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#1 Denstar51

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Posted 30 March 2011 - 06:30 AM

I wanted to breifly share about my cognitive problems. At 31 months out I seem to have more of those than in the beginning. The brain fog causes very difficult problems with concentration and focus. Spelling words, thinking things out. Has any body seen improvements with this? 31 months out and still having a big problem with it. Thanks

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Posted 30 March 2011 - 11:57 AM

The improvement will come, Dennis. The thing is that you're very battle-fatigued. Plus, the waves are still rearing their ugly head. But it will be abating. All those symptoms you're mentioning are WD. Just a few more steps. Hang in there!
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Posted 30 March 2011 - 05:07 PM

I wanted to breifly share about my cognitive problems.

At 31 months out I seem to have more of those than in the beginning.
The brain fog causes very difficult problems with concentration and focus.
Spelling words, thinking things out. Has any body seen improvements with this?
31 months out and still having a big problem with it.

Thanks


The brain fog didn't lift for me until around the end of month 35. I know everyone's timeline is different, but I just wanted you to see that at month 31 you many still have some time to go. It did come and go for awhile until it finally cleared up.
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Posted 27 May 2011 - 04:12 AM

Does anyone else have giants gaps in their memory? Most of what I've read from SSRI users, I believe, is short term memory problems (I have that too) but I have almost no memory of my entire life.

I've always had a bad memory. When I was a teen or in my early twenties, I couldn't remember anything before 13 years old. I used to think some trauma must have happened but I highly doubt it now. But now I can't remember hardly anything of my life. When I read people's stories that have had ECT, I can relate. It's like someone has erased years of my past and I only have very tiny glimpses. It makes it hard to feel like a normal human. I can barely hold a conversation, I have so little to share.

I wonder if this has more to do with the 8 years I took Lamictal than with SSRI's. Unfortunatly, when I try to look into the issue, I mostly come up with patients questioning and not getting real answers.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 06:03 AM

Does anyone else have giants gaps in their memory? Most of what I've read from SSRI users, I believe, is short term memory problems (I have that too) but I have almost no memory of my entire life.

I've always had a bad memory. When I was a teen or in my early twenties, I couldn't remember anything before 13 years old. I used to think some trauma must have happened but I highly doubt it now. But now I can't remember hardly anything of my life. When I read people's stories that have had ECT, I can relate. It's like someone has erased years of my past and I only have very tiny glimpses. It makes it hard to feel like a normal human. I can barely hold a conversation, I have so little to share.

I wonder if this has more to do with the 8 years I took Lamictal than with SSRI's. Unfortunatly, when I try to look into the issue, I mostly come up with patients questioning and not getting real answers.


Hi NoRX,

I definitely relate to what you are saying and I am so sorry you are experiencing memory problems.

Even before I ever touched a crumb of psych meds, I felt I had a poor memory for various reasons that like in your situation, are unrelated to trauma. I feel that being on psych meds has greatly worsened this issue.

I know what you mean about feeling like you are barely able to hold a conversation. For example, I will remember a quote but I will have no idea where it comes from or if I am saying it correctly. If I am emailing someone, I can look it up on google. Can't do that when you're physically talking to someone :(

I have a theory that I can't prove that if you had issues before going on meds that affect things like memory that psych meds greatly worsen the problem. I haven't read it but I know that Grace Jackson, in her book, Rethinking Psychiatric Meds, has said that these drugs effect the learning centers of the brain. So that is another reason why I feel the way I do and why what you are stating makes total sense to me.

I have tried experimenting with various supplements but nothing has been really helpful and I seem to be sensitive to alot of things.

Hopefully, our situations will improve over time. Sadly, I don't see us finding answers any time soon.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 07:31 AM

Thanks CS, It's hard when you feel like so much was stolen from you and you can't even tell anyone because it sounds so ridiculously insane. I hate to say I have a bad memory because that is so normal and doesn't begin to describe this. If I were to tell people I have amnesia, they would think I'm being sarcastic or exaggerating.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 10:41 AM

hi Nor, I thought that at 26 months, I would not have new symptoms, but the former returning, well no! New are tinnitus (I had never until now) severe spasms in the abdomen, muscle tension neck and shoulders, and a problem of no saliva in the mouth and eyes at night, and short and long term memory All this arrived since last month this in addition to everything I regularly have i cannot give a name about someone i know, recently or years ago, i want tell about things but several words want not come; very frutrating

