clinical trials of the company's antidepressant Paxil (paroxetine) in children with depression showed that the drug was no more effective than a placebo. Firestein was shocked, given that Paxil was the second most widely prescribed antidepressant for children.

Firestein kept digging and quickly discovered that GlaxoSmithKline had actually conducted nine clinical trials with Paxil but had published just one of them. What the drug maker was hiding from the public was the bad news about Paxil: it did no better than a placebo in at least two of the unpublished studies, and there was disturbing evidence that patients who took Paxil were nearly three times as likely to experience suicidal feelings, thoughts, and behavior as those who took a placebo.

Alison Bass, a former medicine, science, and technology reporter at the Boston Globe, has put on trial in her book far more than just a bestselling antidepressant — she has used the case of Paxil to expose the unsavory and self-serving relationships among members of the pharmaceutical industry, psychiatrists, and members of the FDA. And she does it in a book that has the brio of a crime thriller.

The story
begins in 1990, when Harvard University psychiatrist Martin Teicher published a report of six depressed patients in whom intense suicidal thoughts developed during treatment with the new antidepressant Prozac (fluoxetine). ....Teicher's suspicions were later confirmed by the British psychiatrist David Healy, who, as an expert witness in several lawsuits, had access to confidential internal drug company documents about clinical trials of various selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) used as antidepressants. These documents showed that there were higher rates of suicidal symptoms in patients who were taking the SSRIs than in those taking a placebo.

When the FDA finally did a meta-analysis of pediatric depression trials in 2004, it also confirmed Teicher's early concerns: subjects taking antidepressants had nearly double the rate of suicidal thoughts, suicidal feelings, and nonlethal suicide attempts of those taking a placebo. Beginning in October 2004, the FDA required that all antidepressants carry a black-box warning for pediatric patients; the warning was expanded to include all patients in May 2007.

What took so long? In Bass's view, the FDA knew of the risks all along but procrastinated. Perhaps, but one could just as well see the delay as the result of an underfunded FDA that was reluctant to issue premature warnings for fear of discouraging the use of antidepressants. Considering that the risk of actual suicide in untreated depression ranges from 2% to 12% — a risk that is far greater than the 4% risk of increased suicidal thoughts and nonlethal suicide attempts with antidepressant treatment — the worry seems reasonable.

Still, the drug makers, through the Prescription Drug User Fee Act, essentially pay the FDA to review their products, and they pay handsomely — in speaker and consultant fees — the physician researchers who test their drugs. These financial ties, which Bass explores in great detail, can compromise scientific objectivity or, at the very least, can create the appearance of a conflict of interest that erodes public trust in research that is funded by drug companies.

Bass's riveting and well-researched account of these disturbing ties should be widely read by members of the medical profession, many of whom continue to believe, despite all evidence to the contrary, that they are immune to the influence of drug companies.

Richard A. Friedman, M.D.
Weill Cornell Medical College New York, NY 10021 rafriedm@med.cornell.edu
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 07:27 AM

"Anatomy..." is a very valuable book, even without much devotion to w/d. I think it's the title most likely to stand out when we look back at this period in a generation. The shame of it, for me anyway, is that its best good comes when its read in a discovery process before starting the meds in place one. In this way I feel like an HIV+ person. Seems most of the energy is going to be expended on finding a vaccine to save the next generation. Those of us who are already infected, are more on our own. Alex

"Well my ship's been split to splinters and it's sinking fast
I'm drowning in the poison, got no future, got no past
But my heart is not weary, it's light and it's free
I've got nothing but affection for all those who sailed with me.

Everybody's moving, if they ain't already there
Everybody's got to move somewhere
Stick with me baby, stick with me anyhow
Things should start to get interesting right about now."

- Zimmerman


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Posted 23 October 2011 - 03:00 PM

Got that, I know there are many good books out there from guys like Whitaker, Breggin, Healy etc., but I avoid reading them because is only reminds me of what we did not know and threw us in the darkness... thanks to SA and the other sites we know already what we must know, although it is a bit late for us. But I deeply respect those people for educating people and fight against the corrupt system.

10 mg Paxil/Seroxat since 2002
several attempts to quit since 2004
Quit c/t again Oktober 2007, in protracted w/d since then
after 3.5 years slight improvement but still on the road

after 6 years pretty much recovered but still some nasty residual sypmtons
We are not lost even though it may feel that way. We are in transition.


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Posted 23 October 2011 - 05:31 PM

Sigh, I agree, Claudius, we know only too well of the dangers of these drugs.

