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#649 Flowers

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 01:00 AM

Hi Joy

 

Of course it is always good to review our past experiences but don't be too hard on yourself.

 

You say it all with ' I have spent 3 years getting from 30mgs to 18mgs  but have learnt a lot'. 

 

That is what we are still doing everyday - learning.  You have done and are still doing amazingly well. 

 

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15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM
MAY 2014   Increased to 40mgs
SEPT-NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10mgs as per Dr's instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations
 Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.
DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes, limbs, muscle pain, fluct. temp,weakness,depression,anxiety,nausea,giddy,
Walking like I am drunk.
DEC 2014 Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.
DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.
DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. Haven't taken any BROMAZEPAM for 2 weeks +.
APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT.
JAN 2016 CIT:Started taper. Reducing by 5%. 28.5mgs 
FEB  Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs .  JUNE 24 mgs .  JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to  22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs. FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed.  13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May 2 mgs Ven. 20 mg Citalopram. Xanax .50mg per day.


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Posted 14 May 2017 - 02:15 AM

Thank you Flowers, you have such a balanced view of life.

 

Hope this quick post finds you well, or as well as you can be when you are trying to shed a stimulating drug that didn't agree with you.

 

I am very well today, slept brilliantly.  So far I have had no reoccurrences of the severe symptoms I had at the leisure centre the other day.  I am now thinking that the exercise/sauna had brought them on in greater severity for about 10 minutes, and then re-stabilised?  When they occurred I was worried it was the start of a very bad wave, a tsunami in fact, but this turned out not to be the case at all.  Within 1/2 hour I was back to being fine.  I am going into extra detail in case it helps anyone else.

 

One thing that struck me when reading all my posts yesterday was that peer support really does help, and that is site is supportive when things go 'wrong' for its members, and accepts people are 'where they are' for many different reasons.

 

Hope your visitors have not been too wearying

 

Your 'grateful for your input always' internet friend, Joy


<p>26 March reduced to 15 mg and doing fine9/4/16 reduced to 14.5 mg18/4/16 reduced to 13.5 mg measured out wrong just seeing how it goes14/5/16 reduced to 13 mg today13/6 down to 12.52/7 down to 12 mg citalopram2/8 reinstated 20 mg7/8 down to 19 mg<p>13/8 down to15 mg 15/8 down to 14.5 mg 14/9 20mg cit plus 200 mg epilim 16/9 18 mg cit plus epilim. Epilim is also known as sodium vaporate or depakote and is an anticonvulsant that is also used as a mood stabiliser. 28/10 19.5 mg citalopram after spending a few weeks on 20mg. 20/10 back to 20 mg

 

03/01/17  Reduced to 19.8 mg.  10/1 back to 20 mg

04/02/17 Now doing one drop on oral syringe reduction

 

10/5/17  Down to 18 mg citalopram and started fish oil.


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Posted 16 May 2017 - 01:32 AM

Doing well on 18 mg.

<p>26 March reduced to 15 mg and doing fine9/4/16 reduced to 14.5 mg18/4/16 reduced to 13.5 mg measured out wrong just seeing how it goes14/5/16 reduced to 13 mg today13/6 down to 12.52/7 down to 12 mg citalopram2/8 reinstated 20 mg7/8 down to 19 mg<p>13/8 down to15 mg 15/8 down to 14.5 mg 14/9 20mg cit plus 200 mg epilim 16/9 18 mg cit plus epilim. Epilim is also known as sodium vaporate or depakote and is an anticonvulsant that is also used as a mood stabiliser. 28/10 19.5 mg citalopram after spending a few weeks on 20mg. 20/10 back to 20 mg

 

03/01/17  Reduced to 19.8 mg.  10/1 back to 20 mg

04/02/17 Now doing one drop on oral syringe reduction

 

10/5/17  Down to 18 mg citalopram and started fish oil.


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Posted 16 May 2017 - 01:38 PM

Forgot to describe my very weird dream last night - I slept really well, but at some time in the night I dreamed my fingers were in great pain and shrinking, and were covered in gout and had great big swollen arthritic joints, but yet were tiny and shrunken at the same time.  There was also an aqua green scab over some of the joints, which would bubble, burst and have puss (dark blue) oozing out.

