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I hear you.  I will hold and then some.  On the good side, I am yawning like crazy right now.  I hope that bodes well for tonight, lol.

 

Thanks, Frogie. All the best.

PAST

Gabapentin:  about 6 months in 2015, 300-900 mg, cold turkeyed Sept 2015 (at same time dc'd Klonopin)

Klonopin: June 2014- Sept 2015; 1mg tapered over 6 mths, dc'd at 0.25mg, withdrawal hellish (perhaps because of concurrent dc of gabapentin)

Mirtazepine: Jumped off at 2.4 mg. (stable in 8 months).

Seroquel:  June 14 - July 24, 2016, 25 mg alternate nights; smaller doses for shorter periods. Total use about 3 months 

Lamictal: March 19, 2018 - 1 mg; March 23 - 1.25 mg; April 6 - 2mg. Discontinued at 2 mgJuly 1, 2018 due to Steven Johnson Syndrome.

 

CURRENT

Supplements: Vit D, turmeric

Naturethroid: 65 mcg for hypothyroidism

Trazodone: Oct 2015 - June 2016; 75 mg tapered over 2 mths, intense w/d after 3 weeks. Reinstatement: 07/25/16 - 25 mg; updosed 08/03/16 - 50 mg;  10/01/16-  62mg; 03/24/17 dropped to 50 mg (stable in 2.5 months)

                           Current psych meds: Trazodone 50 mg

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13 hours ago, Survivor1 said:

I hear you.  I will hold and then some.  On the good side, I am yawning like crazy right now.  I hope that bodes well for tonight, lol.

 

Thanks, Frogie. All the best.

I hope you got some sleep.

 

I have been nauseous every morning, since we cut my Synthroid into 1/4's. I was just trying to wait it out. I didn't take the new dose this morning, I took the 1/4 and I'm really nauseous.

 

Think it's time to call the dr.

 

I hope you are doing well.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Sleep is ...meh.  Yes I think it's time for the doctor.  Hope you find a solution, Frogie.  Best

PAST

Gabapentin:  about 6 months in 2015, 300-900 mg, cold turkeyed Sept 2015 (at same time dc'd Klonopin)

Klonopin: June 2014- Sept 2015; 1mg tapered over 6 mths, dc'd at 0.25mg, withdrawal hellish (perhaps because of concurrent dc of gabapentin)

Mirtazepine: Jumped off at 2.4 mg. (stable in 8 months).

Seroquel:  June 14 - July 24, 2016, 25 mg alternate nights; smaller doses for shorter periods. Total use about 3 months 

Lamictal: March 19, 2018 - 1 mg; March 23 - 1.25 mg; April 6 - 2mg. Discontinued at 2 mgJuly 1, 2018 due to Steven Johnson Syndrome.

 

CURRENT

Supplements: Vit D, turmeric

Naturethroid: 65 mcg for hypothyroidism

Trazodone: Oct 2015 - June 2016; 75 mg tapered over 2 mths, intense w/d after 3 weeks. Reinstatement: 07/25/16 - 25 mg; updosed 08/03/16 - 50 mg;  10/01/16-  62mg; 03/24/17 dropped to 50 mg (stable in 2.5 months)

                           Current psych meds: Trazodone 50 mg

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41 minutes ago, Survivor1 said:

Sleep is ...meh.  Yes I think it's time for the doctor.  Hope you find a solution, Frogie.  Best

I hope the sleep is getting better.

 

Went to the dr yesterday. He took me off the Synthroid and said he wanted to monitor me for 6 months. I told him I was tired of not finding something to work for me. He said he would keep trying everything until we come up with something.

 

I am really nauseaous and tired this morning. But I guess it will go away.

 

Thanks for all your help.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Sorry haven't been on lately. Just feel like crap trying to figure out this thyroid thing. I've been on 3 different thyroid meds and got really sick on all 3 after about 4-5 days. Off of this one now.

 

My TSH is 7.03. Dr is going to watch it. It's now called subclinical hypothyroidism. All my other numbers are within normal limits.

 

I'm at my wits end!

 

Hope everyone is doing well.

 

Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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If it is subclinical does that mean it doesn't need treating Frogie?

 

How are things with your fiancee?

 

Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine

Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem

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12 minutes ago, joy2730 said:

If it is subclinical does that mean it doesn't need treating Frogie?

 

How are things with your fiancee?

It just means the dr is watching my numbers and we will go from there. I'm just tired of all of this. Everyone I know just takes a pill and goes on with life. But not me, every pill I try just makes me sick. The dr said he will try everything until something works. 

 

My fiancé is stressed from work, but being nicer to me. 

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Hi Frogie

 

So sorry you are having problems with the thyroid meds. Very disheartening and frustrating when meds make you feel worse. At least you are in good hands with your Dr who seems to be a big help to you.  Hopefully he will find something that won't give you side effects.

 

Love from Flowers xxx

 

 

15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM.  MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct  temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT.  JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month.  28.5 mgs 
FEB  Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs .  JUNE 24 mgs .  JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to  22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed.  13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize  1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at  50 mgs at night.  Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and  Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. 

