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just a precaution: none of this is professional medical advice, just my personal readings and experiences as a layperson:

 

feeling like things wont 'go down', being stuck in the back of the throat or itching/scratching burning usually, in my experience, indicate either neurological dysfunction (from withdrawal/dosing) that makes the esophagus unable to fluidly flex and relax to bring food and items down into your stomach---a surprisingly complex process requiring a lot of timed muscle cooperation, OR (and its basically an "and/or") gastritis/inflammation, spasm, reflux, or whatever else you want to call it---your esophagus is not closing properly at the bottom and acid is able to creep upwards, which often produces one or more symptoms like a tickle, burn, bad taste, cough, sore throat, lost voice, or feeling of being unable to get things down from swallowing, which is referred to, in part, as 'reflux' (at least, over here in the US).  acid overproduction, mucus underproduction (or abnormal thinning of the stomach or esophageal lining), and muscular dysfunction are all neurologically based processes that can be impacted by taking or withdrawing from psychotropic medications.  further, sometimes undersalivation can be a side effect of medications and create a new difficulty in swallowing or getting your esophagus to 'catch' and carry things down into your stomach.

 

alternatively, having involuntary swallowing, gagging, biting, etc is more of a tardive dyskinesia, from the 'extrapyramidal symptoms/side effects' branch of psychotropic issues.  (scratch the 'tardive' if its concurrent with taking the drug---it just means 'delayed onset'.)  this is much more specifically and commonly attributable to psychotropic usage, barring the presence of other adverse conditions.

 

i have had GERD (gastroesphageal reflux disorder) for like 15 years, and withdrawing from psychotropics has caused far worse dyskinesia than i ever experienced on them---many bouts, for years, of involuntary salivation, swallowing, vocalizations, mouth and tongue movements, etc.  definitely not fun, and one of the scarier side effects, overall, because its so obvious, difficult to explain to yourself without reassurance, and can make being around other people even more frightening or complicated than it may already have been.

 

 

since PPI (proton-pump inhibitors) and endoscopies were mentioned, i feel i should further clarify: the neurological effects on muscles of antidepressants (and other psychotropics) CANNOT be fixed through heartburn/reflux medicating.  PPI drugs seek to lesson the amount of acid you produce, which can cut down on inflammation and soreness, but do not, to my knowledge, help your esophagus function with normal and coherent rhythm.  only getting used to your psych med (which may or may not happen), changing to one that has different side effects for you, or removing the influence of the medication in question will help with that, i would figure.

 

fears about cancer are one of the primary complaints of many people who are subsequently diagnosed with GERD or situational gastritis (and no trouble with cancer).  not knowing just whats going on can be truly harrowing, but there are some symptoms that are much more liable to produce worry from a doctor in these situations (like the presence of blood in your excretions---stomach acid or digested matter, which can indicate ulcerations in your digestive tract or tumor trouble, among other things, or, even more importantly, a significant change in your mental status or weight in addition to the swallowing problems).

 

ive tried about 10 different PPIs and GERD medications, and have had two endoscopies (and a barium swallow/x-ray video session) in the past decade, and this, like the psych situation, is another place where doctors have no curative measures, or even any diagnostic success with me...they just throw meds at it and monitor for heartburn-induced cancer.

 

i hope the doctors can help you with decisiveness and expedience, its rough having those kinds of fears and struggles.  (also to note, though---if they thought there were obvious warning signs of cancer, i dont think theyd make you wait so long for those tests, unless the healthcare system is so backed up or poorly funded that they just leave people out in the cold---not a notion i can discount, in my own experiences here.  esophageal and stomach cancers are relatively quick to produce a grim diagnosis and do not end well for most people if they are not caught pretty early, which is not always a common thing since being symptomatic is often meaning you are past the beginning.  BUT, these thoughts are not to scare you, but rather encourage you that competent doctors would not put off these exams/procedures unless they thought youd be ok in the meanwhile.)

 

sorry if this is an information overload---things that make me wonder if im dying is a forte of mine, with respect to my medical experiences.

