☼ Junglechicken

[Junglechicken]

Andy,

 

Thank you, and I have to mull over what you have said.

 

Its likely I have OD'd on the anti-fungals resulting in a major "die off".

 

Not helped by the fact I'm cycling 22k on a Wednesday (therapy).

 

Will have to rest, rest and rest again, and of course apply the anti-fungal.

 

Your words are those of wisdom, so I have to take heed.  Unfortunately, my character can get me into trouble 

 

Best,

JC

 

 

[joy2730]

Likewise my character is my undoing with this withdrawal business - slow is so not me.

 

There is an old phrase - everything in moderation' but I find it so frustrating.

 

Joy

[apace41]

2 minutes ago, Junglechicken said:

Will have to rest, rest and rest again, and of course apply the anti-fungal.

 

These are true words.  The problem is they your systems  (nervous and otherwise) have been overstimulated from years of med use and withdrawal from med use.  What you need is a lot of rest, GENTLE exercise, time to yourself, etc.  While getting in great shape would seem to be "always good", my strong belief at this point is that exercising to the point of exhausting the system is counterproductive in withdrawal.  I think the same can be true of "too many supplements" and "too much natural medicine" or medicine of any kind.  If I were you, I'd finish off what I had on the calendar and then dial it way back.

 

Just my thoughts.

 

Andy

[Junglechicken]

Thank you Joy for chipping in, yes, it's VERY frustrating.

 

As Andy says, a "healthy" person could go through a detox without compromising their immune system.

 

However, we all have a "handicap" - WD.

 

Off to eat some "humble pie".

[joy2730]

Well you perhaps don't have to change everything too much - just less aggressvely.

 

I once stayed in the sauna too long when reducing and made myself very physically ill - the leisure centre wanted to get medical help for me.

 

I go to spinning and have just had a random.thought - does cycling a lot affect your cystitis and urethra - spinning doesn'the affect me but some ladies will not go because of that.

 

You really don't have to answer that.

 

Joy

[Junglechicken]

9 minutes ago, joy2730 said:

Well you perhaps don't have to change everything too much - just less aggressvely.

 

I once stayed in the sauna too long when reducing and made myself very physically ill - the leisure centre wanted to get medical help for me.

 

I go to spinning and have just had a random.thought - does cycling a lot affect your cystitis and urethra - spinning doesn'the affect me but some ladies will not go because of that.

 

You really don't have to answer that.

 

Joy

 

I get that the sauna would make you feel unwell.....too much heat and dehydration.  It's an "extreme" environment when we're not in homeostasis.

 

Yes, cycling has affected my urethra in the past and caused cystitis.  Luckily, I'm only cycling once a week!

 

Going to chant "less aggressive, less aggressive" until it sinks in Joy!

[Dalalea]

6 hours ago, Junglechicken said:

 

If you want to voluntarily get lots of symptoms, do a detox/cleanse!

I'm glad they figured it out! I almost always end up with lots of symptoms when I detox. It makes me want to avoid it even though I know it's important.

 

[Skeeter]

JC,

I am not happy I was correct, but I am so pleased that you got a medication, and a reason for getting thrush (my biggest worry about this, actually) .  Thanks for being the intelligent woman you are and getting a diagnosis. I had not though about the pharmacist!  This is my concern about ND's, they are really great with diet knowledge, but can miss other things they are not trained as much on, perhaps.

 

My worries echo what Andy/apace said, a healthy person (in this case speaking of a person NOT in WD) can have issues with detoxes and cleanses, multiple supplements, and even intense exercise, but our CNS (and apparently sometimes our immune system) just cannot handle the same things that we could handle much more easily when not in WD.  I am pleased you are considering dialing it down.  You may feel better as a result, I certainly hope so!

 

I left you a PM, a congrats about something I saw... I edited it today, though.

 

Be well!

Skeeter

[Junglechicken]

I applied for a job 2 months ago (completely forgot about it!).

 

The company rang me up (out of the blue) just now, and I have an interview on the 9th.

 

Looks like the Hiring Manager is creating a job for me!

 

PLEASE GOD this oral thrush has gone by then.

[Frogie]

Just now, Junglechicken said:

I applied for a job 2 months ago (completely forgot about it!).

 

The company rang me up (out of the blue) just now, and I have an interview on the 9th.

 

Looks like the Hiring Manager is creating a job for me!

