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Posted 05 July 2011 - 10:44 AM

Authoritative sources documenting Post-SSRI Sexual Disorder (PSSD), more fallout from antidepressant withdrawal syndrome. There are many, many anecdotal reports about this on the Web.

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Bahrick, Audrey S., and Mark M. Harris, "Sexual Side Effects of Antidepressant Medications: An Informed Consent Accountability Gap." Journal Of Contemporary Psychotherapy, Vol 39(2), June 2009, pp 135-143. No PubMed abstract. Full text here.

Abstract from the paper:

Sexual side effects of antidepressant medications are far more common than initially reported, and their scope, quality, and duration remain poorly captured in the literature. Antidepressant treatment emergent sexual dysfunctions may decrease clients’ quality of life, complicate psychotherapy, and damage the treatment alliance. Potential damage to the treatment alliance is greatest when clients have not been adequately informed of risks related to sexual side effects. It had previously been assumed that sexual side effects always resolve shortly after medications are discontinued. Emerging evidence, however, suggests that in some individuals, sexual dysfunction side effects may persist indefinitely. The authors argue that all psychologists should be well-informed about sexual side effects risks of antidepressant medications, should routinely conduct a pre-medication baseline assessment of sexual functioning, and take an active role in the informed consent process.

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Farnsworth K, Dinsmore W. Persistent sexual dysfunction in genitourinary medicine clinic attendees induced by selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. International Journal of STD & AIDS [serial online]. 2009;20(1):68-69. No PubMed abstract. Full text here.

From this letter to the journal editor:

Sir: It is widely known that selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) can cause various types of sexual dysfunction (SD) and recent studies have shown that prevalence may be as high as 60%1 among SSRI users. Emerging evidence shows that in some patients SD may persist and even worsen, long after treatment cessation. It is this group of long-term post-SSRI treatment sufferers that we are concerned with here....

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Csoka AB, Bahrick A, Mehtonen O. Persistent sexual dysfunction after discontinuation of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Journal of Sexual Medicine [serial online]. January 2008;5(1):227-233.

Abstract at http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18173768 [url="[url="http://www.mediafire.com/?iu50tqxgs82lxc2"]Full text here.[/url]"]Full text here.[/url]

INTRODUCTION:

Sexual dysfunctions such as low libido, anorgasmia, genital anesthesia, and erectile dysfunction are very common in patients taking selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). It has been assumed that these side effects always resolve after discontinuing treatment, but recently, four cases were presented in which sexual function did not return to baseline. Here, we describe three more cases. Case #1: A 29-year-old with apparently permanent erectile dysfunction after taking fluoxetine 20 mg once daily for a 4-month period in 1996. Case #2: A 44-year-old male with persistent loss of libido, genital anesthesia, ejaculatory anhedonia, and erectile dysfunction after taking 20-mg once daily citalopram for 18 months. Case #3: A 28-year-old male with persistent loss of libido, genital anesthesia, and ejaculatory anhedonia since taking several different SSRIs over a 2-year period from 2003-2005.

RESULTS:

No psychological issues related to sexuality were found in any of the three cases, and all common causes of sexual dysfunction such as decreased testosterone, increased prolactin or diabetes were ruled out. Erectile capacity is temporarily restored for Case #1 with injectable alprostadil, and for Case #2 with oral sildenafil, but their other symptoms remain. Case #3 has had some reversal of symptoms with extended-release methylphenidate, although it is not yet known if these prosexual effects will persist when the drug is discontinued.

CONCLUSION:

SSRIs can cause long-term effects on all aspects of the sexual response cycle that may persist after they are discontinued. Mechanistic hypotheses including persistent endocrine and epigenetic gene expression alterations were briefly discussed.

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Kauffman, R., Murdock A. "Prolonged Post-Treatment Genital Anesthesia and Sexual Dysfunction Following Discontinuation of Citalopram and the Atypical Antidepressant Nefazodone." The Open Women Health Journal, 2007 (1), 1-3. No Pubmed abstract. Full text here.

Abstract from the paper: SSRI therapy is commonly associated with sexual side effects, but it is assumed that these distressing symptoms resolve with termination of therapy. The atypical antidepressant nefazodone is infrequently associated with sexual dysfunction and may be substituted for SSRI’s when sexual symptoms are intolerable. Recently, scattered case reports of persistent sexual dysfunction and genital anesthesia persisting well after termination of SSRI antidepressant therapy have surfaced. In each case, the underlying depressive disorder was in remission.

