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I just don't feel like I can believe anymore. There are too many questions and no answers. I have fought so damn hard to keep my faith in God, I have fought with everything I have. And, I'm losing the battle. And, it breaks my heart.

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Wildflower0214   
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Either I'm not doing it right, or Christianity doesn't work for me. I'm not even sure what it would look like if it did work.

 

What I do know is I am tired, weary, of trying to figure it out.

 

This may be a bunch of crap that I am spewing and regret tomorrow. I hope it is. My fear is, it isn't. And, I am going to have to navigate this new path to.... I have no idea.

 

I haven't heard of many Zen Buddhists struggling with religious OCD. I find this interesting. I don't struggle with this normally, but I do now in WD. So, basically my version of God is making me sick.

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religious OCD.?  Is this where scripture goes thru you head all the time?  It could be worse things going thru you head ... oddly enough no matter what repeats in your head in OCD part of wd it is painful event the best songs in the world hurt when it is 24/7 wks on end.... it is the OCD and anything can be taken ... religion music anything...I am not sure about Buddists ? not into looking it up low ebb of energy now. 

 

What is that?  I lost my faith in wd too.. and while on Effexor you can't be naked in a bar and call yourself a christian... tho I was once pushed real hard on the topic at work and said I believe in God so kill me if that is a crime.  When it came right down to it even being a stripper and out of my head I could not deny it.  However in wd I lost it ...... I lost faith I was tortured by many things but this was one of them.  It was a battle to keep believing that God was watching all I was going thru ................... I would lose faith in utter despair find it again... fight back and forth.  Pray stop praying... quite a merry go round.  

 

For me it was just one more thing I had that could get messed with and it was messed with like my brain my body my family ect... add it to the list. 

Withdrawal so sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wildflower0214

No religious OCD is feeling like crap all the time because of the s word we all love so much...SIN.

 

I'm sure feeling like this is helping my recovery. Whatever version of God I have is not helping me. Not surprising, given I was brought up under Catholic guilt tripping. Very healthy.

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(((WF))) 

You are a beacon for me and I know that God is with you and in you.  Your prayers and your encouragements are Spirit filled and you have brought me out of terror and despair by your prayers for me and by telling me that God is enough even for this. 

 

I have been where you are many, many times.  I have questioned prayer in particular.   I am so sorry that you're in so much pain and angst over just who God is after all.  

 

When I come to the end of my own resources in keeping up my belief, I have to first go back to the beginning of my faith in Christ, how it changed my whole reality, how I KNEW that there is a God and there IS a salvation and I am established in that reality.  I did not create that reality--it  is not something I would have ever conceived of.  Then I have to go back to the Bible and ask openly and honestly, just what DOES God say to us about who He is and what we can absolutely depend on.  And what He does say is that He will be WITH us always.  He will give us His strength to endure.  He will bring us through to the end   He will give His peace and His joy --- and His ways are not ours.   I have to stop flailing about and stop asking that my plans and my ideas of what life here should be and just hold onto His Spirit within me.  I have no other choice.----- I can't possibly get through one day of this without Him. I truly can't.   

 

Somewhere it seems that we have believed  we have to convince God that we are lovable, we are worthy to be loved.  And we never seem to find that to be true.  And even tho the Scripture tell us that, while we yet SINNERS Christ dies for us, I don't think we really comprehend that because there is nothing in us that would do that.  I have to let go of what I perceive love to be and go back to how much people in the Bible, people that I know (including you), and people that I have read about are allowed to go through deep suffering.  And these people are so obviously loved and honored by God.  So suffering is not exclusive of a deep relationship with God.  

 

But then I ask, why bother to pray for relief from suffering?  Why beg for it and plead for it and find what seems to be nothing but a closed door?   The only answer I find is that He told me to.  He told me to keep on knocking and seeking and asking.  I had a dear friend whose son died in Viet Nam and she said that she would beg God not to make it so, to change what had happened.  And she said that He showed her she was knocking on the wrong door.  And when she asked Him what door to knock on, He showed her-- one of comfort and love and peace that her son would see her again and that she had not lost him.  I don't know how to translate that to us, but I know that there is a way God has for us to get through this.  And that I have to let HIM take the responsibility for it.  