 

I woke up to find my fingers tingling and stiff, but otherwise well.

 

Is this a middle of the night withdrawal symptom caused by my brain trying to tell me my fingers were tingling?

 

It made for an interesting night!

 

I know people can have weird dreams/nightmares when starting SSRI's, so the same could be happening when reducing.


<p>26 March reduced to 15 mg and doing fine9/4/16 reduced to 14.5 mg18/4/16 reduced to 13.5 mg measured out wrong just seeing how it goes14/5/16 reduced to 13 mg today13/6 down to 12.52/7 down to 12 mg citalopram2/8 reinstated 20 mg7/8 down to 19 mg<p>13/8 down to15 mg 15/8 down to 14.5 mg 14/9 20mg cit plus 200 mg epilim 16/9 18 mg cit plus epilim. Epilim is also known as sodium vaporate or depakote and is an anticonvulsant that is also used as a mood stabiliser. 28/10 19.5 mg citalopram after spending a few weeks on 20mg. 20/10 back to 20 mg

 

03/01/17  Reduced to 19.8 mg.  10/1 back to 20 mg

04/02/17 Now doing one drop on oral syringe reduction

 

10/5/17  Down to 18 mg citalopram and started fish oil.


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Posted 16 May 2017 - 01:43 PM

Is this a middle of the night withdrawal symptom caused by my brain trying to tell me my fingers were tingling?

 

Not sure whether the dream itself is a withdrawal symptom, Joy, but I think it was clearly the brain trying to tell you something was going on with the body (which was, itself, a withdrawal symptom).  There has been a lot of good research on the fact that SSRIs cause disordered sleeping and that they significantly impact REM sleep (among other parts of the sleep architecture).  Whether caused by the drugs or their absence, it is highly likely that you can look to the meds as the reason you suffered such a weird dream/nightmare.

 

Best,

 

Andy


Started Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg circa 2000; Sx Spring 2012. increased to .5 Clonazapam - no improvement; Started taper of K November 2012 (benzo sites said "taper benzo first"); increased Sert to100mg no improvement; Finished K microtaper in November 2014
Started Sertraline taper from 100mg in December 2014 by reducing to 75mg; Reduced to 62.5mg on January 1, 2015 and 50mg on February 1, 2015; Held at 50mg through April 5 when I got Rx for liquid Sertraline
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet on 10/5

Held through February with no noticeable change

March 2016 attempted to begin taper again but miscalculated into 1 week accidental updose to 32.5mg; dropped back to 25mg for 1 week; tapered to 22.5mg the following week; hit with symptoms and tried to stabilize between 22.5mg and 25mg.  Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy. Was dealing with horrible insomnia which had me sleeping once every other day.  Went back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016.  October 1 cut 4% to 24mg.  November 1 cut 8.3% to 22mg. December 1 cut 9% to 20mg.  Not great but functional. 2/1/17 cut 5% to 19mg.  Taking Spray-on Magnesium, Magnesium supplements, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Co-Q10, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine


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Posted 17 May 2017 - 01:01 AM

As i reflect back i recall having the most terrifying nightmares both on start up and especially when trying to get off paxil.

Nightmares are common in wdl.


2000 amitryptaline, nortriptaline venlafaxine clonazepam for  arm pain from keyboard use, told I had a chemical imbalance it would fix my arm was just a matter of finding the right med for me not informed of the nature of these drugs assured safe and not addictive, CT off Effexor after being told to double the dose on reporting adverse effects...later ..uncharacteristic psych panic tearful presented to doctor to get answers. Given paroxetine no questions asked 'safe and not addictive' next please.2001-2010 paroxetine (paxil) 2 failed attempts to quit, a learned helplessness set in. Feb 10 - Sept 10,  8 month clueless taper, hell. Doc said I had underlying depression .. I said that's not right' then found online support group and the truth!...overcome with inconceivable humiliation and outrage. 28 Sept 10 drug free ...  daily psych and emotional torture beginning in the waking hours of the morning receding somewhat in the evening only to start up again the next day. 28 Sept 12 (24 months) Stabilizing  (What an indescribable unimaginable non-functional nightmare). sleep issues start up at 3 yrs  waking daily at 2am -4.30am), April 2016 return to sport for the first time since drug free, Sept 16 return to work on casual basis.  28 Sept 16 (6yrs drug free), still cant sleep with any regularity, pssd continues no sign of improvement, still feel Rip van Winkle-ish, brain fog still improving, psoriasis concerns.