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 11:06 AM

Hey, NoRx. I moved this to the Symptoms. It will fit here better. If you had enough energy these days, please feel free to start your introduction thread in the Introductions, too. This way we will be able to follow your progress. :)
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Posted 27 May 2011 - 05:50 PM

Welcome, NoRx! It's great to see you here. I have always thought your posts on the other site were really compassionate, progressive, intelligent. Oh, gosh, I could write a book on my thoughts about how these meds impact memory. It's quite fascinating. I had a pretty good memory before meds, and even on meds. It got very scary a few months after my last dose, when people would say they had told me things, and I still couldn't remember even after they reminded me. IOW, there was no memory trace at all. That level of impairment improved steadily and is not an issue any more. I also used to have a very good memory for vocabulary before meds. My "word-finding" got seriously impaired post taper. Very disturbing, and very odd. I could never find the words "toaster oven" in under 20 seconds. No matter how I practiced, and how often I used the words (often), I had to re-search for them every time, and other two word-phrases starting with "t" and "o" would come up instead. Word-finding has gotten much better, although I have waves of this still. Then, there's the phenomenon of old memories getting lost and slowly coming back "online." I don't know how much of the loss of continuity with my past had to do with direct memory impairment and how much had to do with being psychologically consumed by utter misery for the first few years of taper and post-taper. But, for whatever reasons, for a long time, I never thought much of my past. Then, throughout the recovery, I have had periods when I have an absolute spate of old memories come back. I'm glad to have them back, but it's very intense and over-stimulating to go through one of these spates, and it can disrupt my sleep. It's like vivid, familiar-but-long-unseen images flashing into my mind, and it causes an adrenaline jolt. I think that this process is beginning to even out, and now I have the memories returning more continuously and slightly less shockingly. I could go on! This is a subject that really interests me! One thing I wanted to say re not having a good memory -- I really think you can help the process along. You may have to wait to heal a bit more, but you might not. But, I have improved my memory by simply exercising it. I'll try to remember a conversation verbatim, for example, and I just talk out loud to myself and review it and more comes back to me. The fact that you want to have a better memory means to me that you can have one. You just have to figure out what works for you and then practice it.
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 06:30 AM

Neuro, Thanks for moving this to the correct place. I will try to do an introduction soon.

Hi Stan,
I'm sorry you are suffering new symptoms right now. I hope they are short lived. I had eye twitching (muscle spasms) start after two years off. They lasted a few months and then disappeared. So, it's possible!

Hi Healing,
Thank you for the response and the compliments.

I agree that their are things that can be done to help short term memory and cognitive issues. However, I must disagree with the statement; "The fact that you want to have a better memory means to me that you can have one. You just have to figure out what works for you and then practice it."

That says to me; the drugs didn't do any damage to my brain functioning, I just need to try harder. I'm sure most people who have had ECT want to remember their wedding day or their children or their college education (whatever has been wiped away) but WANTING to remember and putting things into practice to aid memory function, doesn't work. Something has been physically damaged.

I wanted to know if these drugs/toxins (mostly Lamictal since I've heard more about it and memory problems) can cause similar damage when taken for years.

I wish I could describe it better. It's like I just arrived here from another planet. I wasn't born, grew up, had kids, whatever else I did for the last 40 years...

My kids are going to be leaving home soon and I feel like I didn't even raise them. There is so little I can remember.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 09:01 AM

I'm so sorry you're having this terrible experience, NoRx. It's very angering, frightening. I don't know anything about Lamictal, but I wouldn't be surprised if it could cause severe memory impairment. Never fear, NoRx. I would never minimize the appalling damage caused by psych meds or ECT. I just may have more radical beliefs than you about how much is possible for us human beings. :) And I certainly don't think things can be forced. You may have to just wait awhile before you're well enough to even begin to practice any memory exercise. Nor is just wanting enough, but it *is* the crucial first step. What these iatrogenic treatments do is criminal. It's not OK. The truth has to be told, and these practices have to stop. I've been against psych meds and ECT since the 70s. How I ended up with neurological damage from a psych med is a bit of a cosmic joke. :blink: But, we are only now learning about neuroplasticity and how to work with it. Every day, new promising discoveries are being made. And, even in the case where areas of the brain are irreversibly destroyed, it's turning out that the rest of the brain can learn to take over the lost functions. Finally, and here's where I may get too radical-seeming, there's a lot of disagreement about whether the mind and the brain are the same thing. It's possible that the brain is basically a tranceiver and that our minds are actually elsewhere. If this is the case, then our memories are intact. We just have to develop a path to access them. This is what I tend to believe at this time. What do you think? Keep talking to us, please, and tell us your experience.
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 09:51 AM