XANAX  Jan 27  - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover.   Feb 14 2019  Updosed Xanax by .0625  Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily.  Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. 

Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM  20mg  taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE  .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm.  XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night.  LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight.  SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm.   7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm.  2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19  .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg  x 2. 23.1.20  .23 mg x 2.  20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20  .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2.  18.6.20 .11mg  x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2.  2.12.20 .06 mg x 2.  8.1.21 .05 mg x 2.  4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2.  7.4.21  .02 mg x 2.  9.5.21 .01 mg x 2.  21.6.21 .01 mg x 1.  11.8.21 ZERO!

 

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24 minutes ago, Flowers said:

 

Hi Frogie

 

So sorry you are having problems with the thyroid meds. Very disheartening and frustrating when meds make you feel worse. At least you are in good hands with your Dr who seems to be a big help to you.  Hopefully he will find something that won't give you side effects.

 

Love from Flowers xxx

 

 

Hi Flowers:

 

He is trying. He told me that he's never seen anyone be sick from the 3 he has prescribed to me, so he is just going to monitor me for 6 months and go from there.

 

Hope you are doing well.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Hi Frogie

 

Think WD can make us very sensitive to other meds. I get side effects from things I used to take pre WD with no problems!

 

I am fine but getting a bit stressed as my hospital appointment with the Urologist has come around after all these weeks of waiting and it is on Friday! Gulp!!

 

Take care Frogie and hugs for Brownie.

 

Flowers xxx

15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM.  MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct  temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT.  JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month.  28.5 mgs 
FEB  Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs .  JUNE 24 mgs .  JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to  22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed.  13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize  1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at  50 mgs at night.  Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and  Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. 

XANAX  Jan 27  - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover.   Feb 14 2019  Updosed Xanax by .0625  Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily.  Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. 

Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM  20mg  taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE  .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm.  XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night.  LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight.  SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm.   7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm.  2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19  .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg  x 2. 23.1.20  .23 mg x 2.  20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20  .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2.  18.6.20 .11mg  x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2.  2.12.20 .06 mg x 2.  8.1.21 .05 mg x 2.  4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2.  7.4.21  .02 mg x 2.  9.5.21 .01 mg x 2.  21.6.21 .01 mg x 1.  11.8.21 ZERO!

 

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3 hours ago, Flowers said:

Hi Frogie

 

Think WD can make us very sensitive to other meds. I get side effects from things I used to take pre WD with no problems!

 

I am fine but getting a bit stressed as my hospital appointment with the Urologist has come around after all these weeks of waiting and it is on Friday! Gulp!!

 

Take care Frogie and hugs for Brownie.

 

Flowers xxx

Hi Flowers:

 

I think you are right. I used to be able to take  just about anything (except penicillin very allergic) and it didn't bother me. Now everything does.

 

I am just happy my dr is willing to just do blood work and keep an eye on it. I hope I can keep it under control or I don't know what I will do. But my dr said he will make sure that he figures it out and I'll be fine. He will figure something out.

 

I wish you tons of luck at your appt. You will have to let me know how it goes.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Hi Frogie and Flowers

 

Glad you are both getting help and have good care it seems.

 

We have 15 inches of snow on our farm today Frogie, you would love it!  Only way out today is with the 4wd so I am going to lie in bed and Netflix until lunch when my husband can take me to the bank etc.

 

As you both know I work in care and just this last week, in a difficult case, I have been told that as we age we are more likely to start having side effects and adverse reactions to medication.  This starts at about age 65 and steadily gets more likely with each year.  It doesn't mean that you can't be treated it is just that it takes more effort to find something that both works and suits your body, which is hard work for both the doctor and the patient and the families/spouses involved.  This is because frailty is medically deemed to start at age 65, especially is someone doesn't exercise!  It is of course only how the medical world sees it and the rest of us see it differently, but I thought it was interesting.

 

Take care both of you.

 

Joy

 

Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine

Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem

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6 hours ago, joy2730 said:

Hi Frogie and Flowers

 

Glad you are both getting help and have good care it seems.

 

We have 15 inches of snow on our farm today Frogie, you would love it!  Only way out today is with the 4wd so I am going to lie in bed and Netflix until lunch when my husband can take me to the bank etc.

 

As you both know I work in care and just this last week, in a difficult case, I have been told that as we age we are more likely to start having side effects and adverse reactions to medication.  This starts at about age 65 and steadily gets more likely with each year.  It doesn't mean that you can't be treated it is just that it takes more effort to find something that both works and suits your body, which is hard work for both the doctor and the patient and the families/spouses involved.  This is because frailty is medically deemed to start at age 65, especially is someone doesn't exercise!  It is of course only how the medical world sees it and the rest of us see it differently, but I thought it was interesting.

 

Take care both of you.

 

Joy

Hi Joy:

 

I wish we had 15 inches of snow. It's winter but Mr. Winter doesn't want to cooperate. It's going to be in the 60's today. Lucky you!

 

My dr is doing the best he can. He doesn't understand why I'm getting sick on these meds except it could be the fillers and WD'ing from Lexapro. So it's just watch and wait. I hope I can get it resolved. I'm not 65 yet lol...