 

"It is unsafe for people who suffer from something that could be treated with an ssri to consult a psychiatrist." Gotzshe 2015. [ I think Gotzsche could have easily meant to say 'to consult anyone with prescribing privileges']. "Going to a psychiatrist is one of the most dangerous actions a person can take." Breggin

 

“Paroxetine is not safe, it is not effective and it meets every known definition of addictive.” McLaren, N, (2016) 'Psychiatry as bullsh*t’ p55..."Psychiatry is stuffed full of 'deep nonsense' better known as bullsh*t." McLaren 2016

 

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

See  my intro post #451 for the xanax back story and for a CV -GSKs.  Come on guys get taperwise see a TaperMe Schedule

 For a staggeringly shocking 'prozac back story' see the truth post #523

 

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 04:06 AM

Update - no nightmares last night, slept well.

 

Got up at 6 am, and out of the house at 6.30 am, to go spinning, sauna and then swimming, then on to work for 10.00 am.  I am documenting this because when I took loads of meds years ago, I was unable to get up for 10 am let alone do anything, and it is such a welcome change for me.

 

I also think having dropped from 20 mg to 18 mg I have a little more energy.  This is important to me as I have 2 main reasons for wanting to take a lower dose of citalopram and that is my weight problems plus my lethargy, which to be honest, is a posh way of saying lazy.

 

I do think over the years on so many meds, I have been lazy in many respects, my own son has periodically in the past described me as lazy, and to be honest, I think he has meant lethargic.  Now I am beginning to see all my drugs have not helped.

 

I can honestly say I have no withdrawal symptoms today, I now know that doesn't mean that much in that withdrawal and the reinstating of my natural neurons will be taking place in the 'deep background' even though I am without symptoms.  In fact, there is probably a lot going on in my serotonin systems in my body and my brain even though I am not aware of it.  I hadn't realised this before, on my previous attempts to withdraw.  I took the lack of symptoms as a signal to reduce dose again, which it is not.  This is a fundamental principal of my life now and I have changed my way of thinking completely.

 

Doing nothing is a hard concept for me to grasp because I am the type of person who likes to do something towards a goal, it is a bit like dieting, eating less is the key.  Doing less, doing nothing can be hard to accept, but it is easier in a way surely?


<p>26 March reduced to 15 mg and doing fine9/4/16 reduced to 14.5 mg18/4/16 reduced to 13.5 mg measured out wrong just seeing how it goes14/5/16 reduced to 13 mg today13/6 down to 12.52/7 down to 12 mg citalopram2/8 reinstated 20 mg7/8 down to 19 mg<p>13/8 down to15 mg 15/8 down to 14.5 mg 14/9 20mg cit plus 200 mg epilim 16/9 18 mg cit plus epilim. Epilim is also known as sodium vaporate or depakote and is an anticonvulsant that is also used as a mood stabiliser. 28/10 19.5 mg citalopram after spending a few weeks on 20mg. 20/10 back to 20 mg

 

03/01/17  Reduced to 19.8 mg.  10/1 back to 20 mg

04/02/17 Now doing one drop on oral syringe reduction

 

10/5/17  Down to 18 mg citalopram and started fish oil.


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 12:55 PM

I like it very much how you have learnt the lessons from your journey. Very honest insights without being harsh on yourself. It's all part of the learning process and we shouldn't blame ourselves. I totally agree that doing nothing and even less is a very important skill to learn and very difficult too.

But you are on your way :) Well done!

Current: Xanax 0.625 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 3.9 mg (down from 5 mg 2013)

Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 (19 yrs)
1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg.
2000.-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg
went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days after
reinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax: 0.4 mg every 5 hours
28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr  2015 1 mg,  25 June Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64  Xanax

9 month hold

24 Sept 2016 4.​5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2 Lex, 5 Feb 4.1 Lex

24 Mar 4 mg Lex, 10 Apr 3.9 mg Lex

Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic 

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 04:15 AM

Thank you Bubble.

