GiaK Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 another interesting tidbit...I share this first in another group of folks who are all histamine intolerant...and cutting and pasting below to share: I'm getting to the place where I'm learning the delicate balance of even ADDING a bit of histamine to feel better...so you were right...my crash was too low histamine (after meeting the summer solstice, since spring increased my histamine levels greatly) With the summer solstice all the rules changed as my histamine levels took a huge dive. I ate some pure organic sugar free cacao for the first time it about three years to correct the imbalance. It worked like magic. Seriously.The last time I ate chocolate it made me hallucinate and trip like I was on acid...no joke...Now, having learned to listen to my body I find that if I eat chocolate at the appropriate time...as medicine, it heals me...what a wonder our bodies are!! Oh...and I made a homemade "nutella" with hazelnuts, raw cacao powder and a couple of dates...(which I'd not tried adding and am pleased to find I did fine with!) That was my medicine: NUTELLA!! Wow! 1 Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/ withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaza31 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 hi GinaK thanks for your reply.. I think im going to try doing a food diary to keep check of any onset of symptoms.. then if I notice something correlating I can get it checked out.. homemade nutella, yummmmmmmmmy it sounds delicious I love nutella lol.. take care Kx 2010-withdrew from Effexor 150mg to zero over a period of 9 months After six weeks became very ill Doctor was adamant a reinstatement of 150mg was needed I didn't know much of withdrawal symptoms at this time February 2013- taking beads out of capsule 150mg have taken out 112 beads equivalent to 30mg= 120mg taken June 2013- Doctor visit- recommended given me 75mg capsules take one in morning and one at night( take beads out of night one) So am currently taking 75mg in morning and take beads out of 75mg night capsule to make up the other 45mg= 120mg currently am down to taking 112.5mg.. presently reduced down to 103mg at 93mg at 87mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Famotidine works by blocking the histamine H2 receptor. There are important neurons in the brain that use histamine as their primary signaling substance. These neurons have an important role as regulators of other signaling substances. From animal research, it is known that by affecting the histamine system, one can also affect other signaling substances that are known to be involved in schizophrenia. So, is this research suggesting that excess histamines might be partially behind symptoms of psychosis? The Wiki page on histamines says: "Metabolites of histamine are increased in the cerebrospinal fluid of people with schizophrenia, while the efficiency of H(1) receptor binding sites is decreased. Many atypical antipsychotic medications have the effect of increasing histamine turnover." Tapering Zoloft, Dec 2014 Started Lamictal Re-started Zoloft mid-Oct 2014, 25-50mg Stopped Zoloft end of Sept 2014 Started Zoloft July 2014, 50mg Stopped Prozac from 3mg May 2014 Stopped Effexor Dec '13 Started 10mg Prozac Reinstated Effexor 15mg on Nov 2013 Stopped from 21mg on Oct 2013Effexor 112.5mg, since Dec 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiaK Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share Posted July 4, 2013 I am quite sure that histamine has some thing to do with some psychosis as well as it being involved in a variety of other phenomena that is labeled psychiatric...I've written about that in my histamine posts which have been included in this thread as I've seen much evidence of it...including, yes, psych meds are often anti-histamines as well as whatever else they do. I do believe that this study suggests such as well. Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/ withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiaK Posted July 19, 2013 Author Share Posted July 19, 2013 From Beyond Meds today: Since discovering my histamine intolerance issues my journey of healing from the psychiatric drug iatrogenesis has taken many positive and interesting turns. As I’ve written about many times in various ways, I’ve learned that as holistic beings everything matters. This includes what we eat and everything we put in and on our bodies. I found out that I need to be very careful of my histamine intake. It’s a LARGE piece of my healing puzzle. It is not the only piece. I want to reiterate that. There are many pieces, but without this one I was missing a large and important part. I’ve recently written about the autonomic nervous system dysfunction too. Autonomic nervous system dysfunction actually creates and/or exacerbates many sorts of hypersensitivities. For me this included the histamine issue is a very big way. For this reason I think that for those of us with protracted withdrawal issues, the autonomic system dysfunction is even more primary. To be clear, without tending to the histamine issue it would be impossible to get to the bottom of the autonomic nervous system issues, so in that regard all things are equal. Histamine intolerance and understanding it is of vital importance for those of us affected. (read more here: http://wp.me/p5nnb-9tW ) includes lots of links and videos too...it's a long post! 1 Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/ withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiaK Posted July 19, 2013 Author Share Posted July 19, 2013 MORE INFO on Histamine Intolerance posted on Beyond Meds today Histamine Intolerance: can be associated with folks getting psych dx http://wp.me/p5nnb-9tW includes lots of links and videos too...it's a long post! Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/ withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Ok I came here today to find a cure for a rash and maybe for a new poster on another site who's husband has hives post fast effexor withdrawal. I am sick taking an antibiotic that increases histamine... oh ya had to be that one. Cefuroxime. I too had skin issues in the beginning more like sores that were infected had them for years they still come. Another sort of rash or sores that come in the exact same place when I am under stress that ooze crust over and eventually go away. And rashes... all kinds of them one I have now is like I have been scalded with hot water itches and burns and the last trip to the dermatologist earned me a cream for infection that made it worse. I have the same issues creams of any kind and have stopped using all body products other than shampoo and Cetaphil gentle face cleanser. I do use antiperspirant on special occasions. I am surprised to find others who can't use creams same as myself. I was thinking it was an allergic reaction which had nothing to do with withdrawal or ssri snri drugs. I am taking the cefuroxime for a lung and possible tooth infection. It has completely wrecked my digestion at this point I am eating tons of probiotics to try and get thru the end of this prescription. I am not sure what prebiotics are and would like to know if prebiotics would be in any way better. Since I am not feeling well I only got half of what I was trying to get out of this thread and will have to come back and re read when I am better if anyone has any ideas for this ongoing 7month rash... that is not drug related.. let me know. Any hints of how to deal with side effects of antibiotics I am all ears. I wanted to add my voice to this discussion and hopefully we can find some answers by working together. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I am curious if anyone else here is sensitive to cleaning products? I seem to sensitive to many and I have noticed Costco cleaning products to be the worst...but others are bad too. Dishwasher soap gives me numb lips and dizziness.... as do kirkland fabric softeners I have to leave the house when people use them. I have given all those cleaners away or tossed them. Walking thru the cleaner section at Walmart can make me ill. Can no longer use nail polish hair dye cosmetics... yep quite a plain Jane these days. Anyone else?? WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Examining Taurine's Role in Ocular Biochemistry and in CL Wear www.clspectrum.com/articleviewer.aspx?articleid=12552 Apr 1, 2004 - Part of the cytoprotective effect of taurine may result from its ability to decrease the release of histamines, interrupting the inflammatory pathway ... I posted some where on sa that I found taurine to help calm my cns on a hunch today I did a search don't have time to follow it up now but there is if you want to take a look. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I have found this idea that baking soda can lower histamine found it here.. . There are several things that can be done to help reduce histamine symptoms at an acute level. The herb Stinging Nettle can help and can be taken as a tea, tincture, or dried herb capsule. One good brand of herbs available at many health food stores is Oregon's Wild Harvest. High quality nettle can also be ordered from Mountain Rose Herbs. AlkaSeltzer Gold is also effective but be sure to use the "gold" version and not the regular formulation. This seems to work by triggering the release of pancreatic enzymes (baking soda also does this, but the effervescent quality of AlkaSeltzer means that it gets through the stomach much more quickly). Lastly, epsom salt baths can be helpful. For an acute situation use 1 cup of salts in the tub unless you are known to be sensitive to it. Epsom salt cream or lotion can also be purchased (from Kirkman) and made if a bath is not a viable option. I bought the lotion from Kirkman because Roo is very resistant to taking a bath (a residual sensory symptom?). My mother in the old day would make her own home made Alka Seltzer with a glass of water tsp of baking soda and white vinegar. I tried this when my gerd was acting up and I had nothing to treat it and it really did help. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I have been doing a lot of reading about this subject and trying to join the dots as to how this could be related to Ad use. There may be a hint in this article here. http://histamino.wordpress.com/category/histamine-intolerance/symptoms-of-histamine-intolerance/ I intend to read it again as so far just did the skimming read. One thing I have read tho I don't know how true it is... baking soda can lower the histamine in your body plain old baking soda. Now I am wondering if I posted that bit of info already... woops if I did. I hope some others would read this article and perhaps we can discuss it further. