Hyperbaric oxygen treatment

[bruno2016]

Does anyone know of someone who used a hyperbaric oxygen chamber for withdrawal issues? Ann Blake recommends it and was wondering if anyone out there has experience.

[Altostrata]

Here's one place she talks about it http://icfda.drugawareness.org/Ribbon/Alternatives.html

 

I've never heard from anyone who's tried this, Zepp. Seems right up your alley.

[bruno2016]

yea it sure does, you know I am always trying new stuff but eventually need to stop it cause thats where all my money goes. I tried to send her a message about it and other products she talks about but did not get a response. Wish I could find that guy she talks about who quit paxil 60mg cold turkey! That is quite scary and I just met a guy who's wife quit the same dosage in a two week taper and became psychotic! She was a nurse who was shy and developed depression and so was given this drug. She is now confined to a mental hospital and has lost it. I am so happy I did not become psychotic because I came off my drugs fast as well, almost cold turkey! And might i add, the clinic I went to that got me off the drugs had a copy of Ann's book in the lobby! go figure!!

 

Anyways, just thought I would see if anyone had tried this. I would really like to find out more about it and if it fact can help in healing cause from what I read it can help with things like stroke and traumatic brain injury so i would imagine that if there is any damage caused by the drugs that I may be able to undo it. All I can say now is that I can hardly think straight!

[Altostrata]

Ann Blake Tracy has put a great deal of energy into educating the world about the dangers of withdrawal, but I would take anything she says about cures for withdrawal syndrome with a grain of salt.

[fj929]

Bump.....

 

Wondering if anyone else has ever tried HBOT? For long time sufferers what other options do we have????? I can't go on like this.

[fj929]

I spoke to Dr Tracy on this. She doesn't have one single reference that she could point you to to say that this helps. She is claiming it is the cure for WD and yet where are all the cured? I think she is profiterring of the suffering as is DR Paul Harch.

[JanCarol]

I'm not saying that it is, but what if it were?

 

I was watching videos and reading articles from MIA about the evils of ECT.  I wanted to update and figure out my views because I've been so depressed at times that I would have accepted a tradeoff:  10% of my memories and functioning just for the pain to end.  The evil tradeoff of neuroleptics and ECT.  I remember being called by a friend, a father, and he was in tears over his 18 yo daughter's episode and hospitalization, as he told me "They want to give her ECT."  And I, in my ignorance, said what mainstream medicine was saying at the time (and still): "ECT isn't like it used to be.  It can be effective.  Ultimately you will have to decide.  There can be memory loss, but it can 'reboot the brain.'"  Yes.  I said that.  So I have an interest in getting it right, how bad, how dangerous, what effects, and, the perverse one:  HOW many shocks of HOW high over HOW LONG a period?  (this always makes my heart sink)

 

So I was thinking about ECT, and the "it's better now" phenomenon, supposedly improved by the use of anesthetics and oxygen.

 

Then my brain leaped to Irving Kirsch and:  A psych drug is no better than placebo (I mentioned this to my Pdoc who was quite flustered over drug info I was providing her that was going to change her practice - discontinuation of Reboxetine in the Australian market, and why - side effects, ineffective)

 

A psych drug is no better than placebo.  In one video I watched the psychologist said that there were studies done with "placebo" shocks.  How does one do that, exactly?

 

Then I thought about all the elements, and lit on OXYGEN.

 

What if people who were withdrawing had access to oxygen, and could take 10 minutes 2x a day.  Flooding the brain, cleansing it out, cleansing the blood.  I wasn't even thinking about the fancy, heavy duty, ever popular hyperbaric chamber oxygen.  I was  just talking about a tank like Grandma used to have after her heart attack.  Just a little restful time with the mask.

 

It might teach you some mindfulness and stillness, as you sat with your tank.  It might improve your organ function, including your brain.  It might even help you emote (emote means: to move, or, take those feelings and MOVE them instead of sitting on them, churning with them, etc.).

