virgo43: severe symptoms

[virgo43]

Dear Beloved Friends;

 

Here is my weekly summary of symptoms.

I am not doing well.

 

Yet again, I am still not able to forget the day I was put on medication and was forced to continue...

 

 

July 23-30th, 2017.xlsx

[virgo43]

To my friends, family members and others who have deserted me, who always accuse me because of my troubles, who always blame me for my pain, who always keep telling me, "you don't want to get better" I showed them this website and the fellow sufferers.....

 

You don't want to hear what they said...

 

My original doctor who poisoned me, refuses to take care of me.

none of the doctors are willing to take care of me.

 

I started taking supplements and don't see that much of a difference, magnesium gave me a major headache.

 

My life is a constant struggle. Me and terry4949 have been suffering greatly.

 

 

 

 

[virgo43]

every day I go to sleep they keep coming.

 

When will the heat wave come?

When will I heal?

What will I do?

 

If not the pain...the ocd will destroy me.

 

I am in constant loops. Daily hourly.

 

The symptoms are terrible and so is the expectation.

 

Can someone please help.

[virgo43]

Question 1.

I sent my weekly outline

Question 2.

Why are always the victims blamed.

Question 3.

What is EMDR. I know what it is but is it useful?

 

Question 4.

If I go to an addiction clinic would they understand? I don't know what to do next.

 

Question 5.

Take the supplements and continue with life? How is that possible with the headache.

 

Question 6.

Is there an ssri comparison chart.

 

Question 7.

I went to utube/google and entered how to up regulate receptors..nothing much came up. What is inisitol...

 

Question 8. 

Here in the website we promote being drug free. Understood but what about drugs to upregulate receptors.

 

Question 9

Mdma seems to also down regulate receptors how do these people who often use mdma get treated.

 

Question 10.

Every psychiatrist I have been to gives another diagnosis. Why?

 

Question 11.

Fda aren't they aware of the dangers of these so called meds.

[ChessieCat]

There are many existing topics on this site.  Check out Symptoms and self-care especially the topics pinned at the top of the page.

 

Also you can either use the site search function (top right of the page) or a search engine.  I prefer to google.  To search this site I use google and type in survivingantidepressants.org + topic which I am researching.  For example to find EMDR type in survivingantidepressants.org EMDR.  To find discussion on clinics type in survivingantidepressants.org clinic.  Do the same for survivingantidepressants.org OCD.

 

My website has a list of things that I have found on the internet.  If you go to the bottom of this page http://adwithdrawal.weebly.com/information-links.html  there are links to Self Help including EMDR.

 

If you haven't seen this topic there is a lot of information and links here:  Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

These might help you to understand how the medical profession make their diagnoses.

 

Video:  Dr James Davies:  The Origins of the DSM (35 minutes)

 

Video:  The DSM:  Psychiatry's Deadliest Scam (1 hour 20 minutes)

 

I also suggest you check this out:  Effects of Stress on the Body

 

Edited July 30, 2017 by ChessieCat

[virgo43]

Had a very difficult night and had to stay in bed all day.

There is severe headache. 

Some people can not heal I guess...

This is a very difficult situation. 

Can't quit drugs as the symptoms will lead to cns dysfunction anf fight flight response

Can't take drugs as the daily fluctuations are very bothersome...

 

The moderators suggested staying on current dose but I never read anybody suffering depending on water intake....

[virgo43]

No matter how slow I taper there will be major intolerable withdrawal symptoms. 

 

Can someone please explain what sort of professional help I should seek? 

 

 

[virgo43]

No matter how slow I taper there will be major intolerable withdrawal symptoms. 

 

Can someone please explain what sort of professional help I should seek? 

 

Supplements dont seem to work much. 

My symptoms were burning chest and body and severe anxiety and migraines. I haven't stabilised at any dose.

 

Please help. 

I read the entries many many times

 

My ocd the fact that my doctor forced me to continue despite ER is the major contributing factor to my sadness.

Dear powerback suggested techniques but....

[ChessieCat]

4 hours ago, virgo43 said:

Dear powerback suggested techniques but....

 

but what?  We are not mind readers.  It would be helpful if you completed the sentence so we know what comes after the ...

[ChessieCat]

4 hours ago, virgo43 said:

Can someone please explain what sort of professional help I should seek? 

 

Maybe find a counsellor or psychologist who can teach you non drug techniques.  It might take visiting a few different ones to find the "right" fit for you.  I have done an online course and also lots of researching and reading.  However, it is no good just learning techniques, they need to be practised and used when necessary.  This is something that only you can do.  It can be hard, but with practice it can become second nature or at least easier.  Setting a timer to remind you to practice throughout the day can help you to remember.  We need to form new, helpful habits.

[powerback]

4 hours ago, virgo43 said:

No matter how slow I taper there will be major intolerable withdrawal symptoms. 

 

Can someone please explain what sort of professional help I should seek? 

 

Supplements dont seem to work much. 