 

Stay warm.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Hi Frogie and Joy

 

I love snow as I know Frogie does too but I hate being out in the cold! Just not used to it anymore.  Hope you get more snow soon Frogie!

 

I will post after Friday with the outcome.  I am 65 in May but don't feel it and keep fairly fit as I do manual work. I will bear in mind what you say Joy - it is easy to put everything down to WD and not take into consideration other reasons. 

 

Keep warm you guys!

 

Love from Flowers xxx

15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM.  MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct  temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT.  JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month.  28.5 mgs 
FEB  Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs .  JUNE 24 mgs .  JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to  22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed.  13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize  1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at  50 mgs at night.  Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and  Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. 

XANAX  Jan 27  - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover.   Feb 14 2019  Updosed Xanax by .0625  Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily.  Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. 

Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM  20mg  taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE  .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm.  XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night.  LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight.  SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm.   7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm.  2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19  .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg  x 2. 23.1.20  .23 mg x 2.  20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20  .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2.  18.6.20 .11mg  x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2.  2.12.20 .06 mg x 2.  8.1.21 .05 mg x 2.  4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2.  7.4.21  .02 mg x 2.  9.5.21 .01 mg x 2.  21.6.21 .01 mg x 1.  11.8.21 ZERO!

 

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 Hi Flowers and Frogie 

 

I shared the information about age as it was new to me and it may help to explain why this site says it may be harder to withdraw when older.

 

It is good to be aware of the medical thinking behind these issues.

 

I haven't done enough exercise recently - just no time - but am going to start doing more again soon.  Apparently it really helps everything - you are doing just the right thing Flowers.

 

Let's us know how you get on and take care.

 

Joy

 

Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine

Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem

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9 hours ago, Flowers said:

Hi Frogie and Joy

 

I love snow as I know Frogie does too but I hate being out in the cold! Just not used to it anymore.  Hope you get more snow soon Frogie!

 

I will post after Friday with the outcome.  I am 65 in May but don't feel it and keep fairly fit as I do manual work. I will bear in mind what you say Joy - it is easy to put everything down to WD and not take into consideration other reasons. 

 

Keep warm you guys!

 

Love from Flowers xxx

Hi Flowers and Joy:

 

Sorry I haven't been on, this ugly thyroid med is awful. I'll be glad when it's out of my system.

 

Flowers, I hope you have good news at the dr. Please let me know.

 

Joy, send the snow to me. Now they are saying in the high 60's to low 70's! It's still winter. If I felt better, I would go for a walk, but I'm just sooooo tired.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Hi Frogie,

 

Thanks for dropping by my thread. I'm doing ok with the hip recovery.  I have a feeling I will be off the cane completely in another two weeks, perhaps even a little sooner if I am lucky.

 

I'm sorry this thyroid medication is causing you problems. I hope it is clearing out of your system quickly.  It sounds downright horrible.

 

Please give Brownie a hug for me.  From the first moment you described her she sounded just as cute as can be. I'm so glad she is feeling good these days.

 

I know you have been waiting for snow. I'm hoping it comes soon for you.  It's already March 1st.  Where is it?

 

xo

RS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am not a health professional in any way.  I do not give medical advice.   Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a professional medical practitioner.

 

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Hey F. Just checking in ~  thyroid meds ~ they can be very destabilizing. I found that I was far better off without them. See how you go ~ each to their own, but just be extremely careful.

I made the mistake of thinking that - because they were "natural" ( the ones I was taking) that it was ok. I'm still on the fence about this ~ I don't necessarily believe "natural" is always "naturally best".

 

Just call me skeptical ? Sorry.

 

My theory is that the meds mess with the whole system ~ and it takes a while to reconfigure. Eventually, the thyroid will adjust and start functioning normally given the right conditions. Try not to stress, as that probably does much more harm than the actual TSH levels. 

 

Try and concentrate less on pills and more on

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms.

~ Ali

Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014

 

                                                  Psych Drug - free since May 2014
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5 hours ago, RachelSusan said:

Hi Frogie,

 

Thanks for dropping by my thread. I'm doing ok with the hip recovery.  I have a feeling I will be off the cane completely in another two weeks, perhaps even a little sooner if I am lucky.

 

I'm sorry this thyroid medication is causing you problems. I hope it is clearing out of your system quickly.  It sounds downright horrible.

 

Please give Brownie a hug for me.  From the first moment you described her she sounded just as cute as can be. I'm so glad she is feeling good these days.

 

I know you have been waiting for snow. I'm hoping it comes soon for you.  It's already March 1st.  Where is it?

 

xo

RS

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi RS:

 

I'm so glad you are doing so well. That's fantastic! You'll be running a marathon in no time lol...

 

This thyroid medication is horrible. I hope it gets out of my system soon. Then we are just going to watch my TSH level and see how it goes. This is the 3rd one I've tried. I do not think my body likes it.

 

I tried to upload a picture of Brownie, but it said the file was too large. I don't know how to make them smaller. But she is my precious baby.

 

I emailed the vet the other day to give her an update and she was very pleased. She said it sounded like she was doing good for her age.

