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Thank you to everyone for the research and support, I really, really appreciate it.  Had only 30 minutes sleep in 2 days. Didn't take any more tramadol and had a really bad night last night, finally fell asleep after 4.30am and the little one was awake at 5, so not much sleep at all and none the previous night either. Apparently insomnia is a withdrawal symptom, but also a side effect so no change there really. Thinking I might be able to go back home tomorrow as I haven't had any vertigo today and feel a bit better. Still fuzzy head and nausea but mainly exhausted and washed out. I read about vapour rub for restless legs, so tried it because my legs ached so much and couldn't keep still. I applied it to the soles of my feet, then rubbed the excess off onto my legs and put some socks on over it. That was at 4.30 am and I did fall asleep! Not for long though, when the little one shouted for mummy at 5am I was dragged from sleep and felt rotten for most of the day. I have decided that I will see how the withdrawal goes and if I get any familiar snri withdrawal I will reinstate a bead or 2 of effexor. I am scared of withdrawal  but not because of what I've read here, even though many are suffering so badly I know that it could be short lived. It is because of the withdrawal I suffered and the suicide ideation. It was so bad, I hung on by the skin of my teeth, and the awful insomnia that went on and on relentlessly night after night after night with only minutes of sleep and some nights none at all.  I can't do that again, I know I would have to, but if all it means is taking a couple of beads I will do that to avoid the horrors of withdrawal, then I can taper it again. Not what I wanted but will if I need to. I know it isn't ideal replacing drugs but I am thinking of it as like quitting pristiq and reinstating with effexor because it is easier to count the beads.  Hopefully it won't come to that, watch this space.......

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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I am sorry you are suffering. I hope things calm down for you when you get back home, and you can have your magnesium baths and hopefully get some sleep. I do have a suggestion for the restless legs, it has helped me a great deal, and it even worked the first night I tried it. I have a bar of soap in a sock under the sheets at the end of the bed, and I lay my legs over it... I dont know how or why it works, but it works. I think I am using dove, but any brand of soap should work.  

 

...  I am e-sending positive thoughts your way.

-jan14 2016- off effexor!!-

wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half

-Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg

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I am watching the space is there any way your daughter or somebody could go home with you for awhile... or a nurse to cook or help.... you did just have surgery after all surely there is some home care around... maybe.. if your ok with that.  

 

I respect your choice I hope you don't have the suicidal wd that you had before... I know exactly what you mean we don't need it... got the tshirt.  I agree if one bead will hold that off then one bead it is... if you need to. 

 

In the mean time I am a big believer in rubs... and bath soaks and hot and cold packs or anything that does not go in my system... I use them all all the time. I have a tens machine too but since wd it messes me up more than helps... maybe some laser treatments at a physio place would help... I always find laser helps me... wish they would come to your house so you did not have to go out... I wonder if that is possible. I know they have portable laser units now... oh to be rich if ...likely the rich could get it.. money buys stuff like that I bet. 

 

Please keep us posted Mamma wishing you peace and healing. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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I'm sorry to hear that you're having such a crap time after everything you've been through, mammaP. I really hope you're able to get some sleep -  however little - soon. Thinking of you.

1st Sep '14 - reduced to 18mg from 20mg; 15th Sep - 17mg; 29th Sep -16mg; 21st Oct - 15mg; 10th Nov - 13.5mg; 1st Dec - 13mg;

11th Dec - 12.5mg; 5th Jan '15 - 12mg; 20th Jan - 11.5mg; 11th Feb  - 11mg; 26th Feb - 10.5mg; 5th Mar - 10mg; 1st Apr - 9mg; 29th Apr - 8.5mg; 29th May - 8mg; 18th Jun - 7.7mg; 9th July - 7.4mg; 11th Aug - 6.8mg; 2nd Sep - 6.5mg; 12th Sep - 6.3mg; 26th Sep - 6mg; 10th Oct - 5.7mg; 30th Oct - 5.3mg; 28th Nov - 4.8mg; 20th Dec - 4.4mg. 

Medication History:

January 1997: 20mg Paroxetine (Seroxat) daily for depression with anxiety. CT withdrawal attempted 1997 and 1999. Dividing pills withdrawal attempted 2002. Liquid/pill 13 month tapered withdrawal 2007/8. Started to become very ill days after CTing at 2mg. Prescribed other antidepressants (CitalopramMirtazipine) but neither were as effective and had more side effects, so Paroxetine 20mg reinstated June 2008.