My symptoms were burning chest and body and severe anxiety and migraines. I haven't stabilised at any dose.

 

Please help. 

I read the entries many many times

 

My ocd the fact that my doctor forced me to continue despite ER is the major contributing factor to my sadness.

Dear powerback suggested techniques but....

hi Virgo its very tough dealing with iatrogenic illness .

I've  spent 7 months trying to cope with the worst of my withdrawl ,only now do i think i can pick up my taper again ,but this has been because of the moderators and navigating this site for answers and similar stories .

It takes loads of time .

there was times i wanted to be sedated i was so bad .

you are in an extreme anxiety spiral.

we have to take control and responsibility for our own  recovery

Friday gone i spent the whole day resting in bed ,i didn't  think of it as  negative ,i thought ok my body is saying rest ,don't fight your body .

if our minds are else were like family and doctors not believing us ,this is pointless wasted time, we need to focus on everything to do with recovery .

this is my third taper and nothing is coming before it ,I've suffered to much.

If you don't believe it will get better then your working against yourself .

great sympathy to you ,take care .

PB

[FalseGods]

Hi again Virgo,

 

Unfortunately there is no magic wand that can be waved to bring you immediate relief. I hear that you are looking for some magical piece of information or action you can take that will make you feel better straight away, but this cannot be. 

 

It will take time for your symptoms to pass, but how long is anybody's guess. You need to be strong and focus on yourself and try to move away from thoughts about those who have let you down. You will heal, but it will take longer than a few days, so you must practice patience and try to do everything you can to stay well and sane.

 

As far as I know, there is no specific cure or treatment for up regulation of receptors. This is something that the brain does by itself over time. I was a heavy MDMA user for a number of years and it seems that your brain can recover itself over a long period of time. Imagine my annoyance to find out that SSRIs have redone that damage! It will take a lot of time. This particular part of the story will not be the entire solution to your symptoms. The reason we are all here is because there is little that professional medicine can do to help at this point. 

 

Here is some information about Inositol. There don't appear to be any interactions with Zoloft, but be very wary of adding new drugs to the mix if you are unwell.

 

 

[virgo43]

Dear friends.

Thanks a lot. 

I was bed-ridden for a few days and slowly losing my health. My blood values are showing hypo-glicemia, and high cholesterol, and testesterone is very low, prolactin is very high...

 

Lack of movement is causing a lot of health issues. 

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Yet another terrible night. Every day at around 5 am to 7am I am experiencing severe symptoms, they seem to escalate further and further and getting longer.. Also at around 5pm similar stuff is happening. I also had anxiety and dry mouth this time. Going worse and worse daily. 

 

My symptoms are increasing in intensity. CNS system is in over drive. 

 

I have been going to counselling and psychotherapy for a while, but it hasn't helped with the symptoms and the pain.  

There is no way to deal with the symptoms other than curl up in bed.

 

Spoke with a addiction specialist he didn't believe me. I wanted him to witness the symptoms and offer a solution, asked his opinion I took some notes and printed documents from  ChessieCat's own website but they are refuting the whole story. They are saying I am arrogant and act like I am special. One doctor said I have lost touch with reality and lost control of real life and I am borderline some other illness. He even said, drinking too much water is another form of illness.

 

Sorry I couldn't finish the sentence because I was having a very depressive moment, nothing seems to be helping me. The friends in this site are being very helpful, I am not looking for a magic wand but my health is slowly deteriorating. I don't think I can recover before my body gives away. 

 

Can't convince a single soul amongst my friends and family that it is SSRI damage. I used to be self sufficient never ever asked help from others, and now they are constantly yelling at me. You don't listen to doctors, you don't want to get better, you are a loser, and all sorts of insults... my brother who took me to doctor and then ER and forced me to take drugs no longer talks to me. He insults me, accuses me of reading "rubbish" from online and not trusting the doctors. 

 

All the advice and the help has been given, and that is about what I can get...I am fully aware of that. That is basically the whole story. 

 

Thanks a lot. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[powerback]

3 hours ago, virgo43 said:

Dear friends.

Thanks a lot. 

I was bed-ridden for a few days and slowly losing my health. My blood values are showing hypo-glicemia, and high cholesterol, and testesterone is very low, prolactin is very high...

 

Lack of movement is causing a lot of health issues. 

.

 

Yet another terrible night. Every day at around 5 am to 7am I am experiencing severe symptoms, they seem to escalate further and further and getting longer.. Also at around 5pm similar stuff is happening. I also had anxiety and dry mouth this time. Going worse and worse daily. 

 

My symptoms are increasing in intensity. CNS system is in over drive. 

 

I have been going to counselling and psychotherapy for a while, but it hasn't helped with the symptoms and the pain.  

There is no way to deal with the symptoms other than curl up in bed.