 

Love you and am walking with you in this unthinkable life we have right now. 

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chicken   
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Know WF, that if you have confessed and forsaken your sins, He has forgiven you. He has promised this in HIS word. You can believe it. I've had religious OCD and I know what it is like. I was so afraid some years back that I had committed the unpardonable sin but the Lord got me through that and it no longer troubles me. It didn't happen over night but when it did happen it was gone and I thank the Lord for that.

 

I 've also had other things that I got "hung" up on from the Bible but the Lord brought me through all of those. I know he will do the same for you. Keep trusting HIM.

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Selma said the reality was changed and sometimes in wd what reality we hold slips away and with it some of the things that hold us together.  I loved her words Thank You Selma! 

We are saved by GRACE not of ourselves it is a GIFT.... God is faithful.  I know you believe in him rest in that there is something bigger than all of us going on here be still and know that he is God. 

I wish you peace

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Wildflower0214   
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Thank you all for the discussion. I'm too sick to respond fully. I'm sorry. I will when I am improved. Until then, I am hanging on to God. It's not Him that has hurt me, it's the version of Him I have believed was accurate, and now I am seeing it is skewed.

 

I pray He help me know the truth, and that in knowing it, I will be set free.

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I think I've finally left Christianity. It didn't help me, all it did was give me more anxiety and worry. There are all kinds of theologies in Christendom though, some nicer than others, many are destructive though. I must have lost years off my lifespan worrying about getting into heaven.

 

I dunno how anyone can talk about love, when majority of the world is headed for eternal suffering in hell. The theologies are just appalling to me thinking about it now.

 

I realize now why I believed some sort of Christian worldview my whole life. I believed in God, and assumed it must be the God of the Bible. I'm still theist though, just believe in a better God, and happy afterlife for all.

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I think I've finally left Christianity. It didn't help me, all it did was give me more anxiety and worry. There are all kinds of theologies in Christendom though, some nicer than others, many are destructive though. I must have lost years off my lifespan worrying about getting into heaven.

 

I dunno how anyone can talk about love, when majority of the world is headed for eternal suffering in hell. The theologies are just appalling to me thinking about it now.

 

I realize now why I believed some sort of Christian worldview my whole life. I believed in God, and assumed it must be the God of the Bible. I'm still theist though, just believe in a better God, and happy afterlife for all.

 

I think you have the wrong view of Christianity as a religion in whole. "TRUE" Christians believe in forgiveness. Our God is a forgiving God. God understand everything about you, and has forgiven you. The problem is you need to forgive yourself for your past mistakes which is so hard.

 

I understand your struggle. It is only until now, that I realize what it means to believe in Jesus Christ. You need to have faith. By having faith, you do not have anxiety about getting into heaven. You put your fears, concerns and anxiety in God's hand and God will handle them by having faith in him. I know it is hard for many to do or believe, but this is way we must live.

 

Maybe you were brought up to fear God? Like I said, I'm no perfect Christian and I'm not here to insult you and I understand why you are feeling the way you are. Just let your worries go, no matter how hard it is. God is love not hate, judgement nor worry.

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I think I've finally left Christianity. It didn't help me, all it did was give me more anxiety and worry. There are all kinds of theologies in Christendom though, some nicer than others, many are destructive though. I must have lost years off my lifespan worrying about getting into heaven.

 

I dunno how anyone can talk about love, when majority of the world is headed for eternal suffering in hell. The theologies are just appalling to me thinking about it now.

 

I realize now why I believed some sort of Christian worldview my whole life. I believed in God, and assumed it must be the God of the Bible. I'm still theist though, just believe in a better God, and happy afterlife for all.

I think you have the wrong view of Christianity as a religion in whole. "TRUE" Christians believe in forgiveness. Our God is a forgiving God. God understand everything about you, and has forgiven you. The problem is you need to forgive yourself for your past mistakes which is so hard.

