solida Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Hi btdt,nice Hearing from you-although you don t feel well either. This update is only 6days old-lol-so no,there are no improvements-and I just said to a friend on the phone,that I can t remember beeing that sick for so long. That scares me.Well,what can we do,but sitting still and wait. lg solida Sept.2007 Citalopram for burn out,reverse reaction Paroxetin 20mg,5 weeks,had to stop because of reverse reaction after a manic episode,severe withdrawal hit after 6 weeks, hospitalization twice,during the first 2 years withdrawal got worse and worse disabled since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I think I am losing patients again with the waiting... it happens over and over with me I lose my patients and start the search all over again for a" cure"or something to help at least I think I am doing this now.. seeking yet again. Maybe desperate enough to try a supplement and make myself sicker again... really I wonder if I found the miracle drug today if I would have enough guts to take it ... I have NO TRUST so it makes it hard. Sorry I missed the date of the post ...only 6 days ago.. I don't always have an eye for details especially lately. Do you use any sort of meditation.. just curious cause when I get to the place where I can't do the shops that state... I do a lot more meditation or deep relaxation I get the off utube... the first one that comes up when you type in deep relaxation is the one I use most I wish you peace ps could be I just have no patients now period... WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solida Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Just wrote you a loooong post-put your pm box is full!!!! At the Moment I m listening a lot to Eckhart Tolle at you tube-he actually lives in Vancouver.love him. my best remedy always was to walk in the forest-at the moment I feel really off after a longer walk.I m fed up as well with waiting. during the first few years of withdrawal my inner guide told me I can do nothing but to peel potatoes( matapher)-now I hate this picture.....lg Sept.2007 Citalopram for burn out,reverse reaction Paroxetin 20mg,5 weeks,had to stop because of reverse reaction after a manic episode,severe withdrawal hit after 6 weeks, hospitalization twice,during the first 2 years withdrawal got worse and worse disabled since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 keep it I will delete something I suck at house keeping in pms WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solida Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 you are in strong demand. Sept.2007 Citalopram for burn out,reverse reaction Paroxetin 20mg,5 weeks,had to stop because of reverse reaction after a manic episode,severe withdrawal hit after 6 weeks, hospitalization twice,during the first 2 years withdrawal got worse and worse disabled since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 you are in strong demand. Ok it is ready i can get pms now... I talk to a lot of people on here lately since having a rough go again... unable to sleep nights. there is not much else to do... in he middle of the night but talk to folks on here from Australia ect Plus I keep old emails as long as I am able as my memory is so bad I forget what I said WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus Rhiannon Posted February 6, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 6, 2015 On the topic of this thread, I was wondering if other people have chosen not to take antibiotics when they were supposed to. I just had an extraction and two dental implants placed yesterday, and I was supposed to take amoxicillin for five days before and five days after. I took it for a day and a half the day before and the day of and last night after the surgery but I don't think I'm going to take it any more. I just feel like systemic antibiotics that mess up your entire microbiome of all your body--that's just too much damage. I'm using the germicidal mouthwash they gave me. Hopefully that will be enough. If not, oh well, guess I'll learn a lesson. Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010. Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea. Feb 15 2010: 300 mg Neurontin 200 Lamictal 10 Celexa 0.65 Xanax and 5 mg Ambien Feb 10 2014: 62 Lamictal 1.1 Celexa 0.135 Xanax 1.8 Valium Feb 10 2015: 50 Lamictal 0.875 Celexa 0.11 Xanax 1.5 Valium Feb 15 2016: 47.5 Lamictal 0.75 Celexa 0.0875 Xanax 1.42 Valium 2/12/20 12 0.045 0.007 1 May 2021 7 0.01 0.0037 1 Feb 2022 6 0!!! 