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1 hour ago, pinkfairy said:

Hope your managing pb 

 

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so do I pink ,I think Damien from the omen is missing he's demon and its taking up living in me rent free and feeding off me ;) 

Thanks pink your so kind  

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Well he must have a twin because his living in me too ;) 

 

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First AD when i was 19.Binge drinker/drugs 15 years weekend use.I was always pulled on and off.2005-2007-Mirtapine 45mg CT. 2010-2016 Paxil 40mg + Zopiclone.Jan-2016 i was CT off Paxil.Stopped alcohol Jan 2016.Given 2-4mg of Diazepam April 2016 CT them after 3 month.They reinstated 8mg of Diazepam July 2016 and the Doctor CT me off Zopiclone the same day.They then tried adding all different drugs Mirt one of them at 15mg (i took 7.5mg).I was tapered August 2016 7.5mg.Sep 2016 7mg.Oct 2016 6mg.Tried 1mg of Paxil-stopped after 2 days.Nov 2016 5.5mg.Tried olanzapine @2.5mg (stopped after a week)Dec 2016-5mg.Tried switching to liquid Jan-March 2017 (no good)back to pills.April 2017-4.75mg of Diazepam June 2017 -4.5mg.July 2018 went inpatient for 10 days.Awakening 4 days later.HELD.Sep 2017 4.3mg Dec 2017-4mg (Held)April 2019- started tapering the Mirtazapine.Sep 2019 at 6mg of Mirtazapine (HELD)Stopped smoking CT after 26 years.10.16.19..Restarted the Diazepam taper Jan 2020 micro tapering (game changer) now 18/7/23 @0.052mg Diazepam + Mirtazapine @6mg.

 

 

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today is the first day of a strict gluten free diet so we will see in a month if there's any difference .

my will power is crap so I think I'm posting this to make myself stick to it and knowing  my peers are  going  through the same problems .here's hoping hey .  

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Hi Powerback, I just read your entire thread. : ) You've been through a lot and are still in the game, that is awesome.

 

Sounds like around February things were pretty rough. How are things for you these days?

 

I can *definitely* relate to being super-sensitive to noises. The other day someone's phone just buzzed once from an incoming message and I about jumped out of my skin. Have you found anything to help w this? I take magnesium, and I do have earplugs but of course can't go around wearing them all of the time.

 

Hope you are doing well.

 

2020: After 18+ years (entire adult life) on Paxil, a dangerous doctor-led "taper" in 2015, and four years tapering off the last 1 mg thanks to SA and the Brassmonkey slide, 

I AM COMPLETELY FREE OF PAXIL! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Forever.

 

2021: Began conservative, proper, CNS-respecting taper of Zoloft, led by the only expert on me -- me. Making own liquid. 5-10% plus holds.

2022: Holding on Zoloft for now. Current dose 47 mg. Hanging in, hanging on. Severe protracted PAWS, windows and waves. While I may not be doing "a lot" by outside standards, things are graaaaadually getting better

 

Yoga (gentle to medium); walks; daily breath practice; nutrition, fruits/veg; nature; water; EastEnders (lol); practicing self-compassion, self-care; boundaries; connection; allowing feelings; t r u s t ing that I, too, will heal. (--> may need to be reminded of this.)

"You are not alone, and this is not the end of your story." - Baylissa

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11 hours ago, SkyBlue said:

Hi Powerback, I just read your entire thread. : ) You've been through a lot and are still in the game, that is awesome.

 

Sounds like around February things were pretty rough. How are things for you these days?

 

I can *definitely* relate to being super-sensitive to noises. The other day someone's phone just buzzed once from an incoming message and I about jumped out of my skin. Have you found anything to help w this? I take magnesium, and I do have earplugs but of course can't go around wearing them all of the time.

 

Hope you are doing well.

Hi SB thanks for reading my thread ,I don't write up half of it anymore because ide be just be  repeating myself and to be honest I'm sadly only getting worse ,I'm actually very sick since Christmas with small  periods of "normal" .I have extremely nasty intrusive thoughts and my self critic is on steroids ,I'm painfully  sensitive and paranoid that I simply wonder what will become of me, someone would make a disparaging comment and it would cut me like a knife .  [I'm not long awake while writing this, so  always at my worst ].its simply impossible to partake in life like this .

 

In my own opinion I  realise  I have made every mistake in the book when it comes to tapering[started with my doctors advice ] ,I dunk my head in cold water in the mornings to try get the inflammation out of my head .the ear protection ear muffs I have on this minute probably gives me tension headaches  .

Ok enough of the Debby downer ,I'm depressing myself here.

these sensitivity's are to do with the sympathetic nervous system so research ways to reduce your stress in areas like food ,alcohol ,toxic people ,your environment ,get to sleep early and wake early ,its what's most natural for us .

 

Thanks again Sky for your visit ,it actually means a lot to me ,we simply just keep fighting .

Take care and I hope your well .

 

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, powerback said:

Hi SB thanks for reading my thread ,I don't write up half of it anymore because ide be just be  repeating myself and to be honest I'm sadly only getting worse ,I'm actually very sick since Christmas with small  periods of "normal" .I have extremely nasty intrusive thoughts and my self critic is on steroids ,I'm painfully  sensitive and paranoid that I simply wonder what will become of me, someone would make a disparaging comment and it would cut me like a knife .  [I'm not long awake while writing this, so  always at my worst ].its simply impossible to partake in life like this .

 

In my own opinion I  realise  I have made every mistake in the book when it comes to tapering[started with my doctors advice ] ,I dunk my head in cold water in the mornings to try get the inflammation out of my head .the ear protection ear muffs I have on this minute probably gives me tension headaches  .