Case: A 32-year old women with major depression was treated with citalopram but switched to nefazodone after 4 weeks of therapy due to genital anesthesia and orgasmic dysfunction. These symptoms continued following institution of nefazodone therapy and have persisted for over a year since termination of antidepressant treatment. Her depression remains in full remission.

Discussion: It is likely that persistent post-treatment genital anesthesia and other sexual side effects are underreported, and physicians should be aware of this bothersome phenomenon. Formal post-treatment surveillance for this condition is war- ranted. Pharmacogenomic research may ultimately allow physicians to predict who is at risk for antidepressant induced sexual side effects.

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Bahrick, Audrey S, "Post-SSRI Sexual Dysfunction." ASAP Tablet, Vol 7(3), Sept 2006, pg 2.
No PubMed abstract. Full text here.

From the article:

Post-market research has now firmly established that the SSRIs and SNRIs can significantly affect most every aspect of sexual functioning at rates significantly higher than the 5-15% reported in pre-market trials. Depending on definitions of sexual dysfunction and methodology, post-market prevalence studies have found rates between 36% and 98%. The 5 to 15% rates of SSRI and SNRI-induced sexual side-effects listed in the current drug-insert literature are based on information obtained in the initial trials via spontaneous reports of individuals who had been on the medications for a short time. The differences in reported rates between the pre-market trials and post-market prevalence studies are an artifact of methodology; we now know that when individuals are directly asked about their experience of sexual side effects via either a structured clinical interview or a self-report inventory, we obtain vastly different rate information than if we rely on individuals to spontaneously volunteer personally sensitive information about changes in sexual functioning....

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Csoka AB, Shipko S. "Persistent sexual side effects after SSRI discontinuation." Psychother Psychosom. 2006;75(3):187-8. No PubMed abstract. Full text here.

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Bolton J, Sareen J, Reiss J. Genital anaesthesia persisting six years after sertraline discontinuation. Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy [serial online]. July 2006;32(4):327-330. Full text here.

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Edited by Altostrata, 26 September 2012 - 06:46 PM.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 05:59 PM

As the above showed high prolactin was not the cause of PSSD why would they use Cabergoline as a preventative... I wonder does it work would it help me. Do you have any further understanding or information on this? "http://en.wikipedia....iki/Cabergoline Off-label/recreational uses It has at times been used as an adjunct to SSRI antidepressants as there is some evidence that it counteracts certain side effects of those drugs, such as reduced libido and anorgasmia. It also has been suggested online that it has a possible recreational use in reducing or eliminating the male refractory period, thereby allowing men to experience multiple ejaculatory orgasms in rapid succession, and at least one scientific study supports those speculations.[7] It is also used by bodybuilders to control gynecomastia caused by elevated prolactin levels through the use of anabolic steroids such as nandrolone and trenbolone. Additionally, a systematic review and meta-analysis concluded that prophylactic treatment with cabergoline reduces the incidence, but not the severity, of ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS), without compromising pregnancy outcomes, in females undergoing stimulated cycles of in vitro fertilization (IVF).[8] Also, a study on rats found that cabergoline reduces voluntary alcohol consumption, possibly by increasing GDNF expression in the ventral tegmental area.[9" I have always said I will not take drugs I do not understand seven years of PSSD has me asking questions about this one just asking.

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Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:12 AM

Occasionally someone on SSRIsex posts that they've tried cabergoline. Success seems to vary or they'd all be taking it! It seems that males are the focus of the Wikipedia statement. Men seem to be more driven to try anything to increase virility. I've never heard of women taking it. Obviously, whatever hormonal effects it has would be different in women.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:18 AM

To give an idea of how complex this is -- and not just a matter of dopamine, estrogen, or testoterone,

J Endocrinol. 2005 Sep;186(3):411-27.
The endocrinology of sexual arousal.
Bancroft J.