Lots of memory problems here, too. What I find most mind-boggling and counter-logic at first glance, is that I may not remember a bulk of things, but, at the same time, the memory of the traumatic experiences in my life and in during WD is *exceptionally* vivid. Ironic, eh? And yes, the *temporary* damage is there. No doubt. That's why, on our way to healing, we need to take it easy. Do what can be done, and accept what needs to be put on hold. It will all come in its own time. Healing, you mentioned the words you would forget. On my personal list of the "How the heck you call it" are (among others); "carrot", "pot" (and I mean a cooking vessel here) :) , "hairdresser". These are basic, basic words. But not for a chemically-nuked brain. PS And I very much agree with the first two sentences in post 6
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 04:05 PM

Women in their middle forties start to forget words, thoughts, lose keys, glasses, walk in room and can't remember why, etc. I was one of them and had never taken an Ad. Many of my girl friends (who had never taken an AD either) complained of the same thing. I was told then, and my daughter was told recently, it was all due to peri meno. Now, about the guys, I have no idea. What I'm saying is that this doesn't only happen when you've taken an AD, or even a cocktail. Maybe it's worse when you've been on meds... but, I can bet no one knows for sure.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 05:09 PM

I have a similar problem and need some feedback.

I have been on AD for the last eight years almost (on and off but not off long) and it honestly did help with my ability to focus and comprehend things. I am not sure of this was bc it knocked out my anxiety and that made me more able to focus or if the artificially raising of my neurotransmitters did it. I know that neurochemistry is important when it comes to cognitive functioning. I do remember that when I was in high school and not on drugs, I did not do well in school at all. I had bad ocd type anxiety and could not focus at all. I honestly cannot remember what my processing ability was like though.

Ok so anyways, i have been off AD for two weeks and am doing the nexalin therapy still. Got off the drugs pretty quickly using the IV nutrients and the nexalin (see other post). Currently, my ability to understand, process, remember, and basically anything is severly hampered. I just failed a test today and already dropped a class this semester and it looks like I will have to drop another one. I am a junior and only have like a year left but am scared I will not make it now since I came off drugs. So tell me, is it possible that the drugs made me "smarter" by helping me to focus and understand things? What can I do to help with my issues? Perhaps neurofeedback? I am really scared; I am scared I made the wrong decision by getting off the drugs and now i will be some depressed, anxious guy with no ability to understand anything. How can I function in society if I cannot comprehend things and follow directions? Please help!

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 05:43 PM

Zepp, the reason antidepressants helped your concentration is that they're stimulating.

Brain fog is a withdrawal symptom. One thing you need to do is stay calm, because worrying can add to the symptoms.

We don't know of any master key to getting rid of these symptoms. Your nervous system has been shaken up. It will take a while to settle down.

Here are a few things that help people with brain fog:

- Fish oil with vitamin E daily
- At least 30 minutes of gentle exercise, such as walking every day
- Good sleep
- Developing stress reduction techniques such as meditative breathing
- Acupuncture to help regulate blood pressure, heart rate, and reduce anxiety, muscle tension, and pain
- Being realistic about what you can and cannot do, and taking care of yourself

There are many topics in Symptoms and what helps for tips to cope with symptoms. See Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems

Are you getting good sleep? Are you keeping regular hours? Have you cut down on junk food and sugar? Taking care of your general health is important to supporting recovery.
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Posted 24 October 2011 - 08:09 PM

Zepp, the reason antidepressants helped your concentration is that they're stimulating.

Brain fog is a withdrawal symptom. One thing you need to do is stay calm, because worrying can add to the symptoms.

We don't know of any master key to getting rid of these symptoms. Your nervous system has been shaken up. It will take a while to settle down.

