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Has anybody tried juicing and if so, did it help your energy?

 

Even though my sleep has greatly improved, I find I am still greatly dragging big time during the day. So that is why I am looking at this as a possibility.

 

If you do juice, please also tell me the specific juicer that you use.

 

Thanks!

 

CS

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Hey CS,

 

My mother bought a juicer recently, i'm not sure the model. Juicing appeals to me for digestive reasons.

 

I've tried only carrot juice because I am scared of overloading my system -- it's amazing how many carrots it takes to get, like, 4 ounces of juice. I had a bad day, anxiety wise, the time I drank the juice but am not ready to blame the carrot juice -- there were other stressors that day.

 

Has anyone else tried juicing vegetables/fruits?

 

I may experiment a bit. If I do, I'll post my results. Please share your experience if you are juicing.

 

Alex.i

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I love fresh juice, but can't manage to make it myself.

 

Seems to me like it's a great way to get top-quality nutrients from fruits and veggies.

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I did not respond well to the carrot juice. It's too potent on the stimulating side -- whatever the 'it' is.

 

Others may have better luck.

 

Alex.i

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Carrot juice can be....well....I don't need a laxative when I can get carrot juice.

 

It contains a lot of soluble fiber.

 

In moderation, it's delicious. It's full of vitamin beta-carotene, which is supposed to be good for your tissues.

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Ha! That wasn't the first effect, the unpleasant effect.

 

But, now that you mention it, the last two days (the two carrot days) both featured BMs. I attributed them to the fatty sugar - slice of cake each night - I've been eating. I lost 5 this month so lately I'll eat a slice of $6 cake (cheesecake, fudgecake, etc) here and there for the mass calories. (Cheap cakes from the grocery trigger me like crazy. Cake from the good bakery is much better -- I get fatter asymptomatically.)

 

Maybe I've misattributed the regularity. Hmmmm.... Food for thought.

 

Alex.i

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Thank you all for responding.

 

To facilitate this decision, I may go to Whole Foods and order something from the juice bar to see how I feel after drinking it.

 

As an FYI, I tried buying pure carrot juice to see what would happen but I really felt I couldn't tell anything one way or another.

 

CS

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CS, the WF in my town has had a juicer guy come in to demo a very powerful juicer. He always mixes a few different fruits, veggies and ice. The smoothies taste really good even though they have small amounts of spinach or kale in them (?!). The idea of juicing/making a smoothie, particularly for breakfast, has always appealed to me. But the juicers that can reduce a carrot or rawa kale to juice are powerful and pricey. So I'd think long and hard before springing for one. You have to buy veggies, fruits, prep them, clean the blender...If you're near WF, it might be good to go to the juice bar regularly for a couple of weeks to see if the juices help before investing.

 

just my el cheapo two cents.

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alex, do you have any inclination to learn how to bake? You might be able to concoct just the right weight-gainer, plus amaze your friends and family!

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Honest answer: No. Ha!

 

But I had no inclination towards most of the things I've adopted through the ordeal. The sort of baking that results in delicious peanut butter chocolate cake, well, that seems a little advanced for me.

 

I would like to learn to cook all sorts of things though. Before this I was a takeout guy. Last few years, admittedly, I've relied on mom's cooking.

 

Have any tips?

 

alex.i

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I'm afraid my low-fat style of cooking wouldn't suit you. And I never had the patience to bake.

 

I have a feeling peanut-butter chocolate cake is not as hard as you think! And there are a lot of very simple recipes for cheesecake, that's one of the easiest cakes to make.

 

How about starting a topic and asking for tips?

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Juicing is great. Juicing is a must. The best juices for almost any ailment are carrot, spinach and celery. If you can't stand the taste of the spinach, blend an apple or 2. I use a Jack La lane juicer which I think are one of the best. You can get them on line or Bed bath beyond has them for a good price. I will tell youu the way to juice spinach if you are interested. It's a 2 fold process. Get back to me. John

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John, we'd love to hear your juicing tips!