Ok enough of the Debby downer ,I'm depressing myself here.

these sensitivity's are to do with the sympathetic nervous system so research ways to reduce your stress in areas like food ,alcohol ,toxic people ,your environment ,get to sleep early and wake early ,its what's most natural for us .

 

Thanks again Sky for your visit ,it actually means a lot to me ,we simply just keep fighting .

Take care and I hope your well .

 

sorry to hear you are suffering PB, I pray you are back in a window soon, keep you chin up don't let withdrawal get the better of you,

 

take care

2001 - 2005 prozac,  2001 - 2017 various benzos, mainly diazapem and zanex,  2002 - 2017 olanzapine or seroquel,  2002 -2017 propanolol, 2005 - 2009 venlafaxine 75mg , forced to go cold turkey off venlafaxine as moved Thailand, doctor cut me off and couldn't get it there, severely ill for over 2 years, countered withdrawals with more zanex and seroquel

2014 returned to UK, mainly to get treatment getting off meds

doctor advised to taper seroquel over a few weeks, severely ill and bed bed-bound so reinstated it, 2015 tapered seroquel myself slower over a few months, was off it 2 months and was too ill so went on olanzapine, became zombie and too tired to get out of bed, went back on seroquel, very depressed so went back on venlafaxine, didnt work  so doctor swapped to zoloft became very agitated so back on venlafaxine

June 2016 - felt strong enough to begin tapering again, started what I thought was a slow taper of all meds,  2016 July Not had any alcoholic drink since this date, 

2016 October completely off diazepem, 2017 Feb completely off seroquel, 2017 March completely off proponanlol, 2017 April (day before birthday) completely off venlafaxine, OFF ALL MEDS 11/4/2017, was fine for nearly 3 months and then delayed withdrawal hit,

supplements taking: turmeric capsules, NiaCel (nicotinamide riboside), Vit B12 sublingual, Vit B3, Vit B6, Vit B1, apple cider vinegar, manuka umf 10 honey, camu camu powder,  melatonin when needed, epsom salt baths, juices, smoothies, 

Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15175-dj2010-off-all-meds-for-3-months-and-been-fine-now-bad-insomnia/

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Hey there PB, Thank you for your kind words on my thread. You really are a sweetheart too reach out whilst suffering so terribly yourself.  

2 hours ago, powerback said:

my self critic is on steroids

As you read, I'm doing the same thing. I really do love your description! I just wish you were not experiencing any of these horrible experiences. You will however get through this PB :) I don't doubt that. Much Love K xo