 

Had a brilliant night's sleep last night, ie head touched the pillow and then nothing, only woke to alarm - something my exercise is definitely helping with.  My sleep was very deep and refreshing, no nightmares or dreams.

 

Exercising is not really helping my weight, but is helping my sleep.  It seems to give a deeper level of relaxation at a very physical level.  Some aspects of exercising remind me of a panic attack, but not in a disturbing way - I guess exercising may help with panic attacks as well as sleep.

 

I will have to reduce my food intake for the weight control - this is another learning curve for me, as it is something I have never been very successful at doing.  Basically, I don't know if my weight gain is from over eating, comfort eating, poor food choices or taking citalopram and it making me more hungry and possibly altering of the hormones involved in weight control.  Probably all of them together, but time will reveal more.  I don't want to be slim or skinny, just tidier and a stone less will do - I have lost some but not enough by a long way.

 

Today I have no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever.  It was interesting when I read all of my story through so far, to note how many times I typed 'no withdrawal symptoms', so the whole journey so far, has not been too bad at all, but when it has become bad I have not stuck it out, and when it became bad it was very bad.

 

I am taking the fish oil, which I am taking at the maximum dose on the bottle, 3 capsules, and have not had any brain zaps.  I read somewhere on this site that fish oil can really help with brain zaps, but of course we can't really know.  However, in my other attempts at withdrawing I had brain zaps.

 

I have been wondering if the individuals on this site who really struggle with sleep issues, have tried exercising.  However, I recognise that it requires motivation, which individuals can be low on when struggling with various issues.  I don't actually enjoy it myself, but afterwards I feel so much better and sleep so much better that I seem to be committing to it.

 

I am going to be honest about my food now.  This is how bad my food choices are.  I went out and about with my nearest and dearest family the other day.  I didn't eat breakfast, had fish and chips for lunch and mushy peas, nibbled at my husband's left over chips, and had walnut cake for my tea.  I know what I should have eaten, but didn't.  I suppose all my life I have eaten badly, but now due to age and a life time of psychiatric meds, and citalopram of late, it has become much more of a problem and I am having to forge new attitudes to food.  I was actually underweight when I was young and suffering from depression, I used to struggle to eat enough.  Of course, at 58 now my metabolism will have slowed too and life is generally much more sedentary for everyone, but especially me.


<p>26 March reduced to 15 mg and doing fine9/4/16 reduced to 14.5 mg18/4/16 reduced to 13.5 mg measured out wrong just seeing how it goes14/5/16 reduced to 13 mg today13/6 down to 12.52/7 down to 12 mg citalopram2/8 reinstated 20 mg7/8 down to 19 mg<p>13/8 down to15 mg 15/8 down to 14.5 mg 14/9 20mg cit plus 200 mg epilim 16/9 18 mg cit plus epilim. Epilim is also known as sodium vaporate or depakote and is an anticonvulsant that is also used as a mood stabiliser. 28/10 19.5 mg citalopram after spending a few weeks on 20mg. 20/10 back to 20 mg

 

03/01/17  Reduced to 19.8 mg.  10/1 back to 20 mg

04/02/17 Now doing one drop on oral syringe reduction

 

10/5/17  Down to 18 mg citalopram and started fish oil.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 04:23 AM

I have been wondering if the individuals on this site who really struggle with sleep issues, have tried exercising.  However, I recognise that it requires motivation, which individuals can be low on when struggling with various issues.  I don't actually enjoy it myself, but afterwards I feel so much better and sleep so much better that I seem to be committing to it.

 

Glad you are doing better and having few withdrawal symptoms, Joy.

 

I think the issue for many on this site is that exercise can be very, very activating for many.  While the flow of positive chemicals produces a lot of good benefit in some cases, for many it is triggering and can create a paradoxical effect.  We suggest very gentle exercise, especially at the outset, increasing slowly to see what each person's body/mind can manage.

 

Some on here are able to work out very hard -- others can't work out at all.  It is very much like all in withdrawal -- a process of self-discovery.

