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squirrel

Hi all, because of my remaining symptoms I am finding it very difficult to go out alone. I feel spaced out , my legs are like jelly, my surroundings seem fuzzy and I just feel so out of it!. also add to that feeling unbalanced ( because of dizziness) and the whole experience is an ordeal.anyone else experience this?

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Phil

I have this too :(

Just today I had to go to the doctors and felt pretty much exactly as you describe. Afterwards I wanted to look in a shop but just felt too anxious.

I try to keep telling myself that its just the withdrawal and its ok to feel anxious, and to be gentle on myself with it and take it slowly. I try to just focus on what I'm doing rather than what's around me. Helps cope with it but it's still hard.

 

It's one of those things that will get better with time I presume. Is there anyone who can help assist you doing things when going out, squirrel?

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squirrel

yeah i have soeone to go with , but need to do stuff on my own. How long you been off Phil?

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Phil

I'm still on 1mg Lexapro. How long have you been off, squirrel?

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squirrel

6 years but I also have problems with my balance thanks to seroxat so that does not help.

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Punarbhava

I have this too :(

Just today I had to go to the doctors and felt pretty much exactly as you describe. Afterwards I wanted to look in a shop but just felt too anxious.

I try to keep telling myself that its just the withdrawal and its ok to feel anxious, and to be gentle on myself with it and take it slowly. I try to just focus on what I'm doing rather than what's around me. Helps cope with it but it's still hard.

 

It's one of those things that will get better with time I presume. Is there anyone who can help assist you doing things when going out, squirrel?

 

 

Phil........

 

you have brought forward a few very important and effective strategies (in bold text) that indeed do help.

 

 

Excellent advice and good work Phil!

 

 

Squirrel, I schedule my outings during non-peak hours. Things are quieter in the stores. Besides, my CNS can tolerate things a bit better in the early to mid evening. As the evening progresses, I can feel sick again, especially before retiring. So, it's important to schedule things during the hours when our CNS can handle things better.

 

If we push ourselves at the wrong time of day, it can make us feel worse. Other times pushing a bit can help. Trying to gauge between these two variables can be challenging and even confusing at times.

 

I've had to force myself to live the "Less is More" concept. Do a little, rest for a bit. Do a little bit more, see how I feel .........and even if I feel okish, take a break anyway.

 

It's so hard to hold back from doing a lot when we have an okish day but I've learned that going full tilt to try to get caught up, always back fires on me and I land up being out of commission for longer. So, pacing oneself is important.

 

Have you tried utilizing ginger capsules, ginger tea before going out?

 

 

I'm sorry for what you are both going through. Some day we will be free of this suffering.

 

 

Punar

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squirrel

how does ginger help ? And yes I do try and pick quiet time.

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angie007

Hi squirrel,

 

Same here, i have exactly the same problem and have done all through my taper,

its an awful feeling that comes over me when i have to go somewhere, sometimes that

can happen when i have someone to go with too.

I push myself so so hard, but some days its just too hard, i so sympathise, but it does

seem very common amongst those of us in wd.

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stan

hi Squirrel

 

every day when i go to a near grocery or try to walk my five streets, it is a feat,

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buxy2222

 

 

 

 

Squirrel, I schedule my outings during non-peak hours. Things are quieter in the stores. Besides, my CNS can tolerate things a bit better in the early to mid evening. As the evening progresses, I can feel sick again, especially before retiring. So, it's important to schedule things during the hours when our CNS can handle things better.

 

If we push ourselves at the wrong time of day, it can make us feel worse. Other times pushing a bit can help. Trying to gauge between these two variables can be challenging and even confusing at times.

 

Punar

 

Why is that? im right with you, evenings i could do more than early morning or afternoon, iv just started an IT course at the local college and i decided to attend the induction at 11am, big mistake, i felt dire, but now i can attend the class in the evenings im going on my own, doing the 8 miles drive, working with people i don`t know, but its ok, yeah i feel spaced out ect but i am dealing with it, i just wouldnt dare go again in the mornings, that alone has to tell you thats its not natural anxiety ect, its chemical if the time of day decides what we can deal with

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Punarbhava

 

Why is that? im right with you, evenings i could do more than early morning or afternoon, iv just started an IT course at the local college and i decided to attend the induction at 11am, big mistake, i felt dire, but now i can attend the class in the evenings im going on my own, doing the 8 miles drive, working with people i don`t know, but its ok, yeah i feel spaced out ect but i am dealing with it, i just wouldnt dare go again in the mornings, that alone has to tell you thats its not natural anxiety ect, its chemical if the time of day decides what we can deal with

 

Buxy.......

 

to give a short answer to your question: cortisol (steriod stress hormone secreted by the adrenal glands) levels are highest in the early part of the day. It is the hormone that gets us to wake up and get moving for the day. As the day progresses cortisol levels start to decline.

