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Painkillers in withdrawal: Aspirin, ibuprofen, paracetamol, acetaminophen, naproxen, codeine

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Iamfine

By the way I split a tooth because of bruxism, a side effect of either the Geodon or the Seroquel, not sure which one. Thanks a lot, medicine.

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oskcajga

That stuff is really addictive.  I'd be careful, it will make all of your problems disappear.  ALL of them.

 

I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think that at higher doses it will begin to influence seritonin and norepinephrine, which is not good during withdrawal.  Once a week or so should be fine.

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brassmonkey

I've been using a mouth guard at night for years, I really helps keep the clinching/grinding under control.  I got mine at the local sporting goods store, the cheapest one they make for footballers.  They are real easy to fit.  I chewed up the first one in a matter of weeks, but then things settled down and the next one lasted several years.

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westcoast

If there a risk of developing a habit you can take the remainder to pharmacy I think. Osk were you thinking it can make someone manic? Because some people to react to it like it's an intense up, and others get mean and angry. But most get pain relief and feel sleepy.

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Iamfine

I took a few and tossed the rest. For the record it caused no harm, but wow, those things make you feel goooood! I can see why they are so addictive.

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oskcajga

I took a few and tossed the rest. For the record it caused no harm, but wow, those things make you feel goooood! I can see why they are so addictive.

They sure do.  I loved the painkillers, but eventually stopped when I needed to up my dose 4X to get the same effect.  That's ultimately the problem with painkillers, you just build tolerance so quickly, that it gets out of control within a month.

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Iamfine

It's too bad that they can't make an ad that will make you feel like that full time. I would be first in line.

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downtongirl

Did a search and did not see anything titled like this so forgive me if I am creating a thread that already exists.  I was just wondering what are peoples thoughts on tylenol use during taper/withdrawal?  The tylenol would be used for osteoarthritis and sciatica?  Thanks in advance!

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Jlynn

Recently have been going through a big wave. The first one since my slow taper started. I guess it is only natural that I have been racking my brain trying to figure out what I did differently to maybe have caused this crash I am going through.

 

One of the things I just remembered this morning is a couple days before all of this started for about three days in a row I took two Alleve (naproxen) when I woke up to help with pain from a twisted knee. I didn't see anything in the forms ( I may have not searched right) about how people do on Alleve during WD and if I should stay away from it and use something else?

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btdt

I could not tolerate alleve in early wd either it was bad enough I have not touched it since... I am tylenol #3 have been for some time now and I think it makes me stupid..more stupid.  I can't be sure of course it may be the way things are as I have had these bouts of lack of intelligence throughout wd without any T3 in the picture. It gets worse when I increase the dose I don't think it helps as much as I would like with pain and dose increases has likely made the side effects for me worse given my not happy liver. 

 

I know when I don't take it I do feel better in a different way more pain but better inside myself. 

peace

 

ps at one point in wd I took the lowest dose not but not kids dose advil every morning for brain fog and later learned it lowers cortisol for those really miserable mornings I had a long run of them I would go out every morning so I could be alone had a car then it was my escape... no car now no escape. 

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Prozac20

Has anyone tried Tylenol PM or Motrin PM to help them sleep?

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Buffy

I take ibruprofen and paracetamol occassionally. It gives some relief, more than it did in the past, but still no cure.

 

Codiene knocks me out now. Even half an over the counter dose. I do have it but am hesitant to use it.

 

Many things are different now. I am concerned over every tablet and what it might do. Gavasvon and mylanta make me spew too. I've known for years that vitamin pills do not agree with me, so I wont even take them!

 

I get to a very distressed point before I will take anything to help pain.

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rafatennis

I had a question about adding a pain reliever over the counter Aleve for a knee issue. I'm currently tapering Nortriptylene, I' dropped from 7mg to 4mg 5 1/2 weeks ago and am still trying to adjust with the usual overactive CNS I was advised and agree that might drop was too much , I also take 1.5 mg clonazepam at night. I looked online and did not see an interaction from Aleve with the other two meds but considering my sensitive state right now I wanted to reach out for advice, thanks

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Reflex

Hi

I have a question about taking pain killers. I had a hip replacement 2.9.16 and was prescribed codeine and paracetamol to take . This was very necessary for the first week but then became very worried about the possibility of withdrawal and the impact on the small dose of Prozac I was taking. It certainly made me very tearful and emotional.

 

I reduced the Codiene over a week and took my last dose a week ago.

 

I have only take paracetamol occasionally this week as well.

 

So in total only took codeine for about two weeks at maximum dose 4 times per day.

 

This week I have noticed some effects which could be similar to withdrawal- shivers, feeling sick and upset stomach and dizzy, loss of appetite.

 

They are no way as bad as when I came of off citalpram.

 

Do you think this is the effect of the codeine leaving my body?

 

Did I need to taper from the codeine as well after only three weeks?

 

I have stuck with the Prozac religiously and do not intend starting to taper again until I am fully well again probably not until the new year.

 

Any experience or advice would be welcome.

Thanks

Reflex

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Help777

Please advise...i have an upper scope scheduled on friday for the burning ive had in my abdomen. Strict diet changes have lessened the pain but have not gotten rid of it. I am really scared about having a paradoxical reaction to the fentanyl thye are going to give me to sedate me, since my nervous system is so sensitized right now from the wd. I stopped effexor in may but am still on 1mg prozac. Also taking 200 mg lithium. Any thoughts, advice on something else i can ask the doctor about that would be safer?