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy131313 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Gia, hae you had your tryphase levels checked? mine were 3.06 which is apparently low.normal/// i wonder if this means anything damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily severly disabled and lost everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Well this is INTERESTING...in terms of it's implications...I strongly believe histamine is an issue in much psych diagnosis: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130701080938.htm# New Treatment for Schizophrenia? July 1, 2013 — A research group led by professor Jesper Ekelund showed that by giving a very large dose of famotidine (200 mg daily), sufficient amounts of the drug are able to penetrate the so-called blood-brain barrier to affect the histamine system in the brain Famotidine has been used for the treatment of heartburn since the 1980s, but at regular dosing, famotidine almost does not enter the brain at all, since the brain is protected by the blood-brain barrier. By increasing the dosage five-fold the drug is able to enter the brain and affect the histamine system. "Already after one week the symptoms of persons suffering from schizophrenia started to decrease and after four weeks of treatment the symptoms had decreased statistically significantly. The patients that participated in the study were also positively disposed towards the treatment," says Ekelund. Thirty persons suffering from schizophrenia participated in the study. The patients had been on sickness pension for at least five years and were randomly divided into two groups, one which received famotidine and one which received placebo. All of the patients who took famotidine responded positively to the treatment while the symptoms of those who were on a placebo did not change. Schizophrenia is the most common and severe psychotic disorder, and is the cause of at least half of all psychiatric hospital treatment days. No randomized, controlled trials in humans that test the effect of H2 blockade in schizophrenia have been published so far. Innovation in psychiatric medication urgently needed Since 1963, when the subsequent Nobel prize winner Arvid Carlsson showed that dopamine has a central role in psychosis, the so called dopamine-hypothesis has been central in psychosis. All presently available medications for psychosis are based around this principle. Since treatment response is all too often incomplete and side effects common, there is still a great, unmet medical need for medications with other mechanisms of action. Many other signaling substances have been the focus of attention, but so far, the brain histamine system has most widely been regarded as important only with regard to side effects of many psychosis medications. " shouldn't be used directly as treatment for schizophrenia until long-term use of a dose of this size has been proved safe. However, our study shows that the histamine system in the brain offers a novel approach to treating psychosis. This should lead to increased efforts by the pharmaceutical industry to develop medications based on this histamine-based mechanism," says Ekelund. Famotidine works by blocking the histamine H2 receptor. There are important neurons in the brain that use histamine as their primary signaling substance. These neurons have an important role as regulators of other signaling substances. From animal research, it is known that by affecting the histamine system, one can also affect other signaling substances that are known to be involved in schizophrenia. The project has already received international recognition. Katarina Meskanen, one of the members of Ekelunds research group, was awarded the Young Scientist Award of the SCNP (Scandinavian College of Neuropsychopharmacology) and the project has been awarded substantial funding (306,000 USD) from the Stanley foundation for follow-up studies. The research group will replicate the finding through a larger, multinational study in collaboration with Karolinska Institutet in Sweden, where the study is coordinated by professor Jari Tiihonen. I was given this drug in emerg for stomach pain after an accident last year. Had a broken rib pneumonia slept sitting up as I would choke if I laid flat. This was part of the treatment. A second bought of pneumonia raised the dose to double. Within a few days I was have suicidal thoughts out of the blue.. hit like bam. I have been thru this often enough to know this was likely a drug reactions so I looked it up and sure enough 40mg was enough to reach my brain maybe my blood brain barrier is not what it should be due to all the antidepressants I have taken that would not surprise me at all. Side effect depression... is one of them... google Emphasizes the medication famotidine (Pepcid), a drug used in promoting the ...Major side effects include agitation, anemia, confusion, depression, WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acafim Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Hi GiaK, I have found your story very interesting as I can relate somewhat to various aspects of it. I use to take Zoloft for roughly 8 years. Then, for two years, I took Lexapro. Currently, I am on no psychotropic drugs. I have been drug-free for over a year now. Back in 2005, I began experiencing digestive issues mainly heartburn. At this time, I had been taking Zoloft for two years. The heartburn eventually went away. In 2008/09, my digestive symptoms flared up once again. I had all the tests done and came back with a diagnosis of GERD/NERD and fatty liver. I healed the fatty liver by losing weight and stopping Zoloft and switching