Here are a few things that help people with brain fog:

- Fish oil with vitamin E daily
- At least 30 minutes of gentle exercise, such as walking every day
- Good sleep
- Developing stress reduction techniques such as meditative breathing
- Acupuncture to help regulate blood pressure, heart rate, and reduce anxiety, muscle tension, and pain
- Being realistic about what you can and cannot do, and taking care of yourself

There are many topics in Symptoms and what helps for tips to cope with symptoms. See Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems

Are you getting good sleep? Are you keeping regular hours? Have you cut down on junk food and sugar? Taking care of your general health is important to supporting recovery.


Thank you for the feedback. Things have been better. My brain zaps are pretty much gone and I have been fairly stable since coming off the drugs. I honestly think I have done it. I think I made a good decision to go with this program and get me off drugs. My physical health is returning as well as my mental health. Ironically, when i was on celxa I had depression. It was a weird type of depression, like i just felt bad you know? That is gone! I have had my bad days after coming off the drugs, but it just does not last and i get back on my feet. What has been helpful is being positive, talking to people at the clinic and knowing that much of the negative feelings i feel are just a result of the chemicals. You guys, I was on thos drugs for nearly 8 years and i tried to get off three times. This is my fourth time and it has been relatively smooth compared to the other times.

ANyways, i really believe that the nexalin has helped a lot and the IV nutrients. I find mediation extremly helpful and I have been detoxing the drugs out of my tissue by using a similar method that L Ron hubbard uses. It was recommended to my by a nutritionist and involves high doses of niacin to dilate the blood vessels, exercise, sauna, and then some french green clay to absorb the toxins and chemicals from my body. Likewise, since coming off the drugs I have had a few moments of anxiousness and so i pulled out an old supplement this alternative medicine doc gave me last year. It is called sedaplex and has a combo of relaxing herbs like valerian, skullcap, and the amino acid theanine, among others. It really helps a lot!

Anyways, i would like to get some feedback on something. Any of you all know how supplements, herbs, etc interact with antidepressants in the body? Is there a negative interaction that can be created? I bring this up bc i tried so many alternative products while on AD, yet sometimes I would feel worse. Now, though, seems like I am not as sensitive. I mentioned this to the clinic president and he said that negative interactions between AD and various things can occur in the body and this, in turn, creates a toxic environment. Guys, let me say something, I have only been off the drugs a few weeks, but my body feels good again. No more joint pain, no chronic fatigue, no sugar cravings in the middle of the night, no nothing. i feel....normal now. Dr. Breggin would probably say that my drug was my problem, and I agree.

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 02:30 AM

Anyways, i would like to get some feedback on something. Any of you all know how supplements, herbs, etc interact with antidepressants in the body? Is there a negative interaction that can be created? I bring this up bc i tried so many alternative products while on AD, yet sometimes I would feel worse. Now, though, seems like I am not as sensitive. I mentioned this to the clinic president and he said that negative interactions between AD and various things can occur in the body and this, in turn, creates a toxic environment.

Hey Zepp,

You'll get more responses on this, I suspect. Firstly, I'm glad you're feeling better. Great to hear...

Supplements, herbs, etc are notorious for causing mischief, sometimes even serious complications, while the body recovers from antidepressant dependence.

I personally have learned to exercise substantial caution for this reason. Though I am more sensitive to these things while you are less sensitive, if I understand your post...?

Generally certain supplements tend to be tolerated better than others and have more desired effect (generally speaking, as well). So far nothing has been found that works for 100% of people, though perhaps there are certain supplements that prudence would recommend everyone avoid.

Others will add more on this, zepp.

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 09:24 AM

Anyways, i would like to get some feedback on something. Any of you all know how supplements, herbs, etc interact with antidepressants in the body? Is there a negative interaction that can be created? I bring this up bc i tried so many alternative products while on AD, yet sometimes I would feel worse. Now, though, seems like I am not as sensitive. I mentioned this to the clinic president and he said that negative interactions between AD and various things can occur in the body and this, in turn, creates a toxic environment. Guys, let me say something, I have only been off the drugs a few weeks, but my body feels good again. No more joint pain, no chronic fatigue, no sugar cravings in the middle of the night, no nothing. i feel....normal now. Dr. Breggin would probably say that my drug was my problem, and I agree.

