Flowers Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Hi Joy Glad that things seem to be stabilising a little. Hope you manage to enjoy your days off. 15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM. MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT. JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month. 28.5 mgs FEB Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs . JUNE 24 mgs . JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to 22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed. 13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize 1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at 50 mgs at night. Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. XANAX Jan 27 - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover. Feb 14 2019 Updosed Xanax by .0625 Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily. Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM 20mg taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm. XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night. LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight. SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm. 7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm. 2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19 .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg x 2. 23.1.20 .23 mg x 2. 20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20 .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2. 18.6.20 .11mg x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2. 2.12.20 .06 mg x 2. 8.1.21 .05 mg x 2. 4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2. 7.4.21 .02 mg x 2. 9.5.21 .01 mg x 2. 21.6.21 .01 mg x 1. 11.8.21 ZERO! Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 9, 2016 Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 'thanks flowers, your support is so appreciated. Really enjoying my 3 days off. I have been doing extra reading. Apparently serotonin gets stored in our bones and stomachs which is why we get stomach upsets and aching bones on withdrawal. 50% of prescriptions written in UK are for people who can't get off them rather than people who need them. Continuing to take them puts older ladies, like me, at 57, at a greater risk of broken bones, hips etc in old age Some people are taking mood stabilisers to ease off SSRIs but I have got myself off those so it would be bad news to take those again. Some doctors are suggesting taking low dose dosulepin instead of SSRIs for the rest of your life as dosulepin is weaker on serotonin, but I found dosulepin much more cognitively dulling than citalopram, so that is a no go for me, and dosulepin is now associated with heart troubles anyway, so my GP took me off that and onto citalopram. I was very nearly sick this morning and was just a bit sweaty but not much. I have just had lunch out with my husband and have told him if I can't sort myself out I am going to see my GP about going on benefits instead of this struggle to try and get myself off citalopram. I love my job but what is worth more, my job or my health? It now seems to be recognised that people on SSRI's have a lower quality of life than those not taking them. All the above is just from my reading last night - I don't necessarily agree or disagree, but sometimes thoughts just have to be shared. Seem to be levelling out on 19 mg. If I don't type the truth as I am experiencing it there is nothing to be learnt from my efforts. I am surviving but I wish I could live my life over again. The one good thing is my pregnant daughter took sertraline for 2 years when much younger and got off them herself quite easily and her only symptom was nausea, slight, so she is now having a SSRi free pregnancy and will be able to breast feed if she wishes. I was never able to breast feed as I was always taking something and as a farmers wife it is one of my life long regrets. Sorry to ramble on so, but I am on my lap top and enjoying a bit of free time. Having troubles like this and trying to work just SUCKS. Regards to everyone and hoping anyone is helped by my blogs. Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus scallywag Posted August 9, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 9, 2016 joy -- I hope you can find compassion for yourself. You did what you thought was best based on the situation at the time. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to 0.0 mg Aug. 12; details here scallywag's IntroductionOnline spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet Link to comment
Flowers Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Hi Joy Interesting stuff in your post re the effects on the bones and stomach from SSRI's. I am an oldie aged 63 and was looking forward to ageing gracefully and not having all this WD business to deal with. I have so many friends in UK who are taking them. Do they dish them out like sweets?! I work too but we have our own business so if I am really not up to it somedays it is not the end of the world. I know how hard juggling work and dealing with all this can be. We are all different but I feel I would be worse without my job as it gives me a purpose to the day and gets me out of the house so I am not moping around. Is there anyway you could find a job working for just a few hours a week? So, you have some decisions re your future to make and you have worked so hard to get your qualifications to do your job. If I am in any similar situation I usually write a list of the pro's and con's and this makes it so much easier to weigh up. Maybe this will help you too. Like you say the main thing is to get your health back on track and hopefully your updose will kick in properly soon. If you decide to go on benefits you can always return to work oneday when you are better. Having your new grandchild will be a wonderful boost for you and if you live nearby I am sure your daughter will appreciate any help you can give her. xxx 15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM. MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT. JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month. 28.5 mgs FEB Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs . JUNE 24 mgs . JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to 22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed. 13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize 1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at 50 mgs at night. Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. XANAX Jan 27 - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover. Feb 14 2019 Updosed Xanax by .0625 Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily. Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM 20mg taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm. XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night. LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight. SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm. 7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm. 2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19 .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg x 2. 23.1.20 .23 mg x 2. 20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20 .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2. 18.6.20 .11mg x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2. 2.12.20 .06 mg x 2. 8.1.21 .05 mg x 2. 4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2. 7.4.21 .02 mg x 2. 9.5.21 .01 mg x 2. 21.6.21 .01 mg x 1. 11.8.21 ZERO! Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share Posted August 10, 2016 Flowers you continue to be my brilliant support. Yes, they give SSRIs out like sweets in UK. A new acquaintance of mine was complaining she can't get off Prozac, she doesn't know of my problems, and said she only went on it because her husband said she had ocd as she was cleaning the house too much. I asked her more about it and she said she does clean her own house a lot but doesn't mind other people's houses being a mess and doesn't tidy anyone elses - but she was given a prescription. I also read that it is universally accepted that SSRI use leads to a demotivation of the human spirit, which I can attest to. I had a better sleep last night, and NO SWEATING THIS MORNING, so reinstatement at 19 mg should be taking hold now. I feel slightly less negative than a few days ago, but only slightly. I feel really nervous but slightly less sick this morning too. I am now on my 3rd day off from work and going back tomorrow. My old employer is in a court hearing as we speak, the police are getting back to me on Friday about some abuse when I was younger that I have decided to bring out in the open as I feel that is part of my therapeutic process. I met with my new employer's main administrator on Monday and felt OK about that, hopefully that will go well. My new employer is aware of the trouble my old employer is in. This is a small rural area and words/feelings/intelligence soon gets round. I no longer feel I have to go off sick and onto benefits yet, that was a bit of a knee jerk reaction, but it does remain a possibility. My husband and I are farmers and we are just waiting now for an official re farm grants. The citalopram just feels like I problem I wish I didn't have. I need to stabilise at 19 mg and get my thinking sorted. My present 4 days of live-in work provides enough money so I will stick with that for me and if I get to feel better I will seek another day's work. I have worked and studied hard to get where I am now and need to persist. The shock for me is how difficult it is to maintain a normal life when the withdrawal symptoms hit in as, for me, they have been very severe. I am wondering if they are more severe for me as I took citalopram with lithium for years and lithium increases the effects of SSRIs, but to get an answer to that I would have to have an appointment with my old psychiatrist and I haven't seen him for 10 years as I have been well, but I think there may be some truth in this thought. Does anyone on this SA site have any thoughts on this matter? Thank you Flowers for being my internet friend. Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share Posted August 10, 2016 I have just been reading widely again. Apparently no one understands the mechanism of action of withdrawal from antidepressants as yet. I have looked at my citalopram box and it has been made by generic manufacturer Teva, from Canada and US and was manufactured in Hungary. I have emailed them of my struggle, I don't expect a reply, but it is interesting that I have done this. It is under the category of 'adverse effects'. If I do get a reply I will let everyone on here know. There is no harm in sharing information, in fact the only way in which future users of these drugs will have a better understanding is if information is unearthed and shared now. There must be a duty of care to society as a whole to highlight possible difficulties. After all if too many people in an economy are struggling with demotivation and withdrawal symptoms society is not going to be functioning at its best and lots more people will end up on disability payments which have to be funded by everyone else. This could become a matter of Public Health Policy and Concerns. Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
Flowers Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I have just been reading widely again. Apparently no one understands the mechanism of action of withdrawal from antidepressants as yet. I have looked at my citalopram box and it has been made by generic manufacturer Teva, from Canada and US and was manufactured in Hungary. I have emailed them of my struggle, I don't expect a reply, but it is interesting that I have done this. It is under the category of 'adverse effects'. If I do get a reply I will let everyone on here know. There is no harm in sharing information, in fact the only way in which future users of these drugs will have a better understanding is if information is unearthed and shared now. There must be a duty of care to society as a whole to highlight possible difficulties. After all if too many people in an economy are struggling with demotivation and withdrawal symptoms society is not going to be functioning at its best and lots more people will end up on disability payments which have to be funded by everyone else. This could become a matter of Public Health Policy and Concerns. What you say makes sense Joy but it seems everything comes down to money and the Pharma companies are very powerful. Did you ever record your side effects on Dr Healy's research programme? Have a look at www.rxisk.org. 15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM. MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT. JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month. 28.5 mgs FEB Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs . JUNE 24 mgs . JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to 22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed. 13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize 1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at 50 mgs at night. Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. XANAX Jan 27 - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover. Feb 14 2019 Updosed Xanax by .0625 Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily. Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM 20mg taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm. XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night. LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight. SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm. 7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm. 2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19 .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg x 2. 23.1.20 .23 mg x 2. 20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20 .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2. 18.6.20 .11mg x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2. 2.12.20 .06 mg x 2. 8.1.21 .05 mg x 2. 4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2. 7.4.21 .02 mg x 2. 9.5.21 .01 mg x 2. 21.6.21 .01 mg x 1. 11.8.21 ZERO! Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 11, 2016 Author Share Posted August 11, 2016 Vomited again this morning so took a travel sickness pill. No swearing this morning and slept well and I look a lot better. Does this mean I have to stay at 19 mg Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 Drowsy fat and hungry. Going down to 15 mg in morning Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
Flowers Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Hi Joy Do you not think this is quite a big cut down and maybe too soon after updosing? I am not sure of your reasons behind wanting to cut again so quickly but I do have your best interests at heart. Do take care my friend. xxx 15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM. MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT. JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month. 28.5 mgs FEB Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs . JUNE 24 mgs . JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to 22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed. 13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize 1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at 50 mgs at night. Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. XANAX Jan 27 - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover. Feb 14 2019 Updosed Xanax by .0625 Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily. Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM 20mg taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm. XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night. LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight. SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm. 7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm. 2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19 .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg x 2. 23.1.20 .23 mg x 2. 20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20 .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2. 18.6.20 .11mg x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2. 2.12.20 .06 mg x 2. 8.1.21 .05 mg x 2. 4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2. 7.4.21 .02 mg x 2. 9.5.21 .01 mg x 2. 21.6.21 .01 mg x 1. 11.8.21 ZERO! Link to comment
nz11 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Joy i agree with Flowers that is too big a cut. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 12, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 12, 2016 Joy I'm really concerned about your constant jumping around with doses. It seems that every time you feel increase in symptoms (which is understandable), you react by changing a dose expecting that a higher or lower dose will fix you. Any you continue to do so despite your many experiences to the contrary. In almsot evry post (including your signature) you say that you intend to hold this for a long time. But unfortunately it seems that resolves lasts only till symptoms get more intense. In teh same way, it seems you start reducing when you start feeling better. Just look at all the jumping you did over the past week: 9 Sept. 10 mg 12 Sept. 20 mg unspecified date 15 mg 16 Sept. 20 mg. Are you aware that you will be symptomatic for some (possibly longer time) regardless of the dose you take? Hi Joy, I am very concerned that you haven't learned from past experience. I have been reading the first page of your Topic and then came across the quoted post by Bubble. Please reread the above post especially what I have altered to green and blue. Please also see Post #1 here: Keep it Simple, Slow and Stable You aren't doing yourself any favours by trying to get lower quicker. You yourself have proven that in the past. Patience is needed. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 13, 2016 Author Share Posted August 13, 2016 Thank you for that insight. My 15mg dose this morning has just reverted back to 19 mg. How I need this help Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 13, 2016 Author Share Posted August 13, 2016 It was the realisation of the increase in my appetite and sleepiness yesterday that made me want to drop the dose. When I am back at home on my laptop and desktop I will read more. Thanks for your observations they are so welcome Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 13, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 13, 2016 I'm not sure if you've seen these. These have helped me to stay patient and not try and hurry my taper because I understanding that the brain needs to adapt to not getting as much of the drug. And yes, there have been times when I have considered dropping quicker or stopping altogether, but thankfully because of what I have learned here, I realise that it would be very foolish. Brain Remodelling (Rhi's Description of Brain Healing) Video: Healing From Antidepressants - Patterns of Recovery What is Happening in Your Brain Learning to accept is also helpful: AcceptanceAcceptance and Mindfulness * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus bubble Posted August 13, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 13, 2016 If you read the post on brain remodelling you will see that changes in our brains don't happen from one day to the next. That's why making decisions based on a day or two of symptoms is sure to backfire. Due to how long it takes for changes to manifest, it is very important to stick to 10 % rule but also not cutting too frequently, ideally every 30 days. Holds are extremely important to avoid what has happened to you now. Also each successful taperer has to allow tapering to unfolding in the background of our lives. Keeping track of symptoms is important but focusing too much on them is counterproductive. As you hold you will see that good days will be followed by (tolerably) bad days and it's really not advisable to cut until that evens out. Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2 2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013) Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg. 2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days afterreinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours 28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr 2015 1 mg, 25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64 Xanax 9 month hold 24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26 Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 14, 2016 Author Share Posted August 14, 2016 I read loads of info provided by this site last night and decided I did feel too drugged so this morning I took 15mg as an experiment so far so good. I remember being in a similar situation years ago withdrawing from dothiepin when I could never tolerate the full dose ever again and I felt this was the same. Had a really good sleep last night and a good feeling all day. Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 Second day of 15 mg and so far fine, felt a bit sick this morning and sleep was a bit more shallow but am enjoying feeling more awake. I am now home for a few days so I will take that time to relax and look after myself a bit more and do some more reading on SSRIs. Mobile phones are fine but not great for detailed reading. I need to understand more. Went swimming and into sauna this morning. I am able to swim more now and now I have more time spend longer in the sauna. This seems to help me. Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 I had an email back today from TEVA the manufacturers of my generic citalopram as I had complained of difficulties getting off their drug. They have asked for my consent to write to my GP, but it sounds even more like trouble. I so need to accept where I am in life. I have read the information on acceptance. Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 16, 2016 Author Share Posted August 16, 2016 Still on 15 mg and apparently doing well. Taking a multivit and magnesium now. Going swim and sauna soon, feeling more positive. Have taken some time to do more background reading and people have struggled in similar ways to me many times on this site. That is very comforting to know. Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 17, 2016 Author Share Posted August 17, 2016 Another good day at 15 mg. I have experienced this being able to stabilise at a lower dose before when withdrawing from dothiepin and diazepam. Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 17, 2016 Administrator Share Posted August 17, 2016 That's good to hear, joy. Since you've had difficulty reducing before, you may wish to taper by smaller amounts. We recommend about 10% per month, based on the last dosage. At 15mg, a 10% decrease would be 13.5mg. See Why taper by 10% of my dosage? Why taper? Paper demonstrates importance of gradual change in plasma concentration This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 17, 2016 Author Share Posted August 17, 2016 I have just downloaded an app called headspace.com which is a trial of meditation. I don't think I will be subscribing but it seems good but a bit expensive has anyone useen it or anything similar? Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
Flowers Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Fingers crossed that this works Joy. I use headspace but just opted for the free option. It has helped me so much to develop coping strategies for during the taper and when I am hopefully drug free! xxx 15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM. MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT. JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month. 28.5 mgs FEB Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs . JUNE 24 mgs . JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to 22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed. 13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize 1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at 50 mgs at night. Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. XANAX Jan 27 - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover. Feb 14 2019 Updosed Xanax by .0625 Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily. Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM 20mg taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm. XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night. LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight. SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm. 7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm. 2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19 .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg x 2. 23.1.20 .23 mg x 2. 20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20 .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2. 18.6.20 .11mg x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2. 2.12.20 .06 mg x 2. 8.1.21 .05 mg x 2. 4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2. 7.4.21 .02 mg x 2. 9.5.21 .01 mg x 2. 21.6.21 .01 mg x 1. 11.8.21 ZERO! Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 18, 2016 Author Share Posted August 18, 2016 I went down to 14.5 mg today. I know this is against the advice of many but my thinking is that I was ok at 12 mg for a while and then panicked and went back to 20 mg. So I am trying to get back nearer where I was. So far so good Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus bubble Posted August 18, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 18, 2016 And then you will panic again and go back to 20 or whatever...and what we get is just creating more destabilisation. This is not about a particular dose. Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2 2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013) Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg. 2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days afterreinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours 28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr 2015 1 mg, 25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64 Xanax 9 month hold 24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26 Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 19, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) Hi Joy, After seeing a graph that JC & her hubby created for another member recently, I have created one for you. The date range is from March to August THIS YEAR. It might help you to understand Bubble's concerns. Edti: Please see updated graph here. Edited October 30, 2016 by ChessieCat Removed graph, added link to updated graph * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
