Rabe Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Hi Hazel, I think its difficult to tell whats causing what...anxiety causing emotions, emotions causing anxiety...cause as they have said it just becomes a spiral . Recently read about that .... about noticing it, affirm it is not a true emotion but a neuro emotion caused by the withdrawal so doesn't warrant your attention, distract as Rosetta said and change the channel...get off that track...perhaps doing that might even lower the wave a tad. I personally took up some crafts to distract. You could knit everyone you know a scarf for winter. Just kidding! You are such a kind wonderful person! Take care!! -Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016 -Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. -November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17, -20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day -Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17 -Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg 5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded -4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19 -July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, -7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25 -1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg, 1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit 1/week,Reacted Mag prn Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 Thank you so much Carmie! I so appreciate all of the support and helpful advice from everyone today. You all helped me get through one of the worst days ever-thank you! Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, Rabe said: Hi Hazel, I think its difficult to tell whats causing what...anxiety causing emotions, emotions causing anxiety...cause as they have said it just becomes a spiral . Recently read about that .... about noticing it, affirm it is not a true emotion but a neuro emotion caused by the withdrawal so doesn't warrant your attention, distract as Rosetta said and change the channel...get off that track...perhaps doing that might even lower the wave a tad. I personally took up some crafts to distract. You could knit everyone you know a scarf for winter. Just kidding! You are such a kind wonderful person! Take care!! Thanks so much Rabe! you are so kind and wonderful!! I really appreciate all of the support. Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Songbird Posted May 1, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 1, 2018 18 hours ago, Hazel said: I have a question for anyone that might be able to help. Much of this wave is around neuro-guilt about something I did back in high school over 20 years ago. I know the guilt is out of proportion to what I did (cheated in a class), but it still makes me feel awful and the anxiety goes sky high. I guess I am wondering how to manage the guilt to keep it from ramping up my anxiety constantly. I’m honestly not sure if the anxiety causes the guilt or the guilt causes the anxiety, but it’s pretty awful, and I feel like it’s preventing me from getting out of this wave. (Or is the wave the cause for the neuro guilt?!). Any thoughts are appreciated. There are several things going on here. I think these drugs kind of suppress the difficult parts of ourselves, and in withdrawal all our issues can re-emerge in an exaggerated form. It's like you swept the problem under the rug, but now the rug is getting a big shake-up. Then your emotions can all be amplified in w/d so everything feels more intense. Then you start ruminating about it as well (another w/d symptom) and that makes you anxious, and of course your anxiety gets amplified by w/d, and then you start ruminating about the anxiety as well. I find the best tool for this kind of problem is mindfulness. That is, you are the observer in your mind and you just watch what is going on - kind of like you're a scientist studying some phenomenon. The idea is that the observer is objective and does not get involved in the drama or pass any judgment on it. Your goal is not to try to stop it happening, but just let it happen and accept it instead of getting upset by it. Many years ago I named the negative voice in my mind the "Doomcloud", and by giving it a name it helped me to feel that this negative voice was not "me". It's just the mind going in circles ruminating on negative thoughts. When the Doomcloud started doing its thing, I could just observe it happening and say to myself "oh, there's the Doomcloud again". This helped immensely to step back from all the negative thoughts and emotions, to be less involved in them, and by getting some distance from them, they felt less intense and not nearly as upsetting or frightening. Other people come up with their own names for this voice ("Chatterbox", "monkey mind," "demon", or whatever), so maybe making up your own name for it might help you to begin the mindfulness process. 2001–2002 paroxetine 2003 citalopram 2004-2008 paroxetine (various failed tapers) 2008 paroxetine slow taper down to 2016 Aug off paroxetine2016 citalopram May 20mg Oct 15mg … slow taper down2018 citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg 18 Nov 3.8mg 2019 15 Mar 3.6mg 21 May 3.4mg 26 Dec 3.2mg 2020 19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg 2021 29 Aug 2.4mg 15 Nov 2.3mg Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 Thank you Songbird for the advice. I will definitely try naming the negative voice. I think it is helpful to remind ourselves “this is not me” and know it is all part of the withdrawal process. Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus SkyBlue Posted May 1, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Hazel said: Thank you Songbird for the advice. I will definitely try naming the negative voice. I think it is helpful to remind ourselves “this is not me” and know it is all part of the withdrawal process. I love Songbird's advice about mindfulness. I've heard some people use the phrase "This is my withdrawal mind." Whichever phrase is used, it's super helpful and important to remind ourselves that "this is not me." 2020: After 18+ years (entire adult life) on Paxil, a dangerous doctor-led "taper" in 2015, and four years tapering off the last 1 mg thanks to SA and the Brassmonkey slide, I AM COMPLETELY FREE OF PAXIL! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Forever. 2021: Began conservative, proper, CNS-respecting taper of Zoloft, led by the only expert on me -- me. Making own liquid. 5-10% plus holds. 2022: Holding on Zoloft for now. Current dose 47 mg. Hanging in, hanging on. Severe protracted PAWS, windows and waves. While I may not be doing "a lot" by outside standards, things are graaaaadually getting better. Yoga (gentle to medium); walks; daily breath practice; nutrition, fruits/veg; nature; water; EastEnders (lol); practicing self-compassion, self-care; boundaries; connection; allowing feelings; t r u s t ing that I, too, will heal. (--> may need to be reminded of this.) "You are not alone, and this is not the end of your story." - Baylissa Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 I completely agree SkyBlue. I repeat to myself, “This is not me, this is withdrawal” and it does seem to help. My withdrawal mind is good at convincing me that the terrible thoughts are real and something is really wrong with me, so repeating this helps. Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 Hi all, I am not doing well and am at the point where I just can’t keep going like this. The anxiety and guilt is just too much. I have a regular physical exam scheduled today and plan to talk to my doctor about what is going on. I don’t want to take more medication or change things up, but I am not sleeping and seem to just be getting worse. Something has to give. Altostrata-I don’t know if you’ll see this, but I was wondering if you could tell me a little more about how lamictal helped you with your withdrawal symptoms? I remember reading about it here somewhere. I just need to feel better. I can’t keep going on feeling this way. Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
DaveB Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 7 hours ago, Hazel said: Hi all, I am not doing well and am at the point where I just can’t keep going like this. The anxiety and guilt is just too much. I have a regular physical exam scheduled today and plan to talk to my doctor about what is going on. I don’t want to take more medication or change things up, but I am not sleeping and seem to just be getting worse. Something has to give. Altostrata-I don’t know if you’ll see this, but I was wondering if you could tell me a little more about how lamictal helped you with your withdrawal symptoms? I remember reading about it here somewhere. I just need to feel better. I can’t keep going on feeling this way. Hazel I am so sorry you are feeling this way. Are you having any good moments? I know when I am bad I just want to give up, but then when it fades it is like "what was the big deal?"I support you in whatever you decide to do, only you know what is bearable and what is not. Try to think back to the fact you were doing very well not too long ago, and remember it can get good again, just as easily and quickly as it gets bad. 2008 - October 28th, 2016: Zoloft 50 - 150 mgs, settled on 50mgs from 2011 - 2016. January 23rd - March 1st 2017: Zoloft 50mgs, direct switch to Lexapro. March 1st - May 1st 2017: Lexapro 10 mgs, down to 5mgs for a week, then off. June 1st - July 31st 2017: Paxil 20mgs, Lyrica 600mgs August 1st - September 30th 2017: Paxil 40mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs October 1st - November 12th 2017: Paxil 60mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs November 12th, 2017 - September 4th 2018: Paxil 40mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs September 4th - September 27th: Paxil 30mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs September 28th - November 7th: Paxil 20mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs (Also Testosterone Therapy started in June 2018 and ended in November 2018) November 7th 2018 - February 22nd 2019: Paxil 10mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs February 22nd 2019 - April 17th: Zyprexa 2.5mgs, Klonopin 1mgs April 17th - Now: Zoloft 25mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs, Klonopin .5mgs Link to comment
Rabe Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I was just going to say that yesterday morning you sounded good Hazel... -Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016 -Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. -November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17, -20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day -Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17 -Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg 5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded -4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19 -July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, -7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25 -1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg, 1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit 1/week,Reacted Mag prn Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 I had some relief late morning yesterday thru early evening, so that was nice. Bad anxiety again last night-no sleep. Today has been anxiety all day. Took the day off from work and just trying to get through. I’m not sure what to do at this point. Are you doing better today Dave? Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
Rosetta Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I'm sorry, Hazel. I wish I could help you. Heres the thread on lamictal http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/3769-lamictal-lamotrigine-to-calm-post-discontinuation-withdrawal-symptoms/ Maybe if you post there Alto will see it. Hugs, Rosetta https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25 2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born) 2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg 2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction) 2016 - Stopped Xanax Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown) Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone Drug free since Feb 2017 2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep Link to comment