 

Best,

 

Andy


Started Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg circa 2000; Sx Spring 2012. increased to .5 Clonazapam - no improvement; Started taper of K November 2012 (benzo sites said "taper benzo first"); increased Sert to100mg no improvement; Finished K microtaper in November 2014
Started Sertraline taper from 100mg in December 2014 by reducing to 75mg; Reduced to 62.5mg on January 1, 2015 and 50mg on February 1, 2015; Held at 50mg through April 5 when I got Rx for liquid Sertraline
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet on 10/5

Held through February with no noticeable change

March 2016 attempted to begin taper again but miscalculated into 1 week accidental updose to 32.5mg; dropped back to 25mg for 1 week; tapered to 22.5mg the following week; hit with symptoms and tried to stabilize between 22.5mg and 25mg.  Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy. Was dealing with horrible insomnia which had me sleeping once every other day.  Went back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016.  October 1 cut 4% to 24mg.  November 1 cut 8.3% to 22mg. December 1 cut 9% to 20mg.  Not great but functional. 2/1/17 cut 5% to 19mg.  Taking Spray-on Magnesium, Magnesium supplements, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Co-Q10, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine


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Posted 20 May 2017 - 01:58 AM

Thanks Andy for your comments about exercise.  I think I am one of the lucky ones so far in that exercise is appearing to help.  However, I can see that if withdrawal symptoms really set in, it would be impossible to do, and that it could be activating, and may even increase panic and anxiety.  I suppose it can be a narrow margin for therapy versus self-torture.

 

Today, I am again absolutely fine.  I sleep very well again, no nightmares or even dreams that I can remember, felt a little hot when waking up and have had one or two stabs in the sole of my left foot.  These are well known withdrawal symptoms in me, but provide me with some reassurance that progress is being made.

 

I am not going anywhere with dosage reductions for ages.  My lethargy has had the edge taken off it, and I feel more hopeful and positive in general.  I feel like I now have a tiny tiny amount of control over my citalopram.

 

The future is not the present, I don't know how this will pan out at all, but the present feels sweet and I think the present is a good place to live.

 

When I first joined this site, I didn't really believe all the posts about going slow, being patient, keeping dosages steady, reinstating just same amounts, I felt it wasn't necessary for me to be so careful, that I was different, and could do it more quickly.  Such thoughts were my undoing.  I have information gathered and moderated my thinking enormously. 

 

I strongly suspect I will be one of those people who can't get completely off citalopram, but I can live with that as the improvement in the quality of my life from 20 mg to 18 is so marked and positive.

 

Take care everyone.  We all arrive at this site by many different routes, and don't really know other's stories, but the sharing of thoughts can be so useful.. 


<p>26 March reduced to 15 mg and doing fine9/4/16 reduced to 14.5 mg18/4/16 reduced to 13.5 mg measured out wrong just seeing how it goes14/5/16 reduced to 13 mg today13/6 down to 12.52/7 down to 12 mg citalopram2/8 reinstated 20 mg7/8 down to 19 mg<p>13/8 down to15 mg 15/8 down to 14.5 mg 14/9 20mg cit plus 200 mg epilim 16/9 18 mg cit plus epilim. Epilim is also known as sodium vaporate or depakote and is an anticonvulsant that is also used as a mood stabiliser. 28/10 19.5 mg citalopram after spending a few weeks on 20mg. 20/10 back to 20 mg

 

03/01/17  Reduced to 19.8 mg.  10/1 back to 20 mg

04/02/17 Now doing one drop on oral syringe reduction

 

10/5/17  Down to 18 mg citalopram and started fish oil.


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Posted 20 May 2017 - 05:50 AM

I tend to use Saturdays for general wider reading.  This is what I have learnt today.

 

Tardive - late - symptoms can occur such as tardive dysthymia (persistent depression), tardive dyskinesia  (jerky muscles from face etc) and tardive akathisia  (not being able to keep still).  Well over my years I have had my fair share of these and thought they were, on the whole, side effects of the drugs, but not withdrawal symptoms. 

 

So, some of my suffering may well have been withdrawal from the swapping of drugs without any tapering.

 

Of course, it is too complex to tease out the true causes.  Oh dear.