 

I love fresh juice but it always seems to be so much work. Maybe if I understood better how to do it, I would.

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If you have the proper equipment, it is not a whole lot of work and the benefits you receive from juicing fresh fruits and vegetables is extraordinary. The

typical American diet is very deficient in vitamins, minerals and enzymes and one of the best ways to get the essential vitamins and minerals as well as "secret" unidentified supplements can only be found in the whole fruit and

vegetable. Frozen or canned will
not do and they must be fresh and you should make all attempts to get them organically grown which means they are not loaded with pesticides, chemicals and other things such as wax to

make them look nice and shiny but is indigestible by the human body. You can
find organically grown fruits and vegetables at Trader Joes, Mothers MARKET, WHOLE FOODS, Sprouts and some other stores. If you can't get

your produce organically grown then you will have to settle for regular supermarket quality which is allot better than nothing at all. Spinach is so valuable because it is loaded with chlorophyll hence the green color and all

green vegetables are good but spinach tops
the list. You should try hard to get this vegetable organically grown as it is one of the vegetables that is heavily sprayed. I have many documents where certain cancers were cured with spinach and carrot juice. To make spinach juice is a little work and it is a two fold process unless you can afford an expeller press or an Omega

Juicer is a little cheaper, which I had one and I decided that it ain't even worth the time because it is a slow process with the Omega juicer. If you are interested in one though, you can find them on Ebay for good prices.
To juice spinach you need any type of food processor. You can get those

anywhere for about 25 dollars. I have the old one called "La machine". Get 2 to 3 bunches of spinach and continuously rinse them until you can't see any more dirt. then soak them in sink of water with a couple of ounces of apple cider Vinegar to kill all the bugs and other stuff. Get your spinach and start blending it up with a small
amount of water and add water until it is mixing

into a good liquid. Their will still be little tiny pieces in the mixture. This is fine. After you have mixed all the spinach in the processor and you have it in a big bowl or pitcher then you get your juicer out and you pour the spinach into the juicer and you have pure spinach juice. A good idea is get the

remains of the chunks that you have put through your juicer and put it through at least one or 2 more times to obtain all the juice. If you can't hack the taste you can add an apple into the mixture which
is what I do and that will add a little fiber and taste to it or you can mix it with the carrot juice. I like to drink the carrot juice by itself as I find it tasty. If you really want to add
to the taste of the carrot juice you can add a couple of tablespoons of whole whipping cream or simply a half cup or more of whole milk. Carrots are very easy to juice. Just rinse several times then the last with the apple cider vinegar then just straight into the juicer for fresh carrot juice. Celery you can do the same way and Celery has a very strong aphrodisiac in it that I
can tell
you works well if you are not on a high dose of anti depressants. Once you are on a very low dose of anti depressants you should supplement your diet with celery juice, Flax seed oil (In my opinion, flax oil is better for the brain than fish oil for omegas), Vitamin E, The herbs Saw palmetto, Damiana,

Ginkgo Biobla, Gotu Kola. Their are others that you can google but these seem to work the best to strengthen sexual function

I buy several bunches of carrots and spinach and juice them all at one time and then I freeze them in plastic bottles. This way I don't have to go to the trouble of juicing everyday and I just unfreeze what I am going to drink for the day the night before. Drinking fruit and vegetable juice will also lower your
appetite dramatically because you are filling your body with hundreds of essential vitamins and minerals that your body has probably been craving for years if you are one to eat processed foods in cans and boxes and you eat allot of fast food.

You can also purchase a fine little book that will tell you more about the importance and value of juicing for physical and mental heath. It's called "fresh vegetable and fruit juices:what is missing from your body?" By Norman W. Walker. I surely have not covered everything and if you have any more questions feel free to drop me a line. :)

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I am feeling wired after dinner when I have no reason to. I haven't had good sleep for several days. I drank my last cup of coffee at 9am. I took my last fish oil capsule at 10am which would normally keep me up if take it too late.