 

I understand your struggle. It is only until now, that I realize what it means to believe in Jesus Christ. You need to have faith. By having faith, you do not have anxiety about getting into heaven. You put your fears, concerns and anxiety in God's hand and God will handle them by having faith in him. I know it is hard for many to do or believe, but this is way we must live.

 

Maybe you were brought up to fear God? Like I said, I'm no perfect Christian and I'm not here to insult you and I understand why you are feeling the way you are. Just let your worries go, no matter how hard it is. God is love not hate, judgement nor worry.

 

The more I go through this the more I realize, that the gospel of peace has been trampled by ritualistic, legalistic religion. And, many have left the faith. And, much much harm has been done in the name of Christ. I grew up in a Christian home, and what I thought all my life was Christianity, was certainly not. I nearly lost faith because of it. I am having to learn the basics all over again, and they are nothing like what I was taught for 30 years in church.

 

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free.

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I think you have the wrong view of Christianity as a religion in whole. "TRUE" Christians believe in forgiveness. Our God is a forgiving God. God understand everything about you, and has forgiven you. The problem is you need to forgive yourself for your past mistakes which is so hard.

 

I understand your struggle. It is only until now, that I realize what it means to believe in Jesus Christ. You need to have faith. By having faith, you do not have anxiety about getting into heaven. You put your fears, concerns and anxiety in God's hand and God will handle them by having faith in him. I know it is hard for many to do or believe, but this is way we must live.

 

Maybe you were brought up to fear God? Like I said, I'm no perfect Christian and I'm not here to insult you and I understand why you are feeling the way you are. Just let your worries go, no matter how hard it is. God is love not hate, judgement nor worry.

 

What bothers me about Christianity is the teachings on salvation. Most of Christianity teaches either eternal or temporary suffering in the afterlife for those who don't do things needed for salvation, which are either faith alone, faith+good works, or good works alone. To me, that seems like a really crappy situation for mankind to be born into... born into a realm where you gotta live under the threat of flames and try to save your skin.

 

The reason why a lot of Christianity has threatening and dark teachings, is because its source, the Bible, is that way, and theologians/churches include those in their theology.

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I think you have the wrong view of Christianity as a religion in whole. "TRUE" Christians believe in forgiveness. Our God is a forgiving God. God understand everything about you, and has forgiven you. The problem is you need to forgive yourself for your past mistakes which is so hard.

 

I understand your struggle. It is only until now, that I realize what it means to believe in Jesus Christ. You need to have faith. By having faith, you do not have anxiety about getting into heaven. You put your fears, concerns and anxiety in God's hand and God will handle them by having faith in him. I know it is hard for many to do or believe, but this is way we must live.

 

Maybe you were brought up to fear God? Like I said, I'm no perfect Christian and I'm not here to insult you and I understand why you are feeling the way you are. Just let your worries go, no matter how hard it is. God is love not hate, judgement nor worry.

 

What bothers me about Christianity is the teachings on salvation. Most of Christianity teaches either eternal or temporary suffering in the afterlife for those who don't do things needed for salvation, which are either faith alone, faith+good works, or good works alone. To me, that seems like a really crappy situation for mankind to be born into... born into a realm where you gotta live under the threat of flames and try to save your skin.

 

The reason why a lot of Christianity has threatening and dark teachings, is because its source, the Bible, is that way, and theologians/churches include those in their theology.

 

 

Different churches interpret the bible different ways. Some churches preach the word of God using the old testament while other churches use the new testament. Then there are churches which preach the word of God using both testaments. There are many different branches of Christianity. Not all believe the same thing.

 

Old testament is of God's wrath on mankind. New testament is of God's love and forgiveness of mankind for their sins.

Of course, these conclusions about each testament and are not completely accurate. It is more complex then this but I am trying to but it into contents as best as I can.

 

There has to be rules in life that God laid down for man to follow, if he didn't, there would be no consequences for bad behavior. The bible are the teachings of God. You may or may not believe them and that is fine, but I can tell you from experience, they have meaning which can be used in daily life.