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Just checking to see how you are doing Mamma I hope you are ok. 

peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Thanks Clarabella and everyone else too. I'm feeling a bit better today. I had 3 hours sleep split over 6 days and yesterday was so desperate. I felt withdrawal and have felt worse withdrawal, but coupled with no sleep and awful pain it was terrible. I had to get home, I love my family but just couldn't sleep and didn't know what to do with myself. I just wanted to hole up and hibernate. Trying to cope with severe pain and no pain relief, everything made me so sick. I took nothing for around 5 days and the dizziness and sickness started to ease up. I threw some chicken in the slow cooker and made soup, I had bought some ready made meals in from the farm shop before I went into hospital, expensive but freshly made with organic stuff. I have been eating those too and my stomach started to settle down.  

Yesterday I was desperate and couldn't face another night tossing around in pain so I took half a tramadol and it was fine!  I really, really didn't want to do that and was expecting to be ill, but was giving it one last try before I burned the lot!  I went to bed and the pain ebbed away, then slept for 2 hours before I woke needing the loo. Couldn't get back to sleep but wasn't in pain, just did my mindful meditation and took myself off to warm sunny places. Not sleeping didn't matter because I had slept for 2 hours and wasn't in pain.   

 

Today have been weak and washed out but feel like I've turned a corner.  I've also been able to have my epsom salts baths again, that really makes a difference.  I've arranged for someone to come in and help with the housework but she can't star until next week, the dust will still be here waiting! 

I'm going to stick with the half tramadol once a day, like I did before but 25mg instead of 100.  If I can get some relief from such a low dose it will be ok.

I think there was a lot going on for me, the surgery, the drugs building up and the change of diet. Hopefully things will continue to get better.  Now I am going to run a bath and go to bed. Sorry I haven't been here for anyone, I'll be back soon.   :wub:

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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I am sending you sleepy fairy dust. Insomnia is such a problem for you and you have topped that with pain and diet changes, its no wonder you are having a rough go at it. May ease and peace fill your night. 

Current:

Lorazapam2mg: 4/9/152mg - 1.5mg: already sick/nothing noticed. No changes in sleep noted after illness.  

Lamictal: 7/27/13 - 8/6/13: 400mg - 500mg(dr order) mouth sores, headache, cognitive/balance, heart palp...8/7/13 - 8/23/13: 500mg - 400mg; symptoms↓...10/10/13: 350mg; fever/flu-like <2-weeks...12/30/13: 325mg; fever/flu-like symptoms <1-week...2/10/17: 300mg; no significant changes noted. 

 

Discontinued:

Omeprazole: 09/2103 40mg...5/1/14: 20mg... 8/21/14 = 0

Wellbutrin: 11/22/13: 300mg – 225mg...12/6/13 delayed reaction- mood swings, weight↓, heart palp/chest pain, alerting...12/14/13: 187mg; physical symptoms↓, neuro emotions ↑, weight stable...12/20/13: 225mg; physical symptoms return, emotions stable <1-week, weight↓...4/21/14: 187mg; weight↑...5/17/14 (neurologist ordered discontinue asap):168mg; headache, mood swings, ↑weight, sleep flux...5/24/14: 150mg; headache, mood swings, ↓cognitive/balance...6/2/14: 112mg; see above, weight stable, <3-weeks... 6/28/14: 100mg; moody...7/25/14: 87.5mg; family troubles... 8/4/14: 75mg; headaches; moody... 8/9/1450mg headaches... 8/12/14: 37.5mg; 8/17/14: 25mg...8/26/14 = 0

Hydroxyzine; 10mg: 5/20/15 *prn 4/5 times then dc'd. Mood changes/rage 

Buspirone: 7.5mg: 5/20/15 *prn 4/5 times then dc'd. No changes.

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Glad of all the better news... I just know your on your way in the right direction...Bravo for that I know now you will be ok that truly eases my mind thank you for the update.   Hugs to you Mamma  :)

peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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I'm glad your better xxx

2000 - sertraline for job anxiety low confidence (17 years old) ..which turned the next 16 years into nightmare!

 

On/off sertraline severe withdrawals every time. 2014 - felt better as reduced dose of sertraline no more inner restlessness. Doctor rushed off again. Hit severe withdrawal. Lost the little I had in life. Couldn't get stable again on 12.5mg. Was switched to prozac. Had severe reaction to prozac..came off in November 2015 at 6mg as felt more confused and damaged on it..Even more withdrawal ..rage, depression, dyphoria, near constant suicidal ideation, self harm impulses, doom, concrete block in head, unable to do much of anything with this feeling in head..went back on 6mg of sertraline to see if would alleviate anything. It didn't..reduced from December to June 2016 came off at 2.5mg sertraline as was hospitalised for the severe rage, suicidal impulses, and put on 50mg lofepramine which in 2nd week reduced all symptoms but gave insomnia which still have..psych stopped lofepramine cold turkey..no increased withdrawal symptoms new symptoms from lofepramine except persistant insomnia which has as side effect.

