DMV64: reinstate Saphris?

[DMV64]

4 minutes ago, JanCarol said:

Hey D - 

 

I think you're coming along nicely.  You've calmed down, accepted a plan, and I hope you won't be changing anything other than supplements before Christmas.  The silly season has a way of knocking us about, and the New Year is a great time to start a new taper.

 

I might agree with Alto - it may be that the Geodon is a good place to start, but that's months away yet.  Keep track of your symptom patterns and any changes in them as you settle down - these will be key in helping us figure out which drug is causing you the most strife.  It may be that the Saphris is where you want to start.  But we need to get you settled and grasp your symptom patterns!

 

We'll see how you feel about your afternoon anxiety in a month or two - it may be that you don't need to split the klonopin.  But if you are having breakthrough anxiety in the afternoon - and your klonopin is in the morning - it is not likely to be the klonopin at fault.  If in 1-2 months, this is still a consistent symptom pattern, Alto may have a point about the Geodon, or maybe the breakthrough anxiety is from Saphris.  In a couple months time we'll better know how much is drug effects, and how much is withdrawal effects.

 

Klonopin (I am not a benzo expert, but I looked up the half life) has a longer half life, and can cover a 24 hour period for most people .  You've been on it the longest, however, so breakthrough symptoms, tachyphylaxis (or "poop out") aren't unlikely.  But that your anxiety is in the afternoon (while the klonopin should still be strong in your system) points to something else.

 

I think what is making me angry is that your doctor gave you all this crap for depression and recovery, when really, you were suffering from klonopin side effects (and then Saphris side effects)  Egads, who thinks that's a good idea?  I'm sorry this has happened to you - but I'm glad that you are hearing us, and that you are sticking to the plan!

 

If you want to study up on "how to taper Geodon" you can read here (it's going to be a little more challenging than just splitting the klonopin)

Tips for Tapering off Geodon - Ziprasodone - Zeldox

You will want to learn about liquid tapers:
How to Make a Liquid from Tablets or Capsule

Using an Oral Syringe and other Tapering Techniques

You've got months to study these and get ready - I envy you this!  Not everyone here has the chance to get their ducks in a row before tapering!

 

Just for good measure, you might want to read over this:

Before You Begin Taper - What you Should Know  and Six Mistakes I've Made In Withdrawal

 

I hope you see the sun today!

Thank you! I am going to look at the links. I am wondering if the vyvanse drop off is part of the afternoon anxiety. Just an instinct ...

[JanCarol]

Hey D - 

1 hour ago, DMV64 said:

I am wondering if the vyvanse drop off is part of the afternoon anxiety

 

That's an interesting proposition!

 

Let's keep watching your symptoms.  I don't think we can drop the Vyvanse until we get more of your "brakes" down, but let's keep that in mind!

 

It makes sense, you take the Vyvanse to survive all those brakes.  Then, when it wears off - perhaps you panic a little bit as the brakes take over?  It is an interesting theory.

 

But we've got to get rid of some of those brakes first.

 

in due time!  Let's keep watching symptoms and wait for your withdrawals to settle.

 

Another thing for you to consider, is that withdrawal happens in Windows and Waves.  You may have a period of feeling better, when out of the blue (or after a stressor - even the tiniest stressor can set off a wave) symptoms will overwhelm you again.

 

The symptoms are frequently changing, as different systems affected by the drugs heal.  Bubble frequently describes it as rebuilding the World Trade Towers while people are still using the building - electricity will be out, or elevators on the fritz, while repairs are taking place.  Here is a list of most common symptoms, so that you don't need to get excited if your symptom pattern changes completely, as it is likely to do:

Dr. Joseph Glenmullen's Most Common symptoms of Withdrawal

 

In my experience from listening to people here at SA, there is often a major symptom which is consistent throughout withdrawal, but there may be a stackload of other symptoms that come and go as your body rebalances the damages caused by the drugs.  I'm not saying this to frighten you, I believe that forewarned is forearmed.  I wish someone had told me about withdrawal symptoms about 25 years ago (and maybe I would never have been "diagnosed").