 

If you are a good person, then God will see that, and will acknowledge it. This I am sure of.

 

I'm not trying to shove “Christianity” down your throat. Just letting you know that it is so much more than just the “fear of hell”. I think you are obsessing far too much about the fear of going to hell due to your OCD.

 

Is it possible you suffer from a form of OCD known as "Pure-OCD" based on intrusive religious thoughts and the fear of hell?? If so, you should learn how to put these thoughts/concerns into context, and manage them. Maybe seek the advice of a therapist.

 

I wish you the best of luck.

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Yes there is more to Christianity, but some of our family members, friends, neighbors, are gonna suffer for eternity in hell. If that doesn't make one panic I dunno what else will.

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Yes there is more to Christianity, but some of our family members, friends, neighbors, are gonna suffer for eternity in hell. If that doesn't make one panic I dunno what else will.

 

And why are these people going to suffer for eternity in hell?

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lionofJuda   
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I understand it happens to me i cant get back my life prior to psycotropic drugs i am mess and god didnt help out i am tired so tired of my helpless situation i guess the devil.won a soul.and god lost me

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I feel I have lost my faith too. It's just so hard when you pray for something every day for years on end (to be healed of this) and it doesn't come. And I don't hear God speaking to me, and I don't feel comforted. I feel confused and alone. And when I see all of these modern "Christians" who are hateful, judgmental, bigoted people I don't want to be associated with them at all. And yes the Old Testament may be more about a vengeful God, and the New Testament about a forgiving God, but that doesn't change the fact that it says in BOTH the Old and New Testament that homosexuals will go to hell. I'm sorry but I do not agree with that at all, and it's hard for me to just overlook that. How can one be sent to hell for something they have no control over? I have so many questions and God can't answer them for me. Only people can answer these questions, and everyone has a different opinion and think THEY are the only ones that are right. I do believe my faith has gotten me through some very dark times, but now I question whether it was God getting me through those times or whether it would have happened anyway. I mean I have many atheist friends with amazing lives, so where are all their blessings coming from? I'm not sure if I'm making sense. I guess my point is is that it really sucks to feel you are losing your faith.

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I feel I have lost my faith too. It's just so hard when you pray for something every day for years on end (to be healed of this) and it doesn't come. And I don't hear God speaking to me, and I don't feel comforted. I feel confused and alone. And when I see all of these modern "Christians" who are hateful, judgmental, bigoted people I don't want to be associated with them at all. And yes the Old Testament may be more about a vengeful God, and the New Testament about a forgiving God, but that doesn't change the fact that it says in BOTH the Old and New Testament that homosexuals will go to hell. I'm sorry but I do not agree with that at all, and it's hard for me to just overlook that. How can one be sent to hell for something they have no control over? I have so many questions and God can't answer them for me. Only people can answer these questions, and everyone has a different opinion and think THEY are the only ones that are right. I do believe my faith has gotten me through some very dark times, but now I question whether it was God getting me through those times or whether it would have happened anyway. I mean I have many atheist friends with amazing lives, so where are all their blessings coming from? I'm not sure if I'm making sense. I guess my point is is that it really sucks to feel you are losing your faith.

 

I know plenty of modern day atheists who are bigots as well.

 

I'm not going to discuss the other thing you brought up because it is irrelevant and doesn't describe Christianity as a religion at all.

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i became a Christian during the worst part of withdrawal and the first year in withdrawal. was never raised religious or anything, I was just so desperate and really felt like I was losing my mind and god was the only one to turn to. Christianity made things worse for me, but I guess it got me through one of the hardest times of my life without suicide which I am so grateful for. everyone has the right to believe what they want, but I considered myself delusional for believing in what I did and attribute it to a side effect of the medication. being a Christian has never been an interest of mine tell that time. I prayed for brain healing over and over again and it didn't come.

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Posted 06 September 2015 - 11:21 AM

DELIVERANCE AND HEALING FROM PERSCRIPTION MEDICATIONS

 

 

I was suffering from a life resulting from a lot of bad choices I made as a messed up person.  I was addicted to work and pleasing others. 