 

I hope you get off of the cane soon. :)

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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3 hours ago, AliG said:

Hey F. Just checking in ~  thyroid meds ~ they can be very destabilizing. I found that I was far better off without them. See how you go ~ each to their own, but just be extremely careful.

I made the mistake of thinking that - because they were "natural" ( the ones I was taking) that it was ok. I'm still on the fence about this ~ I don't necessarily believe "natural" is always "naturally best".

 

Just call me skeptical ? Sorry.

 

My theory is that the meds mess with the whole system ~ and it takes a while to reconfigure. Eventually, the thyroid will adjust and start functioning normally given the right conditions. Try not to stress, as that probably does much more harm than the actual TSH levels. 

 

Try and concentrate less on pills and more on

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms.

~ Ali

Hi Ali!

 

This is the 3rd thyroid medication I've tried. They just don't agree with me. My TSH is 7.03 but all my other numbers are fine. The dr said it could be subclinical hypothyroidism? We are going to watch my TSH and see how it goes.

 

So it can actually go back to normal? The dr said it couldn't without medication. 

 

I'm at my wits end! I try not to stress, but it's hard not to when this is going on and then my blood pressure has been really low.

 

I'll read what you gave me in a little while. 

 

Thanks for for checking on me.

 

How are you doing?

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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I'm good. It gets better each day ~ there are still some "not so great" days but after a while, you know it's all just transient and also upwardly mobile. As in ~ an upward trajectory ...

 

You just have to have faith and keep hanging in there ...

 

30 minutes ago, Frogie said:

The dr said it couldn't without medication. 

Have you heard this before? It sounds very familiar. I believe it can ...

 

I would not stress ~ just go on as normal ~ these figures mean so very little particularly in withdrawal. We are all over the place ... but eventually it settles ...

Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014

 

                                                  Psych Drug - free since May 2014
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I'm good. It gets better each day ~ there are still some "not so great" days but after a while, you know it's all just transient and also upwardly mobile. As in ~ an upward trajectory ...

 

You just have to have faith and keep hanging in there ...

 

Have you heard this before? It sounds very familiar. I believe it can ...

 

I would not stress ~ just go on as normal ~ these figures mean so very little particularly in withdrawal. We are all over the place ... but eventually it settles ...

I know what you mean about some days aren't so great. But I just trudge on. I have faith that someday it will be ok.

 

I had no idea my TSH could do this in WD. That is great news.

 

It's really hard not to stress when you sit here by yourself day after day. It's a h**l hole where I live but hopefully by the end of the year we can go home.

 

Thanks Ali, you and Andy always seem to calm me down.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Sorry if I haven't talked to you, I have been really down in the dumps this week. And just haven't wanted to talk.

 

I've just had a lot of thoughts going through my head. Not good ones. I can't stop thinking about my son I haven't talked to in years. I don't know why, he's just in my brain.

 

I invited my oldest son, daughter in law and of course my granddaughter for Easter. My daughter in law said she didn't know if they had the money for gas. But they have all been in bowling tournaments having a great time. If they can bowl they can come here. I haven't spent a holiday with them since Christmas 2016. I have no control over that. But once again, I can't stop thinking about it.

 

I want so bad to move and go home, but that's not happening for quite a while. We have to fix the other bathroom, some siding on the outside and re-coat the roof.

 

My fiancé says he has to lose weight before he will even look for a job. So we started a diet. But what does he do? Snacks! And not good snacks like I bought him. Candy, chips, pure cra*! So we had it out. I told him he better get it together or he was going to pay for packers and movers to move me home. I told him I'll go live with his mom and dad. She said I could lol... So... We ordered a month of Nutisystem. We shall see. Then with the salads and carrots I bought him it should give him a good start. He said he would do it. If he loses weight the 1st month, we will order another month, and they give you recepies to cook too.

 

I was stupid last night and ate 5 cookies with frosting on them and then went to bed. I woke up sicker than sick. But no more cookies in the house. And I'm not buying anymore.

 

No snow. It was 75 yesterday! Not winter, summer! I don't think we are even going to have a spring. That's when we get really wet snow.

 

Just way too many bad bad thoughts going through my head and I don't know how to correct it 😡😡😡 And I mean they are really bad...

 

Talk later.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

 

 

 

 

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Oh Frogie,

 

It does sound tough.  One thing that I have learned in my 12 stepping group and will probably get reinforced when I get to Alanon  and work on daily is:  I can only control myself really, both internally(most especially internally for me) and externally.......for example what comes out of my mouth as far as verbage and other actions.  I found myself inventorying on a couple occasions my dear brother and his wife during their stay and then even gossiping about each of them with the other.  Great going mmt........I thought to myself.  It wasn't too, too bad and thankfully they are family as well as friends who........well, you know........Love me in spite of myself sometimes.  I am no relationship expert but do know that I am learning,  as well as growing in this regard.......regarding my own relationships that I hold near and dear.