 

Taking Ativan for 8 months for the severe rage self harm impulses 1-3 times a week (mostly 2 times a week) at .5mg. Two months (I'm unsure exactly when the interdose started to happen) ago interdose withdrawal seemed to happen..2 days I think after the Ativan.

 

 

Nightmare that could have been avoided!

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Thank you for the hugs and peace, Feeling fine but sleep is my 'normal'  2-3 hours. I can cope with that though and am sure it is going to increase. The quality of sleep has improved and I feel better for it. 

 

It's really funny because yesterday I was really pleased and happy with myself....why? I stitched a button on my jacket! Then I laughed because it was such a big deal  :lol:. Tomorrow I have my post op check and will get the go ahead to drive, then I will see just how much better I am when I can get out and about, see how far I can go at the shops  ;) . Then Sunday I am going out for the day with friends, it will be a test to see how I do without painkillers. It is ok when I'm not pushing my body but I can't just sit here forever.   :huh:

 

I was watching tv when opera came on, Opera is too loud for me it hurts my brain so I muted it. It is hilarious! Watching the contorted faces as they use every single muscle to get the sound out is really funny. No disrespect to those who love opera, I love to listen to it sometimes but since tapering it hurts my brain. I have never watched without sound before and never noticed the faces when listening. it is an eye opener  :D

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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thanks,mamma-you gave me a good laugh just picturing them singing :lol:

 

hope you keep improving :)

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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Nice to have you back :) onward and upward. 

peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Glad you are doing a bit better. I am really rooting for you, and following you closely. I had a laugh when you said opera is too loud... I always get opera and Oprah mixed up, dont know why, but i always have... so i thought you were saying Oprah was too loud, and I was quite confused, until I realized you meant opera. I am happy that you are getting out and about, I think its a true sign of healing when one wants to be out in public. 

-jan14 2016- off effexor!!-

wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half

-Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg

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I hope today goes well and would it be correct to say that I am chuffed at your progress?

 

(I always wanted to use that word in a sentence so I hope I passed).

What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878

 

July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site.

 

Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey.

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Thank you everyone,  it means a lot to me that I have your support. The last few weeks have been a nightmare but then I had a brilliant window but sdaly feeling yukky again  :( . The dizziness is back so not sure what to do about that. It's not the vertigo with the room spinning just light headed and dizzyish, I can fall over sometimes but thankfully haven't actually fallen down as theres been something to grab or my sticks have kept me upright till it passes. Sleep has gone again, I had just the one night with good sleep then back to insomnia, 3 nights with maybe an hour, it's hard to say because I was watching the clock and might have had micro sleeps in between for a few minutes but no more than 10 minutes at a time if any at all. I was wide awake but my body screaming for sleep.   

 

I didn't sleep at all on Saturday night so it wasn't so hard to get up at 5.15 to get ready. I went to a convention and was there at 8.15am, it went on till 4pm  with an hour break for lunch. I loved being there among people which is AMAZING, I haven't been to one for many years, since effexor!  Sadly it was just too much and I ended up in the first aid room for the afternoon on a hospital trolley.  They were brilliant and spoilt me with pillows, blankets and cups of tea. They could see I was in a lot of pain and took me straight to the 'bed' when I asked if there was somewhere I could put my feet up. My back isn't strong enough to support my upper body so sitting upright for so long caused a lot of pain, plus the hip pain it was excruciating and couldn't take anything for it.  Last night was another sleepless night too, but today I am having a new bed delivered  :D . Hopefully it will help me get a better sleep. I love my bed, it is comfy and gives me a hug but it is a small one and turning over is not easy with a memory mattress and I get too hot so there is nowhere to find a cold spot. I went to the bed shop and tried all the beds to make sure it would be comfy, I didn't want to order online and get one that is not tight. Plus they will take it right into the bedroom and set it up. And it was on sale so win win all round.  I have no doubt whatsoever I will be in it as soon as it has arrived and been set up  ;) .

 

Now the other news. I had my post op appointment with the ortho consultant and he is really pleased with the progress. I told him my knee isn't sitting right and more painful than the hip sometimes so he sent me for x rays.  The cartilage on one side is non existent and it is bone on bone, which I already knew from my last hospital. He said he will do a partial knee replacement and would book it now  :o .  I almost ran out of there on me gammy legs screaming!  He said that it would be better to have the partial now because it is a smaller operation, and if I don't I will need a full replacement as it will deteriorate quite quickly now the hip has been replaced. I wish I had told him about the knee before, he doesn't have my notes and didn't know how bad it was. I think if he had known he would have done the hip and knee together which would have been much better and have been over with now. 