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The Kinsey Institute, Indiana University, Morrison Hall third floor, Bloomington, Indiana 47405, USA. jbancrof@indiana.edu

Abstract at http://www.ncbi.nlm....2?dopt=Abstract Free full text at http://intl-joe.endo.../186/3/411.full

The relevance of testosterone, oestradiol and certain peptides (oxytocin (OT), beta-endorphin and prolactin (PRL)) to sexual arousal in humans is reviewed. In addition to behavioural studies, evidence of distribution of gonadal steroid receptors in the brain and the limited evidence from brain imaging are also considered. Testosterone plays a key role in the adult male, with clear, consistent evidence from studies of hypogonadal and eugonadal men. The roles of testosterone in the development of sexual arousability, and in the aging male, are less clear. The relevance of aromatization and of non-sexual effects of testosterone which might indirectly influence sexual arousal are not well understood. Testosterone in the female presents a more complex, less consistent picture. One possible explanation is a much greater variability across women in responsiveness to testosterone. A 'desensitization hypothesis' to account for the striking gender differences is offered. There is limited evidence of a direct effect of oestradiol on sexual arousability in women. The extent to which testosterone in women acts by conversion to oestradiol or by increase of free oestradiol is not yet clear. The role of peptides in sexual arousal remains uncertain, partly because of the multiple roles and sites of action of most peptides. OT and beta-endorphin appear to have both excitatory and inhibitory effects. PRL has been proposed as an inhibitory factor via direct inhibition of dopaminergic activity, but the evidence for this is inconclusive. Whereas the traditional concept of 'hormone' continues to apply to the role of testosterone and oestradiol in sexual arousal, peptides present a more complex role.
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Posted 14 May 2014 - 10:23 AM

Kauffman, R., Murdock A. "Prolonged Post-Treatment Genital Anesthesia and Sexual Dysfunction Following Discontinuation of Citalopram and the Atypical Antidepressant Nefazodone." The Open Women Health Journal, 2007 (1), 1-3. No Pubmed abstract. Full text here.

 

Regarding this passage:
 
"Permanent changes in serotonin transmission physiology manifested by diminished sexual behavior have been reported in murine models following neonatal or adolescent SSRI exposure and hence, it is biologically plausible that ananalogous alteration of serotonin receptor neurophysiology might persist in adult humans."
 
Doesn't this paper seem to suggest that PSSD could be permanent after all?

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Coping w/PSSD and Anhedonia ever since
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Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:03 AM

Why don't you write the authors for their opinion? Please post what you find out in this topic.


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:24 AM

I'll see if I can get a hold of the authors. If the conclusion to their paper is any indication, I'm guessing any potential update from either of them will be just as ambiguous: "Long term follow up will be crucial in order to determine if antidepressant induced sexual dysfunction remains a permanent phenomenon."


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Quit CT after 100mg 2-day binge violently ill w/brain zaps
Nov '12 nasty WD including PSSD so I reinstated at 10mg
2 month taper from Dec '12 thru Jan '13
Feb '13 2nd WD even worse w/every possible SE at once
Coping w/PSSD and Anhedonia ever since
Pleasure & Reward center of my brain remains offline

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 01:08 PM

Exactly. But they may have something interesting to say.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 03:15 PM

Genital anaesthesia persisting six years after sertraline discontinuation (2006)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/16709553


Prolonged Post-Treatment Genital Anesthesia and Sexual Dysfunction Following Discontinuation of Citalopram and the Atypical Antidepressant Nefazodone (2007)
http://www.benthamsc...V001/1TOWHJ.pdf


Persistent Sexual Dysfunction after Discontinuation of Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (2008 )
https://docs.google....NTA4/edit?hl=en


Netherlands Pharmacovigilance Centre Lareb contained 19 reports (2012)
http://www.lareb.nl/...2012_3_SSRI.pdf


The impact of persistent sexual side effects of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors after discontinuing treatment: a qualitative study (2013)
http://ir.uiowa.edu/...061&context=etd


One hundred and twenty cases of enduring sexual dysfunction following treatment (2014)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24902508


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 06:22 PM

Thank you, anacleta.

I merged your list with an existing topic. Please use search in this forum before starting a new Journals topic here.
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Posted 17 June 2014 - 03:11 PM

anacleta, I corrected the links above, thank you.


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Posted 12 October 2014 - 04:52 PM