 

PLEASE GOD this oral thrush has gone by then.

Good luck JC!

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Junglechicken]

Thank you Frogie, I'm more concerned about the oral thrush being around than the interview 

[Frogie]

1 minute ago, Junglechicken said:

Thank you Frogie, I'm more concerned about the oral thrush being around than the interview 

I will hope it's gone by then.

 

Frogie xx

[Scorpio]

Hi jc

how exciting, good luck, I’m sure the thrush will be gone by then.  If not cleared up soon maybe a visit to the dreaded doctor for something stronger. 

[Junglechicken]

10 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

Hi jc

how exciting, good luck, I’m sure the thrush will be gone by then.  If not cleared up soon maybe a visit to the dreaded doctor for something stronger. 

 

Thank you Scorpio,

 

I'm also going to buy some tea tree oil which can be diluted....hopefully that might kill it??

 

Ughh! 

 

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We we are away this weekend, and I have been really busy....apologies to those of you I haven't replied to yet.

 

I hope to come back to the forum with a renewed sense of something or other?!

[Scorpio]

Hi jc

have a lovely weekend away will do you both good, and that the tea tree oil helps. 

[brassmonkey]

Oil of Oregano. I haven't used it applied directly to the mouth, but it can be taken orally and works very well when applied to the skin. Hopefully it doesn't taste too nasty. Just buy the gel caps, pop them with a pin and apply.

[Flowers]

Hi JC

 

Have a good weekend away. 

 

I think we are so  desperate to get well in WD that we are more open to trying anything that we think will help. 

 

Good news re the job too!

 

Love from Flowers xxx

 

 

 

[Junglechicken]

So, had a relaxing weekend tootling around the Isle of Wight in a VW Campervan called "Dougal".

 

Ate lots of wonderful fish (with salad only) - yum 😃

 

Total weight loss 4kg / 9Ibs, which gets me out of the "obese" category and into "over-weight".

 

I'm now into Week 3 of my anti-candida diet.....its a long haul, it really is.

 

Had to buy oregano oil capsules and special mouth wash while we were there, and have a doctor appointment on Wednesday to get my tongue/mouth checked out.  If its just coating because of the detox/cleanse, then great.  If it IS oral thrush (as the pharmacist suggested), then the doctor might suggest something stronger, nystatin?  Just hope its nothing sinister.

 

Apparently, detoxes/cleanses CAN lower immunity so its not necessarily WD related, although I'm sure WD doesn't help.

 

Got another busy week ahead, and apologies for not replying to some of you last week - I ran out of time.  Will catch up with you over this week.

 

Hope you're all well.

 

JC xx

 

 

[joy2730]

Great about the weight loss - sounds like a good weekend with husband

[Junglechicken]

4 minutes ago, joy2730 said:

Great about the weight loss - sounds like a good weekend with husband

 

Thanks Joy, we really needed the break.

 

He was depressed again this morning before heading to work 😥

[joy2730]

That suggests it is work depressing him - which is unfortunately quite common on life 

[Junglechicken]

1 minute ago, joy2730 said:

That suggests it is work depressing him - which is unfortunately quite common on life 

 

I know Joy, but he has difficulty finding enjoyment out of anything much and has felt that way most of his life.

[joy2730]

Has he ever taken antidepressants 

[Junglechicken]

2 minutes ago, joy2730 said:

Has he ever taken antidepressants 

 

No, never, and its not something I would ever encourage for obvious reasons.

[joy2730]

Some people swear by antidepressants to relieve that lack.of pleasure.  I think they have helped me in that respect.  From an academic point of view only JC why do you not like antidepressants - the reasons are not always obvious to me i am afraid.  I will be very interested to hear what you have to say 

[Junglechicken]

Well, as supported by my p-doc at the time (now retired), he recognised that I am very sensitive to them, and couldn't get off them without horrendous WD symptoms.

 

My p-doc said, that I wasn't "suited" to them, and that I would have been better off exercising by way of a natural AD.

 

They didn't help me in any way, and I experienced awful side effects (profuse sweating, weight gain, weird dreams, etc).

 

I don't believe that throwing chemicals at someone's brain because they have been through major emotional trauma, resulting in clinical depression, is the answer to getting them well.  