 

Our bodies are amazing things.  The process of homeostasis is a miracle.  It's also exactly what the drugs mess with, and why rebalancing after the drugs takes so much time.  But it does get better, and our bodies are self regulating, and will balance again.  You are young, so have the possibility of getting out from under this with little harm.

 

I guess it's nighttime there - just a sliver of moon - so tomorrow - I hope you see the sun!

 

 

[DMV64]

10 hours ago, JanCarol said:

Hey D - 

 

I think you're coming along nicely.  You've calmed down, accepted a plan, and I hope you won't be changing anything other than supplements before Christmas.  The silly season has a way of knocking us about, and the New Year is a great time to start a new taper. I am sticking with the plan! Plus I am traveling over Christmas.

 

I might agree with Alto - it may be that the Geodon is a good place to start, but that's months away yet.  Keep track of your symptom patterns and any changes in them as you settle down - these will be key in helping us figure out which drug is causing you the most strife.  It may be that the Saphris is where you want to start.  But we need to get you settled and grasp your symptom patterns! Ok

 

We'll see how you feel about your afternoon anxiety in a month or two - it may be that you don't need to split the klonopin.  But if you are having breakthrough anxiety in the afternoon - and your klonopin is in the morning - it is not likely to be the klonopin at fault.  If in 1-2 months, this is still a consistent symptom pattern, Alto may have a point about the Geodon, or maybe the breakthrough anxiety is from Saphris.  In a couple months time we'll better know how much is drug effects, and how much is withdrawal effects. I do think it is possible the vyvanse is causing a kind of afternoon crash/

 

Klonopin (I am not a benzo expert, but I looked up the half life) has a longer half life, and can cover a 24 hour period for most people .  You've been on it the longest, however, so breakthrough symptoms, tachyphylaxis (or "poop out") aren't unlikely.  But that your anxiety is in the afternoon (while the klonopin should still be strong in your system) points to something else.

 

I think what is making me angry is that your doctor gave you all this crap for depression and recovery, when really, you were suffering from klonopin side effects (and then Saphris side effects)  Egads, who thinks that's a good idea?  I'm sorry this has happened to you - but I'm glad that you are hearing us, and that you are sticking to the plan! Me too!

 

If you want to study up on "how to taper Geodon" you can read here (it's going to be a little more challenging than just splitting the klonopin) Great info!

Tips for Tapering off Geodon - Ziprasodone - Zeldox

You will want to learn about liquid tapers:
How to Make a Liquid from Tablets or Capsule

Using an Oral Syringe and other Tapering Techniques

You've got months to study these and get ready - I envy you this!  Not everyone here has the chance to get their ducks in a row before tapering! I know. I feel very grateful.

 

Just for good measure, you might want to read over this:

Before You Begin Taper - What you Should Know  and Six Mistakes I've Made In Withdrawal

 

I hope you see the sun today!

 

[DMV64]

I would like to know more about what I see people calling dp and dr symptoms. Is this like the feeling I get when I am outside myself? What do they stand for? Today I was having a lot of what I know as disassociation while driving. It was very uncomfortable. Is there anything that helps?

[bubble]

Whenever you want to know about something google surviving antidepressants and that topic. (DP/DR)

 

Along with many others these are symptoms of a destabilized central nervous system and what helps is patient stability over time, slowing things down, treating yourself gently and compassionately, reducing stress and all the things to that effect. It just means our brain is not happy with what we are putting it through, is overwhelmed and is dissociating to protect itself from too much pressure and stimuli we are subjecting it too. Meditation, breathing exercises, calming and grounding exercises, yoga... it all helps.

[DMV64]

Todays symptoms with current supplements added

6:15AM: Wake with moderate panic. 