 

And here's the clincher:  HOW could it be harmful?  I mean compared to all of the other therapies that are offered now.  

 

I was thinking specifically about psych drug withdrawal, but if that is successful, maybe it could expand to depression?  Or help with something like PTSD as combined with other therapies - it may even make a difference in autism or schizophrenia (I know, but they medicate for autism, too)

 

Has it ever been studied before?  I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, surely someone smart has thought of it?  Tried it?

 

Maybe I've just wasted your time, but I was intrigued by this thought and don't know where else I could share it.

 

JC

[Meimeiquest]

I think it has been studied, under the generic name...exercise . Couldn't resist!

[JanCarol]

   yep!  But you know what?  Most exercise takes place under the haze of smog and car exhaust - at least outdoor exercise.....

 

I just wonder how much the pure O2 would help our kind?  And if I'm the first person to think of it - why?  It seems healing, positive, and it doesn't have any harm I can think of.  Of course, what I need to do is find someone brilliant to either pooh-pooh my idea - or - develop it!

[btdt]

I did recall an old article about oxygen treatment.. but it is not about the type you speaking of... it the chamber type... used in sports for a bit.. I read this article or part of it.. about a hockey team.  

 

And in the end now wonder about negative ions and how I get some... 

This may not help you with you vision of treatment with oxygen like grandma had but you may find it interesting not the less... if you like to read.. 

 

http://mypage.direct.ca/g/gcramer/hyper.html

 

I will throw this in here only because it NOT about the topic you interested in Oxygen but the use of it thru negative ions could be all bunk I don't know was neat to think about for a bit... just not into following it up just now... as it is sleep time.

 

tidbit

"The Russian ion scientist Tchijewsky tried raising mice, rats, guinea pigs, and rabbits in totally de ionized air. Within two weeks almost all of them had died. Despite the fact the autopsies proved they had died for a variety of reasons - fatty liver, kidney failure, heart degeneration, and , among other ills anemia - Tchijewsky concluded that the real cause of death was the animals' inability to utilize oxygen properly.' An organism receiving the cleanest type of air for breathing is condemned to serious illness if the air does not contain at least a small quantity of air ions."

Tchijewsky's colleague D.A. Lapitsky tried raising small animals in air depleted of oxygen. As they were about to die of suffocation he added neg-ions and found that "animals already near death from asphyxiation began to feel better, sat up sniffed the air, and began to run around the chamber. Their respiration frequency increased. Switching off the ionizer again brought them to the verge of asphyxiation." Lapitsky decided the traditional belief that oxygen alone was the sole prerequisite for the creation and sustenance of life had "demonstrated to be false." Or as Tchijewsky had said, "Death of animals in [de ionized] air must be attributed to the absence of aero ions of oxygen essential to the life activity of an organism." More simply put, without ions we couldn't absorb oxygen in the quantities needed to live. And the fewer ions there are, the lower the efficiency of our minds and bodies.

Tchijewsky also discovered increased performance in athletes using negative ion generators in the late 1940's."

 

at the end of this he talks about ion changes in winds 

Side effects from positive ions winds (such as the Chinook wind in Calgary and the Santa Ana winds in southern California) compiled by a Swiss meteorological report in 1974 are as follows

 

my pain goes up and down with weather as a migraine sufferer I find this interesting and may follow up on it some later. 

peace

[Meimeiquest]

I'm not the brilliant one JC is looking for, but I have heard that natural waterfalls are a fabulous place for negative ions. Being outside during or after rain is good too...anyplace sunlight is hitting water.

 

I once attended a support group for parents of kids with autism in a wealthy part of Nashville. These parents were routinely flying to doctors around the country, had hired coaches to research and organize their kids' many therapies, several of them had hyperbaric chambers (is that the word?) and their kids spent time in them everyday. They thought it helped.

[cymbaltawithdrawal5600]

I was going to let this one pass but finally decided to add 2 cents. I knew it was dangerous to breathe 100% O₂ except when medically necessary but I didn't remember why.