  • Citalopram 20mg - 40mg ~ approx 2010 - October 2015 (stopped over one week)
  • Parnate  20mg - 50mg and olazapine 5mg ~ Jan 2016 - May 2016 (ceased over 2 days) 
  • Lithium 450mg-900 mg and Thyroxin ~May 2016 - May 2017
  • Diazepam various doses (including PRN) ~ 2015 - 2017
  • Oxazepam various doses (including PRN) ~ May 2016 - June 2016
  • Lurasidone 20mg ~Mid May 2016 - Mid June 2016
  • Vortioxetine 10mg - 20mg ~ 6th June 2016 - 20th July 2016 (abruptly ceased)
  • Amitriptyline 200mg ~July 2016 - September 2016 (ceased over 1 week)
  • Nortriptyline  (dose ?) ~October 2016 ~ November 2016 (abruptly ceased)
  • Seroquel XR 100mg - 300mg ~ May 2016 - August 2017 (ceased over 3 weeks)
  • Escitalopram 10mg - 30mg ~ August 2016 - March 2017 (ceased over 2 weeks)
  • Bupropion 300mg ~ December 2016 - May 2017 (ceased over 1 week)
  • Clonazepam 1.5mg daily ~ July 2016 (started tapering May 2017 - September 2017 currently on 0.375mg..ie 0.125mg TDS) 27th May 2018 5% 0.357mg (possible paradoxical reaction - see benzo thread)  28th June 5% 0.337mg, 28th July 10% 0.303mg, 12th September10% 0.272mg, 18th September reinstated 10% due to intolerable WD 0.303mg, 1st October-11th Oct 10% (1% reduction over 10 days) 0.272mg, 22nd October clonazepam ceased crossed over 10mg diazepam
  •  Dexamphatamine 20mg ~ December 2016 (started tapering October 2017 - tapered 1.25mg 4th Dec 2017, 1.25mg 19th Dec 2017 6.25mg, Speed up decrease due to major interaction between Dex and fluoxetine- ref to thread 10% 17th Feb 2018 5.63mg, 10% 21st Feb 2018 5.1mg, 10% 26th Feb 2018 4.5mg 10% 28th Feb 4.1mg, 10% 1st March 3.7mg, 10% 5th March 3.3mg, 10% 8th March 3mg, 10% 10th March 2.7mg, 10% 12th March 2.4mg, 10% 14th March 2.16mg, 10% 16th March 1.94mg, 10% 18th March 1.74mg, 10% 20th March 1.57mg, 10% 21st March 1.41mg, 10% 22nd March 1.26mg, 10% 23rd March 1.13mg, 10% 24th March 1.01mg, 10% 25th March 0.9mg, 10% 27th March 0.81mg, 10% 29th March 0.73mg, 10% 31st March 0.66mg, 10% 2nd April 0.59mg , 10% 4th April 0.53mg, 10% 6th April 0.47mg, 10% 8th April 0.42mg, 10%10th April 0.37mg, 11th April 0.2mg, 12th April 0.1mg (last dose) OFF! 
  • Fluoxetine 40mg ~December 2016 - 31 Jan 2018 reduced to 20mg (probable serotonin toxicity) 10th March 2020 10mg (1:1 ratio), 7th April 9mg, 1st May 8.5mg, 15th May 8.0mg, 27th May 7.5mg, 8th Sept 7.2mg, 2nd Oct 7mg, 19th Oct 6.8mg, 28th Oct 6.6mg, 5th Nov 6.4mg, 26th Nov 6mg, 2nd April 2021 5.9mg, 9th April 5.8mg, 19th April 5.75mg, 22nd April 5.7mg, 26th April 5.65mg,28th April 5.6mg, 1st May 5.5mg, 4th May 5.45mg, 7th May 5.4mg, 10th May 5.35mg, 12th May 5.3mg, 15th May 5.25mg, 18th May 5.2mg, 20th May 5.15mg, 22nd May 5mg, 10th July 4.5mg, 9th Aug 4.48mg (switched from syringe to pipette method), 12th Aug 4.46mg, 14th Aug 4.4mg, 18th Aug 4.38mg, 19th Aug 4.36mg, 20th Aug 4.34, 21st 4.32mg, 22nd 4.3mg, 23rd Aug 4mg (hold), (micro-taper) 12th Oct 2021 3.98mg, 14th Oct 3.96mg, 15th Oct 3.94mg, 16th Oct 3.92mg, 17th Oct 3.9mg, 18th Oct 3.88mg, 19th Oct 3.86mg, 21st Oct 3.84mg, 22nd Oct 3.82mg, 23rd Oct 3.8mg, 24th Oct 3.78mg, 25th Oct 3.76mg, 26th Oct 3.74mg, 27th Oct 3.72mg, (WD reached intolerable level, reinstated 0.06mg) 28th Oct 3.8mg, 7th March 2022 3.7mg, 21st March 3.6mg, 4th April 3.5mg, 18th April 3.4mg, 2nd May 3.3mg, 16th May 3.2mg, 20th June 3.1mg, 4th July 3mg, 18th July 2.9mg, 12th September 2.7mg, 18th October 2.5mg, 14th Nov 2.3mg, 12th December 2.1mg, 18th January 2023 1.9mg, 9th July 2023 1.88mg, 16th July 1.86mg, 23rd July 1.84mg, 30th July 1.82mg, 6th Aug 1.80mg, 10th Sept 1.7mg, 12th Oct 1.68mg, 23rd Oct 1.66mg, 30th Oct 1.64mg, 6th Nov 1.62mg, 13th Nov 1.60mg, (2:1 ratio) 30th Dec 1.597mg, 7th Jan 2024 1.595mg, 8th 1.592mg,  10th 1.589, 11th 1.587, 12th 1.585, 13th 1.583, 14th 1.58 cont… 5th Feb 1.56mg, 11th Feb 1.55mg, 19th Feb 1.54mg, 26th Feb 1.53mg, 4th March 1.52mg, 11th March 1.51mg, 25th March 1.50mg, 1st April 1.49mg, 8th April 1.48mg, 15th April 1.47mg, 22nd April 1.46mg, 29th April 1.45mg
  • Diazepam 10mg ~ 22nd Oct 2018, 10th November 8mg, 14th Nov 7mg, 8th December 6mg, 30th December 5mg (Nocte), 7th March 2019 4.5mg,14th March 4mg, 5th April 3.5mg, 9th April 3mg, 18th April 2.5mg,1st May 2mg, 17th May 1.75mg, 25th May 1.6mg, 4th June 1.59mg, 5th June 1.58mg, 6th June 1.57mg, 7th June 1.56mg, 8th June 1.55mg, 22nd June 1.4mg, 4th July 1.2mg, 16th July 1mg, 30th July 0.8mg, 13th Aug 0.6mg, 28th Aug 0.4mg, 10th Sept 0.2mg, 23rd Sept Off! 
  • SR Circadin 2mg (melatonin) 25th May - 20th June 
  • Zolpidem 10mg 25th May (7 tablets)
  • Supplements: Magnesium glycinate (soluble - sip throughout the day) 

 

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6 hours ago, dj2010 said:

sorry to hear you are suffering PB, I pray you are back in a window soon, keep you chin up don't let withdrawal get the better of you,

 

take care

Thanks DJ your very kind ,don't be dragged out of your good recovery ,sadly I cant blame everything on withdrawl ,I crave to be a good example but sadly ive been kidding myself for far to long and I'm astonished how much worse this is going to get for me .its becoming painfully apparent to me ive lost patience with this process  and I'm on the verge of a huge breaking point ,this is to do with my character and personality mixed with withdrawl [impossible toxic mix ].

 

Anyone out there reading this is not to compare my long journey[especially newbies ]  with there own because every little decision and choice you make long before withdrawl plays its part and it  has just came back to smash me in withdrawl .

Ile try and tap into that self compassion DJ and just keep fighting .

Be safe .

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Kristine said:

Hey there PB, Thank you for your kind words on my thread. You really are a sweetheart too reach out whilst suffering so terribly yourself.  

As you read, I'm doing the same thing. I really do love your description! I just wish you were not experiencing any of these horrible experiences. You will however get through this PB :) I don't doubt that. Much Love K xo

Your welcome K ,I simply don't have a second for sympathy for anyone outside this site anymore because there simply isn't worse suffering than this ,except  for a few close friends and  family .

today has been a living hell with triggers everywhere I turn and my poor heart cant take it anymore ,I'm listen to music to try and offload some emotion but its just nearly there if you get me ,cant quite reach the emotion .

Sadly K ive lived with this critic my whole life and now I'm aware of it [last 6 years] its even more painful .I don't believe in the chemical imbalance theory but something went wrong in my brains development and then add years of self medication and now withdrawl ,I'm at pains to imagine my way out of this .

The drugs never helped me achieve anything so take the time drugged and withdrawl there'll be at least 10 years wiped off my life ,I have read many stories about drugs helping people  even before negative affects happened  ,I contradict myself here because lately I think back they mite of been helping me ,who knows hey . 