I really haven't put much thought upon this bc I hate to think about it.
This year I finally researched to find why my libido was so decreased n why things that used to feel good sexually started hurting me. I knew it was the meds. Well this year, I was resolved to find another answer. We got my low estrogen boosted to average range. I got my prolactin level to normal again. So I have to accept its these meds.
I don't know if anyone else can relate, but I almost feel asexual. Sex is a chore to me. I just lay there hoping it will be over quick. Is this normal?
Was on antidepressants on and off from 2000-2007 dx with MDD n anxiety.
2009- had like a physical breakdown. Was exhausted n not functioning properly. Still have depression n had become suicidal. Shrink dx bipolar while I never had a single manic episode. I got at least 8-9 hours of sleep every night. I required that to function since a child. I was admitted to the psych ward immediately. Was then put on a cocktail.
Lithium, lamotrigine, wellbutrin, prozac, depakote, Xanax, trazadone and ritalin.
Went through over 50 shock treatments n put on Invega in addition
Spring 2014, made the decision to try to get off some meds.
11 weeks ago I qt quit invega
10/6 reinstated 150 mg of Wellbutrin
I currently take 40 mg of prozac, 300 mg of lamotrigine, 1 mg of Xanax, 150 mg of trazadone
I am down from three medications. The forementioned others that I was initially put on I stopped prior to 2014.
I am hoping to be med free one day. I do not have any intention of stopping the current ones right now. I'm going to give my body a little more time to adjust.
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Posted 17 October 2014 - 06:29 PM

I really haven't put much thought upon this bc I hate to think about it.
This year I finally researched to find why my libido was so decreased n why things that used to feel good sexually started hurting me. I knew it was the meds. Well this year, I was resolved to find another answer. We got my low estrogen boosted to average range. I got my prolactin level to normal again. So I have to accept its these meds.
I don't know if anyone else can relate, but I almost feel asexual. Sex is a chore to me. I just lay there hoping it will be over quick. Is this normal?

you were on some 10 drugs or more ....I am sure wellbutrin didn't work for pssd .it wont alone anyway ...but here is a thing You want to get off all the drugs and everything - turn the lifestyle around , go to gym ..strict diet  , protein rich diet .. and take a few supplements that are all mentioned over here .. this may take a few years but it is the best shot for recovering naturally ! some were saying about inositol treats symptoms of  PSSD and that is true because of the upregulation mechanism   http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11267629

 

You were on trazodone but with combination of other medication ... I would strongly advice to get off all medication esp SSRI- they are the most toxic 

 

Trazodone  alone is an interesting compound that can  reverse some symptoms of PSSD .. Trazodone is an alpha-1-adrenergic blocker - which means it almost entirely blocks the vasoconstrictive effects of adrenaline.Trazodone  antagonizes the contractile serotonin receptors...That would be 5-HT2A etc .Trazodone may thus lower cortisol and prolactin levels and raise testosterone indirectly.



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Posted 19 October 2014 - 11:29 AM

http://survivinganti...sd/#entry102373

  • Sexual arousal. Oxytocin injected into the cerebrospinal fluid causes spontaneous erections in rats,[12] reflecting actions in the hypothalamus and spinal cord.

This scientist say ssri type drugs can lower oxytocin how that may reflect on the rest of sex hard to say...but it is some connection at least.

read the link it is interesting


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 03:29 PM

Interesting btdt!! Thanks for sharing.
Was on antidepressants on and off from 2000-2007 dx with MDD n anxiety.
2009- had like a physical breakdown. Was exhausted n not functioning properly. Still have depression n had become suicidal. Shrink dx bipolar while I never had a single manic episode. I got at least 8-9 hours of sleep every night. I required that to function since a child. I was admitted to the psych ward immediately. Was then put on a cocktail.
Lithium, lamotrigine, wellbutrin, prozac, depakote, Xanax, trazadone and ritalin.
Went through over 50 shock treatments n put on Invega in addition
Spring 2014, made the decision to try to get off some meds.
11 weeks ago I qt quit invega
10/6 reinstated 150 mg of Wellbutrin
I currently take 40 mg of prozac, 300 mg of lamotrigine, 1 mg of Xanax, 150 mg of trazadone
I am down from three medications. The forementioned others that I was initially put on I stopped prior to 2014.
I am hoping to be med free one day. I do not have any intention of stopping the current ones right now. I'm going to give my body a little more time to adjust.
Progress not perfection!!

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 04:55 AM

this is very bad, is there any hope


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Posted 27 December 2014 - 08:35 AM

I have given up any hope of an improvement in this area ..after 4 years drug free and waiting for a recovery that hasnt occured i now see it as permanent ..thats right i said the p word ...its permanent damage done by one proclaiming first to do no harm....yeah right!

Yes i also feel asexual. The nerves in this area imo have somehow  been chemically destroyed imo.