 

In this article it explains what happens:

 

"In humans breathing 100 percent oxygen at normal pressure, here's what happens:

• Fluid accumulates in the lungs.
• Gas flow across the alveoli slows down, meaning that the person has to breathe more to get enough oxygen.
• Chest pains occur during deep breathing.
• The total volume of exchangeable air in the lung decreases by 17 percent.
• Mucus plugs local areas of collapsed alveoli -- a condition called atelectasis. The oxygen trapped in the plugged alveoli gets absorbed into the blood, no gas is left to keep the plugged alveoli inflated, and they collapse. Mucus plugs are normal, but they are cleared by coughing. If alveoli become plugged while breathing air, the nitrogen trapped in the alveoli keeps them inflated."

In short and in plain English, you won't last long. We evolved to breathe the 21% O₂ in our atmosphere.

 

You need a doctor's script for it.

 

But shows you are thinking out of the box, JC! Meimei is right, exercise would do far more than sitting and breathing a gas.

 

A  long time ago I read something that exercising in smoggy areas is not that bad for you but probably not advised in areas where the smog index is very high on some days.

[btdt]

The article above says that the HBOC caused an increase is serotonin which was helpful in the beginning but which had negative long term effects.  I know the use of ssri is controversial in autistic kids... lots of debate about this that has been ongoing for years.  

It does seem to be that way with many things in science debate and studies that contradict each other we have a big problem in science now... this is not just my opinion... but the opinions of those working in scientific fields it sounds like bow down and kiss the butt of the powers that be and don't bother presenting any conflicting journal articles as they will not be used... 

[btdt]

I was going to let this one pass but finally decided to add 2 cents. I knew it was dangerous to breathe 100% O₂ except when medically necessary but I didn't remember why.

 

In this article it explains what happens:

 

"In humans breathing 100 percent oxygen at normal pressure, here's what happens:

• Fluid accumulates in the lungs.
• Gas flow across the alveoli slows down, meaning that the person has to breathe more to get enough oxygen.
• Chest pains occur during deep breathing.
• The total volume of exchangeable air in the lung decreases by 17 percent.
• Mucus plugs local areas of collapsed alveoli -- a condition called atelectasis. The oxygen trapped in the plugged alveoli gets absorbed into the blood, no gas is left to keep the plugged alveoli inflated, and they collapse. Mucus plugs are normal, but they are cleared by coughing. If alveoli become plugged while breathing air, the nitrogen trapped in the alveoli keeps them inflated."

In short and in plain English, you won't last long. We evolved to breathe the 21% O₂ in our atmosphere.

 

You need a doctor's script for it.

 

But shows you are thinking out of the box, JC! Meimei is right, exercise would do far more than sitting and breathing a gas.

 

A  long time ago I read something that exercising in smoggy areas is not that bad for you but probably not advised in areas where the smog index is very high on some days.

wow any ideas on the ion thing - use of oxygen being less...

They are using the hboc on folks who had stroke and brain injury ... is that 100% oxygen? as I don't know sounds like it would cause trouble

[cymbaltawithdrawal5600]

This is what the FDA had on their site regarding internet claims of success with HBOT

 

http://www.fda.gov/forconsumers/consumerupdates/ucm364687.htm:

 

Patients may be unaware that the safety and effectiveness of HBOT has not been established for these diseases and conditions, including:

 

AIDS/HIV

Alzheimer's Disease

Asthma

Bell's Palsy

Brain Injury

Cerebral Palsy

Depression

Heart Disease

Hepatitis

Migraine

Multiple Sclerosis

Parkinson's Disease

Spinal Cord Injury

Sport's Injury

Stroke

 

Depression is on the list but not WD syndrome.

[cymbaltawithdrawal5600]

PS.

 

I did not read to the end of the first article but you did, btdt. This caught my eye:

 

"The article above says that the HBOC caused an increase is serotonin which was helpful in the beginning but which had negative long term effects."