Take care K 

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I'm here trying to force a window ,we are nearly there :)

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1 hour ago, powerback said:

I'm here trying to force a window ,we are nearly there :)

How apropos! Love it

Lex  4.3mg,  3/2/18  Ativan ,5 mg,  lunesta 2 mg , toprol  25 mg                                                            

 

Oct 16-28 2018 C/O to 19 mg V from 1.5 mg Ativan, 1.3 mg lunesta 

jan 22 2019- 11 mg V

jan 23 - pneumonia, 2 AB’s. 

    Hold taper

july 5- 10.72 V

July 6- 11 mg V- ugly bad

july 11- 10.72 mg V, 4.3 lex, 

              25 mg toprol

 

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10 minutes ago, Littlegrandma said:

How apropos! Love it

Glad you like it LG :)

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14 hours ago, powerback said:

Thanks DJ your very kind ,don't be dragged out of your good recovery ,sadly I cant blame everything on withdrawl ,I crave to be a good example but sadly ive been kidding myself for far to long and I'm astonished how much worse this is going to get for me .its becoming painfully apparent to me ive lost patience with this process  and I'm on the verge of a huge breaking point ,this is to do with my character and personality mixed with withdrawl [impossible toxic mix ].

 

Anyone out there reading this is not to compare my long journey[especially newbies ]  with there own because every little decision and choice you make long before withdrawl plays its part and it  has just came back to smash me in withdrawl .

Ile try and tap into that self compassion DJ and just keep fighting .

Be safe .

 

Hi PB, I am sorry to hear how bad things have got, it might seem like there is no hope at the moment and that this will last forever but it wont, with time you will become stable and start having quality of life again, I was the same thinking there was no hope and would never get stable and be stuck on drugs forever but things changed and I became stable and managed to complete my taper and this will happen for you also even if you cant see this at the moment, you just need to take one day at a time putting one foot in front of the other, you also need to try and force yourself to get out of the house with daily exercise, this is crucial for recovery, I was once agoraphobic many years ago and it takes its toll, 

 

keep up the fight, take care

2001 - 2005 prozac,  2001 - 2017 various benzos, mainly diazapem and zanex,  2002 - 2017 olanzapine or seroquel,  2002 -2017 propanolol, 2005 - 2009 venlafaxine 75mg , forced to go cold turkey off venlafaxine as moved Thailand, doctor cut me off and couldn't get it there, severely ill for over 2 years, countered withdrawals with more zanex and seroquel

2014 returned to UK, mainly to get treatment getting off meds

doctor advised to taper seroquel over a few weeks, severely ill and bed bed-bound so reinstated it, 2015 tapered seroquel myself slower over a few months, was off it 2 months and was too ill so went on olanzapine, became zombie and too tired to get out of bed, went back on seroquel, very depressed so went back on venlafaxine, didnt work  so doctor swapped to zoloft became very agitated so back on venlafaxine

June 2016 - felt strong enough to begin tapering again, started what I thought was a slow taper of all meds,  2016 July Not had any alcoholic drink since this date, 

2016 October completely off diazepem, 2017 Feb completely off seroquel, 2017 March completely off proponanlol, 2017 April (day before birthday) completely off venlafaxine, OFF ALL MEDS 11/4/2017, was fine for nearly 3 months and then delayed withdrawal hit,

supplements taking: turmeric capsules, NiaCel (nicotinamide riboside), Vit B12 sublingual, Vit B3, Vit B6, Vit B1, apple cider vinegar, manuka umf 10 honey, camu camu powder,  melatonin when needed, epsom salt baths, juices, smoothies, 

Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15175-dj2010-off-all-meds-for-3-months-and-been-fine-now-bad-insomnia/

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2 hours ago, dj2010 said:

 

Hi PB, I am sorry to hear how bad things have got, it might seem like there is no hope at the moment and that this will last forever but it wont, with time you will become stable and start having quality of life again, I was the same thinking there was no hope and would never get stable and be stuck on drugs forever but things changed and I became stable and managed to complete my taper and this will happen for you also even if you cant see this at the moment, you just need to take one day at a time putting one foot in front of the other, you also need to try and force yourself to get out of the house with daily exercise, this is crucial for recovery, I was once agoraphobic many years ago and it takes its toll, 

 

keep up the fight, take care

Sound man thanks ,I'm lucky I'm pig ignorant stubborn:D so I wont give in ,its been a brutal winter and I'm pretty sure I understand why ,I have dentist tomorrow to get a route canal done again ,the last 6 months ive had an accumulation of infections that has worn my body down to the point it couldn't fight anything off   ,weather crap for Easter but ile get out anyway .

Thanks again DJ be well and have a lovely Easter . 

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, powerback said:

Sound man thanks ,I'm lucky I'm pig ignorant stubborn:D so I wont give in ,its been a brutal winter and I'm pretty sure I understand why ,I have dentist tomorrow to get a route canal done again ,the last 6 months ive had an accumulation of infections that has worn my body down to the point it couldn't fight anything off   ,weather crap for Easter but ile get out anyway .