Not sure which problem I have. My throat keeps filling with super thick mucus. I keep getting throat infections and other respiratory ailments. My mom is worried about why I keep getting bad coughs all the time. I'll go on penicillin or some stronger antibiotic. Ten days later I'm better, but in a week or less I get another infection and hack my lungs out.

 

Does anyone have ideas? I can't stay on antibiotics for a year or more. What should I do?

 

My mom thinks I'm still meds compliant. She drinks the psychiatric kool-aide and believes Big Pharma ads about chemical imbalances though the APA has rejected this idea since the 90's. Makes the whole thing pretty awkward.

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just a precaution: none of this is professional medical advice, just my personal readings and experiences as a layperson:

 

feeling like things wont 'go down', being stuck in the back of the throat or itching/scratching burning usually, in my experience, indicate either neurological dysfunction (from withdrawal/dosing) that makes the esophagus unable to fluidly flex and relax to bring food and items down into your stomach---a surprisingly complex process requiring a lot of timed muscle cooperation, OR (and its basically an "and/or") gastritis/inflammation, spasm, reflux, or whatever else you want to call it---your esophagus is not closing properly at the bottom and acid is able to creep upwards, which often produces one or more symptoms like a tickle, burn, bad taste, cough, sore throat, lost voice, or feeling of being unable to get things down from swallowing, which is referred to, in part, as 'reflux' (at least, over here in the US).  acid overproduction, mucus underproduction (or abnormal thinning of the stomach or esophageal lining), and muscular dysfunction are all neurologically based processes that can be impacted by taking or withdrawing from psychotropic medications.  further, sometimes undersalivation can be a side effect of medications and create a new difficulty in swallowing or getting your esophagus to 'catch' and carry things down into your stomach.

 

alternatively, having involuntary swallowing, gagging, biting, etc is more of a tardive dyskinesia, from the 'extrapyramidal symptoms/side effects' branch of psychotropic issues.  (scratch the 'tardive' if its concurrent with taking the drug---it just means 'delayed onset'.)  this is much more specifically and commonly attributable to psychotropic usage, barring the presence of other adverse conditions.

 

i have had GERD (gastroesphageal reflux disorder) for like 15 years, and withdrawing from psychotropics has caused far worse dyskinesia than i ever experienced on them---many bouts, for years, of involuntary salivation, swallowing, vocalizations, mouth and tongue movements, etc.  definitely not fun, and one of the scarier side effects, overall, because its so obvious, difficult to explain to yourself without reassurance, and can make being around other people even more frightening or complicated than it may already have been.

 

 

since PPI (proton-pump inhibitors) and endoscopies were mentioned, i feel i should further clarify: the neurological effects on muscles of antidepressants (and other psychotropics) CANNOT be fixed through heartburn/reflux medicating.  PPI drugs seek to lesson the amount of acid you produce, which can cut down on inflammation and soreness, but do not, to my knowledge, help your esophagus function with normal and coherent rhythm.  only getting used to your psych med (which may or may not happen), changing to one that has different side effects for you, or removing the influence of the medication in question will help with that, i would figure.

 

fears about cancer are one of the primary complaints of many people who are subsequently diagnosed with GERD or situational gastritis (and no trouble with cancer).  not knowing just whats going on can be truly harrowing, but there are some symptoms that are much more liable to produce worry from a doctor in these situations (like the presence of blood in your excretions---stomach acid or digested matter, which can indicate ulcerations in your digestive tract or tumor trouble, among other things, or, even more importantly, a significant change in your mental status or weight in addition to the swallowing problems).

 

ive tried about 10 different PPIs and GERD medications, and have had two endoscopies (and a barium swallow/x-ray video session) in the past decade, and this, like the psych situation, is another place where doctors have no curative measures, or even any diagnostic success with me...they just throw meds at it and monitor for heartburn-induced cancer.

 

i hope the doctors can help you with decisiveness and expedience, its rough having those kinds of fears and struggles.  (also to note, though---if they thought there were obvious warning signs of cancer, i dont think theyd make you wait so long for those tests, unless the healthcare system is so backed up or poorly funded that they just leave people out in the cold---not a notion i can discount, in my own experiences here.  esophageal and stomach cancers are relatively quick to produce a grim diagnosis and do not end well for most people if they are not caught pretty early, which is not always a common thing since being symptomatic is often meaning you are past the beginning.  BUT, these thoughts are not to scare you, but rather encourage you that competent doctors would not put off these exams/procedures unless they thought youd be ok in the meanwhile.)

