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a99

If someone gets an adverse reaction from a food or a supplement during withdrawal, does that slow or stop the recovery process ? 

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Jaywill

I have struggled with this for the past 2 years. I will be 36 months off in August and in the last month my food sensitivities are getting better. I still find if I eat certain things all my muscles in my neck go extremely tight like a band going around my neck and shoulders. I have lost so much weight and was down to 124 in October when i was at my worst in the hospital. I weighed myself today and am 130. I am so excited because no matter what i did i couldn't gain weight. Your issue is a very real thing and my life has been so traumatized by my food issues

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Petunia

If someone gets an adverse reaction from a food or a supplement during withdrawal, does that slow or stop the recovery process ? 

 

If you have a single adverse reaction to a food or supplement, its unlikely that will stop your recovery process, it may take a few hours or days for the adverse reaction to subside, or longer if it was a bad reaction, it really depends on the person and substance.

 

But if you develop a genuine sensitivity to something and then continue to eat that food, causing increased symptoms and stress, that would probably have an impact on recovery.

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a99

how to tell if i'm sensitive to something  ? what are the main symptoms ? because  sometimes I eat various kinds of food and feel  mild headache or a stomach pain later but I have those  as withdrawal symptoms too !

sorry for hijacking !

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Hangingon

I find I am starting to get a bit more of an appetite so it's becoming a problem... all this dang fear!

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Petunia

how to tell if i'm sensitive to something  ? what are the main symptoms ? because  sometimes I eat various kinds of food and feel  mild headache or a stomach pain later but I have those  as withdrawal symptoms too !

 

A sensitivity could cause any kind of symptom really. The best way, I think is to keep very good notes of what you eat and your symptoms and you may notice a pattern. If you start to suspect that a particular food is causing problems, then don't eat it for several days, but keep notes of your symptoms. Then eat that food for a day and see if there is a change in your symptom pattern. Then repeat the experiment the next week and then perhaps the following week. If you get a symptom soon after eating that food every time, but not when you don't eat it, then you probably have a sensitivity to it.

 

I don't recommend doing these kinds of experiments unless you strongly suspect you are reacting to specific foods. If you are experiencing symptoms regardless of what you eat, its most likely being caused by withdrawal and not specific foods.

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UselessSpork

Hello, i think during my taper i have become sensitive to some foods, it seems i have narrowed it down to mostly food with a high fat/saturated fat content. Now these reactions dont happen everytime, it seems to be a total crap shoot as to when it may happen.. but when it does it usually happens after eating stuff with high fat content like meat or food with oils in it. And the reaction can happen somewhat right after ingesting the food but more often than not it's 2 hours later when it reaches my gut, and the symptoms usually hit very fast. a whole host of things can happen such as getting really tired or getting dizzy, but usually getting depressed and anxious. I also used to think i had a histamine intolerance.. and maybe i still do to some degree, but it seems that Fatty foods are a much bigger issue for me. It's been hard to decipher between regular depression, anxiety and dizzyness that comes with just being depressed and going through withdrawals/tapering. But on the occasion that a food triggers symptoms it usually happens 2 hours after ingesting and it comes on very quickly, so quickly infact i get caught completely off guard. as opposed to the normal non food triggered lows that creep in more gradually.

 

anyways i know that was a long load of text there, but has anyone had any experience with fats making you feel dizzy/tired/depressed/anxious during tapers/withdrawals? or while just being on anti depressants. and could these foods just be triggering some sort of destabilizing effect in my brain that causes these sh*tty symptoms?

 

By the way i have searched the forums and i have found topics about food sensitivies.. but nothing really concerning fats.

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UselessSpork

Aww noone?

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freespirit

I haven't noticed a reaction to fats in particular, but I tend to use olive or coconut oils primarily. Sometimes, animal protein can be problematic in terms of histamine. It's all very complex and I can't pretend to understand it. Here's an article that describes research into the role fats play with histamine:

 

"From a practical standpoint, given that some people will clearly have a heightened inflammatory response to the absorption of long chain fats and, concurrently, not be able to deactivate the histamine produced as part of this process, it may be prudent to not overload their systems with large amounts of animal fats, in the first instance at least.  They may need some remedial therapy – probiotics, increase in omega-3 intake, digestive enzymes, etc – in order to gain a large capacity to handle these fats (if they ever can).  It is these individuals that may be better suited to a diet that contains leaner sources of meat, more oily fish, a higher intake of starchy root vegetables (with their prebiotic effect), and have the largest part of their fat derived from the non-inflammatory medium chain sources, such as coconut."