 

Spoke with a addiction specialist he didn't believe me. I wanted him to witness the symptoms and offer a solution, asked his opinion I took some notes and printed documents from  ChessieCat's own website but they are refuting the whole story. They are saying I am arrogant and act like I am special. One doctor said I have lost touch with reality and lost control of real life and I am borderline some other illness. He even said, drinking too much water is another form of illness.

 

Sorry I couldn't finish the sentence because I was having a very depressive moment, nothing seems to be helping me. The friends in this site are being very helpful, I am not looking for a magic wand but my health is slowly deteriorating. I don't think I can recover before my body gives away. 

 

Can't convince a single soul amongst my friends and family that it is SSRI damage. I used to be self sufficient never ever asked help from others, and now they are constantly yelling at me. You don't listen to doctors, you don't want to get better, you are a loser, and all sorts of insults... my brother who took me to doctor and then ER and forced me to take drugs no longer talks to me. He insults me, accuses me of reading "rubbish" from online and not trusting the doctors. 

 

All the advice and the help has been given, and that is about what I can get...I am fully aware of that. That is basically the whole story. 

 

Thanks a lot. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

virgo I really feel for you ,your coming  up against serious resistance all around you ,this will have to change if there's to be recovery .

I have very strong triggers so I don't even talk to people I used to ,because I cant control my snapping at a comment they make .I believe this is withdrawl not a personality flaw .

 

I cant remember were I read a story about a girl that struggled with family and the non belief of her troubles ,they caused her serious hardship ,years later the uncle turned around and asked for complete forgiveness because he ended up with the exact condition [mental health].total validation for her but way to far down the line .

 

I would never suggest you drop your family and friends that's your personal business but your going to have to do something ,siting around wanting and waiting for  all them to believe you wont make you better .

 

its brilliant to come here and be able to vent but it has to be  in parallel to recovery .

 

now obviously everybody is in different places in there life ,I don't need the friends I used to have they were of no use to me and I was no use to them anymore .

and actually this journey has shown up the fragility of the friendships I had  and that's a good thing ,there not worth my energy .

please for your sake learn were to put your valuable energy .

PB

 

[Terry4949]

Virtigo23 , I have been struggling for years and my wife has stood by me through thick and thin , but the last 6 months it has taken its toll on her , only last week she snapped at me and said she had listened to enough about it all and that we are going over the same old ground , for years she said everyday all I have listened to is you about the way you are feeling and suffering , she said in life all people suffer and that she has aches and pains , so in all the years I have known her it just goes to show that as much as they care for you only a sufferer can no how bad things are , I thought she truly understood but she can't , and so that is why family and friends turn on us as they think it will all end tomorrow if we just tried that little bit harder , I have said to my wife if I could wake up tomorrow and just go back to normal don't you think I would , but the meds have changed my brain and it can't just be fixed overnight , if my leg was in plaster everybody would ask how your doing and give it time , but people family friends have no idea about medication induced pain and long term suffering , so they get frustrated as they feel normal and want to get on with their lives , I think my wife has come to this stage now she has watched and waited for so long now and seen no improvement in me she wants to enjoy what she has left in her life , they get fed up of waiting , my wife's life has been on hold for so long I don't blame her , so you have to spare a thought for your family they are frustrated , they don't like seeing you like this but they are getting tired of it as they can't help you , so they loose patience, I think if it was my wife in my shoes I would probably feel the same 

 

[virgo43]

Thanks beloved friends. Thanks a lot. Highly appreciated. Read them over and over and over in tears...

[Skeeter]

Virgo,,

I spent a while reading you thread, and by the end of the first page, I had a pretty good idea of why you might be having so many issues. Part is from decreasing Zoloft far too quickly,  and  perhaps, mostly from Seoquel Please do not worry about getting DT's (Delerius Tremens) and dying from a heart attack.  DT is a term usually ony reserved for stopping alcohol cold turkey.  I noticed that you do not drink.  Yes, DT's can be severe and lead to death, but that is generally from decades of heavy drinking.  You should never, ever stop and anti psychotic or antidepressant cold turkey because you may live for years feeling worse that you do now.  Please read what we tell you carefully.  Note, you have given some info while I as working on this, as I had to keep taking breaks, read the link about Seroquel down near bottom to tell you what blood test show up unusual. I am quite ill currently, and cannot type any longer.  I updated this first paragraph last.

 

If you are seriously suicidal. please seek help.  I noticed another member gave you information of who to

 

Did you know prescribing Serquel for sleep as needed (or at all) is off-label prescribing?  That is generally legal for doctors  but this is NOT a preferred drug used for sleeping because of all of the wicked side effects including changes in your bloodwork, and your blood sugar being higher than it would be without the drug (that is very hard on your body). Seroquel is an atypical antipsychotic (NOT A SLEEPING PILL), and is for schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and MDD- things you would usually take it on a more regular basis for much more serious issues than sleep!  Did you look at the chart you made for us (labeled July 23-30th, 2017.xlsx), did you see how many liters of water you drank the day AFTER you too Seroquel at 10 pm?  It was doubl e you normal water intake compared with the days you did not take it!  Taking some antipsychotics on a regular basis have shown to cause those patients to die up to 20 years earlier than those who do not take this class of medication...  You are not taking it regularly, I only tell you what the studies found so that yo understand how bad this class of drug is to take, even once in a while!