0.00167 0.98 2.5 mg Ambien Oct 2022 4.5 mg Lamictal (off Celexa, off Xanax) 0.95 Valium Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solida Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Hi Rhi-I m from Germany and here doctors hand out antibiotics very rarely and carefully. For an extractation (I had two) it is not needed. For an Implantat they suggest AB for 3 days. I had an radioectomy with a severe infection, I waited to long,but the doctor said that if I had shown up more quickly I had been fine without. lg solida Sept.2007 Citalopram for burn out,reverse reaction Paroxetin 20mg,5 weeks,had to stop because of reverse reaction after a manic episode,severe withdrawal hit after 6 weeks, hospitalization twice,during the first 2 years withdrawal got worse and worse disabled since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 On the topic of this thread, I was wondering if other people have chosen not to take antibiotics when they were supposed to. I just had an extraction and two dental implants placed yesterday, and I was supposed to take amoxicillin for five days before and five days after. I took it for a day and a half the day before and the day of and last night after the surgery but I don't think I'm going to take it any more. I just feel like systemic antibiotics that mess up your entire microbiome of all your body--that's just too much damage. I'm using the germicidal mouthwash they gave me. Hopefully that will be enough. If not, oh well, guess I'll learn a lesson. I have not used it but there is a product called acilla max people here use it may be worth a look prescript assist is suggested to help your body maintain its microbes while taking an antibiotic if it should turn out you need them. Wish I had taken it last year when I was needing all those antibiotics I did you a different kind of probiotic ... the prescript is formulated to take with antibiotics WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Hello all, I have to take an antibiotic due to an urinary tract infection and I am afraid like hell to take any. Does anyone have a tip which one I should take? Someone gave me the hint to stay clear of fluoroquinolones, because they seem to be really bad. I tried to wait it out, but that makes no sense anymore. Thanks for help in advance! End of 2008: Remeron 15mg for around 2 months. Unorthodox taper, no problems.End of August 2009: Lexapro 10mg for only 4 days. Panic attack after 3 pills. Severe gastro problems in the morning for 3 days after last pill. 2 weeks later strong w/d symptoms set in. Acute WD lasted around 3.5 years. I am feeling much better today, 5.5 years out, but still have some symptoms left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NervousKitten Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Why are you afraid of antibiotics? 1999 Prozac with occasional Xanax 2002 Effexor Xr with occasional Valium 2010 Off Effexor (slow taper) 2010 Prozac rx to help with Effexor withdrawal. Activating, so stopped. 2011 Zoloft rx 2013 Zoloft stops working after a few increases, decide to stop taking it 2013 October last Zoloft dose after a 6-9 month taper 2014 January, April, May, June ER inducing anxiety attacks 2014 June Ativan prescribed as needed. Last taken Nov 2014, but still have pills just in case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Oh, I am afraid of every medicine now after I have had my negative reaction to Lexapro. I know people who were back to square one for some time (months) after they have taken an antibiotic. So I am very careful. End of 2008: Remeron 15mg for around 2 months. Unorthodox taper, no problems.End of August 2009: Lexapro 10mg for only 4 days. Panic attack after 3 pills. Severe gastro problems in the morning for 3 days after last pill. 2 weeks later strong w/d symptoms set in. Acute WD lasted around 3.5 years. I am feeling much better today, 5.5 years out, but still have some symptoms left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 There is a very real and potentially lethal syndrome for some antibiotics. A very healthy friend was crippled by it; others have died. My friend experienced this, ruptured Achilles tendons: http://www.webmd.com/osteoarthritis/news/20080708/fda-warning-cipro-may-rupture-tendons Others have reported psychosis and deaths. I've seen two news stories in the last few weeks by women suing drug companies over their young husband's deaths. I don't know how common it is, but it's real. Worth doing your own internet searches. 