 

I still haven't recovered from the hip, it's 6 weeks now and my body is still struggling, and I would have all the issues with pain relief again. I don't know if I can go through that again. My family are all saying to go for it rather than wait for it to get so bad that a total replacement id the only way to go. I knew I would need a replacement in the future but wasn't expecting it to be so soon and don't know what to do. Today I feel ill and can't even consider it. He has given me 6 weeks to think about it and if I agree he will book me in and it will be 6 weeks later so 3 months from now. 

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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You have time to think about it maybe in that time you feel better and have an easier time deciding.  I am all for putting things out of my mind for a better time I do this all the time to save my sanity.  I hope the new bed is a wonder.  I hope they make it too.. last illness I had a heck of a time making the bed.. took the entire day to make the bed... I would do some go away try again later.  I hope they make it and you can get right in and sleep like a baby. 

peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Hi mammaP, I'm so sorry to read about the need for the knee op on top of everything else :( I suppose agreeing to have it done in 3 months, rather than

waiting until you need a full replacement would be lesser of 2 evils, but an evil nonetheless considering the physical trauma your body's just been put through. I really hope that in 6 weeks' time you'll be in a position where you can confidently say "yay" or "nay" to another op. Hopefully, you'll have recovered enough to know instinctively know what's best for your body (and mind) at that point. I can see that it's a tough one right now.

 

Hope the new bed's making a difference and gives you the hug you deserve :)

1st Sep '14 - reduced to 18mg from 20mg; 15th Sep - 17mg; 29th Sep -16mg; 21st Oct - 15mg; 10th Nov - 13.5mg; 1st Dec - 13mg;

11th Dec - 12.5mg; 5th Jan '15 - 12mg; 20th Jan - 11.5mg; 11th Feb  - 11mg; 26th Feb - 10.5mg; 5th Mar - 10mg; 1st Apr - 9mg; 29th Apr - 8.5mg; 29th May - 8mg; 18th Jun - 7.7mg; 9th July - 7.4mg; 11th Aug - 6.8mg; 2nd Sep - 6.5mg; 12th Sep - 6.3mg; 26th Sep - 6mg; 10th Oct - 5.7mg; 30th Oct - 5.3mg; 28th Nov - 4.8mg; 20th Dec - 4.4mg. 

Medication History:

January 1997: 20mg Paroxetine (Seroxat) daily for depression with anxiety. CT withdrawal attempted 1997 and 1999. Dividing pills withdrawal attempted 2002. Liquid/pill 13 month tapered withdrawal 2007/8. Started to become very ill days after CTing at 2mg. Prescribed other antidepressants (CitalopramMirtazipine) but neither were as effective and had more side effects, so Paroxetine 20mg reinstated June 2008.

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Thank you Clarabella and BTDT, sadly my new bed hasn't made a bit of difference and the insomnia is relentless. My head is fuzzy and still very dizzy but thankfully not the room spinning vertigo of a few weeks ago. Still can't drive but because of the insomnia, my brain just isn't functioning!  I know it will pass, but in the meantime it is awful. Last night I went to be about 12, and was asleep probably just after 1, (it was 1 when I looked at the clock before falling asleep) . I woke up bright as a button, and it was 2.20  :huh: .  That was it, no second sleep and that is typical. Yesterday I was falling asleep at 6.30am when I was woken by a text message, it felt like I had a real nasty hangover being dragged from the start of sleep and didn't get another minute.

 

 I know this is withdrawal, either from the cut in tramadol, or the effexor, but this is all it is, nothing more right now than the insomnia and dizziness which is better than the room spinning vertigo, and I feel that it is because of the insomnia which I know will settle down and get better in time. I would give anything right now for my 2 hour sleeps! The last time I slept for a few  hours I felt really good and had a lovely little window for a few days.  I'm hanging onto that memory.  I can't keep my eyes open now, they are closing and I'm having to squint through half open eyes to see. But when I let them close my brain will not sleep, I can get comfy and cosy in bed but sleep eludes me.  I seem to be repeating myself over and over here because sleep has been my biggest problem for years. I think it may be time to try sleep restriction again. It helped before and I was getting 4 hours but the sleep doctor said I should wait until my taper was finished and am stabilised before trying again.  The urge to see the doctor for some sleep drug or other is so strong but I am not going to go there!!  

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Hope it improves for you xxx

2000 - sertraline for job anxiety low confidence (17 years old) ..which turned the next 16 years into nightmare!