 

And it is now day 4 since your decrease in Lexapro.   It could be tougher right now on that account......the thoughts and especially obsessional thoughts.  It sure helped me a ton to just attribute some of my wonkiness to recent changes in medications.  And you finished your Z pack right around the time you decreased as well.  Did you clear up from the infection nicely? 

 

And oh.......memories.  I don't know what it is about memories and W/D.  I had the weirdest memory thing going for awhile while on my last medication which was Trileptal/oxcarbazapine. 

 

Would you consider doing a bit of  a timed journal entry around symptoms and medications throughout the day.  I'll copy the format for you below.  It might really help us to help you better.  Include the Xanax doses of course and any other medications taken.  I hope you are not offended by my asking for such again.   And then share what you have when you have a couple of days going.

 

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Keep notes on paper about your drug dosages and daily symptom pattern

 

A symptom pattern that occurs regularly over several days could mean the symptoms are from withdrawal, other adverse effects of drugs, or something else you do on a daily schedule.

 

In the course of discussion in your Introductions forum topic, you may be asked to keep notes on paper of your daily symptom pattern, including when you take your drugs, their dosages, and any symptoms.

 

What we need to see for every individual day over several days is:

- Time and dosage for drugs taken in morning
- Time and description of any symptoms in the morning
 
- Time and dosage for drugs taken in afternoon
- Time and description of any symptoms in the afternoon
 
- Time and dosage for drugs taken in evening
- Time and description of any symptoms in the evening
 
- Time and dosage for drugs taken in middle of the night
- Time and description of any symptoms in the middle of the night (such as waking)
 
And so forth. A diary, in chronological order, such as:
 
6 a.m. Woke and vomited
8 a.m. Took 2.5mg Lexapro
10 a.m. Had diarrhea
10:30 a.m. Ate breakfast
11:35 a.m. Got a headache, lasted one hour
12:35 p.m. Ate lunch
4 p.m. Stomachache
5 p.m. Took 2.5mg Lexapro
6 p.m. Ate dinner
9:20 p.m. Headache
10:00 p.m. Took 50mg Seroquel
10:20 p.m. Headache got worse
10:30 p.m. Fell asleep
2:30 a.m. Woke, took 3mg Ambien (NOT "took 1/2 tablet Ambien")
2:45 a.m. Fell asleep
4:30 a.m. Woke with headache

 

An appointments diary is perfect for this and can be bought at stationery stores. 

They have a page for each day with times for appointments which can be filled in with doses, symptoms etc as shown by Alto.

 

Any Epsom salt baths yet?  And take it easy.  Rest a bit more if needed.  Watch t.v. or read.  Head on out for just an exploratory drive around.  Just a short one.  Something to get dressed for.  Talk to a few strangers.......I mean just a hello or something.  Do you ever do Qigong, yoga, or even some gentle stretches with a video on your screen?  

 

Hang in there.  It always gets better...... Oh yah.  Try and be certain that whatever you do with diet/nutritional intake that you keep up your blood sugar......instead of allowing it too fluctuate too much.  This can really help with mood, obsessional thoughts, etc.  Lot's of protein.  Complex carbs.  Maybe small frequent feeds.

 

Love, peace, healing/inrecovery, and growth,

mmt

 

Oh and celebrate!  You are way below 10 mg. of Lexapro now baby!  Yes you are!

 

 

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Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16 medication free!!

Longer signature post here, with current supplements.

Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  And.....I quit smoking 11/2021. Lapsed.  Redo of quit smoking 9/28/2022.  Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜

None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider.  My success story:  Blue skies ahead, clear sailing

 

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Hi MMT:

 

Memories are the worst. I was so close to my youngest son he was like my shadow. Then some things happened and people turned him against me. They have money to pay him to stay away from me and big mouths to tell lies and brainwash him against me. I hope someday he wakes up, but that is his choice not mine.

 

Not too much longer and I can say goodbye to Lexapro. I'm closer to that than where I was a year ago.

 

I just need to learn to let things go. I have a really hard time doing that.

 

I healed fine from my infection. Just these horrible thoughts I've been having are really bothering me. I hope that will end. The nausea was my fault this time, no more cookies for me. Especially in the middle of the night when I can't sleep. 

 

I'm doing ok on my taper. I feel pretty good except I don't want to leave the house. I just want to sit in my chair and do nothing.

 

I can try to write down my meds, what time and side effects like you wrote. 

 

I havent ent tried a magnesium bath yet. I need to do that. And the sugar thing. I'm really working on that. I'm eating more protein and a little more often. 

 

Thanks for the pep talk. It helped.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

 

 

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PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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5 hours ago, Frogie said:

Sorry if I haven't talked to you, I have been really down in the dumps this week. And just haven't wanted to talk.

 

I've just had a lot of thoughts going through my head. Not good ones. I can't stop thinking about my son I haven't talked to in years. I don't know why, he's just in my brain.

 

I invited my oldest son, daughter in law and of course my granddaughter for Easter. My daughter in law said she didn't know if they had the money for gas. But they have all been in bowling tournaments having a great time. If they can bowl they can come here. I haven't spent a holiday with them since Christmas 2016. I have no control over that. But once again, I can't stop thinking about it.