"Anatomy of an Epidemic" has been called the "Silent Spring" of psychiatry. "Silent Spring" stimulated popular interest in the environmental movement.

Whitaker's book is one of the sources cited in the open letter to DSM-5 task force and American Psychiatric Association composed by members of the American Psychological Association, and clearly influenced some of what they said in the letter. So it's influenced some psychologists, at least!
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 07:36 AM

- am presently reading these two: Pharmageddon, by David Healy - traces the hijacking of modern medicine - especially the physicians - by the pharmaceutical industry Before Prozac, by Edward Shorter, is as it sounds a history - both are thrillers/chillers, only seldom technical but definitely readable by non-specialists, and for that matter by specialists as well David's (Pharmageddon) is a fiery explication of the pervasive developmental disorder that has seized the hearts and minds of doctors, crippling the world of care - not an especially hopeful take... Edward's (Before Prozac) could as well have been subtitled What was lost (and offers a hint of approaches to change) For that matter David's blog is also worth a look http://davidhealy.org/ a blog not primarily critical of psychiatry but of the theft of medicine by the pharmaceutical industry, and quite up to date drb

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:00 AM

Thank you, drb. What do you think of Pharmageddon?
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:21 AM

as i wrote: a riveting read have not finished it yet have not managed to shield my eyes from a couple reviews at least one described it as very pessimistic in the sense that the problems are so great that they appear insurmountable the detail that sticks out is this oversimplification: modern medicine is largely lost it has largely lost its mind pretty heavy fare too many details to detail the train of reasoning here the book is extremely read-worthy - do read it! i very much wish it had a This-is-how-we-fix-it chapter...

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:26 AM

I saw Dr. Healy speak about his book in my city. He said "pharmacosis," iatrogenic conditions brought on by too much medication, is epidemic -- with which I agree.
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:32 AM

There was a link on here somewhere about the invention (for lack of a better word) of the original AD's the tricyclics, and as the story goes...the Swiss Physician who development it, gave them to his patients in a psych unit. Many of them snapped out of their depression and improved. I never knew about that story. What does Dr. Healy and the others think about the tricyclics? Does anyone know. They certainly seemed to be safer than what's out there now and what we are trying to get off of. Just wondering...

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 05:19 PM

at least one described it as very pessimistic
in the sense that the problems are so great that they appear insurmountable
the detail that sticks out is this oversimplification:
modern medicine is largely lost
it has largely lost its mind....

i very much wish it had a This-is-how-we-fix-it chapter...


I do think modern medicine is largely lost and that the problems are insurmountable, at least as long as people keep supporting Big Pharma by working there and/or buying their stock, and as long as we here in the states are stuck with fifteen minute medical appointments during which no doctor can do much more than diagnose superficially and write a prescription. The public also has to change its attitudes regarding being "fixed" and pain-free immediately, and evading death for as long as possible, preferably forever.

My viewpoint is that contemporary culture is itself insane, largely driven by greed, self-absorption, and lack of faith in God. Along with Big Phama, the media and the advertising industry have made significant contributions to a selfishness and materialism that's gone quite berserk.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 10:45 AM

Allen Frances gives suggestions for a fix to psychiatry in the last 20 minutes of this video http://castroller.co...asVideo/2874570
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Posted 16 May 2012 - 12:27 PM