A couple weeks after 9/11 happened I went to a doctor because my heart was racing and I thought I was having a heart attack. I had stopped treating my sleep problems (I had insomnia my whole life) with natural products like vitamins and herbal teas and was drinking lots of coffee at work -- doing stuff that made me worse, including working 6 days a week and long hours. What I needed was to just let go and let GOD and a vacation.

The doc probably thought it was stress due to all going on in the country at the time.  She put me on a medication (I knew better than to do this!). It was called Paxil.  In 2 weeks I called her and told her I was worse.  She increased the dose.  This led to a nightmare for me.  In the 6 weeks I was on this drug I went what you call "MANIC". In all my years I had never gotten to this place before, even back many years ago when I did illegal drugs.

I was an outstanding employee; right arm to the president - helping doing various responsiblities of cleaning up a company they purchased.

During this time I stole thousands of dollars from my employer and spent it all in 6 weeks! Yes, me, who never stole a pencil from work.  I also did some other crazy things.  None of the money could be accounted for because I was out of my mind.  Fortunately I or nobody else lost their life during those 6 weeks.

I stopped the drug and crashed. I told them what I did. I got arrested and ended up in a 3 day stay at a mental hospital because I was afraid I would kill myself over what I had done.

These psychiatric doctors said I was bipolar. Well who wouldn’t be after being on that drug.  Anyway, these doctors wanted me to sue the medical doc who put me on that drug because she should have taken me off it when I called at 2 weeks with worse symptoms.  Instead she had increased it. They kept telling me I had a great case. I didn’t want to sue anyone.

I had to go to court proceedings.  I should have been put in prison. BUT, THE LORD TOOK CARE OF ME THROUGH THIS.  Even though I did not plead insanity like the doctors told me to do (because I felt I should own up to the consequences of my actions), I pled guilty and did not present my medical issues. By the grace of God I got off with just probation and to make monthly payments for 10 years.

I was such a mess.  I let the doctors put me on drugs.  I believed the lie I was bipolar. After going through a lot of drugs, this is what I ended up on daily for a few years: (enough to put down an elephant): 900 mg Seroquel, 300 mg Topamax, 3 mg Ativan, 3 mg Klonopin and more that I forgot the names of.  Also, for my fibromyalgia: 3 different drugs daily.  I forgot what they were but they were muscle relaxers and pain meds.

So I was for sure not in my right mind.  I could not function. I went on disability and gained a ton of weight.  One of my daughters had to do my checkbook. I was a zombie.

It took some years of living like this before the Lord could break through the wall. But thanks to HIM I was delivered from all these very very addictive meds and HE HEALED me.

I had pain for 20 years.  I had insomnia my whole life, and was addicted to lots of medications. Now I am pain free and drug free and I sleep. Also, I am more “balanced” than ever before, due to looking to Jesus for my everything - not others, nor constant drugs.

Also - instead of this legal mess going on for 10 years, in just 4 years for no reason at all every legal issue was all dropped and my record was wiped clean and I no longer had to repay the monthly payments.  It was if it never happened.  Who could do this?? JESUS of course!!!!

I have walked many paths but that was a very dark, scary one.  Still - HE REMEMBERED ME!  The Lord just keeps restoring all that the enemy stole from me.  No matter what path you are currently on, Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Light!

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Many people ask God to take away their pain, (addiction;etc.) and leave it at that.  When He doesn't, they come to believe God doesn't care.  But for multitudes who have testified of the delivering and healing power of Jesus Christ becoming actively involved in their painful situations ... they had to be willing to place their total trust in Him, and then be willing to do everything He asked them to do from that point on. 

Jesus declares:  "Have faith in God" - Mark 11:22 

When Jesus stated that, the context in which it was intended was addressing this issue:  When there seems to be no way, God will make a way if we wholeheartedly trust Him.  When we've run out of human answers, God has answers we can't fathom, but we must wholeheartedly trust Him.  God always has and always will be the God who can execute ANY miracle.  The question becomes:  "How desperate and determined are we to trust Him for one?"