People often become hypersensitive to a lot of things, including supplements, in withdrawal. The supplements aren't interacting with the drug, they're interacting with your nervous system. Some of these hypersensitivity reactions can definitely make you feel worse.

The clinic folks don't seem to understand what's going on, and this makes me very wary, Zepp. I've found alternative therapists will often make up pseudo-logical explanations to maintain your confidence. Watch out here.

But -- very glad you're feeling better!
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 03:18 PM

The past month I have noticed a decline in my short term memory. Is this part of W/D from EFFEXOR XR? I also have taken 0.25-0.50mg of XANAX at night for many years. I am trying to sleep without it now. but still take it for morning anxiety. Is short term memory problems part of Effexor XR W/D? Or have I ruined my brain because of the long term Xanax use?
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 04:25 PM

Memory problems √ I can't pin it down to short term memory because I cant remember the definition of STM vs LTM but in general cognitive processing is very poor - I broke down yesterday trying to access voicemail on phone - it just wouldn't compute - OTOH-ive found that I remember some things that I wouldn't expect to (usually useless trivia) and it's surprised me - I believe relaxation and 'not trying' is involved - The brain is amazingly regenerative although I understand how scary it is to not be able to recall or integrate information - it will get better -
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 09:39 AM

Yes it is scary. Even a long time friend made a comment about my memory. We were shopping and she showed me a blouse she had purchaaed. 5 minutes later, I ask to see it... Trying not to be my own worst critic, I was distracted at the time by something else. But then again, that could be an indicator of a focus problem. I was going to write something else, but I forgot...isn't that the pits!!!! Thank you Barbara for your words of encouragement. I hope you apply them to yourself too :) I
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W/D symptoms came back at 0 mg
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 10:49 AM

Hi, EW, boy can I relate to memory issues. Thinking back, though, I really started to notice st memory problems when I'd been on ad's for about 7 or 8 years. I truly believe that problems with our memories started while on the poisons. I cannot fault wd, at least in my case. Since I stopped remeron, my memory has gotten a lot better. Not perfect for sure, and st memory is still problematic, but tons better than a year ago, before quitting ad's all together! Barbara is right, try not to stress about it. We're early in wd and it will get better!!
I started withdrawing off remeron in August of 2009, with the help of a holistic physician.The reason for the withdrawal was a year or two of off and on nausea, deterioration in my thinking, and more depression. It took me a full year to work from 135 mg down to 45mg. At that point, more drops were causing more depression. Unfortuately, the nervousness that I was also feeling for the last year continued with the 45 mg. Thirty one days ago, I stopped the remeron. I am still feeling the nervousness every day and the last week, I am feeling what I think is depression but not sure. In bed in the morning, I'm already dreading another day feeling this way. I am intensely unsure of myself and find it very hard to do anything. I was a practicing veterinarian for 29 years until I found I could not practice anymore. First of all I couldn't think, or remember, and I had absolutely no confidence in anything I did. These were things I did with relative ease for twenty+ years. So, this feeling of no confidence has been during the time I was on the AD(the last 2 years) and today. I take no other medication other than my blood pressure meds. I tried supplements with my holistic dr. but they seemed to make the intense nervousness even more intense. Anyway, I truly feel stuck.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 12:48 PM

Serotonin definitely does not help and, imho -harms -thinking ability when used long term. Executive function, planning ability, etc. Concentration is gone. The dysautonomia and chaos caused by withdrawal magnifies and complicates it more, i think. My GUESS is that it is related to cortisol/stress interfering with cognitive function. When i was first tapering, I played 'mind games' with someone of very high ability. I s***k at Trivial Pursuit generally; he was on Jeopardy (just for some context). We used different approaches to sharpen and test one another. If he went for awhile without practicing, he got noticeably rusty. I read questions from Trivial Pursuit to him in rapid-fire succession. Within an hour, his hit rate increased from 60% to about 90%. It was fascinating. I was able to answer questions that i had no idea I knew the answer to or when I learned it. This showed me so much about thinking, memory, retrieval, etc. I also went to places where they play video trivia to test myself. Those trivia games are multiple choice and take away the wrong choices slowly, so timing is rewarded. When the question appeared, I answered immediately, going with my gut even on topics I knew nothing about. I was shocked at questions I answered correctly when i didnt try to think. The amount of information that we store un/subconsciously is amazing. It's accessing it that is problematic. Just my little case study ;)
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#24 BentBuddha