 

The thought of getting off SSRIs and then perhaps, months later, having some of these symptoms as a result of withdrawal is horrendous.  I guess this is the meaning of 'protracted withdrawal state'.  It is awful that the reward for getting off can be poor health rather than good health.  Equally, I have been reading that women are more prone to this than mean, and that older women more at risk than younger.

 

I refuse to be too upset by this, and knowing it can happen, has strengthened my resolve to be very careful.


<p>26 March reduced to 15 mg and doing fine9/4/16 reduced to 14.5 mg18/4/16 reduced to 13.5 mg measured out wrong just seeing how it goes14/5/16 reduced to 13 mg today13/6 down to 12.52/7 down to 12 mg citalopram2/8 reinstated 20 mg7/8 down to 19 mg<p>13/8 down to15 mg 15/8 down to 14.5 mg 14/9 20mg cit plus 200 mg epilim 16/9 18 mg cit plus epilim. Epilim is also known as sodium vaporate or depakote and is an anticonvulsant that is also used as a mood stabiliser. 28/10 19.5 mg citalopram after spending a few weeks on 20mg. 20/10 back to 20 mg

 

03/01/17  Reduced to 19.8 mg.  10/1 back to 20 mg

04/02/17 Now doing one drop on oral syringe reduction

 

10/5/17  Down to 18 mg citalopram and started fish oil.


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Posted 21 May 2017 - 01:28 AM

Life is continuing to be good at 18 mg.  Brilliant sleep.  Importantly for me I weighed myself this morning and now weigh 1 lb less so I am now 13 st 9 lbs, grossly overweight but better than I used to be at 14 st 10 llbs.  And one day last week I ate fish and chips and walnut cake.

 

I am watching my weight carefully as I seem to have had weight issues as long as I have taken antidepressants.  Some have been worse than others for me.  I always felt citalopram was kinder to my weight, but before I started out on ADs 9 st 7 llbs was my normal weight before depression made me loose weight.

 

The killer AD for me re appetite/weight issues was mirtazapine, which made me so hungry I could not wait for the food to cook in the oven.  Each bite of food, no more how much I ate, failed to satisfy my gross appetite.  I put on so much weight that I went quickly through sizes of tights and my food bill was huge.  I was sitting in a funeral one day when there was a loud pinging noise and my thighs had suddenly got bigger and my tights couldn't stretch any further.  I stopped it cold turkey, but had only been on it for about 4 weeks and only remember dizziness as a withdrawal symptom.

 

Weight gain seems to be one of the problems that cause individuals to withdraw from ADs.  I had a great improvement in my weight at 14 mg citalopram, I looked so much better.  I am hoping I can get down to that point, and then maybe stay there indefinitely.  I really do resent looking both apple and pear shaped at the same time, and looking as if I don't know how to look after myself and looking as if I am not intelligent enough to control my weight, and looking as if I am a total comfort eater with a great deal of misery in my life.

 

Truth is, I feel reasonably well sorted in most respects, and this extra weight, if caused by ADs is painting a poor picture of me.  It may of course not be the ADs at all, and if that is the case I need to find that out too.

 

I am going into detail in case it helps others and to provide a record for myself.


<p>26 March reduced to 15 mg and doing fine9/4/16 reduced to 14.5 mg18/4/16 reduced to 13.5 mg measured out wrong just seeing how it goes14/5/16 reduced to 13 mg today13/6 down to 12.52/7 down to 12 mg citalopram2/8 reinstated 20 mg7/8 down to 19 mg<p>13/8 down to15 mg 15/8 down to 14.5 mg 14/9 20mg cit plus 200 mg epilim 16/9 18 mg cit plus epilim. Epilim is also known as sodium vaporate or depakote and is an anticonvulsant that is also used as a mood stabiliser. 28/10 19.5 mg citalopram after spending a few weeks on 20mg. 20/10 back to 20 mg

 

03/01/17  Reduced to 19.8 mg.  10/1 back to 20 mg

04/02/17 Now doing one drop on oral syringe reduction

 

10/5/17  Down to 18 mg citalopram and started fish oil.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 02:40 AM

Hi all

 

I am still doing well on 18 mg.  I tend to have a runny nose on a morning and a sweaty face - I have had both these previously when trying to withdraw so these are clearly my particular symptoms.  Other than that and the odd bout of feeling hot when I go to bed on a night, I am good to go.