Thanks again DJ be well and have a lovely Easter . 

be careful at the dentist tomorrow, I am sure i have read about other members going to the dentist and receiving injections etc that has made them worse you might want to have a search around the site and look for what you need to avoid tomorrow,

 

hope it goes well for you, have a nice Easter yourself

2001 - 2005 prozac,  2001 - 2017 various benzos, mainly diazapem and zanex,  2002 - 2017 olanzapine or seroquel,  2002 -2017 propanolol, 2005 - 2009 venlafaxine 75mg , forced to go cold turkey off venlafaxine as moved Thailand, doctor cut me off and couldn't get it there, severely ill for over 2 years, countered withdrawals with more zanex and seroquel

2014 returned to UK, mainly to get treatment getting off meds

doctor advised to taper seroquel over a few weeks, severely ill and bed bed-bound so reinstated it, 2015 tapered seroquel myself slower over a few months, was off it 2 months and was too ill so went on olanzapine, became zombie and too tired to get out of bed, went back on seroquel, very depressed so went back on venlafaxine, didnt work  so doctor swapped to zoloft became very agitated so back on venlafaxine

June 2016 - felt strong enough to begin tapering again, started what I thought was a slow taper of all meds,  2016 July Not had any alcoholic drink since this date, 

2016 October completely off diazepem, 2017 Feb completely off seroquel, 2017 March completely off proponanlol, 2017 April (day before birthday) completely off venlafaxine, OFF ALL MEDS 11/4/2017, was fine for nearly 3 months and then delayed withdrawal hit,

supplements taking: turmeric capsules, NiaCel (nicotinamide riboside), Vit B12 sublingual, Vit B3, Vit B6, Vit B1, apple cider vinegar, manuka umf 10 honey, camu camu powder,  melatonin when needed, epsom salt baths, juices, smoothies, 

Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15175-dj2010-off-all-meds-for-3-months-and-been-fine-now-bad-insomnia/

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3 hours ago, dj2010 said:

be careful at the dentist tomorrow, I am sure i have read about other members going to the dentist and receiving injections etc that has made them worse you might want to have a search around the site and look for what you need to avoid tomorrow,

 

hope it goes well for you, have a nice Easter yourself

Ye your spot on thanks for reminding me DJ ,the thing is ive a small infection in the gum for a very long time and I must do something about it ,ive put it off for far to long ,I got hold of the names of antibiotics I'm sensitive to and even one I'm allergic to.maybe ile just ask for an antibiotic but they never clear it ,

 

 the infection seems to be in the root canal itself .its not painful ,its just as I said an accumulation and there taking there toll on my health .

tomorrow is a consultation so I wont let injections happen ,I suppose I cant really do anything about  it if I need the treatment .

I'm pretty sure my adrenals are in trouble also but not sure how far gone .I'm sorry I waited the tapering out and should of just put up with pain a long time ago of proper withdrawl with drugs in my system .

Ile see what he says ,I mite just go for a couple of weeks of antibiotics and put the root canal off .

Take care DJ and enjoy your weekend . 

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, powerback said:

Ye your spot on thanks for reminding me DJ ,the thing is ive a small infection in the gum for a very long time and I must do something about it ,ive put it off for far to long ,I got hold of the names of antibiotics I'm sensitive to and even one I'm allergic to.maybe ile just ask for an antibiotic but they never clear it ,

 

 the infection seems to be in the root canal itself .its not painful ,its just as I said an accumulation and there taking there toll on my health .

tomorrow is a consultation so I wont let injections happen ,I suppose I cant really do anything about  it if I need the treatment .

I'm pretty sure my adrenals are in trouble also but not sure how far gone .I'm sorry I waited the tapering out and should of just put up with pain a long time ago of proper withdrawl with drugs in my system .

Ile see what he says ,I mite just go for a couple of weeks of antibiotics and put the root canal off .

Take care DJ and enjoy your weekend . 

Hi PB, yeh cant ignore this then if its effecting your health, it sounds like you are on the ball with what need to avoid etc, I hope all goes well for you, take care

2001 - 2005 prozac,  2001 - 2017 various benzos, mainly diazapem and zanex,  2002 - 2017 olanzapine or seroquel,  2002 -2017 propanolol, 2005 - 2009 venlafaxine 75mg , forced to go cold turkey off venlafaxine as moved Thailand, doctor cut me off and couldn't get it there, severely ill for over 2 years, countered withdrawals with more zanex and seroquel

2014 returned to UK, mainly to get treatment getting off meds

doctor advised to taper seroquel over a few weeks, severely ill and bed bed-bound so reinstated it, 2015 tapered seroquel myself slower over a few months, was off it 2 months and was too ill so went on olanzapine, became zombie and too tired to get out of bed, went back on seroquel, very depressed so went back on venlafaxine, didnt work  so doctor swapped to zoloft became very agitated so back on venlafaxine

June 2016 - felt strong enough to begin tapering again, started what I thought was a slow taper of all meds,  2016 July Not had any alcoholic drink since this date, 

2016 October completely off diazepem, 2017 Feb completely off seroquel, 2017 March completely off proponanlol, 2017 April (day before birthday) completely off venlafaxine, OFF ALL MEDS 11/4/2017, was fine for nearly 3 months and then delayed withdrawal hit,

supplements taking: turmeric capsules, NiaCel (nicotinamide riboside), Vit B12 sublingual, Vit B3, Vit B6, Vit B1, apple cider vinegar, manuka umf 10 honey, camu camu powder,  melatonin when needed, epsom salt baths, juices, smoothies, 

Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15175-dj2010-off-all-meds-for-3-months-and-been-fine-now-bad-insomnia/

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Back from dentist ,major work needed done :wacko: ,I was hoping he would say this antibiotic will clear it but not a hope lol.

its an infection  in a root canal and the root mite have to go thus means an implant or a bridge .if decisions weren't hard enough in withdrawl .oh the joys .ive got to this age without  a filling but will need one after he checked today ,any wise folk out there know much about the best types of fillings to get .

 

Glad I went because he did a check up on all the rest of  my teeth and gums perfect ,that's a positive at least:) 

Thanks in advance and happy Easter to  all.

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Hey PB - I completely empathize with you.  I just had to have a tooth extracted yesterday and a bone graft completed.  I will have to wait several months to see if the bone graft works and then hopefully will be able to have an implant placed (it sounds like that is the preferable option vs. a bridge but sometimes there isn't enough bone for an implant).  I, unfortunately, don't know the best types of fillings to get but probably one that isn't the old school metal kind.  It is really hard to work all of this out on top of withdrawal, that is for sure! 