 

I want so bad to move and go home, but that's not happening for quite a while. We have to fix the other bathroom, some siding on the outside and re-coat the roof.

 

My fiancé says he has to lose weight before he will even look for a job. So we started a diet. But what does he do? Snacks! And not good snacks like I bought him. Candy, chips, pure cra*! So we had it out. I told him he better get it together or he was going to pay for packers and movers to move me home. I told him I'll go live with his mom and dad. She said I could lol... So... We ordered a month of Nutisystem. We shall see. Then with the salads and carrots I bought him it should give him a good start. He said he would do it. If he loses weight the 1st month, we will order another month, and they give you recepies to cook too.

 

I was stupid last night and ate 5 cookies with frosting on them and then went to bed. I woke up sicker than sick. But no more cookies in the house. And I'm not buying anymore.

 

No snow. It was 75 yesterday! Not winter, summer! I don't think we are even going to have a spring. That's when we get really wet snow.

 

Just way too many bad bad thoughts going through my head and I don't know how to correct it 😡😡😡 And I mean they are really bad...

 

Talk later.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

 

 

 

 

Sorry you were down in the dumps Frogie. But it sounds like you’re making great progress. I’m pretty out there in outer space most of the time. I’m sorry you’re having bad thoughts. That is the worst. Having a bad relationship with your son must be difficult. 

 

2001 Remeron , Celexa, prozac a week on lithium. 

2014 went off effexor and trazadone in 3 weeks. 

2014 zoloft (hyper reaction) put on effexor 75 mg. Was stable until 2017 

2017  Trazadone 50 mg (June) Effexor to 113 mg (2 weeks) Effexor 150 mg for a month . Took 75 mg until November. . Lithium 10 days, Lamactil 10 day  aug-nov15 ativan

October : Prozac bridge to get off 75 mg of effexor Used 10 mg of prozac. Stopped prozac 3 wk 

Dec 6, 7 Upped trazadone from 50 to 100 mg Did it for 3 days Stopped it

Dec 7 , Dec 8 Took prozac again 0.1 , 0.1, 0.6 stopped it

Dec 11 and Dec 12 upped it to 100 again

Dec 15 , 16,17 went back to 50 mg of trazadone

December 18 Began 3 beads of effexor  Dec 25 began 5 beads of effexor take 10 mg of omneprazole daily

 

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I have a stationary bike. It has no handles or fancy things to read calories ect... But it makes you sit up straight and just ride. I don't like it. So it sits and stares at me.

 

My fiancé just bought one of these fancy recubrant (spelling?) bike. It has all the bells and whistles on it. And a seat with a back.

 

I got on it. I had no idea how to do the settings, but figured out how to set a time and intensity level. I set it for 15 minutes on level 4 and started peddling. I watched tv and the time went fast. I only went 11.1 mph (turtle slow), got my heart rate up to 135, and burned 24 calories (not much). 

 

But I did it. And I'm proud of myself for doing something other than sitting in my chair.

 

Maybe I'll try it again tomorrow, who knows? And maybe it will sit next to mine and stare at me. 

 

At at least I tried.

 

I still have the bad thoughts running through my head and nothing has changed, and I'm crying a lot more. I sit in my chair and cry for no reason, most days. And sometimes all day.  I think it's all WD, which S***S BIG TIME!

 

I wonder the lower you get in dosage of Lexapro, the more emotions and bad thoughts come out? Does anyone know or have these horrible thoughts?

 

I still don't want to do anything. I have absolutely no motivation. Can't go for a walk, even if I wanted to, the wind is blowing 50+ mph and chilly. Sounds like the roof is going to blow off the house. But then back into the 60's-70's, I guess it went from fall to summer. No winter or spring. 

 

I hope someone, anyone would read this and write me back. I think I just need interaction.

 

Frogie xx

 

 

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Hi Frogie,

 

Just checking in with you.  Sorry you are not in a good space right now.  Aside from WD, we all have past issues that tug at us.  Try to do something enjoyable to take your mind off the negative thoughts.  

 

How is the nausea from the levo?  I hope you are better in that regard.

 

Best.

PAST

Gabapentin:  about 6 months in 2015, 300-900 mg, cold turkeyed Sept 2015 (at same time dc'd Klonopin)

Klonopin: June 2014- Sept 2015; 1mg tapered over 6 mths, dc'd at 0.25mg, withdrawal hellish (perhaps because of concurrent dc of gabapentin)

Mirtazepine: Jumped off at 2.4 mg. (stable in 8 months).

Seroquel:  June 14 - July 24, 2016, 25 mg alternate nights; smaller doses for shorter periods. Total use about 3 months 

Lamictal: March 19, 2018 - 1 mg; March 23 - 1.25 mg; April 6 - 2mg. Discontinued at 2 mgJuly 1, 2018 due to Steven Johnson Syndrome.

