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After 25 years of SSRI's then SNRI's then attempted suicide then Californian rocket fuel, and finally ECT

( that worked amazingly well) I have been normal and stable for 3 months, and depression is a distant thought

that I am fast forgetting. The psychiatrist (only seen once to check if its ok to drive) says I should stay on the 

Californian rocket fuel (45mg mirtazapine + 225mg venlafaxine + 7.5mg olanzapine) for 6-12 months to make

sure I don't relapse. But the doctors at the ECT treatment hospital were very matter-of-fact, and said that if I start

to relapse I can go back for a top-up!   Quite a few people do, as I met some there while having treatment. I have

had virtually no side effects from the ECT, so is it right that I have to continue taking these drugs when I feel so great!

OR am I deluding myself, and after the Re-boot, the Californian rocket fuel is actually keeping me sane?

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mammaP

Hi Oliver, welcome to SA. Your history looks similar to mine, many years of drugs and ECT!   Did you get off any off the drugs and have to go back on them?   Most of us here were told we needed drugs for a chemical imbalance in the brain when we had a 'relapse' . It has now been proven that this is not true but was made up by the drug companies to sell their drugs. 

When a drug is stopped or tapered too fast it results in withdrawal which is almost always blamed on mental illness.   

How long have you been taking the CRF combo?  Did you stop it for the ECT? 

It is never wise to stop drugs without very careful tapering, even when you are feeling great, doing so will inevitably lead to withdrawal which can be even worse than the condition that led to taking them. However, it  is good to start tapering when feeling stable, it is a long process and many people want to be off quite quickly but again that leads to withdrawal and going back on so it is well worth the time and patience to take it slowly and be off them for good.  

 

  We ask all our members to put their drug and tapering history on their signature. The link will take you directly to the signature box in settings. Just fill it in and click save. We need drugs and doses, with approximate start.stop dates. For the older ones just the drugs .  We need more accurate details for the last 2 years and particularly the last year. This will help us to advise whether to start tapering now or wait a while to be sure you are properly stabilised. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/settings/signature/   

 

Here are some topics that you will find interesting. 

Tapering California Rocket fuel

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/11689-about-going-off-mirtazapine-plus-venlafaxine-effexor-aka-california-rocket-fuel/

 

Withdrawal or relapse?

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/14870-withdrawal-or-relapse-or-something-else/

 

Chemical imbalance myth

http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/4291-again-chemical-imbalance-is-a-myth-stop-the-lies-please/

 

 

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nz11

Oliver how are you doing.

I would love to hear from you.

Any thoughts about tapering.

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oliver

Latest update:

A few weeks after my last post (late October 2017) I started to relapse.....I think it's because I started to worry about Christmas......yes I know, but I like to be organised!  By the way, I always worry about Christmas, always have... Anyway my family cancelled ALL present giving, ALL vouchers,  ALL cash- to by what you really want...... Well they were right, it gave me breathing time and did I need it!

Anyway I made an appointment and saw the psychiatrist 2 weeks later and said that I felt that I needed a top up. Well the spaces were limited, so I ended up waiting  another 3 weeks. The last week I spent in bed....trying to stay safe (from myself).

Twice a week until Christmas gave me 9 zaps, finishing on 20th December. I was 90% normal again.

I then had 1 zap a week for 5 weeks, which brings me up to now. (100%) The hospital said that if I want, I can have a maintenance zap every 2/3/4 weeks depending how I feel, so this is the plan.

It is ironic that I went downhill so fast before Christmas, and had to wait  5 weeks to start the ECT, whereas they now have extra funding and have doubled the number of people they can see!

In the meantime my psychiatrist has been advised by the Lead  psychiatrist at the hospital that I "could" come off Mirtazapine and switch to Lithium. .....Not sure about this as it involves regular blood tests to establish the correct dose, and then maintain it. I have a meeting next week, but am not going down that path at the moment.

The CBT treatment that I was told would help has not happened because of administration stuff! Well with the NHS under-funded would I expect anything different?

I am being persuaded by my spouse to do this:  Natural Depression Treatment program by Mark Tyrrell Co-founder Uncommon Knowledge.....Basically a self help...sort your thoughts out and get rid of depression for good....or at least if it works, keep it well under control for good. I am only up to session 3 out of 17, so a way to go yet. I found it on the internet, and it takes some time and concentration, but perhaps that's what I need....a bit of self time every day....It seems like an hour a day might be needed. (that's not much really, as I could have been dead for 9 months). It sort of brings it into focus when I say that!

So, I have to get up to speed again on the best way to balance the thoughts in my brain against the chemicals, but at least I know that should I need a top-up zap, they work for me.

Just a thought:

Why does it seem so difficult for me to focus on getting myself cured of my depression without drugs, when some people on this Earth want to be trained (old word-'brainwashed') into blowing themselves up?

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nz11

Oliver thanks for taking the time to do an update .

Do you think you'd like some help with tapering at this stage.

It would be great if you were to do a drug sig. 

Sorry you are still struggling. 

Don't let any of these doctors cold turkey you off any of these drugs they will all need to be slowly tapered in order to keep a reign on withdrawal symptoms which are often mistaken by doctors as 'd-pr-ss--n'

 

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8 hours ago, oliver said:

Latest update:

A few weeks after my last post (late October 2017) I started to relapse.....I think it's because I started to worry about Christmas......yes I know, but I like to be organised!  By the way, I always worry about Christmas, always have... Anyway my family cancelled ALL present giving, ALL vouchers,  ALL cash- to by what you really want...... Well they were right, it gave me breathing time and did I need it!

Anyway I made an appointment and saw the psychiatrist 2 weeks later and said that I felt that I needed a top up. Well the spaces were limited, so I ended up waiting  another 3 weeks. The last week I spent in bed....trying to stay safe (from myself).

Twice a week until Christmas gave me 9 zaps, finishing on 20th December. I was 90% normal again.

I then had 1 zap a week for 5 weeks, which brings me up to now. (100%) The hospital said that if I want, I can have a maintenance zap every 2/3/4 weeks depending how I feel, so this is the plan.

It is ironic that I went downhill so fast before Christmas, and had to wait  5 weeks to start the ECT, whereas they now have extra funding and have doubled the number of people they can see!

In the meantime my psychiatrist has been advised by the Lead  psychiatrist at the hospital that I "could" come off Mirtazapine and switch to Lithium. .....Not sure about this as it involves regular blood tests to establish the correct dose, and then maintain it. I have a meeting next week, but am not going down that path at the moment.

The CBT treatment that I was told would help has not happened because of administration stuff! Well with the NHS under-funded would I expect anything different?

I am being persuaded by my spouse to do this:  Natural Depression Treatment program by Mark Tyrrell Co-founder Uncommon Knowledge.....Basically a self help...sort your thoughts out and get rid of depression for good....or at least if it works, keep it well under control for good. I am only up to session 3 out of 17, so a way to go yet. I found it on the internet, and it takes some time and concentration, but perhaps that's what I need....a bit of self time every day....It seems like an hour a day might be needed. (that's not much really, as I could have been dead for 9 months). It sort of brings it into focus when I say that!

So, I have to get up to speed again on the best way to balance the thoughts in my brain against the chemicals, but at least I know that should I need a top-up zap, they work for me.

Just a thought:

Why does it seem so difficult for me to focus on getting myself cured of my depression without drugs, when some people on this Earth want to be trained (old word-'brainwashed') into blowing themselves up?

Ect works for you? Everyone else is so negative about it. 

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nz11
12 hours ago, oliver said:

now have extra funding and have doubled the number of people they can see!

Sounds like more and more people are being given  ECT. 

 

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