 

http://thatpaleoguy.com/2011/08/20/nutrient-induced-inflammation-in-the-intestine/

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UselessSpork

Ahh thanks again spirit ;)

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Wildflower0214

if you eliminate hard core and get things quieted down the body can tolerate more foods and reactions get less intense and you learn to tolerate them if they're not extreme...it's not a pleasant process but I am eating a large variety of foods...just different foods then perhaps I used to eat...

I know this post is from a few years ago. But, a word of caution... Eliminating food groups while in the midst of nervous system chaos does not always help the problem. In some cases, it can in fact make it worse. I only speak for myself, we are all so unique biologically etc. that to paint with a broad brush would not be wise.

 

 

I started reacting to foods soon after CT my AD. I did a period of elimination after doing food Intolernace testing. That was Oct 2014. The elimination process triggered WD big time. The day after my elimination diet started I didn't sleep for 3 days straight, amoung other hellish symptoms.

 

As of today, I am still stuck in only 12 foods and have had very little success adding anything new without starting a wave.

 

If I could go back in time, I would have never done the elimination process. It was a jolt to a sensitized nervous system that I have yet to recover from.

 

Again, this is my individual experience. There are some who may be helped by elimination diets. I am surely not one of them. And, I would venture to guess I am not alone.

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Mort81

12 foods seems similar to what I can do. Wheat, dairy and nuts are still killers for me right now. Best whole foods have been chicken,Fish,Beef cooked veggies and apples.They agree with me everytime. Breakfast I find very hard. Eggs seem okay not great but decent. Looking forward to reacting better to food. Its almost like my stomach isnt welcoming food at times like it closes up.

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shamaan

Has anybody else had a sudden huge increase in their food sensitivities? I have had a couple of sensitivies to some foods for a while , but recently a have a huge increase.. :s , it is almost to everything..

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lundeliz

A few days ago I woke up with what looks like fever blisters on my lips.

The skin all around my mouth is very itchy, red, and stinging. Each morning

since then has looked worse and worse. This morning my lips are swollen

and more blisters, Does this sound like a food sensitivity? I'm trying to think

of anything new I've eaten or it may be just something I've become sensitive to.

The skin on my back feels prickly too, so I don't know. The stinging around my

mouth woke me several times last night. I was just wondering if these symptoms

seem to indicate it might be something I'm ingesting. Thanks for any help.

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Wildflower0214

So, just an update here. I have been eating pretty much the same 12-15 foods for 14 months. I have added a few and lost a few due to sensitivity.

 

I don't know what else to do but to keep trying to add foods very slowly and in small portions. I feel like the sensitivity has almost gotten worse, but that may be just my own perception of the situation.

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charlesk

I'm 31 now and I took lexapro on an off from age 19 - 27. I started getting severe asthma and swelling of throat after eating certain foods, so I eventually went to allergist a few years ago. They told me I had developed birch allergy that crossreacts with certain fruits and vegitables. I don't have traditional allergies like watery eyes or anything, I just get swelling of the throat.  I Developed a hazelnut allergy and peanut allergy. They also said I'm allergic to mold and cottonwood trees too. Also developed very bad allergy to sulphites. I drank a bottle of mike's hard lemonade and almost died to find that out. Also told me I developed an allergy to cat dander. I also get wheezing and throat swelling/intestinal distress when I eat brown rice or oats-which is weird because those are the two foods I ate most in my 20's.  I take benadryl when I have a very bad reaction and I have an inhaler.  This has basically ruined my life. I can't go over to anyone's house who has cats, I don't feel able to start a family, travel, or eat at new restaurants.  This seems completely bizarre because I never had any problems until I was in my late 20's.  

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HopeforBetter1110

I'm curious if people feel like they're always triggered by certain foods or if those same foods seem to only trigger them sometimes.

 

Also, do people feel like they're usually triggered immediately or that they're sometimes triggered over time?