 

I do think you are suffering from side effects from a drug, but I think most of it is Seroquel until recently, until you dropped down to 25mg of Zoloft, which was s fast, your body may not know whether it is coming or going!

 

SEROQUEL SIDE EFFECTS

Did you know that Seroquel can cause extreme thirst, fatigue,  also can cause your blood sugar to be quite high (the days after you take it,  possibly quite low the days you don't, because you might be going all over the place-, like you are turning into a diabetic (and make you feel like crap), If you can afford a glucometer and strips, you can check your own blood sugar at home. For most people  normal blood sugar is between 60-120.  Seroquel can cause arrhythmia's (including palpations), and can cause your bloodwork to change (several different values can be affected including your thyroid and others!!) It can affect your body by making you feel cold. It can also cause swallowing problems (dysphagia), sore throat (pharyngitis), tachycardia (fast heartrate), blurry vision. excessive sleep for some people when taking regularly.  Also can cause headaches, asthenia (physical weakness or lack of strength or energy), may make you more prone to heat stroke (which may explain why you felt so much worse after exercising and sweating).  It can cause chest pain, chest tightness, loss of appetite, weight gain.  It striked me how much your symptoms follow the classic signs /symptoms that come along with taking this medication.  Even though the half life is only 7 hours (the half life of a medication means that it takes 7 hours for your body to metabolize 1/2 of the medication in your body, it does not mean that the drug is totally out of your body in 14 hours, it can take longer depending on the drug, as that last little bit can take extr time for the boy to metabolize it, depending on what organ(s) metabolize it- usually your liver or kidneys), one account I read by a doctor (I am sorry I cannot find the link after I did so much research) says that the drug may be stored in muscle tissue for several days- but he did not state is source.and stay in your bofy for much longer.  Now if it is messing with you blood sugar, you may feel very moody and irritable. Seroquel can also cause some people to feel suicidal (although this can also happen to people who withdraw from antidepressants too quickly as well.

 

You are, in my personal opinion, also in serious withdrawal from dropping the Zoloft dose far, far too quickly.  I fully think you feel so crappy because of a mix of AD WD, and before this I think you were feeling so awful mostly because of the intermittent use of the Seroquel mixed with the Zoloft, esp at the highest dose!  Now it says you should not stop taking Seroquel suddenly, so please be honest, when you give your total history on how much you took Seroquel over the last year and currently (see asterisks below for how to obtain this information): How did you take it when you were first prescribed, vs  how many do you take in a regular week to sleep (or how many a month if that is easier).  No room for embarrassment here, I really need you to be 100% honest for how many pills you use in a month, because this could mean feeling much, much worse if you tell us less than you actually take, and you decide to follow how our site says to stop?, and you are not totally truthful. it can end badly, and I do not wish you to feel worse!  I am not accusing you of not being truthful, but I know sometimes we do not realize how much we depend on a drug when we feel so After you do that, please get a pattern of how you gave taken these pills since your very first bottle, including month, year, dose in MG, and how many pills per bottle- If you can look at your prescription history online (or call your pharmacy), you can do this quickly, and just lay out the information by month.  Make sure to ask when you started staking Seroquel (Possibly May of last year?), and see when you picked up every refill (unless you picked it up the same time every month with all of your other drugs- so if you have a bunch of pills left over, let me know, and I will help you if that is indeed the case, okay?  If you have been filling the Seroquel only when you need it, please get the dates and number of pills (and mg in each pill) you picked up, so e can figure out if you have been slowly decreasing your use (or increasing it) by sharing that information.  This is very important.  The mornings after you take Seroquel, how do you feel when you get up-  Drowsy?  Wide awake?  Something else?  How about the mornigs when you do NOT take Seroquel the night before?  Are those the mornings you wake up with anxiety.

Here is the information on Seroquel from Drugs.com.  it is my go-to site to learn about any drug.  Note: there are multiple pages, and read about ALL side effects, as I feel you may find some similarities!

Link:   General info on Seroquel (please read all pages, page 2 is Seroquel side effects in detail): https://www.drugs.com/seroquel.html

 

Signs and symptoms of antidepressant withdrawal:

So you know what is normal for withdrawal, please check out this list of the most common s/sx, so you can see that much of what you are going to are probably due to withdrawing too fast.  I believe someone suggested updosing on the Zoloft, and I think this will help you feel better.  Please do not just go up to 50mg, we can help you figure out how to get  to a good dose to hopefully help you feel better, and generally we advise a lower dose than recommended, because it is so much easier to do up than to give too much and make you feel even worse!