 

On/off sertraline severe withdrawals every time. 2014 - felt better as reduced dose of sertraline no more inner restlessness. Doctor rushed off again. Hit severe withdrawal. Lost the little I had in life. Couldn't get stable again on 12.5mg. Was switched to prozac. Had severe reaction to prozac..came off in November 2015 at 6mg as felt more confused and damaged on it..Even more withdrawal ..rage, depression, dyphoria, near constant suicidal ideation, self harm impulses, doom, concrete block in head, unable to do much of anything with this feeling in head..went back on 6mg of sertraline to see if would alleviate anything. It didn't..reduced from December to June 2016 came off at 2.5mg sertraline as was hospitalised for the severe rage, suicidal impulses, and put on 50mg lofepramine which in 2nd week reduced all symptoms but gave insomnia which still have..psych stopped lofepramine cold turkey..no increased withdrawal symptoms new symptoms from lofepramine except persistant insomnia which has as side effect.

 

Taking Ativan for 8 months for the severe rage self harm impulses 1-3 times a week (mostly 2 times a week) at .5mg. Two months (I'm unsure exactly when the interdose started to happen) ago interdose withdrawal seemed to happen..2 days I think after the Ativan.

 

 

Nightmare that could have been avoided!

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Oh my goodness, MammaP, you have been through so much, and you are so strong! You're an inspiration to me. I'm sorry you're suffering so much, though, and not getting any sleep. I will stop whining about my 6 hours, for sure!

 

I wish there was something I could do to help you. Just know that I am thinking of you, if that helps at all. Gentle virtual hugs and soft energy waves coming your way...

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                1

Feb 2022            6                      0!!!                     0.00167               0.98                2.5 mg Ambien

Oct 2022       4.5 mg Lamictal    (off Celexa, off Xanax)   0.95 Valium    Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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Hopefully time will be the cure.  I am sorry your sleep is bad again.  

Wishing you sleep and peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Oh that brain of yours - I wish I could give it a gentle little massage to help it quiet down so that you could get some sleep! I honestly do not know how you function with the tiny sleep you do manage to get. You amaze me. I would not (am not) friendly or functional after a few nights of not sleeping and yet here you are hopeful and posting encouragement on others' threads. Yes, amazing. 

 

I think you will find the knee surgery to be very beneficial. I have had both of mine worked on and it made such a difference. I know that I would fall much more if they hadn't been done. I don't have the same situation as you but stable knees helped me with a tipped hip. So did buying shoes that actually fit. I am sorry that you are looking at another surgery tho. I know how you struggle with the medications and pain control. But for now - you don't have vertigo and you are healing. 

 

Prayers that you find a few consecutive hours of sleep! 

Current:

Lorazapam2mg: 4/9/152mg - 1.5mg: already sick/nothing noticed. No changes in sleep noted after illness.  

Lamictal: 7/27/13 - 8/6/13: 400mg - 500mg(dr order) mouth sores, headache, cognitive/balance, heart palp...8/7/13 - 8/23/13: 500mg - 400mg; symptoms↓...10/10/13: 350mg; fever/flu-like <2-weeks...12/30/13: 325mg; fever/flu-like symptoms <1-week...2/10/17: 300mg; no significant changes noted. 

 

Discontinued:

Omeprazole: 09/2103 40mg...5/1/14: 20mg... 8/21/14 = 0

Wellbutrin: 11/22/13: 300mg – 225mg...12/6/13 delayed reaction- mood swings, weight↓, heart palp/chest pain, alerting...12/14/13: 187mg; physical symptoms↓, neuro emotions ↑, weight stable...12/20/13: 225mg; physical symptoms return, emotions stable <1-week, weight↓...4/21/14: 187mg; weight↑...5/17/14 (neurologist ordered discontinue asap):168mg; headache, mood swings, ↑weight, sleep flux...5/24/14: 150mg; headache, mood swings, ↓cognitive/balance...6/2/14: 112mg; see above, weight stable, <3-weeks... 6/28/14: 100mg; moody...7/25/14: 87.5mg; family troubles... 8/4/14: 75mg; headaches; moody... 8/9/1450mg headaches... 8/12/14: 37.5mg; 8/17/14: 25mg...8/26/14 = 0

Hydroxyzine; 10mg: 5/20/15 *prn 4/5 times then dc'd. Mood changes/rage 

Buspirone: 7.5mg: 5/20/15 *prn 4/5 times then dc'd. No changes.

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MammaP! Hope all is going well and you're getting a little more sleep.