 

-1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper (essentially CT); withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD)

-10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin after 4 mos. Several unsuccessful slow tapers of Zoloft; went up and down in dose a lot

-Spring 2013 back on 1 mg Klonopin to counter WD symptoms; switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to 35 mg citalopram
-Two attempts at slow tapering citalopram, always increased dose due to WD; also increased Klonopin to 1.25 mg in 2014, then to 1.5 mg in 2015

-8/17-9/17: After holding one year at 20 mg, feeling withdrawal symptoms due to stress - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?)  - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg).

Supplements: fish oil; magnesium; vitamin D3; curcumin

Citalopram taper:  2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg I 2020: 10.89 mg - 7.9 mg I 2021: 7.8 mg - 5.26 mg I 2022: 5.2 mg - 3.36 mg I 2023: 3.3 mg - 1.47 mg 2024: 1/5/24: 1.44 mg; 1/19/24: 1.40 mg; 1/26/24: 1.37 mg; 2/2/24: 1.34 mg; 2/9/24: 1.31 mg; 2/23/24: 1.28 mg; 3/1/24: 1.25 mg; 3/8/24: 1.22 mg; 3/15/24: 1.19 mg; 3/29/24: 1.17 mg; 4/5/24: 1.14 mg; 4/13/24: 1.11 mg

 

 

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Hey PB, I'm glad you're getting your dental work sorted out, getting that infection gone will hopefully help you to turn the corner health-wise. You've been through so much lately. Still sending good vibes your way. Keep fighting the good fight, we're cheering for you!

Apr 09 2013 started taking 30mg Remeron

Oct 10 2013 began tapering 27 mg  Nov 07/ 24 mg  Nov 27/ 22 mg  Dec 20/ 20mg

***Stopped taper and reinstated back up to 30mg shortly afterwards due to the symptoms that I was taking Remeron for came back. The Exact Same symptoms. I wasn't willing to live through that again.

2nd attempt at tapering.

Feb 20 2017/ 28 mg  Mar 20/ 25 mg   Apr 20/ 23 mg  May 21/ 22mg  June 21/ 21mg  July 15/ 20mg  Aug 5/ 19mg Aug22/18mg  Oct 21/ 17 mg  Nov 27/ 16 mg  Dec 26/ 15mg  Jan 27 2018/ 14mg  Mar 1/ 13mg  Mar 31/ 12 mg 

Apr 28/ 11mg  May 27/ 10 mg  July 7/ 9 mg  Aug 4/ 8.1 mg  Aug 31/ 7.2 mg  Sept 29/ 6.3 mg  Oct 28/ 5.6 mg 

Nov 26/ 5 mg  Dec 25/ 4.5 mg   01/03/2020 .65 mg  03/11/20  - 0.36 mg- omg omw to being AD free!

 

I also take 30mg Temazepam for sleep every night, Pulmicort 180mcg inhaler 2x/day for cough variant asthma, albuterol inhaler as needed, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, omega 3 fish oil, 400mg magnesium malate, potassium iodide, CBD oil 25 - 30mgs/day

 

HOPE = Hold On, Pain Ends

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14 minutes ago, wantrelief said:

Hey PB - I completely empathize with you.  I just had to have a tooth extracted yesterday and a bone graft completed.  I will have to wait several months to see if the bone graft works and then hopefully will be able to have an implant placed (it sounds like that is the preferable option vs. a bridge but sometimes there isn't enough bone for an implant).  I, unfortunately, don't know the best types of fillings to get but probably one that isn't the old school metal kind.  It is really hard to work all of this out on top of withdrawal, that is for sure! 

 

Hi W thanks for your input ,it was so funny, I said to the man I was with yous last year and it was actually may 2015 he said,he must of wondered what he had siting in he's chair lol,its astonishing the time that has gone by medicated ,I'm sad about time lost  but hopeful for the future . 

Hope the graft works out for you ,take care and brush twice a day :D.

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13 minutes ago, Kitson said:

Hey PB, I'm glad you're getting your dental work sorted out, getting that infection gone will hopefully help you to turn the corner health-wise. You've been through so much lately. Still sending good vibes your way. Keep fighting the good fight, we're cheering for you!

Hi K Thanks for your reply ,I want to run a mile and find a big sand dune to bury my head in after today :D.he even noticed my tonsils inflamed ,Thanks for the vibes my friend there welcomed with open arms . 

Take care K .

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4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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So go run that mile. Or at least walk. Exercise is good. But no burying your head in the sand - too hard to breathe! Sit on the sand dune and meditate or watch one of those relaxing videos you post for us. You'll get through this. Dental procedures are the worst. I had a root canal last May -  I think I still have some PTSD from it, I wouldn't let them take xrays at my last visit  lol :D

Apr 09 2013 started taking 30mg Remeron

Oct 10 2013 began tapering 27 mg  Nov 07/ 24 mg  Nov 27/ 22 mg  Dec 20/ 20mg

***Stopped taper and reinstated back up to 30mg shortly afterwards due to the symptoms that I was taking Remeron for came back. The Exact Same symptoms. I wasn't willing to live through that again.

2nd attempt at tapering.

Feb 20 2017/ 28 mg  Mar 20/ 25 mg   Apr 20/ 23 mg  May 21/ 22mg  June 21/ 21mg  July 15/ 20mg  Aug 5/ 19mg Aug22/18mg  Oct 21/ 17 mg  Nov 27/ 16 mg  Dec 26/ 15mg  Jan 27 2018/ 14mg  Mar 1/ 13mg  Mar 31/ 12 mg 

Apr 28/ 11mg  May 27/ 10 mg  July 7/ 9 mg  Aug 4/ 8.1 mg  Aug 31/ 7.2 mg  Sept 29/ 6.3 mg  Oct 28/ 5.6 mg 

Nov 26/ 5 mg  Dec 25/ 4.5 mg   01/03/2020 .65 mg  03/11/20  - 0.36 mg- omg omw to being AD free!