6:30AM: 5mg Vyvanse. 1 scoop Ultrainflammex, 2 teaspoons ground flax seeds, 1 scoop Progreens, Probiotic, 20mg gentle iron, 2 soft gel fish oil

7:00:  Have breakfast. Banana

7:30: Meditation 1mg Klonopin

8:30AM: Computer work

9:30AM: Teach kiddies

11:00AM: 100mg gabapentin

Noon : Teach yoga

1:30PM: 10 Mg Geoden and lunch

2PM: Feel anxious. Get out of house. Errands.

3PM: 1000 mg magnesium

4PM: Anxiety

4:30PM: 100mg gabapentin. 

5PM: 600mg calcium

7:30PM: eat dinner. 500 mg magnesium

8:30PM: 2 teaspoons ground flax seeds

Plan to take 2.5mg Saphris with .5 Cogentin at 10 before bed along . And 20 mg omeprazole. 100mg gabapentin.

[DMV64]

Hi everyone.

I am reading and getting much out of everyone's writing. I wish I could write more. It just seems like such a struggle right now. Some days are ok, some are hard. I know that is how it is. I try to "change the channel" and it works...but when I am feeling one of my many (i guess) neuro emotions I feel hopeless, like I know I have so far to go and it seems impossible. I know people here have done it and are doing it. I am holding and just starting with supplements. I cannot think about how long it will take me to get as free as I can because it is too much. So just like getting sober, I try to do it one day at a time. Not to get disappointed when I wake up with panic. Knowing it will pass. Try to reach out and say hi, and maybe someday be able to offer some experience, strength and hope. I don't know what "normal" is. I just know I want to feel better and more present and less drugged.

Thanks for reading

xoxo

-D

[DMV64]

9/29 with current supplements added

7:00AM: Wake with moderate panic. 

7:30AM: 5mg Vyvanse. 1 scoop Ultrainflammex, 2 teaspoons ground flax seeds, 1 scoop Progreens, Probiotic, 20mg gentle iron, 2 soft gel fish oil

7:45:  Have breakfast. Banana

8:30: Meditation 1mg Klonopin

9:30AM: Teach yoga

11:00AM: 100mg gabapentin

Noon : Lunch

1:00PM: 10 Mg Geoden and 12 step meeting

2PM: Feel anxious. Dentist appt. Meet up with daughter. Very tired.

3PM: Take daughter to lunch. Tired, out of it. Spacey.

3PM: 1000 mg magnesium

4:30PM: Anxiety

4:30PM: 100mg gabapentin. 

8:30PM: light dinner. 500 mg magnesium. 600mg calcium

8:30PM: 2 teaspoons ground flax seeds

Plan to take 2.5mg Saphris with .5 Cogentin at 10 before bed along . And 20 mg omeprazole. 100mg gabapentin.

[Altostrata]

Magnesium works better when you take it in smaller doses throughout the day.

[DMV64]

7 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Magnesium works better when you take it in smaller doses throughout the day.

Ok! Thanks for letting me know. 

[JanCarol]

Hey D!

 

On 27/09/2017 at 4:24 AM, DMV64 said:

I would like to know more about what I see people calling dp and dr symptoms. Is this like the feeling I get when I am outside myself? What do they stand for? Today I was having a lot of what I know as disassociation while driving. It was very uncomfortable. Is there anything that helps?

 

Our SA article has a bunch of stories by members and a few suggestions that might help.

 

Derealization and Depersonalization    (Oh, i see that Bubble posted this already, thanks Bubble!)

 

The best suggestion I've ever heard for dealing with it is Shep's:  be curious.  If you can turn your fear or judgement into curiousity, you will survive just fine - you might even thrive and learn something!

 

There's something to be learned, even from a state of DP or DR.  They often come hand in hand - I call them Tweedle DP and Tweedle DR, because for me, it helps to laugh at symptoms - to make fun of them.   I imagine them just like Lewis Carroll drew them, with their propeller hats, one on each shoulder, talking nonsense.