over to Lexapro. I also took Pariet (PPI drug) for a year. My digestive symptoms stopped again. In 2013, I decided to stop the antidepressants all together as I had enough cognitive tools to deal with my anxiety. I stopped Lexapro in January 2013. In late January 2013, my symptoms flared up bigtime. Since then, I have experienced daily heartburn, indigestion, throat burning, painful throat, pretty much the whole works when it comes to digestion. I have been working with a naturopath to try and heal things naturally. However, nothing has really worked. It was only yesterday that I came across your writtings on histamine and antidepressant use. I have always believed that the antidepressants did something to my digestion. Coming across your article has given me some hope now as I will investigate this area as a potential reason for my daily struggles. I can bearly eat any food without getting a reaction. This is bizarre considering that my IgG Food Sensitivity Test only revealed 9/90 sensitive foods. I will keep researching into this as you have done. Thanks 2003 Began 50mg of Sertraline increasing to 100mg after two months 2003 - 2011 Remained on 100mg of Sertraline 2011 Switched to 10mg of Lexapro 2012 Stopped Lexapro after withdrawing slowly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiaK Posted January 26, 2014 Author Share Posted January 26, 2014 you know for heartburn I've found the body of Chris Kressers work really great...my mother had severe GERD...to the point that surgery was recommended...which is when I stepped in and shared his work with her...she's fine now and didn't have to get surgery. there is a collection of his articles on the topic here: http://beyondmeds.com/2012/06/28/acid-reflux-meds/ that page is no longer on his blog! the link goes to an e-book...but the links that I copied and pasted still go to his free articles on his blog... Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/ withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I think people interested in this topic may well be interested in this article The pathogenesis of EMS remains unknown. The 3 major pathological findings observed in persons with EMS include (1) capillary endothelial cell hyperplasia, with evidence of swelling and necrosis; (2) inflammatory cell infiltration, including monocytes, histiocytes, lymphocytes, macrophages, and plasma cells, and, occasionally, eosinophils in nerve, muscle, and surrounding connective tissue (eg, the subdermal fascial layer [fasciitis]); and (3) increased fibrosis, mostly in fascia but also occasionally in skin. Levels of cytokines interleukin (IL)–2, IL-4, IL-5, interferon gamma, and granulocyte-monocyte colony stimulating factor (GMCSF) are increased in the serum of some patients with EMS. Serum soluble IL-2 receptor (sIL-2R) levels were elevated in 7 patients with EMS compared with controls. Injection of EBT in rodents caused inflammation in the dermis, fascia, and perimysium. In addition, EBT stimulates fibroblast proliferation and collagen synthesis in vitro, but eosinophilia does not develop in EBT-treated animals. The precise role of this contaminant in the pathogenesis of EMS remains uncertain. It may be unnecessary to implicate L-tryptophan impurities in the development of EMS. Excessive oral ingestion of tryptophan supplement inhibits histamine degradation by increasing formation of formate and indolyl metabolites, several of which block the degradation of histamine, thereby potentiating its effects. Increased histamine activity is known to induce peripheral blood eosinophilia and myalgia.[8] Furthermore, patients with hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis dysregulation who do not have EMS also manifest greatly increased sensitivity to ingested tryptophan and histamine. Histamine disequilibrium appears to be a final common pathway for syndromes characterized by eosinophilia with myalgia. I did cherry pick a tiny bit but the rest is interesting too.. found here http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/329614-overview#a0104 WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I saved this link long ago when I had a reaction to lidocaine and learned it was an amine http://aminerecipes.com/what-are-amines/ I did not know it had anything to do with histamine at the time this thread was not here yet I hit on it by accident today... bit of what it says I am not joining the dots too well just now but maybe somebody else can joint them I think it relates will have to get back to it as today is not my day to shine. "When you eat a food high in amines, the histidine it contains is metabolized by enzymes and bacteria to amines which are quickly absorbed in the gut and, in people who are sensitive, an allergy-type of response occurs. The end result is widening of blood vessels, tissue inflammation and swelling just as our own natural histamine creates. Tyramine vs Amine and More… Tyramine is a type of amine, just as histamine is a type of amine. Those on MAOI’s must reduce tyramine rich foods, but can tolerate foods high in histidine because they are broken down differently in the body by different enzymes. Tyramine uses monoamine oxidase, while histamine uses diamine oxidase and other enzymes. Taking diamine oxidase may help you to tolerate foods high in amines, but may not help you if you have a tyramine intolerance. And remember, it takes two sets of enzymes to break down histamine, so the diamine oxidase will only help if it is the