 

Yep. We all know too well what happens when you try to manipulate serotonin, don't we? Cluster muck on a grand scale.

[btdt]

this is what it said about serotonin 

"Side effects from positive ions winds (such as the Chinook wind in Calgary and the Santa Ana winds in southern California) compiled by a Swiss meteorological report in 1974 are as follows:

Physical side effects: Body pains, sick headaches, dizziness, twitching of the eyes, nausea, fatigue, faintness, disorders in saline (salt) budget with fluctuations in electrolytical metabolism (calcium and magnesium; critical for alcoholics), water accumulation, respiratory difficulties, allergies, asthma, heart and circulatory disorders (heart attacks approx. 50% higher) low blood pressure, slowing down in reaction time, more sensitivity to pain, inflammations, bleeding embolisms of the lungs, and thrombosis.

Psychological side effects: Emotional unbalance, irritation, vital disinclination, compulsion to meditate, exhaustion, apathy, disinclination or listlessness toward work (poor school achievement), insecurity, anxiety, depression (especially after age forty to fifty); rate of attempted suicide about 20% higher, larger number of admittance's to clinics in drug cases.

In over 90 years since ions were discovered, no side effects have ever been found from negative ions.

The side effects from Prozac are similar to the side effects from positive ions. That is because positive ions or lack of ions, increase serotonin levels in the body the same as prozac does. Increased serotonin has recently been associated with many forms of cancer.

It is interesting to note that high carbohydrate meals or high protein meals also increase serotonin in the body. The Pittsburgh Penguins training staff have been using protein drinks and carbohydrate drinks known by their brand names of Plex and Blast for a number of years now. How much has this affected Mario Lemieux's health? Could it have caused his recent health problems? During the recent lock-out Mario Lemieux has said he is feeling better than he has in years. His serotonin levels have returned to normal without these carbohydrate and protein supplements.

The Toronto Blue Jays also use Plex and Blast. Before the Baseball strike Toronto a two time world series champion in 1992 and 1993 was trailing most of the league in 1994. A person reliant on serotonin will at first experience a high for a few years followed by a low that is virtually impossible to get out of. Adrenaline does not renew itself in days, it takes months or even years.

The hyperbaric chamber of the Vancouver Canucks is even more damaging than Plex and Blast. There are no ions in the chamber nor are any being breathed in with the oxygen mask. What proof do we have that the team was affected by this Hyperbaric chamber other than a few symptoms reported by a few players. Let the 1993 - 1994 stats speak for themselves:

Vancouver Canucks 1993/94 POWER PLAY RECORD

[btdt]

and this 

"Update, August 23, 1996:

After receiving this report, Glen Sather, General Manager of the Edmonton Oilers Hockey Team, called me to tell me he agreed with the information provided in this report. This information from Mr. Sather surprised our contact at the hyperbaric chamber distributor who informed me that Mr. Sather had one of the leading specialists in hyperbaric medicine working for him in Edmonton.

In March 1996 we contacted the Canadian National Defense Department, Defense and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine for joint research with (DCIEM), the hyperbaric chamber company and ourselves. It was also at this time that we had contacted the hyperbaric chamber company to inform them of the research and continuing problems with these chambers and the other teams that were using them. The statistics for a number of teams now using the chamber were looking similar to the Vancouver Canucks. As the hyperbaric chamber company stock dropped with poor showings in the Pro Sports teams now using these chambers, the directors of the company began to resign in groups including our contact with that company. It is not known whether these resignations were due to our information or the stock collapse or the poor performance.

Before we contacted the DCIEM they had no knowledge of the problems with the hyperbaric chamber since it had been used for many years in saturation diving, mine workers, and caisson workers. I then explained that the changes we were seeing were changes primarily in endurance, balance and reaction time. These changes are not visual changes, I am talking about 22 millisecond changes in reaction time, less balance and less endurance... .In Pro Sports 22 milliseconds can mean a big difference to a players or goal tenders game. These changes are probably happening with these other occupations but will not show up as anything more then lethargic workers or depression. I would like to see research in this area of hyperbaric work and resiratory difficulties, other related health problems, serotonin production in the brain, and cancer rates in these workers. The operational medicine specialists at the DCIEM is now looking into this research.