When we are in pain, we just want it to go away.  We want a "zap" from God in a moment of time so it will go away.  God has and does do that at times, but usually He DOESN'T because He sees areas in our lives that need to be dealt with first - often spiritual matters of serious importance - before deliverance and healing (and blessing) comes of our problems.

When it comes to sicknesses and diseases, often time we must be willing to change what we are putting into our bodies, as well as engaging in proper excercise.  Lifestyles may need changing, because stress kills.  What we are feeding our minds can be killing us.  What we think about can kill us.  There can be many issues God wants us to deal with before He's willing to execute healing on our behalf.

God allows us to reach points of pain where it will drive us to Him for relief.  It's in our times of desperation when we call out to Him and refuse to let Him go, that He sees a willingness in us to deal with certain issues we've minimized in the past ... or outright buried because of the trauma it has caused us, and/or aren't even consciously aware of. 

Sometimes it goes even deeper than that.  Sometimes it becomes necessary to have pointed, accurate prayer executed on behalf of demonic strongholds in the spirit realm that hold us ensnared, and unless those demonic strongholds are broken, we can walk around never walking in total victory.  Other times, breaking demonic strongholds off our lives involves changing the way we believe about things -- changing the way we go about trusting God and trusting His Word.

The person with serious health issues who does not have a trusted individual to help them deal with spiritual sickness issues has no recourse but to get alone with God and let God do what He knows is always best in their particular situation.  (Though getting alone with God should never be a last resort.  It should always be our first course of action!)  In so doing, we need to be trustingly patient with God.  We need to trust in Him to do what needs to get done in all areas of our lives -- doing whatever He wants us to do to work in co-operation with His plan -- and show a willingness to be teachable.  This is the soil in which miracles happen in our lives.

There is no sickness nor disease that faith in Jesus Christ can't heal.  There is no addiction/s faith in Jesus Christ can't set a person free from.  There is no situation on earth a person might be dealing with that faith in Jesus Christ doesn't have an answer for and the power to execute His answer.  His answer might not always be what we want at the time, but His answer/s will pay eternal dividends.  Jesus Christ has ALL power, because He and the Father and the Holy Spirit are God.  But we must be teachable.  Often - We must come to a place where there is no other option to turn to for help but Jesus.

Wiser words have never been stated.  For most people ... do you know when you'll get free from your addiction/s?  When you get desperate enough.  Do you know when you'll get healed from your sickness and disease?  When you get desperate enough.  When there seems to be no other way; when it seems like all hope is gone ... no matter how frustrated you are with God from times past or at present ... He is eagerly waiting for you to trust Him again and again and again and ... 

Trusting God can seem to be the hardest thing in the world.  I've tasted that painful, frustrating place.  Yet it's the wisest thing we can do -- leaning on Him to deal with our pain.  If it wasn't, I wouldn't be alive this moment writing this, nor would a multitude of others who have testimonies to share of the mighty power of God to deliver and heal and bless.  

Yet I believe we need to be very careful about forming beliefs that refuse to believe that God can take someone to glory through their sickness and/or disease.  We view things soley from this side of eternity.  Ever person who has died from some sickness or disease and passed into heaven never started complaining they were in in heaven, I have no doubt.

I'm of the belief that God wants us doing everything we know to do to help either ourselves or someone else become free of sicknesses and diseases, if they want our help -- yet be willing to hear the Holy Spirit say that it's time to let that person go on to glory if that is what God determines is best for the person, or ourselves.  

Sometimes the accumulated pain of life and/or the pain of the sickness or disease is too great for a person suffering (and sometimes those close to them).  Sometimes God weighs that issue and determines it is best to let that person come HOME.  Who are we to hinder that option, or get all bent out of shape about that option God many times uses? 

Sure we would like everyone to be totally healthy at death.  One moment perfectly healthy; then the heart stopping quickly and translation to heaven.  I'm guessing God would like the same.  But we don't live in a world YET that deals in "perfect situations".  That world is coming; it just is not here YET.  We live in a broken, chaotic world where sin and evil rages, and God works with us more at that level at present than in "perfect situations." 