enzyme you’re lacking. Salicylates are not considered amines. They are a totally separate form of food chemical. They may stimulate histamine response, but are not considered amines themselves." WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Variations in amine concentration is caused by:1. the source of the foodstuff – proteins can provide the nitrogen in amine production 2. storage conditions – amines increase in the aging of meats and maturing of cheeses 3. fermentation – in brown [fermented] sauces and in Vegemite, Promite and Marmite 4. method of preparation – amines increase at particular temperatures and in browning 5. time, amines increase with storage before and after cooking, and during aging 6. temperature – amines are produced at ideal temperatures for enzyme function 7. acidity – lower acidity increases the amount of amines produced 8. cooking – increases volatilisation and decreases content An increase in flavour intensity – sharpness – is associated with increased levels of amines.Different amines are increased during deterioration (putrefaction) of food. The research literature does acknowledgement individual variation in tolerance. This is known from clinical reports of reactions in people on MAOI medication. Different people may react to particular amines, or at particular doses. Diet detective work can help you work out just what you need to be careful about. See Are You Food Sensitive? WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 FOOD INTOLERANCE NETWORK FACTSHEET Amines IntroductionAmines and specific symptoms behaviourmigraines, depression and other symptomsa possible link with schizophrenia Reader storiesAmine levels in different foodsScientific referencesFurther information http://fedup.com.au/factsheets/additive-and-natural-chemical-factsheets/amines WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMeaning25 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Hi GiaK. I really need some advise. I am currently on a very bad diet mainly consisting of junk food and high in sugars. Ive lived like this my whole life and i think its time to start eating healthy. I want to move over to the anti-histamine diet. How will i do this? Do i first start slowly removing the sugar from my diet then gradually change over? I know there will be detox/withdrawal effects if i stop what im eating "cold turkey" just looking for the safest way to switch over to this diet without serious problems. Where do i start? Any info would be appreciated very much Was on Citalopram 20mg since Feb 2008 - switched to Paxil 20mg in August 2010 Tapered way too fast in April 2012 by skipping days. Taper completed in 6 weeks Tried prozac 20mg for 3 days - felt spaced out, not better. Tried 30mg Cymbalta for 2 days. SEVERE ADVERSE REACTION Antidepressant free since 14 August 2012 Birth control on and off during this time - Last taken 18 June 2017 - Morning after pill Started mainly using 0.5mg Xanax beginning 2016 for severe panic attacks and anxiety due to trauma Xanax on and off never more than 0.5mg at a time, never taking it 3 days in a row - used sparingly 6 Years antidepressant free - Still in severe withdrawal with over 60 symptoms Severe setback started May 2018 with no let up to date. Developed many new symptoms like tremors, inner vibrations, insomnia, visual distortions and dr/dp are 100x worse, i have severe sensitivity to movement, My dizziness and vertigo got worse and it now feels like im constantly rocking on a boat, my anxiety is sky high, suicidal idiation is back, i feel extremely brain damaged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiaK Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 yeah...I think you should try to remove things slowly...and trust your body and your powers of observation to guide you...there isn't an exact way to do this...but fundamental change for most people is easiest to do when done slowly. there is a concept with changing diet called "crowding out" in which you don't cut stuff out so much...but instead start adding good foods...which allow you to let go of old habits... so you might think of really good healthy nutrient dense foods to ADD to your diet rather than concentrating on what you want to exclude... Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/ withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMeaning25 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 yeah...I think you should try to remove things slowly...and trust your body and your powers of observation to guide you...there isn't an exact way to do this...but fundamental change for most people is easiest to do when done slowly. there is a concept with changing diet called "crowding out" in which you don't cut stuff out so much...but instead start adding good foods...which allow you to let go of old habits... so you might think of really good healthy nutrient dense foods to ADD to your diet rather than concentrating on what you want to exclude... Very good advise, thank you very much! I will definitely start adding healthy foods and then slowly eliminate the bad ones. I will let you know if i notice any changes. Sorry - a bit off topic but I am also possibly sitting with Endometriosis. I have not been officially diagnosed as i am too scared to go for a Laparoscopy because of my severe sensitivities. I see on your blog you had this condition and you cured it. Where can i find out more? Was on Citalopram 20mg since Feb 2008 - switched to Paxil 20mg in August 2010 Tapered