Here is the post that has the link to see the withdrawal signs and symptoms. The dose is all to you.  We will give you information on where someone would usually start depending when you last tapered and by how much, but you have input during the whole process.  We are ot doing anything to you, we are just giving you information based on the thousands of people's reports online and what worked for them.  Everything is open for discussion, so please discuss with us before changing doses on anything, because we can advise what we have seen happen if the dose you want to go back to is too high. The first link to the left on this post is a pdf link to Dr. Glenmillen's list of WD s/sx (you can print this out, or keep it on your computer and keep track of when you have which s/sx:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Note:  If you have any questions about anything I did not discuss here, please go to you favorite search engine, type in surviving antidepressants, and the term you would like to look for.  Most of the questions you have that I do not cover here can be answered this way.

 

FYI:  I do not reply to questions that should be addressed here on your thread in PM's, so please do not PM me with questions regarding your issues.  We are helping others by answering all questions that cannot be answered by a search like II explained just above under "NOTE:" on your thread, so that they can learn while you do, because so many people  read these threads and get their answers questioned this way.

 

Please read all links provided, I hope they help.  If you want to read about Zoloft, fo to www.drugs.com, and on the search line, type in Zoloft, but I know you have studied that drug to death, so I did not include it here.

 

Be well!

Skeeter  

P.S. Any mod should be able to answer dosing questions as well as I can.  Regarding questions about Seroquel, I learned almost everything by doing internet searches, so feel free to try that first if you have a specific question, just look for quality web sites, and verify the info on more than one site.  Please note that most mods are going through withdrawal themselves along with handling other life stressors, myself included, so we are here when we are able to be.  I only add this because I am ill currently, and unsure if I will be here later today or tomorrow.  Thank you for understanding.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

Edited August 1, 2017 by Skeeter
Updated first paragraph

[virgo43]

Dear Skeeter;

 

Thanks a lot for the kind long and informative message. I really appreciate your kindness, your time, your efforts. 

 

I also read your entries many times, very sorry to see you going through all that pain. My heart and prayers are with you. You are a fighter. 

 

I honestly wasn't aware of the side effects of seroquel. Only last week was a bit too much. That is all. . When I use it, I wake up with severe headache. Will be careful. Water intake and all the rest of the problems.... Thanks for the reminder. I have been checking my daily schedule and especially since after I came down to 25mgs of Zoloft the use increased and often break them in half... Once again, thanks a lot for the reminder. Very considerate of you. Will not use it anymore. No issues with that. Havent taken them for the last 3-4 days anyway. 

 

As for the main issue, the Zoloft problem. I have not found comfort nor stabilized at any dose of zoloft. CNS is completely out of alignment. How could such a down-regulation happen with ssri's Zoloft, really baffles me. Altostrata and ChessieCat have all mentioned them in their articles, websites. It doesn't take much to disrupt the system. 

 

Life time non-drinker, non smoker, never used any of the recreational drugs...

 

Please skeeter, please try to hang on, I can totally relate to your pain. Thanks a lot for writing so much despite all your issues. Very very kind of you. You can't imagine how much it means to me... 

 

 

 

 

[ChessieCat]

These helped me to understand.  They might help you too:

 

Brain Remodelling
Video:  Healing From Antidepressants - Patterns of Recovery
What is Happening in Your Brain

[Skeeter]

YOU CANNOT STOP TAKING SEROQUEL SUDDENLY!!!  There is a major warning about that.  Please do the homework I gave you on the Seroquel, at least on when your last refill was, how many pills you got, and how many you have left now.  Stopping Seroquel suddenly is a BIG no-no!  I am not well, but you need to get to get the last refill date and how many pills you were given, and how many you have now, and please be honest.  With the diabetes issue ad the changes in bloodwork, I do not think you inderstand how truly serious this can be,  Please do not sidestep this question.  No one will look badly on you here is you are taking more than you thought you were, or you were taing more before and only slowed down very recently.  It happens, but this medicine is not one you want to cross (either is Zoloft, but both will bite you if you taper to quickly).  If yo have been cutting back on this drug as fast as Zoloft, this is the more dangerous one from what I understand (and I do understand!).

 

Read what Chessie Cat was so kind to share, they are really great links. Thanks Chessie!

 

Still not well.  Please get me the current pill count, etc.  WIll check when I can.

[ChessieCat]

virgo, Skeeter knows what she is talking about and spent a long time making sure you got the correct information.

 

Please read through her post again, get the information she has asked for and post it.

 

Suggestions are made based on the information that members provide so it is very important for your own health and safety that you provide what is asked.

[virgo43]

Dear friends;

 

chessiecat and Skeeter;

 

First of all, sorry to hear that you are not well. Even though you are hurting,  you are trying to write. Very kind of you. I wish I could help you as well. Thanks a lot. Highly appreciated. Really really kind of you. 

 

I read all the links about seroquel, all the details, prescriptions, warnings. For the last 4 months I had 5-6 pills per month only. Often break them in half... Before that not that much. That is all.  The doctor insisted i take them daily but i am not going to add more drugs into the mix. My doctor even suggested I take abilify to stop the ocd. Well it is not ocd, it is anger, frustration and of course denial. 