 

CURRENT

Supplements: Vit D, turmeric

Naturethroid: 65 mcg for hypothyroidism

Trazodone: Oct 2015 - June 2016; 75 mg tapered over 2 mths, intense w/d after 3 weeks. Reinstatement: 07/25/16 - 25 mg; updosed 08/03/16 - 50 mg;  10/01/16-  62mg; 03/24/17 dropped to 50 mg (stable in 2.5 months)

                           Current psych meds: Trazodone 50 mg

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Just now, Survivor1 said:

Hi Frogie,

 

Just checking in with you.  Sorry you are not in a good space right now.  Aside from WD, we all have past issues that tug at us.  Try to do something enjoyable to take your mind off the negative thoughts.  

 

How is the nausea from the levo?  I hope you are better in that regard.

 

Best.

Unfortunately, there is nothing enjoyable in the 600 people town I live in. There are 4 stores 16 miles away. 2-dollar stores, a small way overpriced Walmart type store and a grocery store. You can only visit them so many times before they start looking at you funny.

 

The meds must be out of my system because I have no more nausea!

 

Thanks for checking in with me. Hope you are doing well.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Hello frogie 

 

im sorry you are going through a hard time. I am sharing them with you.

 

‘’I also cry a lot, have horrible thoughts attack at various times, don’t know if it’s the low dose of lexapro - I’m on 1mg, or whether it’s plain old w/d playing it’s miserable tricks. We will come out if it again and we will get better. 

 

‘’Good for you climbing on that bike, even if you do nothing else all day you achieved something which is a good thing. . 

2006 After sudden death of mother put on 20mg of citaloprom for depression. 

2014 Drug stopped working after two weeks of panic attacks felt fine. 

Aug 2014. Doctor put me on lyrica for rash on face, diarrhoea, sleeplessness,muscle cramp, bruising. Initial dose too strong, halved dose.  Stopped taking it 22/10/14

2014 severe anxiety after several ssri's attempted, seem to have developed severe  sensitivity to any drug, but giving severe  reactions put on cipralex drop form.started on 2 drops and had to increase by 1 drop every 3 days. Eventually got to 12 drops and had to stop as side effects every step of the way dreadful. Psychiatrist kept telling me to stick with it and my body would get used to it.  Eventually down to 8 drops. Bad reactions throughout the time I was on it

Have been on this until may 2017. Stopped over two weeks. Felt fine for 5 weeks after initial dizziness, nightmares, nausea, insomnia.  

Given diazepam by gp and told to take them when anxiety bad. Have only taken them very rarely as they frighten me. 

Last two weeks severe anxiety returned and feeling hopeless 

11July 2017. Cipralex 2mg. Anxiety, nausea still severe

13 July 2017 Cipralex 1mg due to advice of too high dosage  by kind person on thus site. so dropped from 2mg to 1mg and feelings of anxiety still at severe. As well as nausea, headaches, fatigue. 

15 July still feeling extremely anxious verging on panic. Nausea, feelings of fainting, fatigue. Lots of head pains 

3 August. Three weeks into trying to stabilise on one drop of cipralex. Still have waking from 4am. Sporadic upset stomach. Nausea.  High anxiety.  Throbbing/burning in nether regions seems to have eased for time being but stabbing/burning in calves of legs. Tinnitus. Occasional half to whole better days but mainly still struggling. Fatigue   

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9 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

Hello frogie 

 

im sorry you are going through a hard time. I am sharing them with you.

 

‘’I also cry a lot, have horrible thoughts attack at various times, don’t know if it’s the low dose of lexapro - I’m on 1mg, or whether it’s plain old w/d playing it’s miserable tricks. We will come out if it again and we will get better. 

 

‘’Good for you climbing on that bike, even if you do nothing else all day you achieved something which is a good thing. . 

Hi Scorpio:

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one that has the horrible thoughts and cries a lot. I cry over nothing and I mean nothing. I'll just be sitting here and start crying. I feel stupid.

 

I achieved one thing today, and now I have the stupid thoughts and tears rolling down my face.

 

Da*n Lexapro!

 

I hope you feel better than me!

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Hi frogie

 

i think we are in the same miserable boat. It can only get better. 

 

‘’We have overdosed on snow and the chaos it caused, now have rain and burst pipes , lots of people without water. I long for spring and sun. 

 

‘’Keep going, frogie. Be kind to yourself. 

2006 After sudden death of mother put on 20mg of citaloprom for depression. 

2014 Drug stopped working after two weeks of panic attacks felt fine. 

Aug 2014. Doctor put me on lyrica for rash on face, diarrhoea, sleeplessness,muscle cramp, bruising. Initial dose too strong, halved dose.  Stopped taking it 22/10/14

2014 severe anxiety after several ssri's attempted, seem to have developed severe  sensitivity to any drug, but giving severe  reactions put on cipralex drop form.started on 2 drops and had to increase by 1 drop every 3 days. Eventually got to 12 drops and had to stop as side effects every step of the way dreadful. Psychiatrist kept telling me to stick with it and my body would get used to it.  Eventually down to 8 drops. Bad reactions throughout the time I was on it

Have been on this until may 2017. Stopped over two weeks. Felt fine for 5 weeks after initial dizziness, nightmares, nausea, insomnia.  

Given diazepam by gp and told to take them when anxiety bad. Have only taken them very rarely as they frighten me. 