 

I also take 30mg Temazepam for sleep every night, Pulmicort 180mcg inhaler 2x/day for cough variant asthma, albuterol inhaler as needed, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, omega 3 fish oil, 400mg magnesium malate, potassium iodide, CBD oil 25 - 30mgs/day

 

HOPE = Hold On, Pain Ends

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3 minutes ago, Kitson said:

So go run that mile. Or at least walk. Exercise is good. But no burying your head in the sand - too hard to breathe! Sit on the sand dune and meditate or watch one of those relaxing videos you post for us. You'll get through this. Dental procedures are the worst. I had a root canal last May -  I think I still have some PTSD from it, I wouldn't let them take xrays at my last visit  lol :D

:D,I'm fine tonight cheers ,dare I say a little window :).did they tell you youl feel no pain then bang the needle goes up there and OUCH make it stop lol.

PTSD wouldn't surprise me .

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1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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Hey PB, thanks for the AnxietyExit video. Youch. As a being always in the flight-or-flight or unresponsive responses, that hurt. Hopeful though that he was able to change it. I, like you, have become more aware of the constant critic inside and struggle to at least quiet it -- but not usually. Anyways, words are failing me today (it is a rough one) so just know that good vibes are coming your way.

  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini yoga

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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11 minutes ago, FarmGirlWorks said:

Hey PB, thanks for the AnxietyExit video. Youch. As a being always in the flight-or-flight or unresponsive responses, that hurt. Hopeful though that he was able to change it. I, like you, have become more aware of the constant critic inside and struggle to at least quiet it -- but not usually. Anyways, words are failing me today (it is a rough one) so just know that good vibes are coming your way.

I'm glad its of use to you FGW ,I'm with you the whole way through the rough ride ,sometimes it feels like these rides are powered by nuclear power .I have been doing a lot of witnessing my critic and its actions ,its constantly arguing with the smallest social interactions I partake in .  

Thanks for the vibes ,write back at you .

Be safe .

Alcohol free since February 2015 

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17 minutes ago, powerback said:

:D,I'm fine tonight cheers ,dare I say a little window :).did they tell you youl feel no pain then bang the needle goes up there and OUCH make it stop lol.

PTSD wouldn't surprise me .

 

Ah, so glad you're getting a window! Wonderful!

 

Actually I was concerned I wouldn't get enough Novocaine. My root pulp was quite inflamed. I usually do fine at the dentist as long as I am completely numb. I don't want to feel any pain. I talked with him enough about it that he agreed to give me extra novocaine. So it was pain-free, but I was in the chair for three hours and my jaw was so sore afterwards and I got trigger points in my jaw muscles I had to work them out myself. Trigger points are when small portions of muscles go into spasms like a charley horse and won't release on their own.

Apr 09 2013 started taking 30mg Remeron

Oct 10 2013 began tapering 27 mg  Nov 07/ 24 mg  Nov 27/ 22 mg  Dec 20/ 20mg

***Stopped taper and reinstated back up to 30mg shortly afterwards due to the symptoms that I was taking Remeron for came back. The Exact Same symptoms. I wasn't willing to live through that again.

2nd attempt at tapering.

Feb 20 2017/ 28 mg  Mar 20/ 25 mg   Apr 20/ 23 mg  May 21/ 22mg  June 21/ 21mg  July 15/ 20mg  Aug 5/ 19mg Aug22/18mg  Oct 21/ 17 mg  Nov 27/ 16 mg  Dec 26/ 15mg  Jan 27 2018/ 14mg  Mar 1/ 13mg  Mar 31/ 12 mg 

Apr 28/ 11mg  May 27/ 10 mg  July 7/ 9 mg  Aug 4/ 8.1 mg  Aug 31/ 7.2 mg  Sept 29/ 6.3 mg  Oct 28/ 5.6 mg 

Nov 26/ 5 mg  Dec 25/ 4.5 mg   01/03/2020 .65 mg  03/11/20  - 0.36 mg- omg omw to being AD free!

 

I also take 30mg Temazepam for sleep every night, Pulmicort 180mcg inhaler 2x/day for cough variant asthma, albuterol inhaler as needed, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, omega 3 fish oil, 400mg magnesium malate, potassium iodide, CBD oil 25 - 30mgs/day

 

HOPE = Hold On, Pain Ends

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6 minutes ago, Kitson said:

 

Ah, so glad you're getting a window! Wonderful!

 

Actually I was concerned I wouldn't get enough Novocaine. My root pulp was quite inflamed. I usually do fine at the dentist as long as I am completely numb. I don't want to feel any pain. I talked with him enough about it that he agreed to give me extra novocaine. So it was pain-free, but I was in the chair for three hours and my jaw was so sore afterwards and I got trigger points in my jaw muscles I had to work them out myself. Trigger points are when small portions of muscles go into spasms like a charley horse and won't release on their own.

DID all that novocaine play havock with your withdrawl symptoms .  

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4 minutes ago, powerback said:

DID all that novocaine play havock with your withdrawl symptoms .  

 

I was afraid that it would, but it didn't thank goodness.

Apr 09 2013 started taking 30mg Remeron

Oct 10 2013 began tapering 27 mg  Nov 07/ 24 mg  Nov 27/ 22 mg  Dec 20/ 20mg

***Stopped taper and reinstated back up to 30mg shortly afterwards due to the symptoms that I was taking Remeron for came back. The Exact Same symptoms. I wasn't willing to live through that again.

2nd attempt at tapering.