 

My last refill was beginning of April, 30 tablets of 25mg and almost finished with that box. 5 pills left. That is it... Trust me. It is my health in line. So 24-25 pills for 4 months, is it that much to cause an issue? Maybe.

 

Both of you are more knowledgeable than doctors and you are very concerned, thank you.

 

While not ignoring the seroquel warning, and always watching out for the symptoms, I will be very very careful from now on. I haven't used them since last week. I will not use them ever again. Zoloft is my issue. 

 

Lets get back to to main topic, Today I started the fish oil supplements and had a surge of headache and palpitations. The system is so out of balance it makes me really worried. I just took the supplement and was reading SA website and then in an hour or so it came like a wave, and I was wondering what was going on, and had to lay in bed and was thinking what I did since the morning to trigger such a response and finally remembered the Omega 3. Is it? 

 

 

rom all my reading, I am guessing that, sunshine, food, Omega 3 causes a surge of neurotransmitters which are vasoconstrictor... well I dont know, just my uneducated poor guess. 

Balance counter-balance...

 

For your information, I had a period of crying and sadness for 40 days, I was able to do sports. Never had burning chest or back. Which means my serotonin levels were ok, since serotonin is converted into energy. My sleep was 4-5 hours too. Because i took the Zoloft, my problem turned into iatrogenic damage, mainly serotonin receptor down-regulation. 

 

As for my D.T. comment, it is like a domino effect, since CNS is out balance, the symptoms will escalate daily up until, I will no longer be able to sleep, eat and will drink water and experience severe hot flashes all day, which will inevitably cause loss of electrolytes.

 

 

 

 

[virgo43]

Permission to ask a question to ask one of the moderators...

[virgo43]

I keep reading day and night SA. I have read many success stories. Unfortunately I am in pain daily. Bed ridden for a week and haven't exercised for months. I am feeling mushy and slowly fading. Haven't had a day of comfort ever since that terrible day I took the ssri and ER. 

Supplements are not helping. 

Moderators mentioned even 3 weeks is enough to cause damage. 

U want to hear success stories but I am very sorry. 

I wasn't feeling good at any level. 

Sorry for the negative feedback. 

[ChessieCat]

6 hours ago, virgo43 said:

Permission to ask a question to ask one of the moderators...

 

You don't need to ask permission.  Just post any questions you have in your topic.

[virgo43]

I meant PM. 

[ChessieCat]

If you want to ask questions about your taper it is best to ask them in your topic.  This way your information stays in one place and can be seen by all the mods and can also help other members.

[virgo43]

Dear Friends;

 

Here are some updates. Questions. 

 

1. I found a doctor in Turkey, who has written a book, "Anti-depressants Trap", read the book, it does resemble, The story of an Epidemic, however doesn't really offer a solution to the problem. Yes receptor downregulation, ok fine but how do we up-regulate? 

 

I spoke to him a couple times and he doesn't seem to be knowledgeable about recovery and for his patients, he offers psycho therapy first for a few weeks and if not and prescribes minimal doses, lets say 25mg  Zoloft  or 5mg Lexapro, and doesn't increase it.. Carefully monitors the symptoms. A western style, wise doctor. Well I should have seen him in the beginning. He didnt seem to be able to offer much help.

 

I am still not over the fact the ER episode. Ok the doctor and my family forced me,  I myself should have stopped the god damn medication, spit it out.. yes they forced me, but it is your own body you decide to take whatever, they will not be there when you are suffering. "Oh sorry, we didn't know, it is what you think, don't believe the websites, there is rubbish online" is their answer. "You ruined your body because you cried for one month", is their response. Now they are nowhere to be found. They mess me up, and they leave. ... Thank you!!!

 

2. Is it possible for us to ruin the CNS system on our own. I read that hunger strike survivors, chemo-therapy patients, PTSD, heart attack survivors etc etc often experience CNS dysfunction, but can a person who is depressed for a while, can he/she disrupt the CNS system? What difference does it make? SSRI or self-inflicted. 

 

 

3. My opinion is simple, if the CNS is out of alignment, the slowest of the tapers are not going to help. A few members are suffering but they are able to sleep even for 3-4 hours. Morning anxiety or palpitations and hot flashes, and the lack of energy. 3 hours sleep is enough for me to endure all the rest of the pain, if I know I will heal. 

 

4. Still believe that my symptoms can lead to serious consequences, because when I dropped from 75-50mg I was losing weight very very quickly, had to rest at home for a few days and the system didnt stabilize. 

 

5. Water intake, sunshine, food intake, sleep, exercise, does seem to affect, is there anyone else with those symptoms. I hear noise and sunshine sensitivity but never read about food and water...

 

6. A friend of mine, who used Zoloft 100mg for 7-8 months 5 years ago, which minimal complaints, who tapered in 3 months, which is very reasonable, recently  started exhibiting signs such as morning anxiety, chest burn and palpitations...He told me his depression is coming back, .I immediately referred him to this website. I told him that his CNS is acting up, the SSRI's left a minor footprint he should immediately rest, take fish oil supplements.