2000 amitryptaline, nortriptaline venlafaxine clonazepam for  arm pain from keyboard use, told I had a chemical imbalance it would fix my arm was just a matter of finding the right med for me not informed of the nature of these drugs assured safe and not addictive, CT off Effexor after being told to double the dose on reporting adverse effects...later ..uncharacteristic psych panic tearful presented to doctor to get answers. Given paroxetine no questions asked 'safe and not addictive' next please.2001-2010 paroxetine (paxil) 2 failed attempts to quit, a learned helplessness set in. Feb 10 - Sept 10,  8 month clueless taper, hell. Doc said I had underlying depression .. I said that's not right' then found online support group and the truth!...overcome with inconceivable humiliation and outrage. 28 Sept 10 drug free ...  daily psych and emotional torture beginning in the waking hours of the morning receding somewhat in the evening only to start up again the next day. 28 Sept 12 (24 months) Stabilizing  (What an indescribable unimaginable non-functional nightmare). sleep issues start up at 3 yrs  waking daily at 2am -4.30am)28 Sept 15 (5yrs drug free), cf, cmw, insomnia  horrifying pssd continues, still feel Rip van Winkle-ish, cognitively doing heaps better. 28 Sept 16 after 6 yrs start working again on a casual basis.

 

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"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

See  my intro post #451 for the xanax back story and for a CV -GSKs.  Come on guys get taperwise see a TaperMe Schedule

 For a staggeringly shocking 'prozac back story' see the truth post #523

 

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 08:44 PM

Interesting btdt!! Thanks for sharing.

It was more for interests sake even tho I use to like sex I think hard to recall... but I think I had some amazing moments ... 

I don't know what it's worth is to me at this point in my life perhaps I have lived so long without it now I have settled... 

maybe if I had an urge and couldn't I would feel different.. yes I do think of it I know it is off the table... so try not to hamper myself more with thoughts of sex

 

If it all came back due to natural healing I would welcome it with open arms... I like to feel as human as possible as alive as possible.  however... I am in no way ever going to consider this option they are using in rats...

 

"Oxytocin injected into the cerebrospinal fluid causes spontaneous erections in rat"

 

not ever... or any other drug either... in the beginning I thought of trying this or that to treat it looked long and hard for a "cure"  maybe I recalled sex better then I felt the need to fix a  lot more then... I hate the thought that I have just given up on it.. I hate the thought I have just settled but maybe I have I just don't know.  I do know I am not willing to risk any of the hard won healing I have so far to get sex back not a chance in hell. 

 

I don't think anyone can guarantee the results of drugs on a person like me as I now react to most things I take enough I would never chance a drug to get sex back into my life... I don't trust the drugs to be safe... sorry once bitten twice shy. 

 

LOL this thought comes to mind... the three stooges... hit on the head gets amnesia and of course another hit on head cures him... :) we know what serial concussions do to sports players don't we.  I am just running off at the mouth here and this is just me... we are all different so I hear. 

 

Just my take on it.   peace all. 


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivinganti...ng-myself-btdt/

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Posted 12 February 2015 - 05:16 PM

I was reading all the links in post #9

this one turned my head

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24902508

 

nt J Risk Saf Med. 2014;26(2):109-16. doi: 10.3233/JRS-140617.
One hundred and twenty cases of enduring sexual dysfunction following treatment.
Abstract
BACKGROUND:

There have been reports for over a decade linking serotonin reuptake inhibitors, finasteride and isotretinoin with enduring sexual dysfunction after treatment stops.

OBJECTIVE:

To explore the clinical pictures linked to all 3 drugs.

METHODS:

We have selected 120 reports to RxISK.org reporting the problem and mined these for data on age, gender, drug of use, and impact of the problem.

RESULTS:

The data make it clear that the three drugs show extensive overlap in symptom profile, regardless of sex or country of origin.

CONCLUSIONS:

The availability of 120 reports from over 20 countries add to the case for the validity of the syndrome. This is severe and enduring condition can result in death. An understanding of its physiology and an approach to treatment are needed.

KEYWORDS:

SSRIs; erectile dysfunction; finasteride; genital anesthesia; isotretinoin; loss of libido

" This is severe and enduring condition can result in death."

 

The article gives no indication of cause of death other than it is related to the use of said drugs and PSSD

 

It makes me curious. 