We'll close with that.

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KarenB   
KarenB

Add me to the list of those who lose their faith during withdrawal.  I hate the fact that I've lost my faith - I desperately wish God was true, or at least the God I always pictured as being right with me, through all the crap of my childhood.  But now, I can't bear to pray anymore, and I can't see how he/she can be true.  And it makes me feel horribly alone.

 

And it's no point telling any Christian friends - all they'll want to do is pray for me :blink:.  And that makes me mad :angry:.  (Though on the up-side, I got to use that crazy face for once...)

 

So to those here who have also lost their faith - I hear you, and I want to simply accept what you are saying - and add nothing further.

 

Hugs,

Karen 

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bluebalu86   
bluebalu86

I'm in the same situation. 

When I was little, I had religious OCD. Religion freaked me out. And I don't come from a religious family, so it was never shoved down my throat. But what I learned about it made me dread it.

Then I was spiritual for a long time. Then I thought I was atheist. Then spiritual again. Now - I don't know. 

I talk about God and some saints and things from Christianity, but I'm not really Christian I think. The ideas in Christianity are not how I perceive God, so it's not a religion that fits me.

I've always been interested in Buddhism. 

Now I don't know. I'm just losing what little faith I had because such bad things are happening to me and I can't understand why. 

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KarenB   
KarenB

I did have religion shoved down my throat as a kid, but I never connected that stuff with the idea I had of a Jesus who was with me.  Now, the closest I can get to anything spiritual is my belief that there is goodness in this world.  I cling on to that.  At least it's hopeful, and it focusses on love. 

 

Over the last year, being able to think 'there is goodness' has often been the only thing that has kept me on this path.  

 

I was really grateful to discover this particular topic because I've had nowhere else to say these things.  

 

Hugs,

Karen 

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MRothbard   
MRothbard

The Gnostic Gospels might give some Christians with lapsing faith a refreshing perspective.  Check them out. The Christianity we know today was sort of engineered by the Romans to put the emphasis on an authoritarian church, and finding one's salvation therein. The Gnostic Gospels, as an account of what Jesus said, put the emphasis on one's personal relationship with Jesus and the divine.

 

I think when someone loses faith, maybe they've just outgrown their previous idea of what God is. 

 

But one of the constants we can depend on is the undeniable presence of love, and our instinct that life is sacred.

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KarenB   
KarenB

So perhaps it could be a growth of faith rather than a loss. 

 

I think when someone loses faith, maybe they've just outgrown their previous idea of what God is. 

 

But one of the constants we can depend on is the undeniable presence of love, and our instinct that life is sacred.

 

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MRothbard   
MRothbard

 

So perhaps it could be a growth of faith rather than a loss. 

 

I think when someone loses faith, maybe they've just outgrown their previous idea of what God is. 

 

But one of the constants we can depend on is the undeniable presence of love, and our instinct that life is sacred.

 

 

yes, that's a good way to put it.

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freespirit   
freespirit

For those of us whose spirituality is not centered around a God, this is also true. I've seen this process as a way to deepen a more authentic spiritual life...and to let go of beliefs or practices that were not serving me.

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JanCarol   
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The Gnostic Gospels might give some Christians with lapsing faith a refreshing perspective.  Check them out. The Christianity we know today was sort of engineered by the Romans to put the emphasis on an authoritarian church, and finding one's salvation therein. The Gnostic Gospels, as an account of what Jesus said, put the emphasis on one's personal relationship with Jesus and the divine.

 

I think when someone loses faith, maybe they've just outgrown their previous idea of what God is. 

 

But one of the constants we can depend on is the undeniable presence of love, and our instinct that life is sacred.

 

Yes, there are several of these; The Nag Hammadi Library, the Dead Sea Scrolls, Book of Enoch (I & II)  all give a different view of  the stories.  Reading these turned my beliefs on their head - the stuff that was pounded into me as a child - here was an alternate.