Last two weeks severe anxiety returned and feeling hopeless 

11July 2017. Cipralex 2mg. Anxiety, nausea still severe

13 July 2017 Cipralex 1mg due to advice of too high dosage  by kind person on thus site. so dropped from 2mg to 1mg and feelings of anxiety still at severe. As well as nausea, headaches, fatigue. 

15 July still feeling extremely anxious verging on panic. Nausea, feelings of fainting, fatigue. Lots of head pains 

3 August. Three weeks into trying to stabilise on one drop of cipralex. Still have waking from 4am. Sporadic upset stomach. Nausea.  High anxiety.  Throbbing/burning in nether regions seems to have eased for time being but stabbing/burning in calves of legs. Tinnitus. Occasional half to whole better days but mainly still struggling. Fatigue   

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1 minute ago, Frogie said:

I'm glad I'm not the only one that has the horrible thoughts and cries a lot. I cry over nothing and I mean nothing. I'll just be sitting here and start crying. I feel stupid.

 

Frogie,

 

You need to learn to relax and stop beating yourself up.  There is nothing wrong with crying whether it is for "something" or for "nothing."  The ability to reach into one's soul and get in touch with the sadness that exists, for whatever reason, can be seen as a gift.  Many people who have been on the drugs will tell you that they regret deeply that they are not able to cry and their feelings are completely bottled up.  This is not a weakness or a failing and so you should not see yourself in a bad light because of it.  Clearly, deep beneath the surface, you have sadness that is bottled up.  Yes, some of it may be from Lexapro but I suspect that some of it is deeper than that.  It doesn't make you mentally ill or anything of the sort -- it makes you human.  The fact that you feel ashamed of crying because you don't have a "good enough reason" is an indication of how screwed up our society is and the ways it seeks to dictate our emotions.

 

The horrible thoughts are very much a w/d symptom but crying is not a bad thing.  Be gently on yourself.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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Hi Frogie 

im not a good one to interact with today. Day 5 of taper. It hit me hard. Too bad we can’t sit and cry together.

 

I think the lower you go in dose, the more emotional you’ll be. You don’t have as much drug to cover up emotions.  When I ct’d Zoloft years ago, I had all the emotions rushing in and it was work to sort through them. Not easy. But they weren’t all bad emotions like now. I would laugh, then I would cry. I was certifiable. 

 

Hiw nice your fiance bought you a new bike. Ride it girl!! 15 min is a good start. Do that for a week and work your way up. You’ll have a bikini body by summer!

Lex  4.3mg,  3/2/18  Ativan ,5 mg,  lunesta 2 mg , toprol  25 mg                                                            

 

Oct 16-28 2018 C/O to 19 mg V from 1.5 mg Ativan, 1.3 mg lunesta 

jan 22 2019- 11 mg V

jan 23 - pneumonia, 2 AB’s. 

    Hold taper

july 5- 10.72 V

July 6- 11 mg V- ugly bad

july 11- 10.72 mg V, 4.3 lex, 

              25 mg toprol

 

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4 minutes ago, apace41 said:

 

Frogie,

 

You need to learn to relax and stop beating yourself up.  There is nothing wrong with crying whether it is for "something" or for "nothing."  The ability to reach into one's soul and get in touch with the sadness that exists, for whatever reason, can be seen as a gift.  Many people who have been on the drugs will tell you that they regret deeply that they are not able to cry and their feelings are completely bottled up.  This is not a weakness or a failing and so you should not see yourself in a bad light because of it.  Clearly, deep beneath the surface, you have sadness that is bottled up.  Yes, some of it may be from Lexapro but I suspect that some of it is deeper than that.  It doesn't make you mentally ill or anything of the sort -- it makes you human.  The fact that you feel ashamed of crying because you don't have a "good enough reason" is an indication of how screwed up our society is and the ways it seeks to dictate our emotions.

 

The horrible thoughts are very much a w/d symptom but crying is not a bad thing.  Be gently on yourself.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Thanks Andy:

 

I do have a lot of emotions bottled up that I was never able to cry over. Lexapro makes you numb and takes away your emotions. My father passed away 5 years ago the 25th of this month. I have yet to cry, but we hadn't had a relationship in a long time when he passed away. Then my youngest son, no relationship. And not seeing my granddaughter. It's all bottled up and I think it's all decided to pour out. And being alone. We are going home but not as soon as I want to. I'm impatient. When I want something I want it now. I have a lot of learning to do without this medication or the reduction.

 

I will try to be gentle on myself and let the tears flow.

 

Thanks for helping me Andy. I hope you are doing a little better.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil.

Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

I am not a medical professional.

The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Damn lexapro 

Lex  4.3mg,  3/2/18  Ativan ,5 mg,  lunesta 2 mg , toprol  25 mg                                                            

 

Oct 16-28 2018 C/O to 19 mg V from 1.5 mg Ativan, 1.3 mg lunesta 

jan 22 2019- 11 mg V

jan 23 - pneumonia, 2 AB’s. 

    Hold taper

july 5- 10.72 V

July 6- 11 mg V- ugly bad

july 11- 10.72 mg V, 4.3 lex, 

              25 mg toprol

 

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