 

sorry if this is an information overload---things that make me wonder if im dying is a forte of mine, with respect to my medical experiences.

Not sure which problem I have. My throat keeps filling with super thick mucus. I keep getting throat infections and other respiratory ailments. My mom is worried about why I keep getting bad coughs all the time. I'll go on penicillin or some stronger antibiotic. Ten days later I'm better, but in a week or less I get another infection and hack my lungs out.

 

Does anyone have ideas? I can't stay on antibiotics for a year or more. What should I do?

 

My mom thinks I'm still meds compliant. She drinks the psychiatric kool-aide and believes Big Pharma ads about chemical imbalances though the APA has rejected this idea since the 90's. Makes the whole thing pretty awkward.

 

 

Its possible you have a yeast infection.

 

Believe me, Candida Albicans causes MANY ailments that won't go away unless treated from within and lower the immune system.

 

I've been coughing up mucus since last Oct/Nov and its down to Candida.

 

Hope you get to the root cause of the problem.

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Thanks for the advice, Junglechicken. I always thought you had to have oral sex to get a yeast infection up there. Apparently not!

 

I will look into that.

 

Not sure the HMO will help much. He imagines I'm "compliant" because I'm not "manic" or psychotic. Yet he assured me I must be bipolar 1 or 2 or I wouldn't have become psychotic 23 years ago on anafranil. Dummy has no idea I have gone off my "stabilizer" and neuroleptic and am still on effexor. According to his beliefs I should be very manic and hyper, not sleeping 9-10 hours out of 24. He also tried to pressure me to take metformin though I'm not diabetic.

 

What's happening? Are the Big Pharma mafias giving out ballpoint pens with the company logo inscribed in diamonds for hawking this drug that should only be used for diabetes that won't respond to other stuff? I'm afraid to talk to that ignorant bungler.

 

If I want a quack I'll visit a duck pond.

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Thanks for the advice, Junglechicken. I always thought you had to have oral sex to get a yeast infection up there. Apparently not!

 

I will look into that.

 

Not sure the HMO will help much. He imagines I'm "compliant" because I'm not "manic" or psychotic. Yet he assured me I must be bipolar 1 or 2 or I wouldn't have become psychotic 23 years ago on anafranil. Dummy has no idea I have gone off my "stabilizer" and neuroleptic and am still on effexor. According to his beliefs I should be very manic and hyper, not sleeping 9-10 hours out of 24. He also tried to pressure me to take metformin though I'm not diabetic.

 

What's happening? Are the Big Pharma mafias giving out ballpoint pens with the company logo inscribed in diamonds for hawking this drug that should only be used for diabetes that won't respond to other stuff? I'm afraid to talk to that ignorant bungler.

 

If I want a quack I'll visit a duck pond.

 

As I have been learning, Candida affects EVERY part of our body.....its a fungus after all.

 

I should have mentioned that I went to the doctor twice, and each time she did an ENT check - no temperature, no visible PND, ears fine, glands fine.

 

Now because I've had recurring thrush, skin rashes, fungal nails that won't heal and a whole host of other issues...........FINALLY the penny dropped, that I had a Candida overgrowth.

 

Last summer my diet fell off the wagon...I consumed far too much junk (due to a depressive episode), and that triggered recurring thrush (not in my mouth).  Then around Oct/Nov last year, I started coughing up a mucus.

 

Went to a Naturopathic Practitioner a couple of months ago who has me on a Detox diet (NO SUGAR, gluten etc.,), and next up is a stool test, then after that a 6 week Gut cleanse.

 

It takes a lot of commitment to get rid of the overgrowth.

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Woke up this morning to strange throat pain......kind of like spasms.

 

Now I've had this before, and wonder if its something I do in my sleep.

 

I've also had weird soreness in and around my mouth, and as I wear a mouth guard wonder if I bite certain areas of my mouth in my sleep.  This time its the opposite side to wear I've had pain before and its in the mouth guard area on the side/back of my tongue.