thank you for the frances film just watched the entire clip as i picked it up the steps suggested by frances in those final 20 minutes were: - put big black box warnings about diagnostic inflation on all diagnoses in dsm-v - true regulation of the drug companies - target high prescribers, identify them early and require they explain their prescribing habits - spread the message that we're not all sick, the struggles of everyday life are not illnesses - it's a mistake to make a diagnosis on the first interview, it should take 4-5 interviews - it's wrong to make a diagnosis on people in the midst of a struggle (crisis) on treatment options he said - regarding the mild to moderate psychological difficulties that affect every single one of us, and that are the vast majority of the psychological problems that all patients present with in psychiatry or in primary care - please do it in this order: - watchful waiting first - if that doesn't work, psychotherapy - if that doesn't work, only then perhaps a medication i may have missed one or two. the dsm-iv has a criterion that can be found in most diagnoses that is - as far as i can tell - very under-used by psychiatrists and probably not even known to primary care physicians who frances describes as responsible for 80% of all psychotropic prescribing the criterion is - very roughly - that the complex of symptoms being considered should not be explainable by anything other than the diagnosis being considered this is my paraphrasing of the criterion in question i call it the "general clause" when describing it to patients and to colleagues and others complete consideration of the letter of this criterion is actually a very daunting task no wonder it is (seemingly) ignored by most i have read much of the dsm-v, and the criterion survives though in slightly watered-down form as an example, for adhd, it is called criterion E, and it reads: "The symptoms do not occur exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or another psychotic disorder and are not better accounted for by another mental disorder (e.g., mood disorder, anxiety disorder, dissociative disorder, or a personality disorder)." nothing about any of the other factors that might well be relevant in the dsm-iv, in rare places, one allows that a small sub-set of the stresses of ordinary life bereavement for example, be seen as something that would better account for the symptoms of a disorder under consideration (say: depression) than the disorder itself practically speaking: bereavement and ordinary grief, rather than major depression frances uses the same example, showing that dsm-v stipulates that a healthy period of grief in bereavement (read: loss of one's life-partner, parent, child) vast catastrophe for any of us lasts two weeks longer than that and it's to be called major depression with (for the physician) more or less compulsory treatment due to more or less compulsory guidelines which more importantly translates to more or less compulsory treatment for the griever if the dsm from dsm-iii onward had not made the cardinal error to intentionally exclude context (with rare exceptions, for example after bereavement, or before ptsd) then this "general clause" would of course have needed to be greatly expanded to include - specifically, by name - all (literally all) of the various factors that obviously can skew a life for a shorter or a longer period most of them could be subsumed under the term "trauma" both dsm-iii and dsm-iv attend to these factors in fact but they do so in a nearly completely useless fashion by sidetracking all these important events and changes and factors to another dimension of the psychiatric workup the major disorders are dealt with on axis i these other factors are considered in another fashion using "axis iv" (psychosocial and environmental factors contributing to the disorder) but the actual use of the dsm-iv including this information on axis iv is a loaded deck the factors that might be relevant to understanding why a person has a sleep disorder (for example: alcohol abuse for 3 years, ending one year ago, leading in turns to divorce, unemployment, homelessness, malnutrition, poor physical health, etc) are sidetracked to a separate section of the workup some of it might be carried back to the axis i (major disorders) section of the workup but then not as part of an alternative explanation for the exact symptoms under consideration but as a separate diagnosis (called "other conditions that may be a focus of clinical attention") so an attempt to help discover what is the problem with a person reporting sleeplessness (or anxiety, or panic and the rest) must - using this system - systematically divorce the symptoms from the rough stretches of real life the physician needs that code in order to be paid uncovering problems that can be described using a bill-able code is easy uncovering problems that can explain why any code at all might be inappropriate is actually just as easy if you look for it getting the facts straight is hard doesn't make you very popular, going to the trouble both colleagues and patients want the diagnoses we were all trained to expect them several of frances' suggestions would probably help we should all use the ones we can drb

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 12:41 PM

and on books, how about: The Haunted Self (v d Hart, Nijenhuis and Steele) mentioned in another post here, absolutely worth the effort Coping with Trauma-Related Dissociation (Boon, Steele and v d Hart) a long-ranging workbook for a therapist and patient team easier read than the haunted self drb

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 03:39 PM

Excellent suggestions. I merged the topic with our highlighted book recommendation topic. I agree, psychiatric practice seems very weak in differential diagnosis, and the primary care practitioners aren't doing it any better.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 05:39 PM

I have read most of these book and Breggin's "Toxic Drugs" helped me withdraw from all my psych meds years ago. The book validated what I had gone through with poly drugging and it was unbelievable to read it. Thank you for the list of books and content descriptions. :)

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 08:50 AM

Can someone recommend some sound books that offer advice or information about antidepressant withdrawal ??

 

I've found a few books on the net which seem to address the issue nicely,like:

 

Your Drug May Be Your Problem: How and Why to Stop Taking Psychiatric Medications by Peter Breggin

 

 

The Antidepressant Solution: A Step-By-Step Guide to Safely Overcoming Antidepressant Withdrawal, Dependence, and "Addiction" by Joseph Glenmullen

 

Prozac Backlash: Overcoming the Dangers of Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, and Other Antidepressants with Safe, Effective Alternatives by Joseph Glenmullen

 

Please comment if you have read any of these books or have other recommendations.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 09:51 AM

I have the Breggin book. I like it pretty well, except that he recommends a faster taper than I would do. Haven't read the others, although I've heard of Glenmullen.

 

I personally am not aware of any books that I would recommend as a source of advice on how to taper ADs or how to deal with withdrawal. The best, most exhaustive and most accurate source of that information that I know of is this forum.

 

Will Hall's Harm Reduction Guide is downloadable as a PDF and has some good stuff in it too.