DaveB Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 21 minutes ago, Rosetta said: I'm sorry, Hazel. I wish I could help you. Heres the thread on lamictal http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/3769-lamictal-lamotrigine-to-calm-post-discontinuation-withdrawal-symptoms/ Maybe if you post there Alto will see it. Hugs, Rosetta Yes anxiety dissipated late in the afternoon yesterday and last night and this morning I have been doing much better. 2008 - October 28th, 2016: Zoloft 50 - 150 mgs, settled on 50mgs from 2011 - 2016. January 23rd - March 1st 2017: Zoloft 50mgs, direct switch to Lexapro. March 1st - May 1st 2017: Lexapro 10 mgs, down to 5mgs for a week, then off. June 1st - July 31st 2017: Paxil 20mgs, Lyrica 600mgs August 1st - September 30th 2017: Paxil 40mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs October 1st - November 12th 2017: Paxil 60mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs November 12th, 2017 - September 4th 2018: Paxil 40mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs September 4th - September 27th: Paxil 30mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs September 28th - November 7th: Paxil 20mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs (Also Testosterone Therapy started in June 2018 and ended in November 2018) November 7th 2018 - February 22nd 2019: Paxil 10mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs February 22nd 2019 - April 17th: Zyprexa 2.5mgs, Klonopin 1mgs April 17th - Now: Zoloft 25mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs, Klonopin .5mgs Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, DaveB said: Yes anxiety dissipated late in the afternoon yesterday and last night and this morning I have been doing much better. Glad to hear it Dave. That gives me hope for myself. Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 39 minutes ago, Rosetta said: I'm sorry, Hazel. I wish I could help you. Heres the thread on lamictal http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/3769-lamictal-lamotrigine-to-calm-post-discontinuation-withdrawal-symptoms/ Maybe if you post there Alto will see it. Hugs, Rosetta Thanks Rosetta. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like my doctor will be very helpful. He told me to go back to 10 mg of Paxil and take hydroxyzine as needed. Looks like I’m on my own here. Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
DaveB Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Hazel said: Thanks Rosetta. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like my doctor will be very helpful. He told me to go back to 10 mg of Paxil and take hydroxyzine as needed. Looks like I’m on my own here. Not alone, you have us! :) 2008 - October 28th, 2016: Zoloft 50 - 150 mgs, settled on 50mgs from 2011 - 2016. January 23rd - March 1st 2017: Zoloft 50mgs, direct switch to Lexapro. March 1st - May 1st 2017: Lexapro 10 mgs, down to 5mgs for a week, then off. June 1st - July 31st 2017: Paxil 20mgs, Lyrica 600mgs August 1st - September 30th 2017: Paxil 40mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs October 1st - November 12th 2017: Paxil 60mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs November 12th, 2017 - September 4th 2018: Paxil 40mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs September 4th - September 27th: Paxil 30mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs September 28th - November 7th: Paxil 20mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs (Also Testosterone Therapy started in June 2018 and ended in November 2018) November 7th 2018 - February 22nd 2019: Paxil 10mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs February 22nd 2019 - April 17th: Zyprexa 2.5mgs, Klonopin 1mgs April 17th - Now: Zoloft 25mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs, Klonopin .5mgs Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 I know-and you are all so wonderful! Thanks Dave! Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 2, 2018 Administrator Share Posted May 2, 2018 Hazel, the very first thing I want you to do now is get into the practice of forgiving yourself. Every time one of those guilty thoughts comes up, recognize it, forgive yourself, and let it fly away. It might come back, you'll need to forgive yourself over and over. But you can do this. Was your last refill of Paxil any different from the prior one? Are you taking it at the same time each day? How do you feel 2 hours later? 6 hours later? 10 hours later? How old are your tablets? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 My last refill was the same-I checked the manufacturer and it is the same. I take the dose every day at 8:30 am. I don’t notice anything different in how I feel after taking it. Typically, mornings I have more anxiety and get some relief in early afternoon through early evening. Lately, nights have been bad beginning around 10:00 pm with high anxiety. Today there has been no relief-just constant anxiety. My tablets are about 2 months old. Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 3, 2018 Administrator Share Posted May 3, 2018 You are anxious before taking Paxil in the morning, is that correct? My guess is you may have hit such a low dose of Paxil that it is being metabolized very quickly. You are having breakthrough anxiety when it wears off in the evening into the morning. Then, after you take it, it takes several hours to take effect. Are you using a liquid? To test this theory, you might take your usual 7.5mg dose at 8:30 a.m. and 0.5mg at 8:30 p.m. Please let us know how you're doing. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 I am very anxious in the morning before taking the Paxil. I make my own liquid. I am at 7.5 mg, so should I take 7 in the morning and .5 at 8:30 pm? Thank you! Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 I also thought I should mention that on April 17 I took 1 mg of Xanax that I had from years ago. Could that still be causing this wave? Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