 

Here's a few other helpful articles about TweedleDP and TweedleDR:

Do You Feel like a Stranger to Yourself? Elena Bezzabova (Psych Today article on SA)  

https://selfhacked.com/2015/07/27/depersonalization-its-causes-and-potential-solutions/

and a whole manual for people to learn from!

http://www.dpmanual.com/

 

* * *

 

I looked up Ultrainflammex.  While Metagenics is a reputable brand, this product looks like what I call a "shotgun compound."  Like a shotgun, they put a spray of everything in the mix, in the hopes that something will hit a target and help.  You might drop this one, as there are some potential excitatory or contradictory - even contraindicated ingredients.  For example, L-Tyrosine should not be used in anyone with any heart issues, and L-Tryptophan should not be used by anyone in withdrawal.  It mixes calcium with iron (they bind together and neutralize each other).  The amino acids in here are in huge amounts and might contradict each other (for example Tyrosine and Theanine might be better taken seperately) - it would be better to get your aminos from a simple food such as beef or chicken bone broth, or barley water or pea protein (if you are vegan).  

Here's my Barley Water recipe.  I developed it as a tonic for my kidneys, but it is rich in aminos - in healthier, food-based amounts (not drug like amounts, as your supplement is):

Something just happened and I lost part of my post.

 

The advantage of bone broth is that it soothes inflammation, and heals the digestive tract.  

 

 

I agree with Alto that magnesium is better taken throughout the day, but you have some contraindications (like iron, calcium and gabapentin).  I seem to recall that Alto's favourite way to take magnesium is in a magnesium drink - dissolve a capsule in a drink, and sip it throughout the day.  In your case, you could start sipping at 1 pm, and keep sipping for the rest of the day.

1500 mg magnesium seems a little high, and might be causing a paradox.  While there's no one-size-fits all dose, many of us do well around 600 mg magnesium.

Something happened to this post, and it doesn't look like it did a minute ago - so I'm hoping that I remembered all that I lost, I'll go ahead and send this to you.

I hope you see the sun today!

[DMV64]

21 minutes ago, JanCarol said:

Hey D! Hello!

 

 

Our SA article has a bunch of stories by members and a few suggestions that might help.

 

Derealization and Depersonalization    (Oh, i see that Bubble posted this already, thanks Bubble!) Very helpful

 

The best suggestion I've ever heard for dealing with it is Shep's:  be curious.  If you can turn your fear or judgement into curiousity, you will survive just fine - you might even thrive and learn something! I have been trying this. It makes me feel stronger and not so out of control.

 

There's something to be learned, even from a state of DP or DR.  They often come hand in hand - I call them Tweedle DP and Tweedle DR, because for me, it helps to laugh at symptoms - to make fun of them.   I imagine them just like Lewis Carroll drew them, with their propeller hats, one on each shoulder, talking nonsense.

 

Here's a few other helpful articles about TweedleDP and TweedleDR:  thank you!

Do You Feel like a Stranger to Yourself? Elena Bezzabova (Psych Today article on SA)  

https://selfhacked.com/2015/07/27/depersonalization-its-causes-and-potential-solutions/

and a whole manual for people to learn from!

http://www.dpmanual.com/

 

* * *

 

I looked up Ultrainflammex.  While Metagenics is a reputable brand, this product looks like what I call a "shotgun compound."  Like a shotgun, they put a spray of everything in the mix, in the hopes that something will hit a target and help.  You might drop this one, as there are some potential excitatory or contradictory - even contraindicated ingredients.  For example, L-Tyrosine should not be used in anyone with any heart issues, and L-Tryptophan should not be used by anyone in withdrawal.  It mixes calcium with iron (they bind together and neutralize each other).  The amino acids in here are in huge amounts and might contradict each other (for example Tyrosine and Theanine might be better taken seperately) - it would be better to get your aminos from a simple food such as beef or chicken bone broth, or barley water or pea protein (if you are vegan).  Ok, thank for doing this. What does the Tryptophan do, curious.....