 

My spinning classes are really helping me, in my opinion only though, it is impossible to really know.

 

I am sleeping really well and feel stable in mood and bright - I used to get a runny nose when I withdrew from dothiepin and used to take antihistamines to control it, but as antihistamines may mess up the withdrawal, I am not going to take them this time.

 

I never did get off the dothiepin, but I got it really low, and then swapped to citalopram.


<p>26 March reduced to 15 mg and doing fine9/4/16 reduced to 14.5 mg18/4/16 reduced to 13.5 mg measured out wrong just seeing how it goes14/5/16 reduced to 13 mg today13/6 down to 12.52/7 down to 12 mg citalopram2/8 reinstated 20 mg7/8 down to 19 mg<p>13/8 down to15 mg 15/8 down to 14.5 mg 14/9 20mg cit plus 200 mg epilim 16/9 18 mg cit plus epilim. Epilim is also known as sodium vaporate or depakote and is an anticonvulsant that is also used as a mood stabiliser. 28/10 19.5 mg citalopram after spending a few weeks on 20mg. 20/10 back to 20 mg

 

03/01/17  Reduced to 19.8 mg.  10/1 back to 20 mg

04/02/17 Now doing one drop on oral syringe reduction

 

10/5/17  Down to 18 mg citalopram and started fish oil.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 07:56 AM

Glad you are doing well Joy, it is really good to hear  :)


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Many drugs for many years, prescribed diazepam first 1973, took occasionally. 3 or 4 tricyclics  for short periods.

1993 had a breakdown leading to 10 years of drug experiments with all classes of psych drugs.

2002  effexor. 

Tapered by counting beads from March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

 

Also tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg -hold- Feb2016 46mg  March 8 2016 45 April 44mg  May 11  43mg June 14 42mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, pro biotic.

 

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Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 11:41 PM

I am catching up after having visitors here which tired me out but was very enjoyable.

 

Good to see you are doing well Joy.

 

Heather xxx


15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM
MAY 2014   Increased to 40mgs
SEPT-NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10mgs as per Dr's instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations
 Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.
DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes, limbs, muscle pain, fluct. temp,weakness,depression,anxiety,nausea,giddy,
Walking like I am drunk.
DEC 2014 Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.
DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.
DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. Haven't taken any BROMAZEPAM for 2 weeks +.
APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT.
JAN 2016 CIT:Started taper. Reducing by 5%. 28.5mgs 
FEB  Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs .  JUNE 24 mgs .  JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to  22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs. FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed.  13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May 2 mgs Ven. 20 mg Citalopram. Xanax .50mg per day.


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 02:23 AM

Doing well still.  Runny nose again this morning and sweaty face, standard for me in withdrawal, slept well, mood good, weight down by a 1 lb - now weigh 13 stone 9 lbs - a year ago I weighed 14 stone 10 lbs.

 

I have always been concerned that citalopram was contributing to my weight problems, so I am on two journeys really, one for the citalopram and one for my weight, but of course they overlap too.

 

I think the fish oils I am taking may be helping.  When I went to bed last night, I had one or two very mild brain zaps, but they were very mild.

 

Take care everyone, if it helps anyone else, I am doing better by taking things very slowly.


<p>26 March reduced to 15 mg and doing fine9/4/16 reduced to 14.5 mg18/4/16 reduced to 13.5 mg measured out wrong just seeing how it goes14/5/16 reduced to 13 mg today13/6 down to 12.52/7 down to 12 mg citalopram2/8 reinstated 20 mg7/8 down to 19 mg<p>13/8 down to15 mg 15/8 down to 14.5 mg 14/9 20mg cit plus 200 mg epilim 16/9 18 mg cit plus epilim. Epilim is also known as sodium vaporate or depakote and is an anticonvulsant that is also used as a mood stabiliser. 28/10 19.5 mg citalopram after spending a few weeks on 20mg. 20/10 back to 20 mg

 

03/01/17  Reduced to 19.8 mg.  10/1 back to 20 mg

04/02/17 Now doing one drop on oral syringe reduction

 

10/5/17  Down to 18 mg citalopram and started fish oil.






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