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NervousKitten Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I'm the same way! I try to stick to medications that I have taken in the past with no side effects. I developed a severe aversion to ZPak after doing research on it and saw FDA warnings. But I was also incredibly sick with a lung infection where I was coughing up large amounts of icky stuff. At that point it had turned into a bacterial infection and would have most likely gotten worse (I was put on a steroid inhaler and then prednisone it was so hard to breathe). There is a secondary risk to not taking the antibiotic where the infection could spread and you could become septic, which means you could be hospitalized and need IVs of powerful antibiotics. When that was explained to me, I choked down just enough doses for it to clear up and worked with my doctor to find a suitable replacement if the infection came back that didn't cause the same possible side effect. Gladly it didn't come back, but I would definitely recommend talking to your doctor and letting him know about your anxiety and looking for the most effective antibiotic that you can take that is least likely to give you side effects. Since my system is so sensitive, I usually ask for medications that would be prescribed for babies or the elderly. Have you taken any sort of antibiotics previously? Anything you have taken in the past would be least likely to cause discomfort now. 1999 Prozac with occasional Xanax 2002 Effexor Xr with occasional Valium 2010 Off Effexor (slow taper) 2010 Prozac rx to help with Effexor withdrawal. Activating, so stopped. 2011 Zoloft rx 2013 Zoloft stops working after a few increases, decide to stop taking it 2013 October last Zoloft dose after a 6-9 month taper 2014 January, April, May, June ER inducing anxiety attacks 2014 June Ativan prescribed as needed. Last taken Nov 2014, but still have pills just in case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Yes, Cipro is a dangerous antibiotic. It belongs to the group I wrote in my first posting. Took it once without problems, but would never take it again. I took some antibiotics maybe 6 or 7 years ago, but I do not remember of what group they were. Guess I have to ask my "second" doctor (he is more into natural remedies) what he would prescribe. Those darn ADs have fucked everything up. Makes everything concerning health issues even more complicated... End of 2008: Remeron 15mg for around 2 months. Unorthodox taper, no problems.End of August 2009: Lexapro 10mg for only 4 days. Panic attack after 3 pills. Severe gastro problems in the morning for 3 days after last pill. 2 weeks later strong w/d symptoms set in. Acute WD lasted around 3.5 years. I am feeling much better today, 5.5 years out, but still have some symptoms left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicken Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Absolutely do not take any floroquinolones! like Cipro, Levequin, Avelox and the like. Google the safe antibiotic list for those who have been "floxed." The older ones like penecillin appear to be safer. There is another thread on here about antibiotics with the safer ones listed. Glad you are doing your research. You will not regret it. Prozac 1999-2009 quit semi cold turkey. 2012 Placed on Seroquel 25 mg, Tranxene (Clorezepate) 3.75 mg 3x a day, Remeron 30 mg for anxiety/akathesia. Weaned off Seroquel and Tranxene .to Remeron 15 Mg. In May 2014 tried quitting Remeron at its lowest dose. Had severe withdrawals.Reinstated Remeron at 30 mg by doctor. August 5 2014 entered hospital. Doctor pulled the Remeron and bridged it to Pamelor (Nortriptyline) 40mg and Zyprexa 2.5mg.After removing the Remeron all my bad symptoms went away and I am stable. 9/11/14 - 7.5 mg tranxene, 40mg Pamelor, Zyprexa 2.5mg 12/29/14 - 20mg Pamelor, 1/6/15, 7/31/15 3.5mg, 8/10/15 3.2 mg, 9/15/15 2.2mg, 10/15/15 1.8mg (Feb 2016 - 1.4mg Pamelor only - OFF OF TRANXENE AND ZYPREXA SINCE DEC 2014 BENZO FREE Since 2014. Nortrityline (Pamelor) .8mg Aug 2016 March 2017 DRUG FREE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicken Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Cipro reacted with My AD I was tapering and I was never able stabilize. Had to switch to another AD. Cipro is nasty stuff. Prozac 1999-2009 quit semi cold turkey. 2012 Placed on Seroquel 25 mg, Tranxene (Clorezepate) 3.75 mg 3x a day, Remeron 30 mg for anxiety/akathesia. Weaned off Seroquel and Tranxene .to Remeron 15 Mg. In May 2014 tried quitting Remeron at its lowest dose. Had severe withdrawals.Reinstated Remeron at 30 mg by doctor. August 5 2014 entered hospital. Doctor pulled the Remeron and bridged it to Pamelor (Nortriptyline) 40mg and Zyprexa 2.5mg.After removing the Remeron all my bad symptoms went away and I am stable. 9/11/14 - 7.5 mg tranxene, 40mg Pamelor, Zyprexa 2.5mg 12/29/14 - 20mg Pamelor, 1/6/15, 7/31/15 3.5mg, 8/10/15 3.2 mg, 9/15/15 2.2mg, 10/15/15 1.8mg (Feb 2016 - 1.4mg Pamelor only - OFF OF TRANXENE AND ZYPREXA SINCE DEC 2014 BENZO FREE Since 2014. Nortrityline (Pamelor) .8mg Aug 2016 March 2017 DRUG FREE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflower0214 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 If you have a UTI, take D-Mannose. You can buy it at the natural food store! Don't take an antibiotic if you don't have a positive culture either. Blood in urine does not mean you have an infection. This can be cystitis. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compsports Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I am hoping that the ENT that I am going to have do my septoplasty/turbinate reduction next month doesn't routinely prescribe antibiotics as a prophylactic measure like most ENTs do even though the research doesn't seem to support the practice. But in case he does, I am definitely going to start taking probiotics so that my good bacteria doesn't get destroyed. I will follow nervous kitten's advice about asking for one prescribed for the elderly. Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010 Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006 Finished taper on June 10, 2010 Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016 Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighid Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 As one who had a bout of recurring UTIs a couple of years ago (now better, thankfully), and also has had side effects to multiple antibiotics (as well as a bit of antibiotic resistance), I have landed on some strategies that I've learned the hard way. I'm not a doctor, so am just presenting lessons learned in my own particular case. (1) first and foremost, I don't rely on a simple office dipstick result--I always wait for a culture to come back before treating with anything. That way, I can be sure that I actually *have* an infection, and my doctor can choose the most targeted antibiotic that will be effective for my specific strain. Often, there will be a choice of more than one antibiotic that will be effective, and I can ask my doctor which one is less likely to cause me side effects. (2) I avoid broad-spectrum antibiotics, especially the fluroquinolones. Often doctors will prescribe a drug such as Cipro because it's a "catch-all" that's likely to be effective against multiple strains of bacteria, and they don't have to wait for the culture results to come back. But it's also more likely to cause side effects, some of them serious. I took Cipro once or twice in my life without incident, but the last time I took it I developed achilles tendinopathy and ended up in an orthopedic boot for weeks. (3) If I have a *true* UTI as indicated by a culture, I personally wouldn't fool around with not treating it, or looking for a natural alternative. Once the UTI has been effectively treated, one can always consider a maintenance dose of cranberry or other natural alternative to help the bladder resist future infections. Wishing you quick healing! 1990 - mid-2000s: on and off several ADs, including Prozac, Effexor, Celexa, and Wellbutrin. Many side-effects and hard withdrawals. 1990 - mid-2000s: Klonopin 0.5 mg per day prn for sleep & anxiety. mid-2000s - 2011: switched dosing to Klonopin 0.25 twice-daily for the above plus back pain (!) Never increased dose. 2011 - began taper with missteps; then @ 5% of current dose every 2 wks, using combo of pill and compounded liquid. 2012: yearlong hold at 0.165 bid to undergo specialized PT for pelvic floor syndrome, prob triggered by high muscle tone from taper. 2013: resumed taper @ 5% of current dose per month, from 0.165 down to 0.155 bid. 3/2013 - 6/2014: another year+ hold due to bad foot fracture & family trauma (sudden deaths). 6/2014 - 1/2015: resumed taper at 5% month; from 0.155 down to 0.125 bid (half original dose; or 1/4 of 0.5 tab). Held two months. 3/2015: Started 0.125 compounded tablets pure clonazepam, twice a day. Supplements: fish oil, probiotics, cranberry, Vit C, Vit D, turmeric, magnesium powder, tablets, oil. Also occasional baby aspirin. Exquisitely sensitive to meds. Working full time. In my late fifties. My intro thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8733-brighids-intro-my-slow-mo-clonazepam-taper-hits-a-speed-bump/?p=145214 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Thank you all for your comments and advices! I will talk to my doctor again next week as all results (urine and smear test) have been negative so far, but I still got problems. That's why he wanted me to take Monuril. End of 2008: Remeron 15mg for around 2 months. Unorthodox taper, no problems.End of August 2009: Lexapro 10mg for only 4 days. Panic attack after 3 pills. Severe gastro problems in the morning for 3 days after last pill. 2 weeks later strong w/d symptoms set in. Acute WD lasted around 3.5 years. I am feeling much better today, 5.5 years out, but still have some symptoms left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflower0214 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Ya, if you have negative urine culture, I would not touch antibiotics with a ten foot pole! Just my opinion. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighid Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I have to agree with JDM here--I myself wouldn't take antibiotics without proof of bacterial infection. Luckily I have a doctor who won't prescribe them for UTI symptoms unless she sees a positive culture. 1990 - mid-2000s: on and off several ADs, including Prozac, Effexor, Celexa, and Wellbutrin. Many side-effects and hard withdrawals. 1990 - mid-2000s: Klonopin 0.5 mg per day prn for sleep & anxiety. mid-2000s - 2011: switched dosing to Klonopin 0.25 twice-daily for the above plus back pain (!) Never increased dose. 2011 - began taper with missteps; then @ 5% of current dose every 2 wks, using combo of pill and compounded liquid. 2012: yearlong hold at 0.165 bid to undergo specialized PT for pelvic floor syndrome, prob triggered by high muscle tone from taper. 2013: resumed taper @ 5% of current dose per month, from 0.165 down to 0.155 bid. 3/2013 - 6/2014: another year+ hold due to bad foot fracture & family trauma (sudden deaths). 6/2014 - 1/2015: resumed taper at 5% month; from 0.155 down to 0.125 bid (half original dose; or 1/4 of 0.5 tab). Held two months. 3/2015: Started 0.125 compounded tablets pure clonazepam, twice a day. Supplements: fish oil, probiotics, cranberry, Vit C, Vit D, turmeric, magnesium powder, tablets, oil. Also occasional baby aspirin. Exquisitely sensitive to meds. Working full time. In my late fifties. My intro thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8733-brighids-intro-my-slow-mo-clonazepam-taper-hits-a-speed-bump/?p=145214 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 The question is, what can one do if the results are negative, but the problems are still there? I tried some natural remedy, to no avail. End of 2008: Remeron 15mg for around 2 months. Unorthodox taper, no problems.End of August 2009: Lexapro 10mg for only 4 days. Panic attack after 3 pills. Severe gastro problems in the morning for 3 days after last pill. 2 weeks later strong w/d symptoms set in. Acute WD lasted around 3.5 years. I am feeling much better today, 5.5 years out, but still have some symptoms left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meimeiquest Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 What exactly are your symptoms? 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflower0214 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 The question is, what can one do if the results are negative, but the problems are still there? I tried some natural remedy, to no avail. If the results are negative you may just have interstitial cystitis. You don't need an antibiotic when there is no infection. If you have taken AD, bladder dysfunction is a known side effect. It feels like an infection. I've had this on and off for months. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Well, it is solely at the end (close to the glans) of the urethra. Sometimes a prickling and sometimes pain, sometimes it is gone for some days. That are the "only" symtpoms so far. End of 2008: Remeron 15mg for around 2 months. Unorthodox taper, no problems.End of August 2009: Lexapro 10mg for only 4 days. Panic attack after 3 pills. Severe gastro problems in the morning for 3 days after last pill. 2 weeks later strong w/d symptoms set in. Acute WD lasted around 3.5 years. I am feeling much better today, 5.5 years out, but still have some symptoms left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meimeiquest Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 That doesn't sound like a UTI to me. Hopefully others will have some suggestions. 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflower0214 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 That sounds a bit like PGAD. it doesn't sound like an infection. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus Aeroman Posted February 26, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 26, 2015 I recovered from Lexapro withdrawal sometime in 2011. I took Cipro in July 2014 and started to get nausea, anxiety, depression, and vertigo days after I finished. 5 months later, I experienced my first auditory hallucination/psychosis event. I am at Month 7 post Cipro and not 100%. Stay away from all Fluoroquinolones!