5-HTP (5-hydroxytryptophan) and l-tryptophan

[ChessieCat]

@Estman

 

Did you see Post #1 and read the links which are therein?

[Estman]

7 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

@Estman

 

Did you see Post #1 and read the links which are therein?

Looks like it
Suitable for some people, not for others?
Could I try a low dose?

[Estman]

8 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

@Estman

 

Did you see Post #1 and read the links which are therein?

Are SAM and 5-HTP (5-hydroxytryptophan) the same thing?

[Altostrata]

Please read this topic from the beginning. You can always Google if you have general questions about SAM-e and 5-HTP.

[Estman]

On 12/18/2011 at 8:24 PM, Altostrata said:

Agree with alex. I would try fish oil and vitamin B12 sublinguals before anything that messes with serotonin. Also, get a pet or a hobby.

Is Vitamin B12  good ?
  and help reduce fatigue?
If it is not contraindicated then how much could it take?

[Iman]

Hello all

 

Does anyone happen to know anything about ROSE GRANIUM ESSENTIAL OIL for alleviating withdrawal symtoms specifically anxiety, depression and insomnia? I heard from a few of my friends going through AD withdrawal that it does wonders. I'd be infinitely grateful for any input.

[ChessieCat]

@Iman

Here is the relevant topic:

 

aromatherapy-and-essential-oils

 

[Iman]

@ChessieCat

Thanks a billion dear. It was pretty helpful. 👍

[Altostrata]

@Estman and @Iman, please use site search or Google search to answer your questions before posting a question here for response from the staff.

[Iman]

@Altostrata sure. Thanks for the heads-up. Still, ChessCat's input was of tremendous help for me as I found nothing upon searching the website for my question.

[vfx150]

Hello,

Anyone using L-tryptophan while tapering Venlafaxine XL?  Currently, I am taking them around 8 hours apart. As I decrease XL, I gradually increase tryptophan.

 

Thanks,

[Bego82]

On 8/6/2016 at 5:11 AM, VitaminB said:

This article changed me:

 

http://www.optimallivingdynamics.com/blog/7-important-nutrients-depleted-by-psychiatric-drugs-antidepressants-antipsychotics-stimulants-benzodiazepines-induced-guide-vitamins-medications

 

I have been taking B-complexes for a long time, but on my "spectra cell tests" (google it and get one done) by B2 levels went down into a borderline deficiency. I got some "Mega B-stress" by solaray, but only taking 1 out of the 3 per serving because I am was also on Klaire Lab's "vitaspectrum" vitamins (with methylated folate and b-12) and I thought I shouldn't over do it in the B-complex department. I have been on methylated folate and b-12 for a while now. 

 

Because of that optimal living dynamics article I got a special b-2 called "riboflavin-5-phosphate" and I have been taking 1 capsule at 10mg of it a day (Douglas laboratories.) I feel SO GOOD. It is my third or fourth day and I am ALIVE. I thought the problem couldn't be a simple b2 problem, but part of it definitely IS! 

 

I am going to move onto Pure Capsulation's Brand "B-complex Plus" after 2 weeks... it has everything I have talked about in this post in one. 

 

Please read that article. I have been looking through his citations for the article, and I think he is getting this super valuable information from a book that, it is rumored, big pharma sold the rights too....

 

Drug-Induced Nutrient Depletion Handbook Paperback – March, 2001

 

I looked at the internet links and they were about some interesting stuff, but I am on seroquel and I want to know where he got the info that seroquel is to blame for these deficiencies. 

Thank you for the recommendation, it’s really helpful. How are you? I hope that you’ve recovered already x

[Bego82]

On 10/10/2018 at 6:45 PM, Ninfia said:

I have been taking l-tryptophan all throughout my withdrawal, not everyday but only on nights where I absolutely can't sleep, it is sometimes the only thing that will get me to sleep. I do notice that when I take it I get electrical sounds in my head, sounds like my brain is short circuiting but I do get to sleep and feel a little better the next day. I actually really don't like taking it because it's probably prolonging my withdrawal but with a small child with autism I am so desperate to get some sleep on those horrible insomnia nights.

Hi @Ninfia how are you feeling? I agree that LTryptophan really helps, I take 5HTP which is quite similar. I hope that you recovered and that you and your son are well x

[curiousnootropics]

Anyone tried L-tryptophan? I'm 16 months off still in hell.

[Bego82]

Hello @curiousnootropics

I’ve been taking aminoacids since the early stages of my withdrawal process and they do help with mood. LTryptophan is not damaging in any way, it actually builds up serotonin on your brain. You can take any dose but the ideal is between 500 to 1500 mg 3 times a day. I noticed it’s effects since the very first dose which was amazing; but it’s less intense on the second, third dose… but it’s definitely worth it!
 

I’m currently taking 5HTP instead of LTryptophan as it’s stronger, but it can cause anxiety so I recommend starting with LTtyptophan.

You should take it on an empty stomach because aminoacids compete with the aminoacids in food (in protein), so minimum half an hour before a meal, or two hours after a meal. It kicks in in only 10-15 minutes.

I found all this information in a book called “the mood cure” by Julia Ross, an American nutritionist specialised in mood disorders.

I hope this helps!