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 04:34 AM

This is one of the most annoying things. I supplement with high strength fish oil since I went off these drugs 9.5months ago and my memory is terrible. I can remember when reading boring books, and you get to the bottom of a page and forget what you just read on that page. Now, post AD's, I get that after reading a sentence or two of something i used to consider interesting. And it takes a considerable effort to focus on the words I'm reading. I can totally relate to the feeling of coming from another planet into my current life. The feeling of so much of your history and who you are is erased or like it never existed. I have always been a devour of information and knowledge. It's my favorite pastime. Not being able to study and retain interesting things has been a cruel situation to be in. My life is on hold

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 02:40 PM

I am there with all of you. When getting on an AD it affects my memory and when getting off and AD ther is impairment. It's scary because it reminds me of Alzheimer's Disease. However, when I am not tapering on or off I am fine. So I know it is the brain chemistry that is being affected. Like someone with Alzheimers, I can remember things that happened 30 years ago, but ask me what I had for Breakfast this morning and I go blank. I never said this before....because it bothered me so much. Here it goes.......... After I lost my job (the economy) I had a few jobs (they were terrible) but I was having a terrible time retaining and remembering how to do the jobs. I took notes and was unable to memorize them at night. I would go blank as a new employee, (from not remembering), and the sweat would start dripping down my back, my face would become flush and I would start to have panic attacks. In today's world it is not acceptable to be human and make errors or forget. There are 500 people in line behind you waiting to be hired. This is one of the reasons people occupied Wall Street. It is so much better for me to be self employed. I am a hands on person, always was. That type of presure is off of me now...and Thank God for that ^_^ Hugs

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 05:13 PM

A very irritating side effect for me is the memory thing where you can't think of the word. It is improving as I taper. Caffeine is apparently also a factor in this, and I've mostly given that up, so that could be helping too.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 05:17 PM

A very irritating side effect for me is the memory thing where you can't think of the word. It is improving as I taper. Caffeine is apparently also a factor in this, and I've mostly given that up, so that could be helping too.


Geez, I thought I was losing my mind, along with problems with short term memory.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:51 PM


Like someone with Alzheimers, I can remember things that happened 30 years ago, but ask me what I had for Breakfast this morning and I go blank.


Yes! That's exactly what I'm experiencing. Ugh, how annoying

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 07:15 AM

Anyone have any luck with any supplements that have helped this? I have heard some success with Fish oil but unfortantley it gives me insomnia at higher doses. Is choline or Lecithin affective? My memory and brain fog are my worse symptoms at this point. Thanks
Paxil 10mg 2004-2011
7.5mg 4months
5mg. 4months
2.5mg.8 months no wd issues
Dropped pax 4-10-12
5-9-12 started prozac to alleviate symptoms (no relief)
5-22-12 reinstated paxil 2.5mg
5-28-12 5mg pax (couldn't tolerate sides)
6-22-12 Pax 2.5
6-30-12 Pax O
Cerebrolysin to help with wd at 29 months. Horrible decision much worse.
Still suffering sever Brain fog, Confusion, slow thinking,And just feeling sick and weird (hard to explain),facial twitching, weakness, shaking and jerking

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 10:47 AM

Are you taking fish oil in divided doses throughout the day?
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Posted 07 July 2012 - 11:02 AM

I tried all sorts of things in the fall of 2010 when cog fog was my second most potent w/d symptom. Unfortunately hypersensitivity was my strongest w/d symptom and trying cog enhancing supplements actually caused me a bit of trouble. I tried lecithin. After three doses I had a severe setback. For about two weeks I didn't shower and largely stayed in bed. I had increased anxiety/stimulussensitivy for a few months after... Do you respond well to supplements? If fish oil is causing overstimulation, I'd recommend caution with the brain boosters.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 11:05 AM

Hey Hawk, I just looked at your signature and noticed you just completed your taper a couple of weeks ago after about 7 years on, is that right?

"Well my ship's been split to splinters and it's sinking fast
I'm drowning in the poison, got no future, got no past
But my heart is not weary, it's light and it's free
I've got nothing but affection for all those who sailed with me.