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lexparo 10mg user for 2.5 years. Last dose was 2/27/2008 after a fast 1 month taper. Recovered around 2011. Had issues with depression, anxiety, akathasia, inner restlessness, vertigo, insomnia, loss of appetite, eye floaters just to name a few. Basically rode it out, employing the Dr. Claire Weekes method. Took Cipro in July of 2014 and have been having set backs with nausea, vertigo, anxiety (racing thoughts), and depression the last half of 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Hey Aeroman,Very sorry to hear that! I followed your story back in the Paxil forum, as I wash short behind you with WD. If I recall correctly, I took Cipro some months before I had my negative reaction. Wonder if that might have had an influence... I hope you are feeling much better soon! End of 2008: Remeron 15mg for around 2 months. Unorthodox taper, no problems.End of August 2009: Lexapro 10mg for only 4 days. Panic attack after 3 pills. Severe gastro problems in the morning for 3 days after last pill. 2 weeks later strong w/d symptoms set in. Acute WD lasted around 3.5 years. I am feeling much better today, 5.5 years out, but still have some symptoms left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compsports Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Aeroman, I am also very sorry about your situation. I can't imagine what you are feeling after thinking you were out of the woods only to have this setback. As one who will be given antibiotics prophylacticaly after my septoplasty (don't even get me started), I wanted to suggest that anyone who is prescribed this medicine also take pro biotics at the same time. Of course, check with your doctor. It just seems that any doctor who doesn't suggest this is missing the boat even if he/she has good intentions. Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010 Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006 Finished taper on June 10, 2010 Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016 Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighid Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 As one who will be given antibiotics prophylacticaly after my septoplasty (don't even get me started), I wanted to suggest that anyone who is prescribed this medicine also take pro biotics at the same time. I can't agree with this more! I take a maintenance dose of probiotics daily (it works for me), but if I have to take an antibiotic, I go to the health food store and ask for the big guns--something with a kaziillion per dose. I also was prescribed a small dose of antibiotics prophylactically when I had a string of recurrent UTIs, and I ended up with a candida infection in my esophagus. (It was discovered during an endoscopy related to symptoms of GERD, which it turned out I *didn't* have.) Scared the heck out of me at the time, but my GI doc assured me that he himself had contracted an esophageal infection from long-term antibiotic use, and that it's not all that unusual. I find that most mainstream doctors are OK with recommending probiotics these days, so I suspect there shouldn't be much resistance to using them. 1990 - mid-2000s: on and off several ADs, including Prozac, Effexor, Celexa, and Wellbutrin. Many side-effects and hard withdrawals. 1990 - mid-2000s: Klonopin 0.5 mg per day prn for sleep & anxiety. mid-2000s - 2011: switched dosing to Klonopin 0.25 twice-daily for the above plus back pain (!) Never increased dose. 2011 - began taper with missteps; then @ 5% of current dose every 2 wks, using combo of pill and compounded liquid. 2012: yearlong hold at 0.165 bid to undergo specialized PT for pelvic floor syndrome, prob triggered by high muscle tone from taper. 2013: resumed taper @ 5% of current dose per month, from 0.165 down to 0.155 bid. 3/2013 - 6/2014: another year+ hold due to bad foot fracture & family trauma (sudden deaths). 6/2014 - 1/2015: resumed taper at 5% month; from 0.155 down to 0.125 bid (half original dose; or 1/4 of 0.5 tab). Held two months. 3/2015: Started 0.125 compounded tablets pure clonazepam, twice a day. Supplements: fish oil, probiotics, cranberry, Vit C, Vit D, turmeric, magnesium powder, tablets, oil. Also occasional baby aspirin. Exquisitely sensitive to meds. Working full time. In my late fifties. My intro thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8733-brighids-intro-my-slow-mo-clonazepam-taper-hits-a-speed-bump/?p=145214 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compsports Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 As one who will be given antibiotics prophylacticaly after my septoplasty (don't even get me started), I wanted to suggest that anyone who is prescribed this medicine also take pro biotics at the same time. I can't agree with this more! I take a maintenance dose of probiotics daily (it works for me), but if I have to take an antibiotic, I go to the health food store and ask for the big guns--something with a kaziillion per dose. I also was prescribed a small dose of antibiotics prophylactically when I had a string of recurrent UTIs, and I ended up with a candida infection in my esophagus. (It was discovered during an endoscopy related to symptoms of GERD, which it turned out I *didn't* have.) Scared the heck out of me at the time, but my GI doc assured me that he himself had contracted an esophageal infection from long-term antibiotic use, and that it's not all that unusual. I find that most mainstream doctors are OK with recommending probiotics these days, so I suspect there shouldn't be much resistance to using them. Hi Brighid, I am so sorry you suffered so much from antibiotics. Having an infection in your esophagus sounds very scary. My ENT feels that because I will only be on them a week, my risk of side effects is minimal. Famous last words. Right now, I am taking Trader Joes probiotics but am interested in something stronger and have bookmarked some brands on Amazon that reviewers said helped with lessening side effects from antibiotics. Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010 Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006 Finished taper on June 10, 2010 Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016 Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighid Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 That sounds like a really good strategy, compsports--bookmarking probiotics touted for use with antibiotics. I wish I could remember the name of the brand I took when I went to the health food store (where there is a young guy who is super knowledgeable and kind), but it's out of my head now. I suspect there isn't any one brand that's best for use with antibiotics; I just go for one that's stronger in terms of numbers and strains. And yeah, I've been through the mill when it comes to antibiotics (and other meds)! I've always been sensitive, but now that I'm in withdrawal I seem to have gone over the top. Last year I took a z-pac for a sinus infection (only when my ENT insisted, and I literally couldn't breathe), and the next morning I woke up with big red lumps on my shins known as "erythema nodusum." It's not like I could be suggestible about getting this side effect--I had never heard of it (apparently some sort of inflammatory response), and the doc was so baffled he took photographs for my record and put me through tests to see if it could be from something else, like strep. But no--I stopped the drug, and the bumps went away. I used to say that if someone in the next apartment took a medication, I would get their side effects. And it's often something I've never heard of or thought of! But my reaction is not at all typical. I suspect you'll be absolutely fine with just a week's worth of antibiotics together with probiotics. Wishing you all the best with your septoplasty! You will be in my thoughts. 1990 - mid-2000s: on and off several ADs, including Prozac, Effexor, Celexa, and Wellbutrin. Many side-effects and hard withdrawals. 1990 - mid-2000s: Klonopin 0.5 mg per day prn for sleep & anxiety. mid-2000s - 2011: switched dosing to Klonopin 0.25 twice-daily for the above plus back pain (!) Never increased dose. 2011 - began taper with missteps; then @ 5% of current dose every 2 wks, using combo of pill and compounded liquid. 2012: yearlong hold at 0.165 bid to undergo specialized PT for pelvic floor syndrome, prob triggered by high muscle tone from taper. 2013: resumed taper @ 5% of current dose per month, from 0.165 down to 0.155 bid. 3/2013 - 6/2014: another year+ hold due to bad foot fracture & family trauma (sudden deaths). 6/2014 - 1/2015: resumed taper at 5% month; from 0.155 down to 0.125 bid (half original dose; or 1/4 of 0.5 tab). Held two months. 3/2015: Started 0.125 compounded tablets pure clonazepam, twice a day. Supplements: fish oil, probiotics, cranberry, Vit C, Vit D, turmeric, magnesium powder, tablets, oil. Also occasional baby aspirin. Exquisitely sensitive to meds. Working full time. In my late fifties. My intro thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8733-brighids-intro-my-slow-mo-clonazepam-taper-hits-a-speed-bump/?p=145214 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patoski Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Hi I've had an inflamed pain radiating from my pelvis e area I would like to know if any other men have experienced this in with drawel I had my prostate checked and it came back O k it's painful it's not there all the time and if I knew it was withdrawel symptoms I couldu grin and bare it like every thing else I am 9 months of ads cold turkey and I have just had a month on antibiotics and it was terrible. In view of what I've been reading I'm hoping to get some feed back thank you all in antisepation God bless I was originally on 350 mils doxepin started in1975 through the years I tapered down to 100 mils I stayed on this dose for many years I have now been off for 7 months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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