[curiousnootropics]

On 3/22/2022 at 12:45 AM, Bego82 said:

Hello @curiousnootropics

I’ve been taking aminoacids since the early stages of my withdrawal process and they do help with mood. LTryptophan is not damaging in any way, it actually builds up serotonin on your brain. You can take any dose but the ideal is between 500 to 1500 mg 3 times a day. I noticed it’s effects since the very first dose which was amazing; but it’s less intense on the second, third dose… but it’s definitely worth it!
 

I’m currently taking 5HTP instead of LTryptophan as it’s stronger, but it can cause anxiety so I recommend starting with LTtyptophan.

You should take it on an empty stomach because aminoacids compete with the aminoacids in food (in protein), so minimum half an hour before a meal, or two hours after a meal. It kicks in in only 10-15 minutes.

I found all this information in a book called “the mood cure” by Julia Ross, an American nutritionist specialised in mood disorders.

I hope this helps!

I had a bad experience with 5-htp, would it be the same with L-tryptophan as well? Thanks for sharing. How are you doing?

[Bego82]

32 minutes ago, curiousnootropics said:

On 3/21/2022 at 11:45 PM, Bego82 said:

I had a bad experience with 5-htp, would it be the same with L-tryptophan as well? Thanks for sharing. How are you doing?

No, LTryptophan is meant to be much lighter, that’s why I started with it. It doesn’t have side effects such as agitation and so. Just start with a small dose like 500 mg and go up from there.

 

I’m currently with COVID, which even with the high fever is nothing compared to what we’re dealing with 🤣 Thanks for asking.

 

I hope you’re feeling a bit better. 

[curiousnootropics]

1 hour ago, Bego82 said:

No, LTryptophan is meant to be much lighter, that’s why I started with it. It doesn’t have side effects such as agitation and so. Just start with a small dose like 500 mg and go up from there.

 

I’m currently with COVID, which even with the high fever is nothing compared to what we’re dealing with 🤣 Thanks for asking.

 

I hope you’re feeling a bit better. 

Thanks. How fast did you feel results from Tryptophan? What dose do you take?

Feel better soon!

[Bego82]

@curiousnootropics I saw the results in 10, 15 minutes. Amino-acids kick in very quickly.
I started with 500 mg every four hours (4 times a day). Then increased the morning dose (when I feel at my worst) to 1000 mg and I ended up taking 1000 mg 4 times a day.

 

I eventually switched to 5HTP because higher doses of LTryptophan gave me more migraines, as I suffer from them.

 

Thanks, you too.

[dangerous7]

Any guidance on how to taper 5-HTP ~100mg if taken for a long time?  The one I have is a powder in a capsule. Is it water-soluble?

[brassmonkey]

5-HTP is a serotonergic agent that acts very much like an SSRI. It therefore needs to be tapered carefully and slowly. Because of its very short half-life it must be dosed several times a day and the reduction needs to be made across the board, i.e. reducing each dose the same amount.

 

It is not water soluble but can be made into a suspension. Working directly with the powder would probably be the easiest way to reduce.

[getofflex]

I was on 5-HTP for many years before beginning my taper, because I read a book about how to cure depression naturally.  I tapered off of it about a year and 9 months ago, when I was still on a low dose of the Lexapro, and had been doing a slow, careful taper for over a year.  I weaned off 5-HTP at the rate of 25% per week. I just emptied a fourth of a capsule, then the next week emptied 1/2, and so on.  I had no trouble at all weaning off.  In fact, my Lexapro taper became easier after I got off of the 5-HTP.    

 

We just don't need drugs or supplements to tweak our brains or their neurotransmitters, in my opinion.  

[Bego82]

21 hours ago, getofflex said:

I was on 5-HTP for many years before beginning my taper, because I read a book about how to cure depression naturally.  I tapered off of it about a year and 9 months ago, when I was still on a low dose of the Lexapro, and had been doing a slow, careful taper for over a year.  I weaned off 5-HTP at the rate of 25% per week. I just emptied a fourth of a capsule, then the next week emptied 1/2, and so on.  I had no trouble at all weaning off.  In fact, my Lexapro taper became easier after I got off of the 5-HTP.    

 

We just don't need drugs or supplements to tweak our brains or their neurotransmitters, in my opinion.  

Thank you, this information is invaluable for my peace of mind as I’ve personally been taking 5HTP since my own withdrawal began. I was desperately seeking for help online after four months of hell, and found a (very expensive) practitioner from “The Mood Cure” that put me on aminoacids to help with my symptoms, and was really concerned about experiencing withdrawal from this as well since it’s been longer than a year on them.

I find very interesting that your Lexapro taper became easier after getting off of the 5-HTP. I wonder if it will be the same with the Mirtrazapine for me, as I’m planning to getting off it soon as well. Maybe I should stop the aminos before the Mirtrazapine and not the other way around 🤔 

 

I agree, we don’t need them at all, but we’re misled into taking them by our “trusted doctors” and such! You’re very lucky that your withdrawal journey is over, congratulations.

[greyinmotion]

I have recently gone on L-Tryptophan. Started off at 500mg per tablet. When I increased to 1500mg (500mg x 3), I noticed mild brain zaps. This is interesting to me as I almost never have brain zaps anymore, except for when I have fever. Thus it can be concluded that the tablets does do something. But that has not really translated to any observable beneficial changes. Not sure about any negative effects either as I have been in a wave and can't really attribute any of it to Tryptophan.

 

Though brain zaps does make me a little concerned as I associate it with the earlier stages of withdrawal.