 

Saw my dentist in March - given all clear (he also checked for signs of mouth cancer etc., as I quit smoking 8 yrs ago and I'm 42 yrs old)

Have seen the hygienist twice in 6 months (this year) for 40min cleaning session each time.  She didn't raise any concerns

 

I think it could be similar to what Mort experienced (oesophageal).  

 

Baffled :(

 

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On 25 June 2017 at 1:05 PM, Junglechicken said:

Woke up this morning to strange throat pain......kind of like spasms.

 

Now I've had this before, and wonder if its something I do in my sleep.

 

I've also had weird soreness in and around my mouth, and as I wear a mouth guard wonder if I bite certain areas of my mouth in my sleep.  This time its the opposite side to wear I've had pain before and its in the mouth guard area on the side/back of my tongue.

 

Saw my dentist in March - given all clear (he also checked for signs of mouth cancer etc., as I quit smoking 8 yrs ago and I'm 42 yrs old)

Have seen the hygienist twice in 6 months (this year) for 40min cleaning session each time.  She didn't raise any concerns

 

I think it could be similar to what Mort experienced (oesophageal).  

 

Baffled :(

 

Have got nasty throat pain.....its acid reflux, and the doc re-prescribed Omazaprol.

 

What's scary about the acid reflux this time round, is that its a choking, throttling sensation.

 

Trying not to freak out here :0(

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On 3 February 2017 at 10:36 PM, Mort81 said:

Hey guys wondering if anyone can help. I've had for the last 2 weeks a tightening around the throat or esophagus. Its very bad. It feels like breathing is really restricted and throat is narrowed. But CT scan on throat showed no inflammation or narrowing. This symptom is out of blue and I'm confused if anyone can help id be really appreciated. Swallowing also feel tough.

 

I have a scope for my esophagus next week as I've had gerd before but usually this wouldn't affect breathing. Or it probably would have shown on CT scan.

Mort,

 

I have exactly these symptoms now, they started 3 days ago.  It feels more painful than when I had GERD last summer.....have been prescribed Omazaprol (20mg), one to be taken daily.

 

Am seeing if my Naturopath can come up with a non-medicated way to sooth the acid reflux, so that my throat has a chance to heal.

 

Trying not to freak out :0(

 

JC

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JC I just happened to check this thread because my throat thing came back ! It was gone for 3-4 months !

 

It's a terrible symptom ! I have a big restriction in my breathing.  Don't freak out ,I did the first time around as it's terrifying but I went to hospital 3 times and  nothing can be done . The throat spasms either from stress which for us is WD . No test can show this so just as u might suspect its another thing they will say is in our head.  But it can also spasm from too much acid ! The key is to know u can't choke and won't pass out!  Short breathes tell yourself your okay.  

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For me I'm already on 30mg of a PPI and I still get this ! Bottom line is WD can be so severe that it can stimulate acid no matter what.   Both instances this  happened after an extra bad wave . So extra bad wave , extra bad stress = more acid  . Same like the headaches in WD are too much for Tylenol or Advil.  Same thing here . But u can try a natural solution first. 

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I mean no test shows throat spasms but obviously endoscopy would show acid damage   ! But I had the endoscopy and it looked fine so basically the distress is the spasms which feel like a tight grip or tennis ball around throat  or can be in the esphogus a spasm 

 

http://laryngopedia.com/cricopharyngeal-spasm/

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Mort, thanks so much for your comments on this :)

 

The sensation is very odd and very painful, and yes, the tight grip around the throat is the worst feeling.  

 

I woke up one morning last weekend, and felt these painful spasms in my throat.....they have also occurred further down the oesophagus.

 

Maybe its an accumulation of stress, as the last time I had this was this time last year.......

 

Its take everything we have (mentally) to get through these bizarre painful experiences.

 

Will keep you guys posted and see what my GP says on Tuesday....whether she thinks its necessary to refer me for endoscopy or not.

