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[margaretLO]

2 minutes ago, AmitV said:

cognitive impairment is part of pppd. Brain fog, memory issues, all part of it. It’s not exercises, it’s learning to relax your nervous system and symptoms go away. It’s not anxiety.

Oh I didn't have any idea for this! I ll search it! Thanks a lot

[AmitV]

9 minutes ago, margaretLO said:

Oh I didn't have any idea for this! I ll search it! Thanks a lot

 

 

[andy96gr]

Hello @margaretLOand  @AmitVhope you re doing well.Amit I am 10 months of from a CT and I'm having a lot of symptoms this period,maybe over 30 in a day which some of them ramain every day or some go and other appears every day.But for me most difficult part is cognitive impairment.I mean, I used to be very smart guy finished my university with top grades and very intelligent and productive while I was working (no I'm not able). Despite some horror migraines which come and go in different pleces over my head I se that my cognitive part is very low , I can't even solve puzzle games ,when I try to thing something complicated I just cant do it , immediately a pain in my head starts and doesn't allow me to do further is very starnge.

Is that possible to be an pppd or sth releated to this , I'm going insane . don't know if others have had this symptom but is very strange.Thia doesn't allow me to do anything,not even think some times.

Thank you if you took time and see this.

Wish you and all people suffering recover and get out from this hell.

[AmitV]

1 hour ago, andy96gr said:

Hello @margaretLOand  @AmitVhope you re doing well.Amit I am 10 months of from a CT and I'm having a lot of symptoms this period,maybe over 30 in a day which some of them ramain every day or some go and other appears every day.But for me most difficult part is cognitive impairment.I mean, I used to be very smart guy finished my university with top grades and very intelligent and productive while I was working (no I'm not able). Despite some horror migraines which come and go in different pleces over my head I se that my cognitive part is very low , I can't even solve puzzle games ,when I try to thing something complicated I just cant do it , immediately a pain in my head starts and doesn't allow me to do further is very starnge.

Is that possible to be an pppd or sth releated to this , I'm going insane . don't know if others have had this symptom but is very strange.Thia doesn't allow me to do anything,not even think some times.

Thank you if you took time and see this.

Wish you and all people suffering recover and get out from this hell.

PPPD, brain fog and cognitive impairment is a common symptom of pppd. PPPD is the equivalent of PTSD. It’s withdrawal trauma that causes excessive hypervigilance and fear that sends wrong signals in the brain. Symptoms are real! Brain fog and cognitive impairment are also symptoms of PTSD. Lookup a post from @Faust about full recovery from withdrawal and migraines. May be helpful on the migraine side of things. 

[Dee12h]

I am currently dealing with pppd from withdrawal as well. It is awful.

[AmitV]

1 minute ago, Dee12h said:

I am currently dealing with pppd from withdrawal as well. It is awful.

It’s sad how SSRI’s are prescribed for it. 
 

Believe me I’m tired, pppd, visual snow syndrome, tinnitus. 

[Dee12h]

I’ve tried very small increases in dose which makes it worse (especially the brain fog), but when I went down about a week ago now it’s worse too (mainly dizziness) & anxiety is much worse. I’ve been following steady coach for a few months, and she’s great, but do you think that stuff won’t help since ours has a different cause? I asked her about it on a live q&a, & she said she’s seen it be caused by ssri’s, but she thinks it shouldn’t last long & that if it does it’s turned into a neural circuit (mind-body) dizziness & is no longer bc of the meds.

[AmitV]

9 hours ago, Dee12h said:

I’ve tried very small increases in dose which makes it worse (especially the brain fog), but when I went down about a week ago now it’s worse too (mainly dizziness) & anxiety is much worse. I’ve been following steady coach for a few months, and she’s great, but do you think that stuff won’t help since ours has a different cause? I asked her about it on a live q&a, & she said she’s seen it be caused by ssri’s, but she thinks it shouldn’t last long & that if it does it’s turned into a neural circuit (mind-body) dizziness & is no longer bc of the meds.

I’m in the steady coach group too. For reference I took SSRI for 6 weeks that caused this. I’m 8 months off it. The issue is no different, for me taking the medication and withdrawal was an inciting event, for you withdrawal is an inciting event. This for us is just an inciting event. It’s all the excess traumatic burdens of life that we’ve piled up in the past is what keeps it going. The strategies for resolving from this are the same. If re-instating is causing more problems then quite possible your brain is seeing it as trauma, b) no one really knows what withdrawls are, brain could be overcompensating with excess serotonin receptor upregulation, re-instating just makes it worse by causing more mismatch. 
 