DaveB Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 14 hours ago, Hazel said: I also thought I should mention that on April 17 I took 1 mg of Xanax that I had from years ago. Could that still be causing this wave? I would say yes to be honest. Obviously we can't know for sure, but if withdrawal can manifest itself as a imbalance in the gaba/glutamate equilibrium, then it stands to reason a one time boost to gaba could disrupt that equilibrium to a greater degree as your system scrambles to deal with the lack of that one time gaba boost when it is gone. Just a theory, but it does make some sense that this could be causing the severity and length of this current wave. Do you exercise, I know many find it a mixed bag in withdrawal, but I am finding my days are very manageable when I workout in the AM. 2008 - October 28th, 2016: Zoloft 50 - 150 mgs, settled on 50mgs from 2011 - 2016. January 23rd - March 1st 2017: Zoloft 50mgs, direct switch to Lexapro. March 1st - May 1st 2017: Lexapro 10 mgs, down to 5mgs for a week, then off. June 1st - July 31st 2017: Paxil 20mgs, Lyrica 600mgs August 1st - September 30th 2017: Paxil 40mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs October 1st - November 12th 2017: Paxil 60mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs November 12th, 2017 - September 4th 2018: Paxil 40mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs September 4th - September 27th: Paxil 30mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs September 28th - November 7th: Paxil 20mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs (Also Testosterone Therapy started in June 2018 and ended in November 2018) November 7th 2018 - February 22nd 2019: Paxil 10mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs February 22nd 2019 - April 17th: Zyprexa 2.5mgs, Klonopin 1mgs April 17th - Now: Zoloft 25mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs, Klonopin .5mgs Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 Hi Dave. I am thinking the Xanax must be contributing to this wave as well. My anxiety is so high and so constant. I have not experienced a wave like this before, so I feel that must have done something to really mess things up. I do go for walks most days and find them to help. I try not to over due it with exercise because I have read it can make things worse if you push too hard. How are things going for you? Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
DaveB Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hazel said: Hi Dave. I am thinking the Xanax must be contributing to this wave as well. My anxiety is so high and so constant. I have not experienced a wave like this before, so I feel that must have done something to really mess things up. I do go for walks most days and find them to help. I try not to over due it with exercise because I have read it can make things worse if you push too hard. How are things going for you? I am really doing ok. Had a good night Tuesday night, followed by a pretty good day yesterday. Went for a morning lap swim (once upon a time I was a collegiate Water Polo player, feels like a different person from this person I have been these last 15 months) and doing pretty well so far today. Anxiety is creeping around, but I am managing. 2008 - October 28th, 2016: Zoloft 50 - 150 mgs, settled on 50mgs from 2011 - 2016. January 23rd - March 1st 2017: Zoloft 50mgs, direct switch to Lexapro. March 1st - May 1st 2017: Lexapro 10 mgs, down to 5mgs for a week, then off. June 1st - July 31st 2017: Paxil 20mgs, Lyrica 600mgs August 1st - September 30th 2017: Paxil 40mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs October 1st - November 12th 2017: Paxil 60mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs November 12th, 2017 - September 4th 2018: Paxil 40mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs September 4th - September 27th: Paxil 30mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs September 28th - November 7th: Paxil 20mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs (Also Testosterone Therapy started in June 2018 and ended in November 2018) November 7th 2018 - February 22nd 2019: Paxil 10mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs February 22nd 2019 - April 17th: Zyprexa 2.5mgs, Klonopin 1mgs April 17th - Now: Zoloft 25mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs, Klonopin .5mgs Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 3, 2018 Administrator Share Posted May 3, 2018 15 hours ago, Hazel said: I am very anxious in the morning before taking the Paxil. I make my own liquid. I am at 7.5 mg, so should I take 7 in the morning and .5 at 8:30 pm? Thank you! Yes. How long do you keep the liquid? Do you keep it in the refrigerator? 15 hours ago, Hazel said: I also thought I should mention that on April 17 I took 1 mg of Xanax that I had from years ago. Could that still be causing this wave? Yes, it might have caused a paradoxical reaction. Be sure to note every drug you take in your symptom notes. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 I keep the liquid in the refrigerator for about 1 week. (I make up a batch with 5 10mg tablets at a time). Altostrata, have you known people to get this worse after more than a year of slow tapering. I just am feeling so hopeless right now because each day seems to be worse than the last. Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 3, 2018 Administrator Share Posted May 3, 2018 Hazel, I believe you are moving in to a phase where taking Paxil twice a day might help. The lower you go, the faster the drug is leaving your body. You are getting breakthrough withdrawal symptoms. If dividing the dose works, you will be able to continue tapering. Please keep daily notes to see if you get a different symptom pattern on day 7 of your homemade solution compared to day 1. Could be day 7 is a little weaker. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 Thank you Alto. I did try taking 7 mg this morning and will take the other .5mg when I get home this evening. Today has been a horrible day. Anxiety with very little breaks. I will start making smaller batches of my liquid from now on just in case. Thank you so much for your help. 1 hour ago, Altostrata said: Hazel, I believe you are moving in to a phase where taking Paxil twice a day might help. The lower you go, the faster the drug is leaving your body. You are getting breakthrough withdrawal symptoms. If dividing the dose works, you will be able to continue tapering. Please keep daily notes to see if you get a different symptom pattern on day 7 of your homemade solution compared to day 1. Could be day 7 is a little weaker. Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
Rosetta Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Thinking of you, Hazel. https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25 2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born) 2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg 2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction) 2016 - Stopped Xanax Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown) Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone Drug free since Feb 2017 2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Rosetta said: Thinking of you, Hazel. Thank you Rosetta-still struggling, but hanging on. Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
wantrelief Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Hazel said: Today has been a horrible day. Anxiety with very little breaks. Hi Hazel - I have been following your journey and am so sorry you are going through such a rough time. I feel for you and hope this eases soon. -1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper (essentially CT); withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD) -10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin after 4 mos. Several unsuccessful slow tapers of Zoloft; went up and down in dose a lot -Spring 2013 back on 1 mg Klonopin to counter WD symptoms; switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to 35 mg citalopram -Two attempts at slow tapering citalopram, always increased dose due to WD; also increased Klonopin to 1.25 mg in 2014, then to 1.5 mg in 2015 -8/17-9/17: After holding one year at 20 mg, feeling withdrawal symptoms due to stress - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?) - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg). Supplements: fish oil; magnesium; vitamin D3; curcumin Citalopram taper: 2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg I 2020: 10.89 mg - 7.9 mg I 2021: 7.8 mg - 5.26 mg I 2022: 5.2 mg - 3.36 mg I 2023: 3.3 mg - 1.47 mg 2024: 1/5/24: 1.44 mg; 1/19/24: 1.40 mg; 1/26/24: 1.37 mg; 2/2/24: 1.34 mg; 2/9/24: 1.31 mg; 2/23/24: 1.28 mg; 3/1/24: 1.25 mg; 3/8/24: 1.22 mg; 3/15/24: 1.19 mg; 3/29/24: 1.17 mg; 4/5/24: 1.14 mg; 4/13/24: 1.11 mg Link to comment
Rosetta Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Hugs. https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25 2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born) 2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg 2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction) 2016 - Stopped Xanax Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown) Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone Drug free since Feb 2017 2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep Link to comment
Hazel Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 32 minutes ago, wantrelief said: Hi Hazel - I have been following your journey and am so sorry you are going through such a rough time. I feel for you and hope this eases soon. Thanks so much wantrelief. The support here really helps getting through these tough times. Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016 I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize. Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016 Paxil December 2016 to present. Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders. Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg. 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm. July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3 August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night. Link to comment
Rosetta Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Thank you @Hazel so muc for your note on my thread! https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25 2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born) 2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg 2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction) 2016 - Stopped Xanax Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown) Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone Drug free since Feb 2017 2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep Link to comment
Rabe Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Thinking of you Hazel and hoping things get better soon!!!!! -Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016 -Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. -November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17, -20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day -Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17 -Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg 5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded -4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19 -July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, -7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25 -1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg, 1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit 1/week,Reacted Mag prn Link to comment
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