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Cressida

I d say all of the above unfortunately .

I react the night/early morning after eating something not at the time of eating . I ll get burning skin, sweaty chest , palpitations, sometimes anxiety.. My reactions are becoming milder.

My sensitivities were triggered by having a couple of glasses of wine a night for a few months and this triggered histamine sensitivity. I had tolerated the odd glass of wine before it was the regularity that caused the problem. It seemed that my body would become rapidly habituated to things in WD so then stopping them and re starting them would cause havoc

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Faithgrl

I seem to be reacting alot more since I started withdrawals...I saw an allergist and he said I was allergic to horse, dog and dust and prescribed shots each week to get my immune system used to it.

 

(My allergic symtoms are eczema and I already had IGG testing to determine a number of food not to eat - gluten, dairy, citrus, yeast, pork, cabbage ....and I have always avoided prawns/shellfish and pineapples cause they make my mouth itchy...and I went paleo/AIP for the ecezema so thats no nightshades/grains/legume in addition to the above)

 

Pre tapering the AD my arm would get swollen after the shot, no big deal.

 

In my first shot post tapering, my eczema flared SO hard I felt like I was getting burned alive, from the inside. Popped and anti-histamine and continued working.

 

2nd shot post tapering...not as bad but my arm ended up swelling up and looked liked it was burned for 3 days.

 

Takeaway: I am alot more sensitive during tapering and need to keep my food pretty clean. Which is fine :huh:  Its not like I have a choice in the matter...

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HopeforBetter1110

I d say all of the above unfortunately .

I react the night/early morning after eating something not at the time of eating . I ll get burning skin, sweaty chest , palpitations, sometimes anxiety.. My reactions are becoming milder.

My sensitivities were triggered by having a couple of glasses of wine a night for a few months and this triggered histamine sensitivity. I had tolerated the odd glass of wine before it was the regularity that caused the problem. It seemed that my body would become rapidly habituated to things in WD so then stopping them and re starting them would cause havoc

 

Do you ever find it hard to decipher if something is triggering you or not because of it being sporadic or over different time periods sometimes? I used to react right after eating, now it's only sometimes..and also maybe later/day after? I'm not really sure. I'm glad your reactions are getting milder though, mine are too, which is great for us! It's interesting to hear how your body reacts to regularity versus random intake of things. Do you have any thoughts on why that is?

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Cressida

Am guessing that the withdrawal of ADs leavesots of spare receptors hungry for something to latch on to. If we feed them suitable brain active substances, like sugar caffeine histamine, and them stop them you get a sort of withdrawal process. If you start them again you get some sort of kindling/re Instatement process. That is only how I look at it

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Cressida

Also recommend reading Dr Janice Jonega article on histamine intolerance. Answer to why my symptoms occur at night rather than time of eating a trigger substance. Your histamine levels have to exceed your personal tolerance. So at the time of eating you might be ok, when more histamine is released during the process of digestion , your parasympathetic "rest and digest" system is operating at night, you may then be woken by eg palpitations, anxiety as histamine levels rise. Strategies might be not eating a large meal late on if you can avoid it. Dividing your food intake into smaller meals throughout the day, avoiding high histamine foods as much as possible

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HopeforBetter1110

Cressida,

 

I checked out a bit of Dr. Janice Joneja. I've read stuff on histamine intolerance before and have questioned whether or not i'm dealing with it since withdrawal. I feel like I am. Anxiety seems to be my top trigger with foods, but I get the stuffy/runny nose, sore throat, hot flashes, temperature problems. Do your symptoms always occur at night or have you ever experienced being triggered soon after you ate? From what I read it does seem like triggers can be sporadic, so that's also something the rings a bell.

 

It's so hard to figure out what different things are causing what throughout all of this!