Here's my Barley Water recipe.  I developed it as a tonic for my kidneys, but it is rich in aminos - in healthier, food-based amounts (not drug like amounts, as your supplement is): 

Something just happened and I lost part of my post.

 

The advantage of bone broth is that it soothes inflammation, and heals the digestive tract.  Well I have a lot of inflammation problems, I know that for sure.

 

 

I agree with Alto that magnesium is better taken throughout the day, but you have some contraindications (like iron, calcium and gabapentin).  I seem to recall that Alto's favourite way to take magnesium is in a magnesium drink - dissolve a capsule in a drink, and sip it throughout the day.  In your case, you could start sipping at 1 pm, and keep sipping for the rest of the day.

1500 mg magnesium seems a little high, and might be causing a paradox.  While there's no one-size-fits all dose, many of us do well around 600 mg magnesium. Can I just drop to 1000 and see how that goes? Or wait?

Something happened to this post, and it doesn't look like it did a minute ago - so I'm hoping that I remembered all that I lost, I'll go ahead and send this to you. I see it!

I hope you see the sun today! I went for a run!

 

[JanCarol]

Hey D!

 

4 hours ago, DMV64 said:

Ok, thank for doing this. What does the Tryptophan do, curious.....

 

Tryptophan is a precursor to serotonin neurotransmitters.  It hits on the same receptors as an SSRI, and can be very disruptive to withdrawal.

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9933-5-htp-5-hydroxytryptophan-and-l-tryptophan/

 

It's a little ironic that it (and 5HtP and St. John's Wort) are the among first supplements that a naturopath or ND reaches for when someone is in withdrawal.  I see it a lot.  The other 2 contraindicated things that naturopaths and ND's do a lot  is big multivitamin compounds, and detoxing.

 

4 hours ago, DMV64 said:

Can I just drop to 1000 and see how that goes? Or wait?

 

My suggestions are just suggestions.  Let us know what you try, and keep reporting symptoms!

[jkun41]

Hope you're doing well DMV. You seem to have a more positive vibe from the first couple pages of your thread. Be sure to give yourself a pat on the back for all improvements, no matter how small. 

[DMV64]

13 minutes ago, jkun41 said:

Hope you're doing well DMV. You seem to have a more positive vibe from the first couple pages of your thread. Be sure to give yourself a pat on the back for all improvements, no matter how small. 

Thank you for stoppping by! I am feeling much better than I was even if it is still not easy it is better. And I am very grateful. How are you doing?

[jkun41]

Things are a bit better, thanks for asking. Much like you, just trying to accept that it'll take time. 

[DMV64]

Really 9/30 with current supplements added

6:30AM: Wake with no panic. 

6:45AM: 5mg Vyvanse. 1 scoop Ultrainflammex, 2 teaspoons ground flax seeds, 1 scoop Progreens, Probiotic, 20mg gentle iron, 2 soft gel fish oil

7:00  Run

7:30: 1mg Klonopin

9:15AM: Teach! 500mg magnesium

11:00AM: 100mg gabapentin

Noon : shop

1:30PM: 10 Mg Geoden and Lunch

2-5PM: Feel kind of nauseous and strange pin pricking feeling in my head

4:30PM: 100mg gabapentin. 

6PM: 500 magnesium

7:00PM: Dinner. 600mg calcium

8:30PM: 2 teaspoons ground flax seeds

9PM: 500 mg magnesium

10PM 2.5mg Saphris with .5 Cogentin at 10 before bed along . And 20 mg omeprazole. 100mg gabapentin.

[DMV64]

On 9/30/2017 at 7:04 AM, JanCarol said:

10/1 with current supplements added

6:00AM: Wake with slight panic. 