nick1990 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Joy- it is frustrating to see you going against the advice of EXPERTS. This is not a game and I think you are being foolish. However its your choice. I think you need a clearer understanding of the tapering process and the science behind it. Good luck to you but I will no longer be following your thread. Started Citalopram in 2005 (aged 15) for apparent "OCD" - 60mg July 2015 attempted 2 x 10% + cuts 4 weeks apart. WD symptoms intense at times. Need to slow down. November 2016 - Resumed taper. 1.25 - 1.5% decrease weekly approx. 44.5mg November 2016. Jan 2017 42.5 mg. March 2017 40 mg. June 2017 37mg. September 2018 22mg. Nov 2018 Holding at 22mg to stabilise from moderate wave. January 2020 - Holding, mostly feeling fine, but still having some waves at times. February 2020 - Resumed taper , 1.5% reduction weekly/every two weeks. Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 Doing well on 14.5mg. I am following an idea that worked for me before with diazepam and dothiepin and that came from prof heather ashton of Newcastle university. She was one of the first to give advice on addiction to be zoster. I am be a fool but I may also be right. There is still a lot better of unknown s in withdrawal. Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus scallywag Posted August 20, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 20, 2016 joy, I hope your intuition pans out for you. Your comment about Dr. Ashton, reminded me of Alto's comment: We all owe a tremendous debt to Professor Heather Ashton, who was a pioneer in systematic tapering of benzodiazepines to minimize withdrawal symptoms and consequent iatrogenic illness.With an early interest in drug addiction, Prof. Ashton ran a benzodiazepine withdrawal clinic from 1982-1994 in Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK. She based the Ashton Manual on her experience with patients there.She also worked tirelessly for recognition of the dangers of benzodiazepines. She heavily influenced practice in the UK, for example, see Current NHS advice for doctors about benzo tapering(Many of Prof. Ashton's articles and videos are online at http://www.benzo.org.uk/profash.htm )Since her composition of the Ashton Manual, however, we have learned more about benzo dependence, tapering, and withdrawal syndrome. These recommendations by Prof. Ashton have become controversial and are probably outdated:... This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to 0.0 mg Aug. 12; details here scallywag's IntroductionOnline spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 Thank you scallywag. I am still well on 14.5 mg. I am sorry Andy you feel you do not want to follow my posts anymore but there will be a learning opportunity in this as ti whether it works or not. There is much to learn in withdrawal Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 20, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 20, 2016 Hi Joy, Could you please update your signature each time you make a change so it remains current? Thank you. It makes it much easier for us to see your history at a glance without having to read through your posts to get the information. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 Have just updated. My theory is that I went back to 20 mg fir such a short time it wouldn't all have taken hold so b I am now finding the 'sweet point 'at which I have now stabilised. Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus apace41 Posted August 20, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 20, 2016 Thank you scallywag. I am still well on 14.5 mg. I am sorry Andy you feel you do not want to follow my posts anymore but there will be a learning opportunity in this as ti whether it works or not. There is much to learn in withdrawal I think that was Nick, Joy. Not me. I'm interested in how things go. Best, Andy Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012 increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first") Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15 Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15 Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016 10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg. No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold. After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C, Link to comment
joy2730 Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 Yes it was nick sorry. I have to look quickly as I may run out of data. Jan 2023 to July 2023 250mg quetiapine Tapered off quetiapine again over 2 months - now weight problem Link to comment
Flowers Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 I hope your plan works Joy. xxxxx Flowers 15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM. MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT. JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month. 28.5 mgs FEB Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs . JUNE 24 mgs . JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to 22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed. 13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize 1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at 50 mgs at night. Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. XANAX Jan 27 - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover. Feb 14 2019 Updosed Xanax by .0625 Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily. Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM 20mg taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm. XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night. LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight. SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm. 7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm. 2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19 .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg x 2. 23.1.20 .23 mg x 2. 20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20 .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2. 18.6.20 .11mg x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2. 2.12.20 .06 mg x 2. 8.1.21 .05 mg x 2. 4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2. 7.4.21 .02 mg x 2. 9.5.21 .01 mg x 2. 21.6.21 .01 mg x 1. 11.8.21 ZERO! Link to comment
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