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Cressida

When the sensitivities started it was all day and night always worse at night and early morning. Earlier I would react quite quickly to foods but I don't eat the major trigger foods anymore either.i ve probably been doing what am doing now for about 6 months and no doubt have improved. Same symptoms but less so. It is very tricky. Combining foods can tip you over your histamine threshold whereas you might be able to tolerate them singly. I have no doubt I would still be in acute if I hadn't controlled my diet

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historygal

Hi Guys,

 

I am really struggling with food at a time when my appetite has also increased. I am trying to figure out if it's histamine but it's hard as I am so sensitive to everything;

 

I have looked up lots of lists on low histamine diet and even the things that are low histamine I am reacting to. I am literally reacting to everything wheat, dairy, vegetables, apples, strawberries, raspberries,lettuce, onion, cucumber, tomatoes, peas, cabbage, eggs,mushrooms, avocado, green beans, chicken, beef, ham, bacon,herbal teas, herbs, rice, pasta I am starting to get very depressed as I had food sensitivities but in the last 7 months they have gotten worse. If it helps I'm also sensitive to perfumes, and hot water. I can't take a hot bath. The reactions from food happen straight away within few minutes of eating something. I don't know how to cope really,I have tried eating things in small bits and also fasting but I am so hungry I end up eating stuff that I know will cause slight reactions. Most of the time the reactions I can deal with they go away within a few hours but how do people survive off nothing ?

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historygal

Also I should say I am 25 months into withdrawal and I literally the food thing is bringing me down. I don't take supplements but I can't eradicate veg and fruit as I'd rather get my vitamins from natural stuff, however if it's at the detriment to my recovery. I have no deals what to do?

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Cressida

I keep to a low histamine diet. Low sugar which includes fruit and sweet brightly coloured veg. Only eat fish once a week. Caffeine free.

Am fine with bread, fresh meat, loads of veg. Have lost 28ibs and by sticking absolutely to the diet have made real progress. You are at the difficult phase of trying to sort out what's what while being highly reactive. Been there. It does get better . Slowly

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historygal

So can I ask if you are so highly reactive does this get better with more time. I mean I am literally trying everything here and it doesn't matter what it is im reacting to it all.

 

What did you do when you were highly reactive because I am reacting to everything doesn't matter if it's low histamine, my body doesn't like anything at the moment. Thanks for your help

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historygal

Sorry my last post didn't make sense. I suppose what I am trying to say is what can I do if I am reacting to everything. I have to eat to live. So what do people do in these situations when they are extremely sensitive to all foods

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Cressida

Unfortunately the benefits are far from instant. I identified the main culprits. Sugar and histamine in my case. I cut sugar completely and persevered with the low histamine diet and began to gradually improve. Very gradually. Cut out caffeine that helped a lot. Its taken 16 months to get from where you are to where I am. Being very disciplined. I can't say you are the same as me we re all different. And its hell I know

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Cressida

I did then what I knew how to do . Now that I know better I do better. Maya Angelou

 

Remember . WD emotional stress puts our immune systems on high alert which makes our sensitivities and intolerances very much worse. Again I appreciate how very hard it is. Try and work on soothing yourself in whatever way works for you. I used to wish I didn't have to eat at all and see food as the enemy. Work on trying to change that mindset. I know its hard

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historygal

Thanks Cressida. I hope soon it will be better :)

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Weasel

Can any one suggest foods that reacted well during withdrawal? I have only a few that don't bother me oatmeal whole grain bread sweet potato lamb veggies melon pear I just want to get some possible suggestions I am scared to try things thanks

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Petunia

In general, people seem to recover best on a simple diet of basic, organic fresh meats, vegetables and some fruit. Eliminating sugar, preservatives and processed foods seems to help, along with alcohol and caffeine. But I've seen individual reactions to just about everything, so its really a matter of trying a small amount of a new food and finding how you react.
 
It sounds like you're on the right track, maybe try some rice one day, different kinds of meats, probably stick to the lower sugar and lower acid fruits. Some of my favorite withdrawal foods have been eggs, ricotta cheese, pumpkin seeds, brazil nuts, almonds and almond butter, green smoothies with pea protein rather than soy or whey. I've been able to tolerate a small amount of raw, organic honey which I use in decaff tea and herb teas. But I think I've been quite lucky and haven't had to be as restrictive as some people.
 
Here is a link to our related topic: Food sensitivities - Symptoms and self-care - Surviving Antidepressants *topics merged

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Martina23

This is a very good thread. For me what makes me problems is:

- alcohol,

- coffee, tea

- spicy food (because I love japanese restaurant)

- glutamate in the additives for the soup

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Weasel

Thank you both ladies!

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