The following Professional Teams are now using the Hyperbaric Chamber; In the N.H.L. Vancouver Canucks, Philadelphia Flyers, San Jose Sharks, Winnipeg Jets (Phoenix), Detroit Red Wings, St. Louis Blues and New York Rangers. In the N.F.L. the Dallas Cowboys, San Francisco 49'ers, and the New York Jets. In the N.B.A. The Seattle Supersonics, New York Knicks, and the Vancouver Grizzlies. In the C.F.L. the B.C. Lions.

Not all of the above teams will experience the long term problems that the Vancouver Canucks have had. It depends on how the team uses the chamber. If the team uses the chamber only for injuries, few problems may arise. If the team chooses to place all players in the chamber everyday then you will see major problems down the line."

 

it is all old likely new contradicting stuff by now... as there always is

[cymbaltawithdrawal5600]

Sometimes its not a good idea to mess with mother nature. The things people will do for money.

 

I just wanted to stop crying is why I went on AD's to begin with. Lost too many jobs. Believed the hype now paying for it.

[Barbarannamated]

Interesting info about positive ion winds. We get heavy Santa Ana winds where I live. They're not called "the devil winds" for nothing.

 

Any thoughts on negative ion lamps?

[cymbaltawithdrawal5600]

Barb,

 

You might find this thread on snopes interesting:

 

http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=104;t=000682;p=1

 

Didn't like them when they blew through San Diego. Was a heavy smoker then, too too dry and hot.

[JanCarol]

Hmmmm.  You can see why I didn't want to address the Hyperbaric thingy.  GREAT for healing wounds (we have them in burn care units here), handy for deep sea divers (especially when coupled with ketogenic diet).  But wanna talk about the maximum opportunity for profit?  I looked into these when I brought this topic up - and the "portable ones," you know, the ones in your home? - are NOT hyperbaric because they are soft-sided, and cannot hold the pressure needed for a true hyperbaric chamber, which is a steel tank.

 

I'm suggesting that the little mask and tank arrangement is NOT 100% oxygen, well, the tank may be, but the mask is not airtight, you inhale native air with your oxygen.  Of course 100% oxygen is hazardous, so why do they put it on my after surgery?  Every time?  And I have to fight for the right to get the thing taken off?  That's why I suggested a schedule of just 10 minutes at a time.

 

Ionized - neither the mask - nor the hyperbaric - addresses the woo woo of ions.  Don't get me wrong, I eat woo woo for breakfast.  But it's not a thing that can be proven by study or science.  After all, it's about a feeling.  Here's a couple of ion stories:

 

When I moved in with that boyfriend after college, I was sooooo sick.  Bronchitis, strep throat, couldn't breathe, so much pain.  He took me to his apartment where he had a little ionizer.  He put it in the room (this was 1985 or so), and in 24 hours - with no antibiotics or doctor - I was feeling better.  It smelled fresh, there's a "feeling" it gives off which is attractive, like the oxygen mask (there's your comparison btdt).  But maybe it was the vitamin C and chicken noodle soup that made me better?

 

A decade later, I moved out from my first husband into a charming older home in a neighboring town.  It was fine for months, but then people moved in downstairs who smoked 24/7.  The house was ducted so there was no way I could get away from the smell.  I bought an air cleaner with an ionizer in it.  It was the best one I could afford.  I needed to clean out the ionizer "coils" monthly because they always collected so much filth.  That little unit worked hard, but it still wasn't enough and I had to move before I got sick.  I moved into a non-smoking building, with no ducts (each unit was completely independent), and fired up the little air cleaner/ionizer - and there it was again - when it wasn't working on the filthy air of the other place, it was generating fresh, clean air, and that sniff of O2 that induced a feeling of well being.