-jan14 2016- off effexor!!-

wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half

-Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg

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I hope your sleep is back and your snoring  -_-

wishing you peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Still not sleeping and it has been a hectic (for me) few days. 3 days running I was out socialising,  Went to my daughters to help with the boys  and stayed over. No sleep there for 2 nights, not even a minute. They had a party and I escaped to bed at 8.30pm  because it was just too much stimulation. People, noise, children all having fun, all really good stuff but to a sensitive system it was just too much. Didn't sleep but watched some movies and talked to the kids when they vcame searching me out because I was missing.  :wub: . ( It was fancy dress and I was Mary Poppins  :lol:) . I was so, so tempted to sneak a bottle of something but knew it would make things worse so resisted the temptation  :excl:

 

Next day was a 3 hour meeting, and the day after that another party! I couldn't escape that time because I had been collected by friends and had to wait until they were ready to leave.  It was one that had lots of families with children so started in the afternoon and was to end early but went on for longer and my head was ready to burst by the time we left.  I wanted to turn down both invitations but I always turn things down and was fed up with saying no for years.Today has been hard, it affected me more than I imagined, the noise was just too much for my poor brain and I can still hear the band playing Rock, and we were sat right by the speakers  :o .  I slept a little last night but very brief 'naps'  I am going to make an appointment to see an osteopath locally and see if she can help. A friend told me that she took her youngster for cranial osteopathy and suddenly he started sleeping. The osteopath here said it can help adults too so I'm going to try, I'll try anything right now, except doctors!   I'm staying up till 2am, and making coffee (decaff) at 7am, getting up at 8am. Hoping that it will train my brain to sleep. 

 

I sometimes think that I must be sleeping some, even if it doesn't feel like it, but I can jot down the times and how I'm feeling, cant do that asleep, I don't think so anyway  :unsure: . I read an article about sleep deprivation and the long term effects on the body. Long term as in 20-30 years, and found that it causes problems with bones! I never knew that and it explains why my bones are so bad. The body regenerates during sleep and repairs itself so my body just aint getting it's maintained like it should. I feel so much better after a few hours sleep, I'd be happy with 4 hours a night, Maggie Thatcher reportedly slept only 4 hours and functioned well, so maybe I would function much better  but I won't be offering to run the country ;).   

 

Now it is 1.45am and I have to be in bed by 2, without technology! I know I shouldn't be on here before bed, but I do have the software that fades the light  so maybe that will be ok. I haven't been using the computer so late since I started my new schedule but it hasn't made any difference! 

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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MP,

 

I know your insomnia is a complex problem and of longstanding duration. Be interesting, if you follow through with it, if the cranial osteopathy has an effect. Made me think about this device.

 

I wonder, had you thought of giving this a try:

 

http://www.fisherwallace.com/?gclid=CMz6or7omMUCFUcdgQoddBYAtA

 

There's a thread in symptoms, btw. Not specific for insomnia but as there appear to be no downsides overall, might be worth a shot. Except if price is an issue (they ARE pricey....)

 

I want you to be fixed in the worst way, you have suffered enough.

What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878

 

July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site.

 

Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey.

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Thanks CW, I looked at that little gadget and sadly it is far too expensive and I couldn't find it in the UK , but I did find a similar gadget that is a little cheaper but still hundreds of pounds. Reviews look very good so I will definitely think about it and keep my eyes peeled for a used one, I'm not proud  ;) .

 

Today has been a bad day, so so tired, the weekend was just too much and with no sleep either I am completely exhausted and very weepy.  I went to bed this afternoon and actually slept for an hour, a very deep sleep that was hard to wake up from but it was much needed sleep so not complaining! That is part of my 'cycle' of  weird sleep. I start sleeping in 90 minute stretches, deep sleep that is odd with dreams and not sure if I am awake or asleep. Typically I'll have 2 of those and sometimes one in the day too but it isn't refreshing and feel even more exhausted. That will then give way to my 'normal'  broken sleep that is good sleep, just not enough of it but the best I get. Hopefully that will be soon.   And now I am going back to bed, I took some inositol with my magnesium and feel sleepy so maybe it will help me to get some decent sleep. I tried it a while back but only took one for a few nights and it ddn't help, tonight I have taken 2 so will see if it is any better. Watch this space! 

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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This is the device I purchased and have yet to use. There are some links about tDCS on the right hand side of this page. If it looks interesting to you, I'll send you my device. Seriously. I am too busy at the moment to use it and if I feel I need it in the future, it was inexpensive and I can purchase another one. PM me if interested.

What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878

 

July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site.

 

Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey.

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Thank you CW, that's very kind of you  :). I'll PM you. 

 

This has been an awful week, and felt really ill not doing anything. The insomnia ia crippling, night after night of no sleep. That and withdrawal symptoms too, dizzy and nausea, almost brain zaps but not quite. Crying at everything and anything. Not able to read and retain anything and just generally c*** sorry for the almost naughty word  :blush:.  Wednesday was rock bottom and I was in so much pain that I updosed the tramadol from 25mg to 50 again. I was taking 100mg originally and tapered down to 25 because of the side effects.  Last night was the second night of 50 and I slept some. Today I feel much better. I knew the WD was the tramadol rather than effexor, it is different but there could be some effexor withdrawal lurking somewhere. The dizziness is better too, which is odd because the tramadol was causing the dizziness and nausea to start with!  