 

TC,

JC

 

 

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If it helps others, this is what my Naturopath suggested:

 

"It's unlikely that the pain was caused by one meal (possible trigger, but then symptoms usually abate). Try giving your digestive system a rest by having liquid foods for a couple of days (soups, broths, smoothies). Keep digestive system alkaline by having apple cider vinegar (or lemon juice) in water each morning. You can also take ACV before each meal to promote digestion (failing that think about taking more of the digestive enzymes). A butyric acid supplement which may help (remember your GI tests suggested this was low.  Ensure liver detoxification with milk thistle.

Look at possible emotional cause. Ask the pain what it is trying to tell you. Is it happening now because you are feeling stronger and making plans to look for work? Is it trying to distract you? An attempt for you to go down another path of possible dis-ease? Make sure you meditate and journal. Be honest with yourself, try to 'go inside' and 'dig deep'."

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No problem JC ,

 

It is very hard I totally agree , it's nothing normal , ive never had anything like this , wd  is so severe for some that it can bring on some crazy responses in the body . The strangling sensation is bad . If the muscle fully spasms it down right terrifying!  It hasn't happened to me this time around thankfully!  This time around feels more acidic for me . My whole body is hot. 

 

But ya they go further down in the esphogus too . Very odd to get used to it . Spasms wise eating food actually helped open the throat . Then it would spasm more after.  But when it's more  acid wise  and less spasm I don't know how to eat. I've done what your NP suggests and had liquids for 3 days . She's right about a few things but be careful with ACV only because if the esphogus is already inflamed it can really aggravate it more. But if your esphogus is not inflamed then it can really help.

 

I have something called bitters which helps promote digestion.

 

I think our bodies/brains are working so hard on fixing that digestion is very difficult as it takes lots of energy . Both times this has occurred for me was after heightened waves . So more focus on surviving the wave and fight or flight thus the body doesn't work properly.  I guess how could the body digest food if u were trying to run and eat a meal at the same time ? Something like that I think . 

 

Let me know how it goes 

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HI,

 

Wanted to chime in as I have had choking issues even pre-medication, which got worse on meds and during wd.     At first I thought I had too much stomach acid and briefly went on an over the counter acid blocker suggested by a nautropath.  I felt terrible.   I did some research and realized that I didn't have excess stomach acid but in fact low stomach acid.  I started taking two Betaine HCL with every meal that had protein in it.  It made a big difference.  

 

I also realized how drying these medications are.  I wake up with thirsty and with a very dry mouth.   So I then started using a tooth paste for dry mouth and a spray for dry mouth.  These also have helped quite a bit.

 

My issue may be different from both of yours but wanted to pass on my experience. 

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Hi Mort and Hibari,

 

Well, the throat pain (spasms etc.,), seem to have calmed a bit this morning, so I'm hoping it will continue to get better.

 

I'm going to make a soup I think and see how that goes.

 

The rest of my digestive tract seems to be ok, i.e. the large intestine (stomach downwards) with things functioning as they should.  Its stomach upwards that's the problem.

 

Yup, this is all very strange to deal with, and there isn't exactly a blanket description for these issues other than "acid reflux"?!?

 

Will keep you guys posted either way.

 

Best,

JC x

 

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Theres Dyphagia which is a swallowing problem,  I think Extreme anxiety or being so tense all the time can definitely affect anything and swallowing is no exception . For some reason lately I'm noticing my breakfast I have no problem with food but meal #2 has been difficult.  My dizzyness always picks up around this time or whatever wave I'm in now .it's definitely very strong so doing anything let alone trying to eat food is hard . Today I just put my food down and stopped eating.  Left it on the table.  I choked about 10 yrs ago pretty bad so I do have a really bad anxiety about  doing this .  Choking and not being able to breathe are my biggest fears. I'd take severe akathisia over this believe it or not.  Hope you're doing okay JC 

 

Mort 

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Hey Mort, 

 

The throat spasms/pain went after a week, but this mysterious phlegm (which started up last year, as coincidentally did the acid reflux) which is why I am now able to connect it with acid reflux.

 

My GP confirmed acid reflux (the throat spasms and pain) by also advising to take the previously prescribed Omeprazole if the symptoms persisted.

 

For many of us with these issues, long-term damage to the oesophagus is a major concern given the risk of developing cancer.