 

It makes me wonder, is there anyone in this world, who has actually benefited from these meds? If so I am sure those are fast metabolizers, because their bodies completely metabolized the medication as if it wasnt there, and they recovered because of placebo effect. I read people on this blog who used SSRIs for 2 years and stopped cold turkey and nothing happened. Can't help but be jealous. 

 

7.  If you have a liver that quickly metabolized bio-toxins, fast metabolizer, no problem. 

If you are medium metabolizer, you are ok too, but can get a minor foot-print, you can recover with minor symptoms

If you are a slow metabolizer, you could be having some issues.

If you are 0 metabolizer,, you are in trouble for the rest of your life. These people if they are in the western world, end up in ER and their medication immediately stopped. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[virgo43]

Dear ms. Altostrata. 

Can u briefly summarize ur withdrawal. When u first took the medication did u have toxic reaction to it? 

 

 

 

Second it looks like I will not be able to convince doctors.

 

Is there hope for me. I am really worried even at 25mg most of my systems are failing.

My reaction was terrible all along. I am losing hope. As the pain resembles chemo...

 

Water intake

Sunshine 

Food

They all make difference

[Altostrata]

I did not have an initial toxic reaction to an SSRI, as you did.

 

You are among the small number of people who will have an immediate bad reaction to an SSRI. It will take a while before your nervous system recovers. You cannot force the receptors to upregulate -- we don't even know if that's the problem in situations like yours. All you can do is gently calm the nervous system and let it heal.

 

In the meantime, you can hurt it more by going off Seroquel too fast.

 

It sounds like you have at least found a sympathetic doctor. Please read One theory of antidepressant withdrawal syndrome

carefully.

[virgo43]

I wasn't on seroquel too long.

My problem is continuation of the drug despite serotonin toxicity. Which ruined my life.

The article exactly resembles mý  condition. My situation is even worse. I couldn't sleep for a few days and was having severe symptoms. 

Having difficult days. Came home spoke to the doctor he said there is not much they can do. Going to addiction center tomorrow. For sure they cant help either.

 

My brain due to toxicity and neuroplasticity have adjusted.

I am so sensitive even at 25 mg my systems are shut down.

 

I am sweating heavily as we speak. 

 

 

 

[virgo43]

How can I calm it? Cns is completely out of alignment.

[virgo43]

I had severe toxicity and due to negligence was forced to continue. Can't convince anyone about it. 

The article quoted is amazing

[virgo43]

Thanks everyone. 

As mentioned within 12 hours I showed severe adverse reactions and within a week I guess the damage was done. 

[virgo43]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3865832/

 

 

Detailed description. It says patients and the drug is immediately stopped.

 

If u trust the negligent doctors like me u get scarred. 

[Skeeter]

Virgo,

April to Aug with 5 pills left. I can see with how Seroquel cuses a very high blood sugar, that the time you do ot take it, your blood sugar plummets, and your blood values seem to be following the Seroquel issues that others report, if you looked at your blood value issues and compared it to the drugs.com link I gao urge to do anything or go anywhereve you.  Are your blood values that are off the same ones that drugs.com on the "side effects" page match up? Thank you so much for the information. about your script.  I was getting quite upset that you ignored me.  I would rather hear something like "I will not be providing that information" rather than being ignored, esp when ill and still posting.and so very ill.  Hw long did it take you to go through the bottle before?  Also what day in April did you fill the last Seroquel script?  I honestly am stuck on the

 

SO You know that I am aware of what you are going through, I sent 6 months gong in and out of serotonin syndrome, and was hospitalized for 3 days, and like you misdiagnosed despite the fact that I had a textbook presentation.  If you ad a bad reaction at the beginning, and if your body can learn to tolerate the drug, you can taper how we describe.  If you are not willing to updose, then , IMO, you are going to need to hold until your body catches up, possibly, but I will ask others on this.  Most of the signs and symptoms yu are describing right now are severe withdrawal symptoms with these new symptoms.  Now with the other issues, I think it is clearly the Seroquel but another mod may have a different take on that.  Your most interesting statement to me was that you admit that you felt better on 50 mg than 25mg you are on now.  I do not understand why you will not try tiny amounts of an updose of Zoloft.  Maybe if you explain it to me, I can address your fears. I am not trying to tlk you into something you do not want to do, I m only explaining how we get to the logic we have here on this huge site, and other sites and books we have read  We would only talk about going up a very small amount at a time, and seeing how you react.  DO NOT go back to 50 mg!!!.  There really are not any downsides, because if you body rebels, we go back to the old dose you felt okay at, but if you are not open to the idea, or are negative about trying, it will not work, because you do no think it will, and you will not pay attention to know if you are feeling better or not  If you truly wish to try, we will help you, as we want you to feel better.  What it usually means if you do not even try is that you increase your suffering time, possibly, and while I am very convinced that your current issues have to do with Seroquel since you started both at the same time, esp with your bloodwork issues, which Zoloft does not cause, but Seroquel DOES!  I think you are in awful AD withdrawal, plus feeling like crap from the Seroquel (not unusual with antipsychotics).  In the hospital, did they force you to take Seroquel only at night, or did they have you on a higher dose at first, either all at night, or 2 separate doses a day?  I ask because you may have been slowly lowering your dose over the last year without realizing it, and that is very important to know. 