 

(of course, it wasn't enough because at that point I was so depressed I was sleeping 18 hours a day.......but that's another story)

 

The discussion on snopes was fun, degenerated into Bohemian Rhapsody....  

[JanCarol]

Oh yeah.  Hyperbaric is also good for altitude sickness and mountaintop survival, and recovery from that altitude stuff.  Apart from the things I've mentioned, all other applications are hopefulness, but not proven.

 

And my suggestion of 10 minutes 2x a day is supposed to be IN ADDITION to exercise, not instead of!!!!!  

[btdt]

I would not care what it was or who thought it silly if something helped me I would get it and use it... but it is hard to tell what may help. 

I think I will look for an air cleaner.. I already have horrid headaches from weather and spend a lot of the summer in doors in air conditioning... cause of it. 

[btdt]

I like you ion stories JanCarol enough to look for an air cleaner

[JanCarol]

I cannot recommend Consumer Reports enough.  Of course there are reviews on line.  My last one was a really good one, cleaned a large room, quietly.  It had a built in ionizer, which was a fat ladder (not sure how to describe - imagine 2 4"x 8" chambers on top of each other, but open on the sides so that air flows through.  2 of the filters could be cleaned in the sink, and the ionizer could be cleaner with a dusting cloth.  The other was a HEPA quality filter which needed replacing.  The thing cost $225 in 1996.  Sorry, cannot remember the brand name.  The area where you sleep is the most important, next would be the area where you spend the most time, whether that is at the computer or in the kitchen or lounge.

 

Consumer Reports will tell you that they actually "clean" the air - the good ones.  Consumer reports is a fan of HEPA technology.  And I'm sure the online reviews are substantial.  Check out these before you buy because not all air cleaners are the same.  I ordered mine mail order through a specialty company, to ensure I was getting the real deal, and not just a noisy objet d'art.

 

But the ionizer thing is harder to prove, woo woo.  Of course, you can see the accumulation of dust on the wall around the unit, and the accumulation of dust in the ionizer, too - to tell you that it's getting the air just that much cleaner.

 

Now that I'm in Australia, the air is very clean here.  Amazingly clean, and on a good day, naturally scented with eucalyptus.  Unless of course I want to buy in to the woo woo of chemtrails.  If I do that, then I need some heavy duty air cleaner here.  I'm working on fluoride right now (see my thread:  http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/5234-jancarol-reboxetine-first-then-lithium/page-7 ) and have to convince hubby that it is worth the money I want to spend on it.

 

If I were a doctor of any sort, I would want to try the oxygen mask therapy for emotional support and for healing iatrogenic damage.  Maybe I will start bouncing it off of doctors who might listen.  And, naturally, keep exercising.

[btdt]

Clean living is tricky and expensive to do in the West here... I can't afford it but sure wish you well in your efforts... a lot of people think I am nuts when I say I can't use that soap ... I can't sleep on blankets with strong fabric softener smells... on and on I could go with all the different sorts  of things that affect me while others are not bothered by it at all.

[JanCarol]

I'm learning.  Why do they even do that?  Is there anyone who LIKES to hang out in the soap aisle at the grocery and bask in the stench?

 

I'm lucky, so far, can use most soaps.  My sensitivity seems to be about food. 

 

The main problem with my oxygen idea is you have to sell it to someone.  And before that, you have to sell the idea that you are iatrogenically damaged from psych meds.  That's where the rotten luck comes in, and the rolling eyes and spinning fingers twirl around the ears.  Sigh.  Another nutcase am I.  

[Meimeiquest]

Maybe you could sell someone on the idea that it's a less-than-gold-standard treatment for sleep apnea .

[btdt]

I'm learning.  Why do they even do that?  Is there anyone who LIKES to hang out in the soap aisle at the grocery and bask in the stench?