 

Last Spring/Summer were the lowest points in my anxiety/depression......and when I was most ill.  So its not surprising that this wrecked my digestive system, hence triggering the acid reflux and dysbiosis in the gut.

 

My osteopath did some work on my upper body and chest area yesterday as I'm so tense there.  She said my shoulders were rock solid with tension!

 

JC

 

P.S I forgot to mention my growing concern over diminishing lung capacity due to acid reflux.  The peak flow test I did during my Annual Asthma Clinic this week revealed a 3% decrease in lung function since last year.  You have to blow into a flow meter 3 times, and the highest/best reading is recorded.

 

 

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If you take the PPI it will def help but we know it's not a longterm solution. H2 blockers aren't as bad as PPI so I'd try that first if you absolutely set on the PPI . I'm sure your naturopath had some suggestions ? DGL? Aloe Vera juice etc.. 

 

The phelm I've had aswell and like u it's always an extra bad time that brings it out.  Until we are done with wd those sensitive to reflux might still get it . 

 

I know I was hooked on PPI before wd and I had no acid reflux ever even with a crap diet and plenty of coffees ,  fast forward to wd and I get acid no matter how many pills I take i, or how well I eat  . Plus I want off this stuff so bad but it's so much more difficult in WD to get off it now.  Everytime I have a nightmare or increased wave my body fills with acid. 

 

The lungs foresure need a break  ! Yours should go back to regular strength I would think once this flare calms down ? I am even sleeping on the sofa so I'm elevated but I still wake up sometimes with throat and chest feeling hot 

 

Osteopaths and massage is good to loosen up,  I think in WD we are all tight like a vice . Doesn't help things at all 

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Hey Mort,

 

I've actually lost track when this wave started or even its a wave, probably because the symptoms have morphed into a different set of symptoms which don't seem AS bad (if you get my meaning), and I'm able to live with them.

 

The phlegm must have started up when I stopped taking the PPIs last summer as I've had it continuously since last year.  My GP did an ENT check twice, and didn't find anything, and she couldn't see any post-nasal drip either.

 

Then there are the lower abdominal issues.....recurring cystitis, UTIs which apparently women can get A LOT of when stressed out.

 

I'm also going through mid-life hormonal changes which don't help as there are a lot of symptoms associated with that, and these can't always be picked up by testing either.  All in all very frustrating.

 

You and I were both athletes which makes the whole reflux thing very upsetting really, as you need a big lung capacity to do sport.  I pray it'll come back.

 

JC

 

 

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It will come back I believe it !   Once your clear in the lungs it will come back no doubt . And yes its so frustrating,  I always thought woman can have this tougher because of the hormone issues . Women feel bad 1-2 weeks out of the month anyway  so add in WD and holy crap it can be tough.  

 

I know the morphing well and yes I totally get it being bad but not as bad !  But really wd is just one big constant wave morphing .  My big wave triggered all my throat and phlegm issues . So mine started February roughly after the wave Aug-Feb  . It's off and On . I really don't know what's causing it . It's all a part of what the drug did . I still can't get over the wide variety of problems we all seem to endure after this drug.  Keep me posted , hope it improves  soon for u 

 

Mort 

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I hope it improves for you too Mort...........will definitely keep you posted.

 

Am going to the Asthma clinic tomorrow to do the Spirometry test which is a more comprehensive test of lung capacity.

 

Since I'm not wheezing, then any lung issues must be being caused by GERD.  I don't have a cough either but sometimes when I speak my throat feels hoarse which I know is a symptom.

 

Watch this space........

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Okay thanks JC  ! Let me know how it goes  , the hoarse throat I got a lot when this started to happen.  The only thing that sucks is the PPI hasn't controlled my acid if you decide that route . The wd stresses etc.. I guess is more than the pill can handle . Very hard to figure this stuff out . Wd complicates things so much and makes it so hard to make a clear decision.  Good luck 

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Any updates JC ? How are u doing ? 

 

My throat thing has been rough the last two days . No breathing issues or acid,  it's just the throat mechanism is an awkward delayed swallow.  Back to liquids for now, which is a major bummer,  food Is huge for the mood m I hope it clears up soon again.  Also hope you've been okay 

 

Mort

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