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivinganti...ng-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)


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Posted 12 February 2015 - 05:46 PM

 

I really haven't put much thought upon this bc I hate to think about it.
This year I finally researched to find why my libido was so decreased n why things that used to feel good sexually started hurting me. I knew it was the meds. Well this year, I was resolved to find another answer. We got my low estrogen boosted to average range. I got my prolactin level to normal again. So I have to accept its these meds.
I don't know if anyone else can relate, but I almost feel asexual. Sex is a chore to me. I just lay there hoping it will be over quick. Is this normal?

you were on some 10 drugs or more ....I am sure wellbutrin didn't work for pssd .it wont alone anyway ...but here is a thing You want to get off all the drugs and everything - turn the lifestyle around , go to gym ..strict diet  , protein rich diet .. and take a few supplements that are all mentioned over here .. this may take a few years but it is the best shot for recovering naturally ! some were saying about inositol treats symptoms of  PSSD and that is true because of the upregulation mechanism   http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11267629

 

You were on trazodone but with combination of other medication ... I would strongly advice to get off all medication esp SSRI- they are the most toxic 

 

Trazodone  alone is an interesting compound that can  reverse some symptoms of PSSD .. Trazodone is an alpha-1-adrenergic blocker - which means it almost entirely blocks the vasoconstrictive effects of adrenaline.Trazodone  antagonizes the contractile serotonin receptors...That would be 5-HT2A etc .Trazodone may thus lower cortisol and prolactin levels and raise testosterone indirectly.

 

"Trazodone  alone is an interesting compound that can  reverse some symptoms of PSSD .. Trazodone is an alpha-1-adrenergic blocker - which means it almost entirely blocks the vasoconstrictive effects of adrenaline.Trazodone  antagonizes the contractile serotonin receptors...That would be 5-HT2A etc .Trazodone may thus lower cortisol and prolactin levels and raise testosterone indirectly."

 

Ok I would like to start with the 5-HT2A

http://en.wikipedia....5-HT2A_receptor

"Downregulation of post-synaptic 5-HT2A receptor is an adaptive process provoked by chronic administration of SSRIs and classical antipsychotics."

 

So there is no doubt at this point that ssri drugs are the cause of this PSSD issue.  Downregulation is at least part of the problem if not all as it appears complex. 

 

ssri induced - vasoconstrictive effects of adrenaline is this true?

seems it is or can be...close enough 

 

  • Antidepressant Use Linked With Increased Atherosclerosis
    www.medscape.com/viewarticle/740116
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    Apr 2, 2011 - In a study of twins, the one taking any class of antidepressant had a 5% ... serotonin-reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), can cause vasoconstriction of various ... the observational nature of the analysis, noting that these results do not  ...

     

    If another drug helped I would not take it not a psych drug like this... I was going to look but came to a site already talking about it

     

    decided to leave the search here with this site specific to the topic  

    http://www.pssdforum....php?f=39&p=787

    PSSD collaborative research

    A forum dedicated to collaborative research into PSSD (post SSRI sexual dysfunction).

     


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivinganti...ng-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)


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Posted 12 February 2015 - 05:49 PM

this is the better link to the home page for the site above

http://www.pssdforum...1afb017c877c16e


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivinganti...ng-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)


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Posted 12 February 2015 - 06:55 PM

btdt, I hid your post. It was off-topic. Please respect the original intention of every topic, particularly those in the Journals forum.


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Posted 12 February 2015 - 08:06 PM

btdt, I hid your post. It was off-topic. Please respect the original intention of every topic, particularly those in the Journals forum.

could you please put it in my own thread 

as i do not want to lose it completely

thanks


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivinganti...ng-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:31 PM

Please stop making more work for me and the moderators.


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Posted 19 February 2015 - 03:30 PM

Are you all saying that there is no healing

for some of us

and for some others yes

Am I getting the picture


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Posted 19 April 2015 - 06:52 PM

Dont know if this is the right place to post this but all i have is the title,

 

Does anyone know anything about this

 

Waldinger MD et al Penile anaesthesia in post ssri sexual dysfunction responds to low power laser irradiation.A case study and hypothesis about the role of trasiaent receptor potential TRP ion channels. European Journal of Pharmacology 2014 doi 10.1016


2000 amitryptaline, nortriptaline venlafaxine clonazepam for  arm pain from keyboard use, told I had a chemical imbalance it would fix my arm was just a matter of finding the right med for me not informed of the nature of these drugs assured safe and not addictive, CT off Effexor after being told to double the dose on reporting adverse effects...later ..uncharacteristic psych panic tearful presented to doctor to get answers. Given paroxetine no questions asked 'safe and not addictive' next please.2001-2010 paroxetine (paxil) 2 failed attempts to quit, a learned helplessness set in. Feb 10 - Sept 10,  8 month clueless taper, hell. Doc said I had underlying depression .. I said that's not right' then found online support group and the truth!...overcome with inconceivable humiliation and outrage. 28 Sept 10 drug free ...  daily psych and emotional torture beginning in the waking hours of the morning receding somewhat in the evening only to start up again the next day. 28 Sept 12 (24 months) Stabilizing  (What an indescribable unimaginable non-functional nightmare). sleep issues start up at 3 yrs  waking daily at 2am -4.30am)28 Sept 15 (5yrs drug free), cf, cmw, insomnia  horrifying pssd continues, still feel Rip van Winkle-ish, cognitively doing heaps better. 28 Sept 16 after 6 yrs start working again on a casual basis.