 

 

[joy2730]

I agree entirely and have had the same adverse effects as you.   I started my psychiatric career on tricyclics and they were even worse but I do think at times they may have helped.

 

I think people who struggle to tolerate ADs are the same people who suffer the worst withdrawal symptoms but I may be wrong.  Out of all the antidepressants citalopram is the only one I have been able to tolerate.  Yet my own daughter had no problems with going on and then off an antidepressant.

 

Joy

[Junglechicken]

9 minutes ago, joy2730 said:

I agree entirely and have had the same adverse effects as you.   I started my psychiatric career on tricyclics and they were even worse but I do think at times they may have helped.

 

I think people who struggle to tolerate ADs are the same people who suffer the worst withdrawal symptoms but I may be wrong.  Out of all the antidepressants citalopram is the only one I have been able to tolerate.  Yet my own daughter had no problems with going on and then off an antidepressant.

 

Joy

 

You see, knowing that I am "sensitive" (physically, emotionally etc..,) and knowing that my husband is a "highly sensitive" person (emotionally); I fear that he would be badly affected by side effects and then WD symptoms latterly.

 

Its taken me 4 yrs to get off them Joy. 

 

I think if I "encouraged" him to go on them, and he had similar issues, he would never forgive me; and I would never forgive myself.  He would have to live in even more depressing circumstances with the added hell of AD WD.

 

There may be a small percentage of people on this planet whose brain chemistry just doesn't react to the chemicals being thrown at them.  Your daughter is one of the "lucky ones".

 

Then as you say there are those of us gathered together on the SA forum who have been adversely affected by these chemicals.

 

From a GP standpoint, they may as well be playing Russian roulette with someone's brain.

[joy2730]

You have done so well to get off - I have spent 4 years getting from 30 mg to 19 mg but mainly because I have not felt able to stick with severe symptoms due to my work and also because I have tried to go too fast.

It is good to know someone who has got off - do you feel dramatically different

Joy

[Junglechicken]

Have completely backed off the anti-fungals, ND has advised to slow the anti-candida diet right down on account of my struggling immune system.

 

Going to try and help my immune system cope better with zinc/Vit C, juicing, soups whilst remaining on the anti-candida diet.

 

My mouth feels awful........as though its dried up and no amount of drinking water will quench the thirst (no its not diabetes).

 

The same sensation happened last Wednesday.

[joy2730]

You really don't have to answer this but I too struggle with my weight which i think is because of the citalopram.  I may need to attend job interviews in the future and wish to loose some weight for that reason.  I don't think overweight people are treated fairly in the work placev- do you have any thoughts on this?

[Junglechicken]

1 minute ago, joy2730 said:

You have done so well to get off - I have spent 4 years getting from 30 mg to 19 mg but mainly because I have not felt able to stick with severe symptoms due to my work and also because I have tried to go too fast.

It is good to know someone who has got off - do you feel dramatically different

Joy

 

The thing is, I don't know if I have done well Joy.

 

Right now, I have what a pharmacist told me last week is oral thrush, immune system issues, and since getting back from the weekend, my gut has been playing up.

 

I am trying to heal my gut and get rid of the candida (in small intestine), and lose weight.

 

The benchmark I have is when I compare my previous WD symptoms back in Nov 2015 to where I am now.  I'm not experiencing ANY of those symptoms e.g. sub-clinical migraine, dizziness, whole body muscle weakness, terror etc.,

 

BUT I still have physical issues, and am unable to bounce around and walk away from this as though nothing happened.

 

 

[Junglechicken]

Just now, joy2730 said:

You really don't have to answer this but I too struggle with my weight which i think is because of the citalopram.  I may need to attend job interviews in the future and wish to loose some weight for that reason.  I don't think overweight people are treated fairly in the work placev- do you have any thoughts on this?

 

I think its industry dependant Joy (how image conscious the industry is).

 

There is also the possibility that that person's self-esteem would impact more how they are treated more than their actual physical size.

 

 

[joy2730]

When I got myself off diazepam within a week of 0 mg I felt so much better and knew I had done the right thing.  I felt completely healed.  It seems different with SSRIs.

[Junglechicken]

Its possible that SSRI's affect more of the body's "systems", and so we can't just walk away from it.

 

I don't know much about benzo's and so can't comment.

[Junglechicken]

Just dawned on me, could the dry mouth sensation I am experiencing be WD symptom??

 

Its really scary.