 

I'm lucky, so far, can use most soaps.  My sensitivity seems to be about food. 

 

The main problem with my oxygen idea is you have to sell it to someone.  And before that, you have to sell the idea that you are iatrogenically damaged from psych meds.  That's where the rotten luck comes in, and the rolling eyes and spinning fingers twirl around the ears.  Sigh.  Another nutcase am I.  

Ha ha wonder if we could sell it if we could offer some incentives... pay the doc to report on our progress being free of toxins...pay then to helps us get thru withdrawal and pay them even more to report it back to a data base... then send them on a few trips to talk about it in a 5 star resort... and of course we would have to hire a ton of hot looking smart sales people to call on them and spell it all out to them.... 

 

one huge question where do we get the MONEY?!

 

Training would be a right pain too.. we have no established network ...paying for the list of doctors who least prescribe Ad's would likely cost more then the entire group of us could afford... 

But to dream they can't take away my dreams... woops yes they can they already did.

sorry for the sad note this is ending on I can't seem to think of an upbeat ending tho it started of in fun tho a bit silly...

peace all

[JanCarol]

         btdt!  I'll start building the golf course and resort on a tropical island now!  

[mammaP]

I remembered reading somewhere about an oxygen cafe in London and did a quick search. It seems they are

popping up everywhere and a lot of people use them.  Popping into the bar for a quick one sounds good  ! 

 

http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/rise-of-oxygen-bars

[JanCarol]

Yar!  Though, knowing Australia, it's likely illegal here.  It was oxygen bars which gave me the idea.  I saw a place in the USA where you can rent them for trade shows!  Likely pharma conventions, anywhere you want to sell your goods.  Dress it up with some blueberry or mint flavored oxygen, and your clients will sign on the dotted line!

 

(hey, weren't we saying we needed to sell the idea?   )

[btdt]

Yar!  Though, knowing Australia, it's likely illegal here.  It was oxygen bars which gave me the idea.  I saw a place in the USA where you can rent them for trade shows!  Likely pharma conventions, anywhere you want to sell your goods.  Dress it up with some blueberry or mint flavored oxygen, and your clients will sign on the dotted line!

 

(hey, weren't we saying we needed to sell the idea?   )

We need some science behind it that is crap but sounds good... I am finding the general public will by anything that has the words vitamin...(water) antioxidant and some pictures of couples frolicking with there kids in a field or garden of some sort.... and SMILES they must all have colgate smiles from ear to ear

 

Or the fear based... I get this from that dreadful commercial who does depression hurt it hurts every one... your kids is featured in that one.  I hate it because it does not show the drug as cause of the depression to start with... depression hurts... there is a spin off of this one in a utube video..

I can't resist link is coming...

 

 

I find the music jarring so turn it down.. before it starts... but still like it.

[btdt]

here is one I found to be true and funny..

I think I will spend some time watching the others whoever is making these is doing a fine job. 

I am enjoying them

[JanCarol]

Btdt turned down, I even liked the music (turned down, of course!).  And it broke my heart a little just to know that this is a tiny (Cymbalta hurts more) video on you-tube, while Lilly has paid zillions to put its hard sell counterpart on everyone's TV.  I wish we could compete.  Get the message out.  To those who think their pain is unbearable BEFORE the drugs - that the price may not be worth it.  I do still believe in everyone's right to choose, and I probably would've chosen similarly.  At one point I was so depressed I was even open to ECT but I was too afraid of psych hospitals to do it.

 

And the other vid - what a hoot!  I had to watch a few of those, too!  I like the discussions between drug rep and doctor.

 

Sigh.  My oxygen idea.  So helpful (maybe?) so harmless!  I will talk to my Dr. friend in USA, she used to be a corporate owned GP and has gone into University work - so I don't know how much of her work involves these drugs (but she's always hated them - she was deep into organic chemistry when Prozac came out, and she was shocked at what she perceived as its action on the brain) but she might have access to the oxygen to try it!  ;-)