 

The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease.' - Thomas A. Edison

 

“Paroxetine is not safe, it is not effective and it meets every known definition of addictive.” McLaren, N, (2016) 'Psychiatry as bullsh*t’ p55..."Psychiatry is stuffed full of 'deep nonsense' better known as bullsh*t." McLaren 2016

 

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

See  my intro post #451 for the xanax back story and for a CV -GSKs.  Come on guys get taperwise see a TaperMe Schedule

 For a staggeringly shocking 'prozac back story' see the truth post #523

 

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 04:44 PM

You'd have to Google to find more information.


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Posted 22 April 2015 - 08:31 PM

Dont know if this is the right place to post this but all i have is the title,

 

Does anyone know anything about this

 

Waldinger MD et al Penile anaesthesia in post ssri sexual dysfunction responds to low power laser irradiation.A case study and hypothesis about the role of trasiaent receptor potential TRP ion channels. European Journal of Pharmacology 2014 doi 10.1016

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/25483212

the study 

" After 20 LPLI-treatment sessions of 15min each, patient reported partial return of penile touch and temperature sensation. Clinical improvement of glans penis sensitivity was reported to 20% and 40%, compared to pre-paroxetine treatment penile sensitivity during erect and flaccid states, respectively. However, anejaculation and erectile difficulties remained unchanged. "

 

"It is hypothesized that SSRI treatment induces disturbances of transient receptor potential (TRP) ion channels of mechano-, thermo- and chemosensitive nerve endings and receptors resulting in the penile anesthesia in PSSD. It is further hypothesized that there are two types of PSSD, one of which occurs soon after the start of SSRI treatment."


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivinganti...ng-myself-btdt/

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 11:09 PM

Thanks for posting that btdt.

Having trouble accessing the link but i think its probably my computer. i have assumed you have simply got the abstract only. 

 

Basically it appears there idea of lazer at the end of the day does stuff all. 

I have lost all trust whatsoever with the medical profession so i certainly wont allow them to lazer me.They have already done enough damage as it is.

 

Personally i believe damage has also been done in the brain and cns train track that leads from upstairs to downstairs ...its been totally sabotaged !


2000 amitryptaline, nortriptaline venlafaxine clonazepam for  arm pain from keyboard use, told I had a chemical imbalance it would fix my arm was just a matter of finding the right med for me not informed of the nature of these drugs assured safe and not addictive, CT off Effexor after being told to double the dose on reporting adverse effects...later ..uncharacteristic psych panic tearful presented to doctor to get answers. Given paroxetine no questions asked 'safe and not addictive' next please.2001-2010 paroxetine (paxil) 2 failed attempts to quit, a learned helplessness set in. Feb 10 - Sept 10,  8 month clueless taper, hell. Doc said I had underlying depression .. I said that's not right' then found online support group and the truth!...overcome with inconceivable humiliation and outrage. 28 Sept 10 drug free ...  daily psych and emotional torture beginning in the waking hours of the morning receding somewhat in the evening only to start up again the next day. 28 Sept 12 (24 months) Stabilizing  (What an indescribable unimaginable non-functional nightmare). sleep issues start up at 3 yrs  waking daily at 2am -4.30am)28 Sept 15 (5yrs drug free), cf, cmw, insomnia  horrifying pssd continues, still feel Rip van Winkle-ish, cognitively doing heaps better. 28 Sept 16 after 6 yrs start working again on a casual basis.