Feb 20 2017/ 28 mg  Mar 20/ 25 mg   Apr 20/ 23 mg  May 21/ 22mg  June 21/ 21mg  July 15/ 20mg  Aug 5/ 19mg Aug22/18mg  Oct 21/ 17 mg  Nov 27/ 16 mg  Dec 26/ 15mg  Jan 27 2018/ 14mg  Mar 1/ 13mg  Mar 31/ 12 mg 

Apr 28/ 11mg  May 27/ 10 mg  July 7/ 9 mg  Aug 4/ 8.1 mg  Aug 31/ 7.2 mg  Sept 29/ 6.3 mg  Oct 28/ 5.6 mg 

Nov 26/ 5 mg  Dec 25/ 4.5 mg   01/03/2020 .65 mg  03/11/20  - 0.36 mg- omg omw to being AD free!

 

I also take 30mg Temazepam for sleep every night, Pulmicort 180mcg inhaler 2x/day for cough variant asthma, albuterol inhaler as needed, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, omega 3 fish oil, 400mg magnesium malate, potassium iodide, CBD oil 25 - 30mgs/day

 

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Just now, Kitson said:

 

I was afraid that it would, but it didn't thank goodness.

That was great it didn't .

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My latest way to drown out  the intrusive/thoughts is listening to upbeat music loudly ,bye bye to my hearing :unsure:

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Sending you supportive vibes PB, and sorry to hear about the infections, that's really rough.

 

You are not alone in this struggle I can assure you.....every new day brings possibilities, we're just not necessarily in the right place to be able to see them or be open to them.

 

i really hope you get some relief from being in pain very soon.

 

JC xx

 

 

Dose History: 19 Feb 2014 - Escitalopram 10mg daily June 2015 - Started taper, 5mg every other day July 2015 - 5mg every 2 days August 2015 - 5mg every 3 days September 2015 - 5mg every 4 days Sept 14th - Completed tapering, but at 7 weeks "drug free" I suffered serious WD symptoms as a consequence of "incorrect" tapering. Nov 25 2015 - Re-instated Cipralex @ 2.5mg daily. WD symptoms faded. Held at this dose and experienced "windows and waves". 12 Oct 2017 Reduced dose to 1.25mg. 13 Mar 2018 Reduced dose to 0.625mg (approx.). 16 April 2018 0mg. Windows and waves triggered by stress (IBS/reflux, headaches, sinus issues) Aug 2019 Mirena coil fitted 6 Jan 2020 MAJOR Wave hit 19 months following last dose (protracted WD).  Symptoms listed below Mar 2020 Mirena coil removal.

Therapy: Nov 15th 2016 Re-started therapy Jan 19th 2017 Started CBT Dec 2017 Started listening to Hypnotherapy CD (self-esteem). Nov 2019 Started couples therapy.

Supplements: "Bioglan" Biotic Balance Ultimate Flora 10 billion CFU, live Bacteria, Probiotic, suitable for Vegetarians, with Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Rhamnosus, Bifidobacterium Longum"Pukka" Vitalise a unique blend of 30 energising botanicals.

Diet: 16 April 2018 Detox cleanse / anti-candida for 90 days. Jan 2020 Started "small plate" diet (i.e child size portions).

Exercise: Stretching, Yoga, Pilates, Spinning, Elliptical/upper body workout, walking.

Medical Test Results: 4 Jan 2017 Homeopathic Treatment starts 24 Feb 2017 Started weight loss program 24 Mar 2017 Naturopathic Treatment + anti-Candida diet started due to suspected Candida Related Complex (CRC). DETOXED for 7 weeks to "re-set" gut. April 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Comprehensive Stool Analysis NEGATIVE; Full Blood Count (Normal) / Blood Cholesterol: 5.6 (Borderline) / Blood Sugar (Normal) / 28 Jun 2017 FSH 8.2 / 14 Nov 2017 FSH 17.7 Dec 2017 Blood Cholesterol: 3.9 (Normal) / Kidney Function (Normal) / Blood Sugar (Normal). December 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Food panel allergy (bloodwork) analysis - a few "VERY LOW/VL" allergens; Mar 2018 "Genova Diagnostics" SIBO urine analysis: High Level of Yeast/fungal markers found in small intestine but NO SIBO.  April 2018 Thyroid (Normal) / Full Blood Count (Normal) / FSH (Normal). 16 April 2018 Started anti-Candida diet - 3 month protocol.   25 March 2020 All test results "Normal". CRP" 5 mg/L (normal range to 0-5 mg/L).

Symptoms:  Flu-like symptoms, anxiety, anhedonia, sinus headaches right-side (severe), IBS issues/reflux (severe)**, tinnitus, fatigue, inner tremor, nausea, chills/hot flushes, pounding heart, muscular issues including stiff left hip flexor, intense anger, PSSD (ongoing).  **Histhamine intolerance (suspected).

Major Life Events: 

Re-located to UK from Canada: Jan 2016

My father died: 5:05pm, Monday 5 Feb 2018 Last Lexapro dose: 16 April 2018 (its now been over a year since I quit ADs)  Moved house: Friday 23rd February 2018  "Divorced" toxic Mother: Monday 26 March 2018 Starting working again: 19 November 2018  Diagnosed with: 5th August 2021 PTSD/C-PTSD Diagnosed with: March 2022 Interstitial Cystitis (IC)/Painful bladder syndrome

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27 minutes ago, Junglechicken said:

Sending you supportive vibes PB, and sorry to hear about the infections, that's really rough.

 

You are not alone in this struggle I can assure you.....every new day brings possibilities, we're just not necessarily in the right place to be able to see them or be open to them.

 

i really hope you get some relief from being in pain very soon.

 

JC xx

 

 

Thanks JC your very kind with dealing with your own nightmare also .

I was in the kitchen there finding something to eat and when I opened the fridge a thought comes into my head  "surely theres a good book in all this suffering ";).

Be safe and take care .

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