 

Are glucometers (blood sugar meters) available over the counter in your country (they are here, it just tests blood sugar).  Can you afford one?  Or if you have country paid healthcare or health insurance, since you ae looking to be pre-diabetic, will they give you one with your insurance?  Low blood sugar can explain moodiness, no urge to do anything or go anywhere, feeling better after meals sometimes, feeling worse when you miss meals, etc.  I myself was also was bedbound (for a year) after the doc messed with my meds.  Being bedbound on is own, if you are otherwise healthy, is usually not enough to push you over the edge with your health.  Seroquel can give that extra push, and it screws with your blood sugar, as I have shared before.

 

 What are your specific worries about updosing a little bit with the Zoloft?  I am not challenging you on this, I am simply asking a question.  You are always in control, I cannot make you do anything.  Sometimes people have a misunderstanding how things work, so we try to explain things so you understand our view.  We do not expect you to agree with everything, we just state while we have a certain view, and give you links.  On the internet there are all sorts of info that disagrees with other info  Just like you say within a week, the damage was done in your brain.  That may not be true.  Actually the amount of time does not usually work quite like that, and for people that felt awful going on, but sort of plateau into feeling a little better, like you at 50 mg, that is a sign for you to slowly taper from a point where you are feeling more like you did at 50 mg, except you will not need quite as much  Zoloft now, since you dropped a little while ago. if you  continue to force yourself to come off quickly, like you have been, chances are you are going to end up with, or prolonged withdrawal which can leave you feeling awful for 3-4 years in some cases, and we do our best to stop that from happening.  However, if you are convinced tht you are gong to come off quickly, all I can say is be prepared, as it will not make you feel better to get off of the drugs as soon as possible (some people do say you do not start to heal until you get the drugs out of your system, but this is FALSE.  It was something someone said a long time go, and has been proven over and over to be wrong!  That statement has caused more pain and suffering in benzodiazepine and antidepressant withdrawal than anything else I know!  If you continue to  come off quickly like you are, you could end up with severe symptoms for YEARS.  I do not wish that on you.  Your 2 options 1. hold at 25mg until things calm down, which can take several months to a year, possibly, or 2. updosing slowly and carefully until you feel a bit better, sit there until you normalize (easier since you will be more comfortable), then taper slowly since you are feeling better, and can function better.

 

How to calm your CNS?  There is only one way we know that can help, that is updosing slowly on the AD and waiting between each small updose, like you did at 50mg (your body does not need as much to feel lie that now until you feel well enough, if you choose to try it, until you feel better, it is the only known "cure" for AD WD. which is CNS dysfunction.  No other cure but time.  You can chose to suffer along as you are right now, even though you admit to feeling better on a higher dose.  SO as you see, we are only trying to help you feel better.  But you can choose what you wish to do.

 

For some people, their body does no like one of the 2 things we suggest to help the brain heal, Magnesium, or sometimes it does not like Fish Oil.  If you are feeling really unwell, stop one, try it for a while, if still unwell, stop that, and try the magnesium.  Usually people start with smaller doses (1/4 or 1/2), and work themselves up to higher doses, because your CNS is very sensitive, nd even normal OTC meds can affect you differently now.

 

I get the feeling you do not quite believe me on the Seroquel being so destructive, or that it seems to be causing the most major issues.  If you did the research on Seroquel like you did on Zoloft, you may believe me a bit more. Give it a try!

 

It is up to you to stop the Seroquel cold turkey but with yuor reluctance to share anything regarding that drug, I suspect you were or are taking it more often than you would like to admit, which is okay.  I cannot stop you from stopping it cold turkey, but  do your research on how to stop taking Seroquel, and the side effects from stopping it too quickly! 

 

Can you afford an inexpensive digital scale to weigh your Zoloft when updosing or tapering when the time comes?  If so let me know, and I can suggest an inexpensive ne for you, but if you have no income, I cn offer a very iex0ensive option, lease let me know.

 

Have yu gained or lost weight recently?  Are you overweight at all (I am not aking how much, I am just getting an idea to get your risk factors for diabetes).  Is anyone in your family diabetic?  How old are you?  Remember, no one knows who you are here!! Do you eat healthy foods, and how about all of your life, have you eaten foo, healthy food, or are you more like me, too busy, so I ate whatever oe where ever was available, so many times that was fast food!  Not now though, but I did eat badly for many years

 

Thanks!

Skeeter