These drugs are so weird and disgusting, can't live with them and can't live without them. I'd been hoping to switch to some other pain relief  but can't while taking tramadol, and can't quit the tramadol C/T because of the SNRI in it  :angry: .

I had a conversation with a pharmacist about the SNRI and tried to find out the equivalence between that and effexor, is it equal to 20, 50, 200 or what?  They didn't know and couldn't find out. Said to ask my doctor, that's a laugh   :lol: !!  She did say that it would be very worrying for her if a doctor substituted it with effexor to taper it and thought withdrawal would be minimal. I've been tortured with the withdrawal this week and it is several weeks since I cut down after reactions following surgery 9 weeks ago.  I'll stick with this for a while and see how it goes. I have 2 weeks before I see the consultant and tell him whether I will have the partial knee replacement.  I can't do it without some decent pain relief that doesn't make me so ill! 

 

While I was feeling so rough I couldn't be on the computer and didn't know what to do with myself. I couldn't physically do anything so I picked up my beads and did some beading. That is what I did when I was sick and bedridden, I'd forgotten how well it passes time! And I have a necklace and earrings to show off to anyone who pops by.  :P .  My grandson is due any minute, he is having a sleepover at Grandmas, he's been asking for weeks if I am better yet  :wub:

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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mamma, hi.

 

i am so sorry for your awful week - the symptoms sound absolutely horrid. i hope you soon experience a steady ascent to a place of better stability. it's great that today is finding you in a better place of comfort!  :)

 

amidst all of your withdrawal symptoms, it sounds like you have many real life events happening as well - the prospect of another surgery (eek!) and a sleepover with your grandson (very nice!). hopefully by the time you see the consultant about the knee replacement possibility, you will be feeling much improved.

 

hang in there, glad to hear your update!

 

dave

1996 - .5mg Ativan as needed, 7.5mg Remeron daily2008 - .5mg Xanax, Ativan discontinued, Remeron continued2012 - .5mg Xanax, .25mg Ativan 3x daily, Remeron continued2/2012 - Jumped from Remeron, continued .5mg Xanax .25mg Ativan 3x daily4/2012 - Began rapid taper of .5mg Xanax .25mg Ativan 3x daily6/2012 - Jumped from Xanax and Ativan, voluntary hospitalization followed7/2012 - 2nd voluntary hospitalization, reinstated Remeron, bumped to 30mg, also given risperidone.8/2012 - discontinued risperidone, tried gabapentin, dicontinued gabapentin, Remeron 30mg continued10/2012 to current - tapered Remeron 10% every 4 to 6 weeks (sometimes more time) using liquid compound12/2014 - 2mg Remeron 1/16/2015 - 1.9mg Remeron 8/1/2015 -1.6mg Remeron - 03/1/2016 - 1.5mg Remeron - 1/2/2017 1.3mg - 5/7/2017 1.2mg - 5/13/2017 - syringe size change - 6/8/2017 - 1.1mg - 7/10/2017 - 1mg - 9/1/2017 - 0.9mg - 10/22/2017 - 0.8mg - 11/22/2017 - 0.7mg - 2/2/2018 - 0.6mg - 3/13/2018 - new compound pharmacy - 5/20/2018 - 0.5mg - 8/31/2018 - 0.4mg - 11/16/2018 - 0.3mg - 12/24/2018 - 0.2mg - 4/1/2019 - 0.1mg - 5/1/2019 - .05mg - 0mg achieved 2019-06-15. 🤞

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Thank you CW, that's very kind of you  :). I'll PM you. 

 

This has been an awful week, and felt really ill not doing anything. The insomnia ia crippling, night after night of no sleep. That and withdrawal symptoms too, dizzy and nausea, almost brain zaps but not quite. Crying at everything and anything. Not able to read and retain anything and just generally c*** sorry for the almost naughty word  :blush:.  Wednesday was rock bottom and I was in so much pain that I updosed the tramadol from 25mg to 50 again. I was taking 100mg originally and tapered down to 25 because of the side effects.  Last night was the second night of 50 and I slept some. Today I feel much better. I knew the WD was the tramadol rather than effexor, it is different but there could be some effexor withdrawal lurking somewhere. The dizziness is better too, which is odd because the tramadol was causing the dizziness and nausea to start with!  

These drugs are so weird and disgusting, can't live with them and can't live without them. I'd been hoping to switch to some other pain relief  but can't while taking tramadol, and can't quit the tramadol C/T because of the SNRI in it  :angry: .