 

Is it the juice concoction I had for dinner that is causing this? I put in parsley, kale, and celery.

 

CS

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First of all while I was on Nardil I used to love to drink coffee because the combination of the Nardil and the coffee put me on top of the world. I drank at least a pot a day. Now as I am weaning from the Nardil, if I drink 1 cup of coffee it seems as though I pay a price of 2 or 3 days of depression. I still drink 1 cup before I go to the gym which is only twice a week at the moment for 3 hours each time.

 

I have found that several different fish oils stimulate me and almost put me in to a panic and that is why I use fesh Flax seed oil instead which does not have any effect on me in this way. I should tell you though that anything in capsules can possibly cause adverse reactions to sensitive people like you and I use the liqid flax seed oil in a 16 ounce bottle called "Barleans" which can be gotten at several health food stores. This is the best type and must be refridgerated to stay fresh.

 

I believe your juice combination is great except for the parsley which can be stimulating and parsley should only be added in very small amounts because it has strong properties that can be harmful if over dosed on which could only happen by juicing it. Kale is great and has loads of calcium in it which has a calming effect on me and celery is one of the only vegetables that is very high in natural sodium which is so important for the sodium/potasium balance. Try flax oil if it is available to you and cut the parsley below 1 ounce a day or even less. That would be my personal recomendation. :)

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First of all while I was on Nardil I used to love to drink coffee because the combination of the Nardil and the coffee put me on top of the world. I drank at least a pot a day. Now as I am weaning from the Nardil, if I drink 1 cup of coffee it seems as though I pay a price of 2 or 3 days of depression. I still drink 1 cup before I go to the gym which is only twice a week at the moment for 3 hours each time.

 

I have found that several different fish oils stimulate me and almost put me in to a panic and that is why I use fesh Flax seed oil instead which does not have any effect on me in this way. I should tell you though that anything in capsules can possibly cause adverse reactions to sensitive people like you and I use the liqid flax seed oil in a 16 ounce bottle called "Barleans" which can be gotten at several health food stores. This is the best type and must be refridgerated to stay fresh.

 

I believe your juice combination is great except for the parsley which can be stimulating and parsley should only be added in very small amounts because it has strong properties that can be harmful if over dosed on which could only happen by juicing it. Kale is great and has loads of calcium in it which has a calming effect on me and celery is one of the only vegetables that is very high in natural sodium which is so important for the sodium/potasium balance. Try flax oil if it is available to you and cut the parsley below 1 ounce a day or even less. That would be my personal recomendation. :)

 

Thank you so much John.

 

I finally got to sleep by eating peanut butter and cherry juice. Not good for a cavity I am trying to keep at bay even with brushing. But since I am starting a temp assignment, I had to chose sleep over dental health.

 

The parsley/celery combination was recommended as good for dental health and it did seem helpful. But wow, I had no idea that parsley could be so stimulating. What causes that effect?

 

No, I don't think fish oil is really doing anything to cause activation even though I am careful not to take it in the afternoon. I don't feel that energetic after I take it. But my allergies seem worse if I cut it out so that is why I keep taking it. The brand doesn't seem to matter.

 

CS

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I was wondering if anybody started juicing to quickly ingest nutrients from fruits and vegetables. Obviously eating them whole is always better, but can take along time. Not only that, but you might not have the space in your stomach. Fruits have alot of sugar, so when you juice vegetables are going to be the main ingredient. I don't know if it the best thing to do, but I bought a jucier, and thought I would give it a go.

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I have had success in recent times with juicing. It has helped greatly with sleep, energy / fatigue and I give it some credit for my improvement in mood.  Depression has been absent which is amazing to me as this symptom has been ongoing whilst on the drugs and also in withdrawal.

 

The fatigue has lifted immeasurably .This has been a constant symptom and although I can also put it down to time off drugs and returning sleep, the juicing helped turn it around.