6:15AM: 5mg Vyvanse. 1 scoop Ultrainflammex, 2 teaspoons ground flax seeds, 1 scoop Progreens, Probiotic, 20mg gentle iron, 2 soft gel fish oil

7:00  meditate

7:30: 1mg Klonopin

9:15AM: Teach! 500mg magnesium

11:00AM: 100mg gabapentin

Noon : lunch

12:30PM: 10 Mg Geoden

2-5PM: Tired. Relax on couch and nap

4:30PM: 100mg gabapentin. 

6PM: 500 magnesium

7:00PM: Dinner. 600mg calcium

8:30PM: 2 teaspoons ground flax seeds

9PM: will take 500 mg magnesium

10PM 2.5mg Saphris with .5 Cogentin at 10 before bed along . And 20 mg omeprazole. 100mg gabapentin.

 

[TheWayBack]

Glad to see that you are doing better DMV!

[DMV64]

2 hours ago, TheWayBack said:

Glad to see that you are doing better DMV!

Thank you! Me too. My gosh. I am eager to taper but I am holding gratefully. ❤️

[DMV64]

Hi all.

Kind of a hard day. I guess it is a wave. I feel like I have struggled with terror and panic for a lot of this day. It is hard to not panic into feeling I am not getting better even though I know not to go down this road.

Anyway, glad you are out there. I have to go try to teach a class soon.

: /

-D

[DMV64]

10/1 with current supplements added

7:00AM: Wake with medium panic. 

7:15AM: 5mg Vyvanse. 1 scoop Ultrainflammex, 2 teaspoons ground flax seeds, 1 scoop Progreens, Probiotic, 20mg gentle iron, 2 soft gel fish oil

8:00  meditate

8:30: 1mg Klonopin

9:30AM: Yoga! 

11:00AM: 100mg gabapentin

Noon : lunch

12:30PM: 10 Mg Geoden

2-5PM: d/p d/r anxiety. 1000mg magnesium Feel fear..

4:30PM: 100mg gabapentin. 

6PM: 600mg calcium. Teach.

8:30PM: Dinner.500 magnesium

9:00PM: will  take 2 teaspoons ground flax seeds

10PM 2.5mg Saphris with .5 Cogentin at 10 before bed along . And 20 mg omeprazole. 100mg gabapentin.

[kangamangus]

Hey DMV, hope you're doing well today. Wanted to ask about what kind of yoga you practice? Was thinking about picking it back up, I used to do it quite a bit when I was younger.

[DMV64]

2 minutes ago, kangamangus said:

Hey DMV, hope you're doing well today. Wanted to ask about what kind of yoga you practice? Was thinking about picking it back up, I used to do it quite a bit when I was younger.

Hey there! I practice Vinyasa but also lately I’ve been practicing Yin. It really helps me stay grounded. I hope you are doing well today. I am feeling a little bit better myself.Hey there! I practice Vinyasa but also lately I’ve been practicing Yin. It really helps me stay grounded. I hope you are doing well today. I am feeling a little bit better myself.

[DMV64]

10/1 with current supplements added

7:00AM: Wake with low/medium panic. 

7:15AM: 5mg Vyvanse. Run. 1 scoop Ultrainflammex, 2 teaspoons ground flax seeds, 1 scoop Progreens, Probiotic, 20mg gentle iron, 2 soft gel fish oil

8:00  meditate

8:00: 1mg Klonopin

11:00AM: 100mg gabapentin

Noon :Yoga

1:30PM: 10 Mg Geoden

2-5PM:  1000mg magnesium Take mag citrate for first time

4:30PM: 100mg gabapentin. 

7PM: 600mg calcium. 

8:00PM: Dinner.500 magnesium

9:00PM:  2 teaspoons ground flax seeds

10PM 2.5mg Saphris with .5 Cogentin at 10 before bed along . And 20 mg omeprazole. 100mg gabapentin.