 

During WD we are far more sensitive to these fluctuations and thus, we can have our worse symptoms and be far more sensitive in the early parts of the day.

 

I find that my system slowly starts to improve from 1:00 pm on and by about 4:00 or 5:00 pm I can handle things that I can't take on in the mornings.

 

Consequently, I've learned to work with my system rather than against it. (lol)

 

Good for you re: attending classes. I can understand how the evening classes would be far easier to attend than ones during the early parts of the day.

 

 

Good luck with your studies!

 

Punar

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buxy2222

aww thanks Punar, have my first assessment on Monday :P.

 

Yes i understand the cortisol connection, the first 2 years on withdrawal, 5am on the dot wide awake dreadful anxiety rushing to the loo and pacing for a while, then i would always have an afternoon slump of feeling exhausted ect bluddy ect. I have tried explaining this to many a doctor, basically that if the time of day dictates how i feel, mornings being the pits but later on i can tackle quite a lot then there is proof that this is no way psychological but indeed chemical reactions causing the symptoms, not that they ever accepted my theory of course, but found it my only way to box back when they tried to tell me this was anxiety end of and would i like more drugs.....pfffff......pleased you agree :)

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Healing

Bravo, Buxy, for taking an IT class! I hope you really enjoy it, and that it helps you in all sorts of ways! :)

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Altostrata

Just a thought and maybe an experiment -- could the brighter light during the early part of the day be adding to anxiety when you go out? Have you all tried sunglasses, perhaps brownish tint?

 

(I'm following this theory that even very mild light sensitivity adds to anxiety.)

 

Also, maybe gradual increase in walking, perhaps in calm areas or parks, to build up physical strength and stamina?

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Claudius

Why is that? im right with you, evenings i could do more than early morning or afternoon, iv just started an IT course at the local college and i decided to attend the induction at 11am, big mistake, i felt dire, but now i can attend the class in the evenings im going on my own, doing the 8 miles drive, working with people i don`t know, but its ok, yeah i feel spaced out ect but i am dealing with it, i just wouldnt dare go again in the mornings, that alone has to tell you thats its not natural anxiety ect, its chemical if the time of day decides what we can deal with

 

Good work Buxy!

I am an ICT specialist by myself who had to quit work due to WD begin 2008, apart from the repeated weeks off due to earlier WD attempts... when I hit my first window after 20 months, I immediately started to enlarge my ICT knowledge by following self-studies Linux adminsitation and Web development.

So I am very interested in the kind of course you are doing!

Btw going out was never an issue for me, while I got crazy from the slightest noises during work/study, I could endure the noise in a pub of shop... it remains the strangest and most illogical disease ever :(

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Punarbhava

Just a thought and maybe an experiment -- could the brighter light during the early part of the day be adding to anxiety when you go out? Have you all tried sunglasses, perhaps brownish tint?

 

(I'm following this theory that even very mild light sensitivity adds to anxiety.)

 

Also, maybe gradual increase in walking, perhaps in calm areas or parks, to build up physical strength and stamina?

 

 

Sur,

 

 

hope you don't mind me adding a thought to your post.

 

 

I have have to wear sunglasses even on cloudy days that's how extreme my light senstivities are (although it is improving slowly). I can only speak for myself, but much sunlight can still filter through a layer of clouds.

 

 

My sensitivty will vary, depending upon the type of clouds and the degree of over-cast. Dense clouds block out more sunlight but those mild and moderate overcast days will require me to wear sunglasses since, I will experience a "glare-like effect" which is too much for my CNS to endure.

 

 

 

As you mention the "brown tint" glasses work best for me. In fact, the darker the brown the better.

 

Pun

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Punarbhava

how does ginger help ? And yes I do try and pick quiet time.

 

 

Sorry, I just saw this post. I mentioned ginger in one of your other threads.

 

 

Ginger is used for motion sickness, nausea, dizziness etc. It also can reduce anxiety levels a notch or two. Again, I would not use this, nor most substances, religiously. Instead, use within reason.

 

 

You can do a search on the subject as well. Make sure you explore many sites so you can obtain a greater degree of knowledge on the subject.

 

 

Punar

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Patience

iv just started an IT course at the local college and i decided to attend the induction at 11am, big mistake, i felt dire, but now i can attend the class in the evenings

 

When I've attended classes at the community college, I've noticed that during the day there are more people (kids) on campus and more going on (and more hustle-bustle and noise). In the evenings, it's mostly the working professionals taking classes, and they're more serious about the classes and more mellow, probably because they're tired from working all day.

 

BTW, I've been an IT professional for about 16 years. It's a good field to work in.

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squirrel

Coming back to the original post. I also think the noise of traffic and more people about adds to sensory overload.

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