 

It was when the current canon was condensed into the Nicene Creed in 381 - it's that creed which I cannot buy, and which places humanity in sin and needs the intervention of Church and Priesthood that forges the initial corruption of the religion for me.  What is in the Nicene Creed - you can point to Bible verses which support it - but the Creed itself, upon which the Religion balances, is not in the Bible.

 

When I came to this, the scales fell from my eyes, and I could see other Truths were true, too.  And I could reconcile the various stories in the OT & NT that seemed to be in conflict.

 

Oh, and Paul?  Not a big fan of him, either.  He is just one author whose works were heavily relied upon to create the Current Canon.

 

I enjoyed The Jesus Seminar, a Study into The Historical Jesus, as well.  Because there have been many writers and editors of this book which many take to be a literal truth.  The Jesus Seminar helps to parse out some of these authors and their veracity.

 

Since then, I enjoy similar experience with the Hindu Canon, Buddhist texts, pre-Christian and Gnostic texts as well.  Because they all point to that light, that connection, that Gnosis, that God-Experience that we all seem to crave.  And, in fact, we have chemicals in our brain which are designed to motivate us in that way - why would there be a God Molecule, if there were no God?

 

My journey is arduous.  I expanded to the Other Bible (Apocrypha) in the 1980's, but then in the late 90's, my "faith" was restructured yet again by a narcissistic yoga man in the name of Advaita Vedanta which stripped me away of all hope of belief.  THEN I got drugged.

 

My sense of Gnosis is returning, but slowly, tentatively, because now I have greater discrimination than before.

 

The world is not black or white, we see all the colors of the rainbow.  I cannot believe that there is punishment waiting - isn't this life, and the mistakes we make in it - punishment enough?

 

My current favorite canon is Creation.  What can we learn from the way the animals relate to one another, the way nature is intertwined, interdependent?  What can we learn from the life cycle of an ant?  A tree?  A weather pattern?  This is my current canon, and one which I can observe and study for the rest of my life and not be disappointed in the workings of man.

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KarenB   
KarenB

Let's remember that this thread is a space for people to talk about their loss of faith.  There are other threads where it would be more appropriate to share how faith may have helped.  Please respect this space for what it is. 

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MNgal1960   
MNgal1960

Thank you, Karen. I am out of prayers and out of hope. Being preached at by someone who doesn't know you, when you are in the depths of despair, is very unhelpful. Either there is no God or I am the useless servant who has been cast out now that I am too sick to serve in His church any more. His people have no use for me and will not walk with me through this pain. They are busy with friends and hobbies and going to sports and jobs and "ministries" (such as shaking someone's hand at the church door, saying welcome, and then walking away and leaving them in their pain and loneliness). I am alone. I have no job. My husband left me. My family moved away. My friends drifted away when I got sick. My pleas to the church for someone to walk with me through the darkness have fallen on deaf ears. If I ever do find my way back to God, it will be in spite of "God's people" not because of them.

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Nancy89   
Nancy89

Well, maybe Christianity is not the only way. Maybe just believe in reason. 

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MNgal1960   
MNgal1960

For those of us who had a deep spirituality of some kind (whatever that was) before w/d, to lose it was very painful. This thread is about that experience, losing something precious you once had.

 

MNgal

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btdt   
btdt

Expect to lose faith expect it to come and go.... cause this is a challenge to faith.  

 

For me inspiration has come and gone... like windows and waves... faith however dim it was did not leave me completely it was so far down I could not find it but it was still there some place and when I am in the thick of things stuck in the weeds I can't seem to make myself try one more inch ... one more second... then I rest. Wait anguish and sooner or later it will come down to is it better to be tired and broken and anguished with a bit of faith... or without it. 

 

At my bleakest points I always reach back to prayer... that is just me. How it has been these past nine years I now try not to get too bleak cause it is too hard to get back from oddly enough just when I think I can handle what comes with all this wd crap something new will come up to challenge me... that is how it has been for nine years and that is how it is today still. 

 

Surely is a strange way to live... I will give you that. 

 

For me it comes back to choices... so far it always come back to it is better to do this with faith than without but I will admit there were many times I could not find it and thought it gone but it wasn't. 

 

wish you all peace

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