[DMV64]

Hello friends,

I guess I am pretty close to w/d normal. Days are mostly the same with slight variations on level of anxiety/panic. I am finding Tara Brach, Radical Acceptance very helpful. I am still transitioning over my supplements. I find myself wishing things could be different, which is why I am working on acceptance. Somedays it is hard to imagine teaching (putting self out there) or owning this yoga studio. I can't think too much about it or I get caught up in anxiety. I am just practicing feeling the fear and doing it anyway. I am on call for two births, will be glad when these babies come and hopefully not too close together. My husband has been a great support, and I am very grateful for that. My morning anxiety seems to be up a bit. Wondering if that might be due to any supplement changes or just normall variations...

Hope you are all well!

-D

[DMV64]

10/4 with current supplements added

7:00AM: Wake with low/medium panic. 

7:15AM: 5mg Vyvanse. Run. 1 scoop Ultrainflammex, 2 teaspoons ground flax seeds, 1 scoop Progreens, Probiotic, 20mg gentle iron, 2 soft gel fish oil

8:00  meditate

8:00: 1mg Klonopin

10: teach

11:00AM: 100mg gabapentin

Noon :Teach

1:30PM: Lunch. 10 Mg Geoden

2-5PM:  1000mg magnesium 1 cap of 500 is citrate

4:30PM: 100mg gabapentin. 

7PM: Dinner. 600mg calcium. 

8:00PM: Cookies.500 magnesium

8:30PM:  2 teaspoons ground flax seeds

10PM 2.5mg Saphris with .5 Cogentin at 10 before bed along . And 20 mg omeprazole. 100mg gabapentin.

[JanCarol]

Hey D - 

 

On 03/10/2017 at 10:46 AM, DMV64 said:

7:15AM: 5mg Vyvanse. 1 scoop Ultrainflammex, 2 teaspoons ground flax seeds, 1 scoop Progreens, Probiotic, 20mg gentle iron, 2 soft gel fish oil

 

 Please consider stopping the Ultrainflammex.  It could be contributing to your anxiety.  It is a mish-mash of mixed ingredients, some of which are hazardous in withdrawal (like Tryptophan).

 

If I'm wrong, and dropping it does nothing, then I'm wrong and nothing lost.  If I'm right, and you feel better upon dropping it - isn't that worth a try?

 

If you want to work on your gut, there are single ingredients or even foods which can help, like Turmeric, Bone Broth, even aloe has helped some people.  A complex compound like this  you don't know what it is doing to you.

 

On 05/10/2017 at 1:08 AM, DMV64 said:

I am just practicing feeling the fear and doing it anyway.

 

That's the way!

 

I hope you see the sun today!

 

Edited October 6, 2017 by JanCarol

[DMV64]

10/5with current supplements added

6:00AM: Wake with low/medium panic. 

6:15AM: 5mg Vyvanse.  1 scoop Ultrainflammex, 2 teaspoons ground flax seeds, 1 scoop Progreens, Probiotic, 20mg gentle iron, 2 soft gel fish oil

7:00  meditate

8:00: 1mg Klonopin

9: teach

11:00AM: 100mg gabapentin

Noon :lunch

12:30PM: 10 Mg Geoden

2-5PM:  Rest 1000mg magnesium 1 cap of 500 is citrate

4:30PM: 100mg gabapentin. 

8PM: Dinner. 600mg calcium. 

9:30PM: 500 magnesium

9:30PM:  2 teaspoons ground flax seeds

10:30PM 2.5mg Saphris with .5 Cogentin at 10 before bed along . And 20 mg omeprazole. 100mg gabapentin.

[DMV64]

4 hours ago, JanCarol said:

Hey D - 

 

 

 Please consider stopping the Ultrainflammex.  It could be contributing to your anxiety.  It is a mish-mash of mixed ingredients, some of which are hazardous in withdrawal (like Tryptophan). Ok will try it, it just works very well with my IBS

 

If I'm wrong, and dropping it does nothing, then I'm wrong and nothing lost.  If I'm right, and you feel better upon dropping it - isn't that worth a try?