I had a conversation with a pharmacist about the SNRI and tried to find out the equivalence between that and effexor, is it equal to 20, 50, 200 or what?  They didn't know and couldn't find out. Said to ask my doctor, that's a laugh   :lol: !!  She did say that it would be very worrying for her if a doctor substituted it with effexor to taper it and thought withdrawal would be minimal. I've been tortured with the withdrawal this week and it is several weeks since I cut down after reactions following surgery 9 weeks ago.  I'll stick with this for a while and see how it goes. I have 2 weeks before I see the consultant and tell him whether I will have the partial knee replacement.  I can't do it without some decent pain relief that doesn't make me so ill! 

 

While I was feeling so rough I couldn't be on the computer and didn't know what to do with myself. I couldn't physically do anything so I picked up my beads and did some beading. That is what I did when I was sick and bedridden, I'd f#3orgotten how well it passes time! And I have a necklace and earrings to show off to anyone who pops by.  :P .  My grandson is due any minute, he is having a sleepover at Grandmas, he's been asking for weeks if I am better yet  :wub:

I had to stop right here cause I know you know this and just need a reminder if your anything like me knowledge comes and goes.. with thinking ability. 

 

"The dizziness is better too, which is odd because the tramadol was causing the dizziness and nausea to start with!  "

 

It is the same with other drugs start up symptoms we are told to ignore the tolerance symptoms and wd... a lot of similar symptoms.  

I was dizzy starting E... I was dizzy in tolerance ... I was dizzy in wd. 

 

That is how it goes and why it is confusing and when we get under the weather or in the thick of up dosing or lowering dose we can't think and forget this sometimes. 

Just a reminder. ... 

 

"I'd been hoping to switch to some other pain relief  but can't while taking tramadol, and can't quit the tramadol C/T because of the SNRI in it   :angry: ."

 

I have been thinking about this too... since T#3 works but I sometimes take a lot of it and it is bad for my liver. The drug that seems to be pushed on me the most is the Nucynta doctors seem to know little about it and I get different stories depending on who I ask a specialist questioned why I did not take it when emerg gave it to me... he asked if I had an earlier problem with demeral which he thought was in it... this was on a "I can't think today day"  I sat there like a deer in the headlights not sure what I said or if I said anything.  We all know it is the norepinephrine I don't want to take because it is in Effexor and may react on me like Effexor did... 

I took tramadol too long ago under it's own name and some other names generic... who knows what that caused I can't recall...but added all together it got me here. 

 

My last chat about pain meds got me gp back onto Nucynta again she said to me "it is non addictive is what I know"...famous last words out of a doctors mouth. I just nodded... and said hmm that is interesting. 

 

Got my T#3 script and went home... I don't know where to go next with this I keep hoping for a miracle. Till then it will the least T#3 I can get away with. 

 

bit of my story in there to Mamma sometimes I can't figure out how to say things by themselves and have to add my own stuff to get a point across... we both know Nucynta is not non addictive so if they try to push that one on your beware it has norepinepherine in it.

 

Hope your visit with your grandson goes well wishing you peace

B

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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 Tramadol inhibitsnorepinephrine transporter function at desipramine-binding sites

 

 Nucynta (tapentadol) ... is thought to be due to mu-opioid agonist activity and the inhibition of norepinephrine reuptake

 

I don't want anything in my body that touches noreinephrine ever again tho I have had moments where I thought about it I should throw it out so I am never tempted.

peace to you Mamma

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Post-marketing Experience

The following additional adverse reactions have been identified during post-approval use of Nucynta®. Because these reactions are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to estimate their frequency reliably.

Gastrointestinal disorders: diarrhea

Nervous system disorders: headache

Psychiatric disorders: hallucination, suicidal ideation, panic attack

Cardiac disorders: palpitations

Anaphylaxis, angioedema, and anaphylactic shock have been reported very rarely with ingredients contained in Nucynta®. Advise patients how to recognize such reactions and when to seek medical attention.

 

Who needs all that not us :) 

 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Gp's can be so naive where drugs are concerned! I'll certainly do my homework when prescribed any other drugs, or let you do it for me MT, you are good at finding things! 

 

I have my grandson now, we went for lunch with mummy and he waved her goodbye and blew kisses. He is just 4, when we came in the house he said " I love you Grandma " as he was taking his shoes off. My heart melted and to think a few days ago I was wondering why I am here because I'm no use to anyone  :o .  It is such a difference, things can swing from the lowest of the low and back again, no wonder doctors always think it's bi-polar. If I had seen my doctor this week and told her how I felt they would have said it was def my 'bi-polar' and would had me in the hospital.  :angry:

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Grand kids I wish I had some enjoy your time :) so happy your on the upswing... :)

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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