Everybody's moving, if they ain't already there
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Stick with me baby, stick with me anyhow
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Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:40 PM

Hey Hawk,

I just looked at your signature and noticed you just completed your taper a couple of weeks ago after about 7 years on, is that right?



yes that is correct. My brain fog and memory loss are debilitating right now. I am sooo terried that I will be like this forever. I have read many other posts from user and it seems the ones who suffer from the debilating brain fog issues seem to never fully recover. What was your brain fog like? Did it get better? How long did it take to seen improvement?

Thanks
Paxil 10mg 2004-2011
7.5mg 4months
5mg. 4months
2.5mg.8 months no wd issues
Dropped pax 4-10-12
5-9-12 started prozac to alleviate symptoms (no relief)
5-22-12 reinstated paxil 2.5mg
5-28-12 5mg pax (couldn't tolerate sides)
6-22-12 Pax 2.5
6-30-12 Pax O
Cerebrolysin to help with wd at 29 months. Horrible decision much worse.
Still suffering sever Brain fog, Confusion, slow thinking,And just feeling sick and weird (hard to explain),facial twitching, weakness, shaking and jerking

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:41 PM

Are you taking fish oil in divided doses throughout the day?


Alto I am only taking one capsule in the AM. Unfortunantley fish oil was gives me intense insomnia at higher doses.
Paxil 10mg 2004-2011
7.5mg 4months
5mg. 4months
2.5mg.8 months no wd issues
Dropped pax 4-10-12
5-9-12 started prozac to alleviate symptoms (no relief)
5-22-12 reinstated paxil 2.5mg
5-28-12 5mg pax (couldn't tolerate sides)
6-22-12 Pax 2.5
6-30-12 Pax O
Cerebrolysin to help with wd at 29 months. Horrible decision much worse.
Still suffering sever Brain fog, Confusion, slow thinking,And just feeling sick and weird (hard to explain),facial twitching, weakness, shaking and jerking

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:45 PM


Hey Hawk,

I just looked at your signature and noticed you just completed your taper a couple of weeks ago after about 7 years on, is that right?



yes that is correct. My brain fog and memory loss are debilitating right now. I am sooo terried that I will be like this forever. I have read many other posts from user and it seems the ones who suffer from the debilating brain fog issues seem to never fully recover. What was your brain fog like? Did it get better? How long did it take to seen improvement?

Thanks

Wow Hawk I am going through the same thing right now, check out my post introducing myself, the cognitive fog is unbelievable , three months laters i cannont put words together, feel kinda out of it zombie like, memory for words is shot, trying to find answers, i have always took 2 fish oils at high epa and dha levels through out all my anti dep use, i was on effexor for 6 years, now off it for 3 months, hard getting by, but i don't feel horrible just scared/worried about the brain fog symptoms, hoping for some good positive info!nice to know i am not alone,
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Posted 07 July 2012 - 09:28 PM


Hey Hawk,

I just looked at your signature and noticed you just completed your taper a couple of weeks ago after about 7 years on, is that right?



yes that is correct. My brain fog and memory loss are debilitating right now. I am sooo terried that I will be like this forever. I have read many other posts from user and it seems the ones who suffer from the debilating brain fog issues seem to never fully recover. What was your brain fog like? Did it get better? How long did it take to seen improvement?

Thanks

I'm really sorry to hear how bad things are going right now. I remember my first few months off and I simply couldn't focus, concentrate, remember, etc... In my case, I got a lot better fairly rapidly. I saw serious improvement in a few months, though our circumstances are quite different.

Unfortunately, like I said, a larger problem has been with hypersensitivity. I have tried many remedies for my withdrawal problems and ultimately I am much worse off now in many ways.

If I was in your shoes, as terrible and frightening as things are right now, I would be cautious. Eat right, get exercise at the appropriate level, get sunshine... Give yourself some time. Your body has been through a lot in coming off this drug and needs to be left alone to rconfigure.

It's pretty much a guarantee that you wont feel this way forever...even if it doesn't feel that way right now.

Good luck,
Alex

"Well my ship's been split to splinters and it's sinking fast
I'm drowning in the poison, got no future, got no past
But my heart is not weary, it's light and it's free
I've got nothing but affection for all those who sailed with me.

Everybody's moving, if they ain't already there
Everybody's got to move somewhere
Stick with me baby, stick with me anyhow
Things should start to get interesting right about now."

- Zimmerman