 

The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease.' - Thomas A. Edison

 

“Paroxetine is not safe, it is not effective and it meets every known definition of addictive.” McLaren, N, (2016) 'Psychiatry as bullsh*t’ p55..."Psychiatry is stuffed full of 'deep nonsense' better known as bullsh*t." McLaren 2016

 

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

See  my intro post #451 for the xanax back story and for a CV -GSKs.  Come on guys get taperwise see a TaperMe Schedule

 For a staggeringly shocking 'prozac back story' see the truth post #523

 

"If I were an enemy combatant and the NZ army did this to me someone would be dragged to the Hague and jailed!"  nz11


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Posted 23 April 2015 - 09:35 AM

More research on the ion channels may show something it is not like anyone is really trying to fix this... I don't think it is a real big push... I wish it were. Something is wrong we know that sex is gone I know that... getting it back online is a process for some but after all this time and the wild headaches I get ...more like my brain is going to explode approaching orgasm... well that pain is not worth it.  Something is still wrong. Some people just get better for me it did not happen. Not yet at any rate and they say the only emotion greater than fear is hope... so if you can keep some hope maybe it will be helpful. 

 

Not so sure I can muster hope myself but still suggest it as a better way to live in withdrawal then the alternative... again is kind of like a choice but not really a real choice ... if that makes any sense. 


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivinganti...ng-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)


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Posted 23 April 2015 - 09:41 AM

NZ, I saw an article about this drug being used for PSSD. Just googled the drug name and pssd

 

Had you heard of it?

Cyproheptadine

2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink.

2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ...

Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.
2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures.

:o 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years.

I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body.

2015: I  began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning.

I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral.

And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. 

I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up.

In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body.   :unsure:


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Posted 23 April 2015 - 11:05 AM

Cyproheptadine

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Posted 23 April 2015 - 02:17 PM

 

NZ, I saw an article about this drug being used for PSSD. Just googled the drug name and pssd

 

Had you heard of it?

Cyproheptadine

 

No i havent. But the last thing i will be doing is swallowing more poisons.

Personally i believe the damage is so wide and deep that there is no way a drug will get us out of this silent torture.

But thanks maybe i'll have a search and a read.


2000 amitryptaline, nortriptaline venlafaxine clonazepam for  arm pain from keyboard use, told I had a chemical imbalance it would fix my arm was just a matter of finding the right med for me not informed of the nature of these drugs assured safe and not addictive, CT off Effexor after being told to double the dose on reporting adverse effects...later ..uncharacteristic psych panic tearful presented to doctor to get answers. Given paroxetine no questions asked 'safe and not addictive' next please.2001-2010 paroxetine (paxil) 2 failed attempts to quit, a learned helplessness set in. Feb 10 - Sept 10,  8 month clueless taper, hell. Doc said I had underlying depression .. I said that's not right' then found online support group and the truth!...overcome with inconceivable humiliation and outrage. 28 Sept 10 drug free ...  daily psych and emotional torture beginning in the waking hours of the morning receding somewhat in the evening only to start up again the next day. 28 Sept 12 (24 months) Stabilizing  (What an indescribable unimaginable non-functional nightmare). sleep issues start up at 3 yrs  waking daily at 2am -4.30am)28 Sept 15 (5yrs drug free), cf, cmw, insomnia  horrifying pssd continues, still feel Rip van Winkle-ish, cognitively doing heaps better. 28 Sept 16 after 6 yrs start working again on a casual basis.

 

The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease.' - Thomas A. Edison

 

“Paroxetine is not safe, it is not effective and it meets every known definition of addictive.” McLaren, N, (2016) 'Psychiatry as bullsh*t’ p55..."Psychiatry is stuffed full of 'deep nonsense' better known as bullsh*t." McLaren 2016

 

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

See  my intro post #451 for the xanax back story and for a CV -GSKs.  Come on guys get taperwise see a TaperMe Schedule

 For a staggeringly shocking 'prozac back story' see the truth post #523

 

"If I were an enemy combatant and the NZ army did this to me someone would be dragged to the Hague and jailed!"  nz11


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Posted 23 April 2015 - 05:46 PM

I know how you feel. Once bitten, twice bitten, thrice bitten...

2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink.

2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ...

Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.
2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures.

:o 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years.

I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body.

2015: I  began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning.

I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral.

And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. 

I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up.

In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body.   :unsure:


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Posted 23 April 2015 - 07:56 PM

Cyproheptadine

https://www.google.c... cyproheptadine


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivinganti...ng-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)


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Posted 27 May 2016 - 10:01 AM

Persistent sexual dysfunction after early exposure to SSRIs: Systematic review of animal studies

https://www.research..._animal_studies

September 2011 - 75 mg Effexor, 15 mg Mirtazapine
September 2012 - CT. Developed PSSD (mostly erectile dysfunction and diminished enjoyment of sex).
January 2016 - Symptoms persist, no improvements. In fact, things seem worse now than they were in the first year.