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Now tapering, ironically (but not surprisingly) healthier and more functional than I ever was during the years on the "meds," even with withdrawal (usually fairly mild at this slow pace).

 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

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Feb 14 2011:   86 mg Neurontin   144 Lamictal,    5.5 Celexa   0.42 Xanax      1.9 mg Valium

Feb 16 2012:   10 mg Neurontin   115 Lamictal     3.7 Celexa   0.285 Xanax     2.0 Valium

Feb 22 2013:   86 Lamictal    2.05 Celexa       0.23 Xanax      1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

Now:                43                    0.625                 0.0775            1.3

 

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 12:54 PM

I agree with Rhi, I've searched for information and found this site to be the best source there is. 

 

In the current events section there are many many topics covering scientific studies and latest

research from many sources and all of them have links to the original source,  There are some

good books out there but I personally haven't read any of the ones on tapering.  I do recommend

Anatomy of an epidemic  by Robert Whttaker, not exactly what you asked for but an excellent

read about the epidemic of 'mental' illness caused by the very drugs that are supposed to treat it!

 

I also have Ben Goldacres Bad Pharma, exposing the failures and cover ups by the pharmaceutical 

companies. 


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Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 02:35 PM

I did read Dr. Glenmullin's book and it was excellent.  There is a link on this site for a check list by Dr. Glenmullin while tapering.  I am sorry I don't remember what forum it was in.  When you look over it you will feel validated.


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 02:10 PM

Merged similar topics.

 

Regarding antidepressant withdrawal, I like the Glenmullen book.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 02:19 PM

Recovery and Renewal
by Baylissa Frederich
Your essential guide to overcoming dependence and withdrawal from sleeping spills benzo tranquillisers and anti depressants.
She is in recovery herself from a benzo

There is a great video clip of her on Cep.org website
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Posted 22 October 2014 - 10:14 AM

Do any of these books talk about Neuro-emotion and other emotional manifestations that people talk about on this site, as well as what James Heaney talks about on his blog?  Things like severe crying spells, preoccupation with the past, exaggerated negative reactions to ordinary life, temper tantrums and emotional meltdowns?


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12/2014-6/2015 Tried Ativan, Lunesta, Sonata, Trazadone, Seroquel, Rameron - Adverse Reactions
7/2015 Reinstated Lexapro at 2 mg; Quit Klonopin CT suddenly paradoxical)
Started Gabapentin 100-300 mg for 3 weeks. Developed severe lumbar jerking movements (myoclonus).Quit Gabapentin CT.
8/2015 Continuing Lexapro 2 mg. Baclofen 10mg-AM/20mg-PM - tapered off by 5/2016
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Posted 01 November 2014 - 02:47 PM

Hey, who needs a book? #sillyme Seriously, I have a friend going thru heroin w/d + doesnt have 1/2 the symps AD px do. She said its all "mind-altering" tho. Interesting...

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 04:23 PM

I've read Breggin's new book Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal. It is not a comprehensive discussion of withdrawal. Rather, it's a compendium of all the reasons Dr. Breggin thinks people shouldn't be on the drugs in the first place.

 

He does not address issues arising from cold turkey (which is alluded to only in a footnote), the sections on tapering are cursory and contain factual errors. He does not mention prolonged post-discontinuation syndrome at all, or the process of recovery from withdrawal symptoms.

 

Unfortunately, he badly blew the opportunity to write the comprehensive book on psychiatric drug withdrawal. It has yet to be written.

 

In my opinion, he has decided not to deal in depth with withdrawal at all. Instead, he uses scare tactics to discourage people from taking the drugs.

 

On one hand, I believe his intentions are good: To protect patients. On the other hand, I think the information he disseminates is somewhat skewed towards fear-provoking rhetoric. He also has a very difficult overbearing self-aggrandizing personality. He's alienated a lot of people, including many of his allies. Psychiatrists simply ignore his overblown rhetoric.


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 01:06 PM

For books about tapering off psychiatric drugs, my preference is Joseph Glenmullen's The Antidepressant Solution.

 

Of Peter Breggin's works, Your Drug May be Your Problem.


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 03:49 AM

One day maybe one of us will write the book on prolonged withdrawal and recovery. Or perhaps a group effort. A guy can dream.....
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Posted 21 May 2016 - 02:01 PM

Do any of these books talk about Neuro-emotion and other emotional manifestations that people talk about on this site, as well as what James Heaney talks about on his blog?  Things like severe crying spells, preoccupation with the past, exaggerated negative reactions to ordinary life, temper tantrums and emotional meltdowns?