way too fast in April 2012 by skipping days. Taper completed in 6 weeks Tried prozac 20mg for 3 days - felt spaced out, not better. Tried 30mg Cymbalta for 2 days. SEVERE ADVERSE REACTION Antidepressant free since 14 August 2012 Birth control on and off during this time - Last taken 18 June 2017 - Morning after pill Started mainly using 0.5mg Xanax beginning 2016 for severe panic attacks and anxiety due to trauma Xanax on and off never more than 0.5mg at a time, never taking it 3 days in a row - used sparingly 6 Years antidepressant free - Still in severe withdrawal with over 60 symptoms Severe setback started May 2018 with no let up to date. Developed many new symptoms like tremors, inner vibrations, insomnia, visual distortions and dr/dp are 100x worse, i have severe sensitivity to movement, My dizziness and vertigo got worse and it now feels like im constantly rocking on a boat, my anxiety is sky high, suicidal idiation is back, i feel extremely brain damaged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiaK Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 I healed endometriosis during this time...by working on healing the withdrawals syndrome (and all my health issues)! see: http://beyondmeds.com/2013/01/08/endo-natural/ because, basically everything is connected...being healthy is a holistic endeavor good luck! Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/ withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMeaning25 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Thank you so much GiaK. Will look into it Was on Citalopram 20mg since Feb 2008 - switched to Paxil 20mg in August 2010 Tapered way too fast in April 2012 by skipping days. Taper completed in 6 weeks Tried prozac 20mg for 3 days - felt spaced out, not better. Tried 30mg Cymbalta for 2 days. SEVERE ADVERSE REACTION Antidepressant free since 14 August 2012 Birth control on and off during this time - Last taken 18 June 2017 - Morning after pill Started mainly using 0.5mg Xanax beginning 2016 for severe panic attacks and anxiety due to trauma Xanax on and off never more than 0.5mg at a time, never taking it 3 days in a row - used sparingly 6 Years antidepressant free - Still in severe withdrawal with over 60 symptoms Severe setback started May 2018 with no let up to date. Developed many new symptoms like tremors, inner vibrations, insomnia, visual distortions and dr/dp are 100x worse, i have severe sensitivity to movement, My dizziness and vertigo got worse and it now feels like im constantly rocking on a boat, my anxiety is sky high, suicidal idiation is back, i feel extremely brain damaged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexjuice Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I don't have histamine problem per se but have experienced generally good result with a standard process supllement called antronex for my liver. In researching it I found people have benefitted from it for histamine problems. Standard process is a huge whole food supplement company that is sold throughout north america by alternative health practitioners, beware gluten/allergens though antronex has no gluten and hasn't caused me a problem. Reviews on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Standard-Process-Antronex-330-T/dp/B0019FUFEQ http://www.standardprocess.com/Products/Standard-Process/Antronex https://www.google.com/search?q=antronex+histamine&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb EDIT: Recommend seeing a good practitioner to investigate this. The antronex has a lot of action aside from histamine. Good luck to all. "Well my ship's been split to splinters and it's sinking fast I'm drowning in the poison, got no future, got no past But my heart is not weary, it's light and it's free I've got nothing but affection for all those who sailed with me. Everybody's moving, if they ain't already there Everybody's got to move somewhere Stick with me baby, stick with me anyhow Things should start to get interesting right about now." - Zimmerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meimeiquest Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 For what it is worth, the people at Mensah Medical believe the histamine level, low or high, is a critical divider. 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 For what it is worth, the people at Mensah Medical believe the histamine level, low or high, is a critical divider. Could you please explain what you mean by " a critical divider" WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meimeiquest Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 They think it is the people with high histamine who have the severe homicidal, suicidal ideation with SSRI's. They call them overmethylators. They believe people with low blood histamine are undermethylators, and that they tend to do well on SSRI's. Not that they are recommending SSRI's. Given your research bent, you might want to check them out: mensahmedical.com. It is orthomolecular medicine. 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Thanks for the info I may get to that one day. I just don't see how it would help me now given the damage it done I hope it is done anyway. I did check into orthomolecular medicine there is a center in central Ontario that does this. By the time I was well enough to find it I was already broke and unable to work to make any money they charge 500 dollars for an assessment... so no mon no fun... and nowdays no health either. Wish I had been more inclined to research things when I was drugged but that would have been impossible due to my manic ways...too busy destroying myself and my life when I was drugged I had money... lol just how this goes I guess. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 They think it is the people with high histamine who have the severe homicidal, suicidal ideation with SSRI's. They call them overmethylators. They believe people with low blood histamine are undermethylators, and that they tend to do well on SSRI's. Not that they are recommending SSRI's. Given your research bent, you might want to check them out: mensahmedical.com. It is orthomolecular medicine. I went to their site and took a look seems they are selling a service same as the place I contacted. So I am curious since they don't seem to post their ideas on the site I was just at how do you know they " believe the histamine level, low or high, is a critical divider" did you try their service or did my search turn faulty on me as I searched and got nothing? WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meimeiquest Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Hit the Resources tab. There are links to articles and videos and other sites. 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I found a site thru the links where you can get the test IF you happen to this it relevant and have money https://pyroluriatesting.com/shop/metabolic-panel-includes-kryptopyrrole-serum-copper-zinc-plasma-whole-blood-histamine/ In this one they are testing for pyloria and histamine both I think. Metabolic Panel (includes Kryptopyrrole, Serum Copper, Zinc Plasma, Whole Blood Histamine) $235 For the want of so little money I may do the testing... I use to spend that on dinner now it is food for a month. How things change. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Metabolic Panel + Clinical Consultation $435 of course it is better if you can travel to have this consult in person. more loot WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meimeiquest Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 It is an enormous conundrum...people who are sick don't have money. Doctors with unusual ideas aren't covered by insurance. So sick, broke people should take conventional meds. Dr. Walsh (a chemist, not a doctor) is actually speaking to the APA in upcoming weeks. He needs funding for double-blind studies which they haven't been able to afford. I thought about trying to figure it out myself, but I just can't. Personally, I wouldn't think much of it, but as I read of it, I saw that my sister's doc has used this method, and has taken her off 17 years of Prozac with a two week taper....and it apparently worked! 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 It is an enormous conundrum...people who are sick don't have money. Doctors with unusual ideas aren't covered by insurance. So sick, broke people should take conventional meds. Dr. Walsh (a chemist, not a doctor) is actually speaking to the APA in upcoming weeks. He needs funding for double-blind studies which they haven't been able to afford. I thought about trying to figure it out myself, but I just can't. Personally, I wouldn't think much of it, but as I read of it, I saw that my sister's doc has used this method, and has taken her off 17 years of Prozac with a two week taper....and it apparently worked! What!!! are you joking? now I am going to have to look into you...lol just to see if your real but I don't have the brain for it today...lol I hope your for real 17 years and no withdrawal.. she could be one of the few blessed people we hear of all the time... do you think she is has she tried to get off before and had withdrawal? What is she doing now that is different than other attempts if she has tried and had withdrawal before... I don't know how I feel about this.. the idea there was an answer all this time and I failed to find it has mixed bitter sweet feeling for me... madness and joy both... mixed. I hope it is true but in the years I have been doing this I have heard of many many "cures" that weren't. So I am not convinced that easily. Will she come here herself and tell me? WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 It is an enormous conundrum...people who are sick don't have money. Doctors with unusual ideas aren't covered by insurance. So sick, broke people should take conventional meds. Dr. Walsh (a chemist, not a doctor) is actually speaking to the APA in upcoming weeks. He needs funding for double-blind studies which they haven't been able to afford. I thought about trying to figure it out myself, but I just can't. Personally, I wouldn't think much of it, but as I read of it, I saw that my sister's doc has used this method, and has taken her off 17 years of Prozac with a two week taper....and it apparently worked! Sorry for saying I was checking into you... that was stupid. I read you bio drug history... you have been there too. Are you going to try what you sister is doing or are you waiting and watching for awhile since you likely have learned withdrawal can take a long time to hit with prozac it may be even longer as in months actually some other drugs withdrawals take months to hit too... sorry M for being a jack ass I wish you peace and I hope this is the answer. for some at least it very well could be the answer for some if not all but maybe all.. time will tell WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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