 

If you want to work on your gut, there are single ingredients or even foods which can help, like Turmeric, Bone Broth, even aloe has helped some people.  A complex compound like this  you don't know what it is doing to you.

 

 

That's the way!

 

I hope you see the sun today!

 

 

[DMV64]

On 10/6/2017 at 3:01 AM, JanCarol said:

10/7with current supplements added

4:30AM: Wake with no panic. Client in labor

5:00AM: 5mg Vyvanse.   2 teaspoons ground flax seeds, 1 scoop Progreens, Probiotic, 20mg gentle iron, 2 soft gel fish oil

7:00  yoga

7:00: 1mg Klonopin

9: yoga

9:30 brunch

11:00AM: 100mg gabapentin

12:30 :to hospital birth

12:30PM: 10 Mg Geoden

2-5PM:  1000mg magnesium 1 cap of 500 is citrate

4:30PM: 100mg gabapentin. 

7PM: 600mg calcium. 

9:00PM: 500 magnesium dinner home from birth

9:00PM:  2 teaspoons ground flax seeds

10:00PM 2.5mg Saphris with .5 Cogentin at 10 before bed along . And 20 mg omeprazole. 100mg gabapentin.

 

[DMV64]

10/8with current supplements added

5:30AM: Wake with slight panic. Client #2 in labor

6:00AM: 5mg Vyvanse.   2 teaspoons ground flax seeds, 1 scoop Progreens, Probiotic, 20mg gentle iron, 2 soft gel fish oil

7:00  meditation

7:00: 1mg Klonopin

9: teach

10:30 brunch

11:00AM: 100mg gabapentin

12:30 :to hospital birth

12:30PM: 10 Mg Geoden

2-5PM:  1000mg magnesium 2 cap of 500 is citrate

4:30PM: 100mg gabapentin. 

7PM: 600mg calcium. 

7:00PM: 500 magnesium dinner 

9:00PM:  2 teaspoons ground flax seeds

10:00PM will take 2.5mg Saphris with .5 Cogentin at 10 before bed along . And 20 mg omeprazole. 100mg gabapentin.

[JanCarol]

Wow, so your midwifery/doula - that's intense stuff!

 

and where is the anxiety?  

Can it be that dropping the Ultrainflammex has helped your anxiety?

 

I hope you see the sun today!

 

 

[DMV64]

3 hours ago, JanCarol said:

Wow, so your midwifery/doula - that's intense stuff!

 

and where is the anxiety?  

Can it be that dropping the Ultrainflammex has helped your anxiety?

 

I hope you see the sun today!

 

 

It is intense!  And so beautiful! It’s hard to say about the anxiety because it it tends to come when I have empty space in the middle of the day. And I just had two births which keep me on  A very busy high!  But may be… 

[DMV64]

Today is hard. Coming off the rush of two births in a row and having empty space lets the depression and anxiety bubble up. Why I cannot tolerate empty space is baffling and saddens me. I just want to be at peace. 

[DMV64]

10/9with current supplements added

6:30AM: Wake with slight panic. 

6:30AM: 5mg Vyvanse.   2 teaspoons ground flax seeds, 1 scoop Progreens, Probiotic, 20mg gentle iron, 2 soft gel fish oil

7:00  breakfast

7:00: 1mg Klonopin

9: yoga

10:45 snack

11:00AM: 100mg gabapentin

12:30 :lunch

12:30PM: 10 Mg Geoden

2-5PM:  Anxiety. Free time. 1000mg magnesium 2 cap of 500 is citrate

4:00PM: 100mg gabapentin. 

5:30PM Meeting

7PM: 600mg calcium. 

7:00PM: teach

8:30PM: 500 magnesium dinner 

9:00PM:  2 teaspoons ground flax seeds

10:00PM will take 2.5mg Saphris with .5 Cogentin at 10 before bed along . And 20 mg omeprazole. 100mg gabapentin.