Not saying you should quit abruptly either, but it’s time to find alternate methods to address this. Which sucks because SSRI’s are a possible treatment for pppd. 

For me, addressing the past life stuff has been the most helpful, despite medication being the inciting event. 
 

You can recover from this. Withdrawal trauma will ultimately settle down, it’s all the other stuff going on in your life or gone on in the past is what keeps it going. 
 

now I’m not allowed to recommend anything on SA to anyone. But feverfew and a small dosage of cyproheptadine (for 3 weeks) helped bring my protracted withdrawal to an end. Both are serotonin blockers, cyproheptadine is used in the treatment of serotonin syndrome, drug induced pssd and drug induced akathasia.

[Dee12h]

Yes, but I’m wondering if my still being on the meds &/or constant tapering is keeping it going? You’ve been completely off for awhile, right? 
 

Her answer also made me wonder if a lot of protracted w/d has a mind-body cause. Just as real, but not really the meds anymore.

[AmitV]

1 hour ago, Dee12h said:

Yes, but I’m wondering if my still being on the meds &/or constant tapering is keeping it going? You’ve been completely off for awhile, right? 
 

Her answer also made me wonder if a lot of protracted w/d has a mind-body cause. Just as real, but not really the meds anymore.

 

Yes I've been off for about 8 months now. Crippling anxiety fell off after 3 months, bad depression then came, which then fell off after another 2-3 months. I regained my memory back, brain fog went dissociation took the longest, 7 months to go away. All of this emotional stuff I attribute to withdrawals, without a doubt.

 

All that's left is pppd, VSS and incessant fear. 

 

Yes, I didn't want to say it on SA, but you're correct protracted withdrawal itself is a mind-body disorder. After a certain point you can simply tell that withdrawals are done and all you're left with is a mind body disorder fired up by the trauma of the drug or withdrawals itself. 

 

Practically everyone in withdrawals speaks of somatic symptoms, anyone with the usual headaches and nausea never end up here. Is it strange that folks in the pppd group speak of disequilibrium and brain zaps, having never taken psychiatric meds.

 

The rest of all the somatic symptoms can be found here as symptoms of FND, which is often termed amongst folks who've experienced severe symptoms as kindled brain.

 

https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/brain-nerves-and-spinal-cord/functional-neurological-disorder/

 

I'm not saying I'm refuting the terms kindled brain or protracted withdrawals lasting a very long time and somehow trying to agree with GPs and psychs around the world. Trust me GPs are the worst of the lot. All I'm saying it's treatable using non medicinal techniques such as trauma therapy, hypnotherapy, befriending symptoms, somatic tracking and breathing exercises. 

 

I don't want to argue if it's kindled brain or drug triggered FND. But it's treatable. Naturally removing the source of trauma is generally advisable, which could be the medication. This is a difficult one to determine, because completely jumping off can make trauma worse (symptoms worse) but something to ponder with and see what fits best for you, how comfortable you are in your body in your present state and what state your were in on different dosages.

 

If you haven't already noticed, the desperation that comes with it and constant scanning of symptoms. It's not anxiety and symptoms are 100% real, but it's a traumatized brain firing up fear and hypervigilance and throwing out bad prediction errors in sensory and somatic processing. Completely solvable, people don't have to suffer in vain. 

 

ps omega 3 and magnesium are supplements commonly recommended in PTSD & FND. The fear and hypervigilance that keeps people bed ridden are similar to PTSD and not anxiety.

 

In saying the above there are occasions where B12 blood levels are fine but methylmonic acid levels and homocysteine levels are off the charts, which can cause FND symptoms, because B12 is not properly functioning. This shift can also be drug or withdrawal triggered. This is really hard to detect unless neurology or gp recognizes that they should check for MMA and homocysteine. In that case even though B12 levels are normal, B12 supplements can resolve the somatic symptoms. 

[Dee12h]

I’ve had so many of those same thoughts since finding the Steady Coach, and I’m about to start reading Unlearn your Pain (good for any mind-body condition, not just pain). I think lots of folks here could benefit from her suggestions. They at least don’t do any harm. (Though I haven’t improved a whole lot from it yet. 😒)

 

I should try b-12 again. Since hearing it can be stimulating, I have been wary of it. And yes, my blood levels were fine. I’m always on mag, and fish oil makes me depressed & irritable. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I researched the reason but don’t remember it now. I’m trying feverfew as well.