Thank you.

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JanCarol

More information on acetominophen / paracetamol:

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Drug-induced liver damage (hepatotoxicity) results not from paracetamol itself, but from one of its metabolitesN-acetyl-p-benzoquinoneimine (NAPQI).[4]NAPQI decreases the liver's natural antioxidant glutathione and directly damages cells in the liver, leading to liver failure.[4]

 

They are talking about toxicity - but - use of paracetamol strips the liver of glutathione, one of those master amino acids that is so important to the endocrine and liver.

 

It is my understanding that many SSRI's, neuroleptics, anti-seizure drugs also strip the liver of glutathione.  I heard this from naturopaths, but it seems that the metabolism of paracetamol / acetominophen does rob the body of some native glutathione - an amino which is stripped from us by so many things in our lives.

If you OD on paracetamol (it is the #2 cause of OD in Australia), they infuse you with glutathione at the hospital.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/glutathione-the-mother-of_b_530494.html

 

This could explain why so many suffer side effects from taking paracetamol in withdrawal (maybe especially if your particular drug metabolises/d in the liver?).

 

It also gives me pause, every time I take one.  I have to choose - healing?  or pain relief?  Because it seems that the latter mediates the former.  

 

The same is true of anti-inflammatories (NSAIDs, aspirin) but by a different mechanism.  Inflammation is often a response to induce healing.  You bang your finger, it swells up in order to heal.  You can take an NSAID and the inflammation goes down - but then the healing response is slower.

 

The trade-off point is personal, I suppose. 

 

ALSO - if you are on any form of lithium, NSAIDs and aspirin potentiate lithium, increasing the risk of toxicity.

 

There are alternatives: turmeric.  ginger (fresh root, steeped in tea),  willow bark tea.  pycnogenel (also a light blood thinner), resveratrol (mostly for blood thinning, less for pain).  bromelain.  fish oil.  if it's structural pain - glucosamine / chondroitin / MSM.  Ice.  Heat.  Magnesium baths (my favourite).  

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Miranda99

This is a really interesting thread to read. I'm presently taking 8 cocodamol daily, and have found that I've had to increase from 4 tablets to 8 tablets per day as I've reduced my paxil as I think it's helping with my side effects. It's interesting how the pharmacist says the stronger drug pushes the other drug out of your system. I'm currently only on 3 mg of paxil so the cocodamol may well be the stronger drug. Years ago when I was about 15 I experimented with recreational drugs of acid and speed. I found when taken together the acid was very mild, but when taken separately the acid was strong so there may be something in this! 

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crhawk

Hi all... Long time no "see". 

 

Taper of diazepam continues. Down to 4mg total daily. (Can't figure out how to change my sig on mobile)... 

 

I have a dilemma. I have endometriosis and have terribly painful periods, especially every other month (left side is the worst). I have other pain issues as well, but can deal. These periods literally feel like the equivalent of horrible labor pains. It's gotten worse over the last few months to the point where I'm immobile for four days, laying around crying (sometimes yelling). 

 

I have a heating pad almost constantly, have tried warm baths with Epson salts, exercising, etc. Also take fish oil regularly. 

 

Wondering about your opinions on OTC pain killers... Which seem to be the ones that are the least likely to react with those of us with sensitive nervous systems? 

 

Back in the beginning of my journey, after my haldol and subsequent ssri reaction, I had recurring very negative events/waves after taking cold medication (had Tylenol in it, but also decongestants), a pain killer I was prescribed for my back pain (oxycodone which has acetaminophen), and also possibly ibuprofen. Have never tried aleve or aspirin since this began. 

 

Now, could've just been coincidental. Could've also been the other agents in the medications. However, I haven't taken any chances and have refrained from taking any medication of any kind in two years now (including all OTC).  Although I did have an endoscopy and colonoscopy and did fine with those drugs. 

 

Options are limited... I could continue living with labor pains every month for four days, take birth control pills again (more nervous about this with the hormones, however I know from past experience, before this nightmare began, that it helps),  or try an OTC. 

 

Your thoughts? I've held out this long, but when the pain is so unbearable I wonder if I should try... Or is trying not worth it? So far I've decided it's not worth it. It's just SO BAD... and I can't miss work and I have kids to take care of... 

 

Thanks to all... 

 

 

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brassmonkey

I have had no problems taking aspirin along with my paxil and since I reached "0".  I would stay away from Naproxen, we have had a number of people report problems with it. 

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merry

crhawk,

 

So sorry you have menstrual agonies on top of WD agonies!  I, too, had labor-like periods, although mine only lasted one day a month.   A few years ago I saw a "crunchy" gynocologist, who used to be a home-birth midwife, and she gave me some vitamins, which amazingly cleared everything up!  It's not perfect, but I am functional.  I forget the name of the actual vitamins, but later I started eating very large quantities of organic, leafy greens--think a bunch or a head a day--and I was able to drop the vitamins.

 

If you have access to "alternative gynocology", they might be able to help with something besides birth control to help your pain.  While I do not have endometriosis, leafy greens probably can't hurt you--I say this in full awareness of how messed-up and sensitive our WD bodies are.

 

There are also yoga routines--google "Yoga for menstrual cramps."  These might not help the worst of the pain, but probably couldn't hurt, either.

 

Wishing you relief!

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crhawk

Thank you both so much! That is tremendously helpful. :)

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