Did you end up getting a response to a book suggestion specific to this?
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3March 2016 Effexor-36 beads. Prozac-10 mg. Lithium 300 mg, also Omega 3 and probiotics, gf, no sugar, high fat, protein diet.
April 2016 Effexor 26 beads, Prozac 10 mg, Lithium 300 mg. also, Omega 3 and probiotics. gf, no sugar, high fat, protein diet.<p>
May 12th took last bead of effexor. Will begin to taper prozac 5mg at a very slow rate. Continuing with 300mg Lithium for now.
May 31st took last of prozac. Continuing Lithium 300 mg, estrogen patch 150, magnesium.
June 14th reinstated 1mg Prozac due to intolerable emotional distress. Cont with lithium 300mg, 150 magnesium, re added omega 3, cont estrogen patch. June 15-july 5th had marked improvement of emotional wd symptoms, likely due to the reinstatement. Wave came crashing in around July 5th and intense emotional symptoms returned.
July 15 decreased 50 mg of lithium to see if it improved low heart rate.
July 19th - increased prozac to 1.5mg.
July 22 marked improvement of emotional symptoms...again, likely due to increase of prozac. However sudden agitation developed so decreased back down to 1.25mg prozac. Realizing increasing dose is dangerous because of these adverse effects and also seeing that wave is inevitable regardless of reinstatement.
Continuing 250 lithium, 1.25mg prozac, estrogen.
Oct 31st - continued 250 lithium, 1 mg prozac, estrogen patch. Thinking about retrying omega 3 and magnesium but they made symptoms worse when i tried a few months ago.

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Posted 21 May 2016 - 03:46 PM

http://survivinganti...ed-books/page-2

 

other link to recommended books 


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Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 01:09 AM

Sigh, I agree, Claudius, we know only too well of the dangers of these drugs.

"Anatomy of an Epidemic" has been called the "Silent Spring" of psychiatry. "Silent Spring" stimulated popular interest in the environmental movement.

Whitaker's book is one of the sources cited in the open letter to DSM-5 task force and American Psychiatric Association composed by members of the American Psychological Association, and clearly influenced some of what they said in the letter. So it's influenced some psychologists, at least!

I have just read this book - or most of it - had to omit the parts about children on the drugs.  God - it is happening here, too.  I know, locally, of a 13-year old and her single mother who were put on ADs a few months ago.

 

One of the most interesting bits of information, that may give hope to some of us, is that depression may be a self-limiting illness.

Old records, particularly, seem to show that.

Just wish I had known that in, say, 2001, the year I retired.  Maybe I could have held out without them. 


1977 - Collapse of health at 32 after 12 years of irregular and stressful shift work. 1977-84Ativan, then 1984-2002 Anafranil.  2002-13 – Effexor XL 150-187.5mg.

2014 Jan -2016 Jun. Had to raise Effexor to 225mg due external crisis.  Chronic fatigue, tiredness and low mood.  Felt I had reached a brick wall as far as medication went.

2016/6 - Went to see different GP.  Later, blood tests, he prescribed 5mg Folic acid/225mg Effexor for now.

2016 17Jun - Feeling better within a couple of days.  (Due Folic Acid, I am guessing. Unbelievable, I'm cautious, though.)  2016 13Jul  -  212.5mg Effexor. (-5.5%). 2016  6Aug  - 200.0mg Effexor. (-5.9%)

2016 24Aug - 187.5mg Effexor. (-6.3%). 2016 13Sep – 175.0mg Effexor (-6.7% .   Folic acid finished after 80 days.  Feeling best for a couple of years. 2016 22Sep – GP Prescribed 5mg Folic Acid/day tfn.

2016 3Oct   - 162.5mg Effexor (-7.1%)  7mg Omeprazole.   2016 15Oct -disappointing to hit extreme fatigue again after 3.5 months, by 23Oct not bad again, despite having cold and old familiar sinusitis.

2016 26Oct - 150mg Effexor (-7.7%). 3mg Omeprazole.  2016 31Oct - 2mg Omeprazole, off 5mg Folic Acid.  2016 7Nov - ZERO Omeprazole.

2017 9Jan - 150mg Effexor.  Stalled at this dose for over 2 months.  Will only resume later in year when mood lifts.

 

Current other meds/Supps/Vits

1200mg EPA /day - 280mg Magnesium Malate - half-one daily multivit "for over 70s" - Honey instead of table sugar in tea and coffee, wef Oct16 and after taking sugar nearly all my life.