 

What makes juicing so special?

Juicing removes the fiber from vegetables and fruits. While fiber is an established, important part of an overall healthy diet, removing the insoluble fiber allows for the increased absorption of specific health promoting phytonutrients including enzymes while the soluble fiber persists into the juice.

By removing the fibers and consuming fruits and vegetables in liquid form we are providing a nutrient delivery system to our bodies that allows individuals who would otherwise have difficulty consuming whole vegetables the opportunity to reap the numerous benefits vegetables have to offer.

 

I like the fact that it floods the body with micronutrients that are easily absorbed by the cells. I think it's particularly helpful in withdrawal for those who have sensitivities to certain foods or supplements. It is a way of ensuring a full complement of vitamins and minerals that are often lacking, but sometimes difficult to obtain.

 

I believe this has been an integral aspect of my healing and recovery.

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Being a typical post-WW2 urban Scotsman, I grew up hating carrots, cabbage and other foliage.

My wife - raised on farms in England - loves all the stuff I do not.

 

Several months ago, she bought one of those in vogue nutribullet things that really pulverises fruit and veg.  I now have 1 or 2 glasses of that gloop a day and it includes things like spinach that I would never have dreamt of eating before.

The drink is very palatable as the flavour of things like in-season fruits dominates.

 

Strangely, a few months ago, my blood tests showed low folic acid and I was prescribed 5mg of it a day.  It did make a huge difference to my unpleasant wd/effexor symptoms.

Funny thing is, I had never eaten so much spinach in my life during the few weeks before the blood tests.  

Years on PPI (Omeprazole), and my age, probably means I am not absorbing the Folic Acid easily from the natural source? 

 

Anyway, juice is a great way of getting fruit and veg down your gullet if you happen to be fussy about eating them the old fashioned (but, clearly, natural) way.

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We have a slow rpm cold pressed juicer. I love the fact that the nutrients go directly to your bloodstream. I read that raw spinach and kale are not good for those with Hashimoto's or MTHFR. (Sorry, my withdrawal brain can't remember which one.)

Cooked/steamed is fine but not raw.

 

My hubby does everything for me now as I'm bedridden with fear. I don't want to ask him to make juices since it does require a lot of prepping and clean up. He was buying organic cold pressed juice from Buda Juice until we found out about my conditions.

 

I drank about half of a green juice that had ginger in it. Wow, I had juices containing ginger pre-withdrawal with no problem but I must really be sensitive. I felt so strange and could hardly keep my eyes open. The only other juices they have are high in carrots which would be too much sugar for me. So, unfortunately, I'm not drinking my daily juice as I once was and I really miss it.

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Maybe it's just that I'm too cheap to buy the juicer, but I like keeping the pulp in my juice.

 

So I'm a smoothie/blender girl.

 

Though - I do squeeze a lot of citrus when I make my barley water, and I want to start squeezing lemons and limes into my drinking water.

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juicing and blending by DR john Bergman.youtube

This man is amazing

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Waiting myself on a delivery of a top end juicer it's expensive but I believe flooding the body with nutrients is only beneficial.

 

I've done loads of research and the new models are much more improved.the one I've ordered is a tribest slow star juicer,it presses the juice out instead of blitzing it ,so less air oxidation and the pulp is bone dry

 

It's coming tomorrow so can't wait to get started .

 

I personally have dropped the takeaways and eating out all the time and over the top spending so the expsence will cancel out

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P.   Slow pressed juice is the way to go , if you can.  It retains nutrients and enzymes. I have the Hurom and love it. So easy to use and clean.  

 

There is a place for both and that's what I do  - juice vegetables and blend fruit / greens. I like Vitamix blender.

 

Bergman has some insight.  

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Jan. They both have their virtues. Don't close your mind. I have found both to be helpful in W/D .

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ye AliG  he's amazing he's energy and distain for modern medicine is brilliant .I'm finished ever going near modern medicine again and he has helped to reinforce that.

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